[00:30] <ScottK> cjwatson: OK.  It seemed odd I'd get an email from LP about something I'd uploaded to Debain and not touched.
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[06:08] <xnox> cjwatson: ScottK: kdepim is the highest dependency chain in boost transition. I will check if i can fast track that branch of the transition quicker.
[10:07] <apachelogger> slangasek, ScottK: it helps not having multiple bug reports on the same issue ... bug 1172534 ... I reached the same conclusion though, for some reason ubiquity/d-i ends up creating a grub.cfg without quite splash, which may or may not be related to us overriding GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR via /etc/default/grub.d
[10:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1172534 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "plymouth boot splash does not show on an installed system" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1172534
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[13:16] <ScottK> slangasek: Would you please review the kubuntu-settings upload for raring?
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[18:29] <bdmurray> I'm adding saucy to the meta-release-development file since someone wants to upgrade badly
[18:31] <infinity> bdmurray: Works for me.
[18:32] <bdmurray> although I think there needs to be some changes to ubuntu-release-upgrader for S
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[20:21] <phillw> Hi, just a quick question, there is not an AMD64-MAC netboot iso listed (nor was there for 13.04). I'm just tidying up our minimal install page which uses those Iso's and cannot find one.
[20:23] <cjwatson> That's right.
[20:25] <cjwatson> Perhaps we ought to (roughly the same reasoning applies), but it's never been important enough to justify the work since the netboot ISO is mostly a convenience thing and real network deployments use PXE anyway.
[20:26] <phillw> cjwatson: with the inability to install from an alternate image now. I'd not lose any sleep over it :/
[20:27] <phillw> well, actually that may be wrong.. but you can no longer upgrade
[20:28] <infinity> cjwatson: Are there still master plans to purge amd64+mac with fire, or have we given up the fight?
[20:28] <cjwatson> slangasek owned that, last I checked
[20:28] <cjwatson> May have deferred it a bit
[20:28]  * infinity nods.
[20:30] <phillw> oh? is there no longer a need of amd64+mac? (me thinks 2 less sets of iso's for lubuntu to test :) )
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[20:35] <stgraber> phillw: there's currently still a need for it. infinity just asked what was the progress on making amd64 images bootable on mac which would then allow us to get rid of amd64+mac
[20:37] <phillw> stgraber: from my very limited knowledge, it is to do with EFI (the precurser UEFI). But, I know little of the tweaks needed :)
[20:38] <cjwatson> phillw: http://askubuntu.com/questions/37999/what-is-different-about-the-mac-iso-image contains a technical explanation from me
[20:39] <cjwatson> But I think a reasonably comprehensible one
[20:41] <phillw> cjwatson: I can't believe it! I was actually close in my understanding of the difference. That is pretty close to 1st for me!
[20:41] <phillw> thanks
[20:43] <cjwatson> heh, ok :)
[20:45] <phillw> I'll go and 'blow some minds' on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs#AMD64.2B-Mac which was pointing to https://answers.launchpad.net/mactel-support/+question/162838 Yours seems a much better explantion
[21:00] <phillw> cjwatson: no mad rush, but can you check you are happy with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/Why_So_Many_ISOs/#AMD64.2B-Mac and the link it points to (basically, I changed your email to your nick on this channel).
[21:02] <cjwatson> phillw: the summary wasn't really accurate - it's EFI vs. UEFI is irrelevant, the problem is that it can't cope with hybrid images.  I've rewritten that part
[21:02] <cjwatson> phillw: I would prefer that you linked to askubuntu.com directly rather than copying my answer into the wiki, please
[21:03] <phillw> okies, I'll change the link :)
[21:04] <phillw> cjwatson: I'm an old hand on ubuntu forum so I can point directly to an answer. Is this possible with askubuntu?
[21:05] <adam_g> zul,  i need to do a glanceclient upload, is sdist okay for generating the upstream tarball from master?
[21:05] <cjwatson> phillw: there's a "share" link below the answer
[21:05] <zul> adam_g:  yep
[21:06] <phillw> found it :)
[21:08] <phillw> cool, I'll know that in future (I'm a forum user :) ) Again, thanks,
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[21:47] <phillw> ScottK: are you xubuntu ?
[21:47] <ScottK> No.
[21:48] <phillw> drat, who is it now?
[21:49] <phillw> Riddell: are you xubuntu?
[21:49] <Riddell> phillw: nope
[21:49] <Riddell>  /join #xubuntu might be the way to find out
[21:50] <phillw> ahh, of all the names.... it is knome !
[21:52] <phillw> knome: I've got an incoming email to your group which seems to apply to both lubuntu and xubuntu. I'm not sure if I posting rights to your dev-mailing list so it may need approving.
[21:52] <phillw> Riddell: ScottK https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders :)
[22:06] <ScottK> phillw: We already knew we weren't Xubuntu leaders, no need to tell us.
[22:36] <knome> phillw?
[22:37] <knome> phillw, i don't see any pending mail
[22:44] <phillw> knome: it was sent to xubuntu-dev@lists.launchpad.net
[22:44] <knome> hmm, i don't think that list exists. our is xubuntu-devel@..
[22:45] <knome> phillw, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
[22:45] <phillw> knome: IDK if there is a more up to date listing, I got that from https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev
[22:46] <ScottK> He just gave you a more up to date listing.
[22:46] <knome> hmm.
[22:46] <phillw> knome: maybe update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Leaders ?
[22:46] <knome> phillw, with what?
[22:47] <phillw> ScottK: indeed he did, but I'm using the wiki area, which most people would :)
[22:47] <ScottK> No.  You're not.
[22:48] <knome> i don't actually know why the xubuntu-dev team in LP even has a mailing list
[22:48] <knome> it never occurred to me it has one, or that anybody would use it
[22:48] <phillw> knome: it is the one listed on the wiki page, so it is one I used?
[22:51] <ScottK> No.  It's not.
[22:51] <ScottK> It's listed on the launchpad page.
[22:51] <ScottK> lists.ubuntu.com is the normal place to start looking for such lists.
[22:53] <Noskcaj> ScottK, it is? to anyone new to ubuntu, whatever is on the wiki would be where you go
[22:54] <ScottK> Right, but the wiki doesn't mention the LP mailing list, so it's unrelated.
[22:58] <phillw> I follow the links on  the wiki pages, sorry if that seems a daft way to track down on of our family flavours to get in touch with. i must be old fashioned :D
[22:59] <ScottK> New, I think just clicking on links without thinking much about it is the new way.
[22:59] <ScottK> New/No
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[23:49] <slangasek> ScottK, apachelogger: kubuntu-settings... so I'm happy to accept this workaround into raring, but what's the correct long-term fix?
[23:49] <slangasek> I don't understand why update-grub gets called with wrong input at install time currently
[23:50]  * ScottK looks at apachelogger.
[23:53] <slangasek> infinity, cjwatson: yep, I still have some purty Mac hardware at home that I'm supposed to be using to iterate CD stuff on so we can ditch amd64+mac.... but I can't remember where I buried my tuits