[01:28] <LargePrime> Hello.  12.0 server on a dedicated host.  what is the best way to add virtual hosts?  link or google?
[01:38]  * Fieldy is confused
[02:45] <azazel91> can somewho tell me why i am unable to connect to localhost
[02:46] <patdk-lap> explain, connect to localhost
[02:47] <azazel91> the main index page its suppose to show a message on the screen
[02:47] <patdk-lap> then, there is atleast one of the following 3 issues
[02:48] <patdk-lap> webserver not running
[02:48] <patdk-lap> webserver not listening on localhost
[02:48] <patdk-lap> firewall blocking localhost
[02:49] <azazel91> well does restarting apache 2 count i tried it and i failed
[02:49] <patdk-lap> that doesn't count for anything
[02:49] <patdk-lap> have you check the output of netstat -atnp
[02:50] <azazel91> no whats that for
[02:55] <Calphool> Hello
[02:55] <Calphool> Does anybody know how to disable the Super key over XRDP?  It seems to be stuck on, and I don't even care about it, but it prevents me from typing the letter L when running over RDP.
[02:56] <Calphool> It also screws up the enter key
[02:56] <patdk-lap> happens for me using rdp sometimes, I normally just hit the superkey a few times to unstick it
[02:57] <Calphool> Unfortunately I remote with a thinkpad, and it doesn't even have a super key... I'm looking for a way to disable the super keys altogether.
[02:57] <patdk-lap> heh?
[02:57] <patdk-lap> I do also, and every thinkpad I have seen has it
[02:57] <patdk-lap> it's kind of required, expecially for win8
[02:58] <Calphool> Thinkpad T42 has no super key
[02:58] <Calphool> When I remote with a Mac, I have the same problem, and nothing seems to make the Super key go away there either.
[03:00] <Calphool> I've disabled every super key combination that's in the ccsm app, but apparently Super+L is something special.
[03:06] <Calphool> How is it that I always end up with the bugs nobody has ever heard of?
[03:06] <Calphool> :-)
[03:08] <patdk-lap> well, super+l in windows is lock screen
[03:09] <patdk-lap> in ubuntu, I forget exactly what it is, it changed recently though
[03:09] <Calphool> Yeah, and apparently in 12.04 as well.
[03:09] <patdk-lap> well, it changed before 12.04
[03:09] <Calphool> It locks, and then asks me to give a password
[03:09] <Calphool> ...but all I'm tying is an L
[03:10] <Calphool> There are bug reports all over the place that are similar regarding the D key, but mine is the L key.
[03:10] <Calphool> I've tried 3 different RDP clients on 3 different machines, and they all do it, so I'm pretty sure it's something wrong with xrdp.
[03:10] <Calphool> ...but I've updated xrdp, and it doesn't fix it.
[03:11] <Calphool> The D key work around is simply to unmap super-D in the keyboard applet, but that doesn't work for Super+L, because it's not in there.
[03:11] <patdk-lap> it can be unmapped
[03:11] <patdk-lap> I have remapped it before
[03:12] <Calphool> Any idea how?
[03:12] <Calphool> I've tried several things.
[03:12] <Calphool> The only thing I haven't tried is a custom ~/.Xmodmap file, because I don't seem to have one, and I'm not sure how it gets created.
[03:19] <patdk-lap> http://blog.angeloff.name/post/2012/08/08/ubuntu-12-04-super-key-not-working-in-shortcuts/
[03:25] <Calphool> Sooo... that's saying I need to accept a new gnome-settings-daemon
[03:26] <izanagisan> quick question: I selected PostgreSQL during the isntallation of UbuntuServer 12.04, and it installed Postgres 9.1. Should I not select it and manually install Postgres 9.2? I thought even if it was UbuntuServer 12.04, it would fetch the latest version of Postgres
[03:30] <sarnold> izanagisan: not generally; within each release, we try to keep things stable so there are no surprises upon upgrades
[03:31] <sarnold> izanagisan: firefox is the only exception I can think of off the top of my head, but that is a bit of a special case because it is too huge to select individual fixes for bugs _and_ upstream does not provide any support for older releases
[03:32] <Calphool> Hmmm... doesn't appear to be a gnome-settings-daemon in precise-proposed....
[03:32] <sarnold> izanagisan: there's a slightly similar story with e.g. mysql, where we ship the latest point release -- upstream does not provide support for older point releases, but at least they do support e.g. mysql 5.1, 5.5, and 5.6 for a little while simultaneously..
[03:35] <izanagisan> sarnold: thanks for the info!. But then, there should be no problem installing Postgres 9.2 manually on 12.04, right?
[03:36] <sarnold> izanagisan: I would expect that to work, yes :)
[03:52] <Calphool> hmmm... looks like maybe there was a proposed patch for this bug, but maybe it got stomped.
[03:56] <LargePrime> I have a user i added to www-data.  They cannot seem to edit files in /var/www.  Sorry for the noobish.  what did i do wrong?
[03:57] <sarnold> LargePrime: I feel that 'www-data' is misnamed. You should not have your web data actually writable by the webserver -- the webserver should really only have write access to its log files, database sockets if you need them, and a directory for users to upload things if they need to upload things
[03:57] <sarnold> LargePrime: if it were me, I'd make a new 'www' group and give _that_ group write access to the data. That way you can leave the www-data default alone, even though it is confusing.
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[04:43] <LargePrime> sarnold: that is an interesting oint
[04:43] <LargePrime> also point
[04:44] <LargePrime> crap i just blew up all my web pages
[04:57] <sarnold> LargePrime: eek
[05:37] <LargePrime> the guys over in apache saved my but
[06:13] <Daviey> adam_g: approved :)
[08:13] <Wiz_KeeD> hello everyone
[08:13] <Wiz_KeeD> I've installed lamp on ubuntu 12.04 (virtual box) with sudo apt-get  install lamp-server^ phpmyadmin
[08:13] <Wiz_KeeD> now i access the ip address an absolutely nothing happens, and the only thing in /var/log/apache2/error.log is [Mon Apr 29 09:57:51 2013] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.10-1ubuntu3.6 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations
[08:14] <Wiz_KeeD> does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
[08:42] <greppy> Wiz_KeeD: define "nothing happens"
[08:48] <sw> Hi, trying to connect to a server running VNC Server via VNC Viewer but getting the error 'VNC Server has no security types configured. Please check VNC Server configuration and try again.'. What's this mean?
[08:50] <Wiz_KeeD> greppy, the access log doesn't show anything and it simply says page not found
[10:43] <alanm_> hi al. I have a dell server with dual raid controllers and 10x4TB disks. I have configured two raid 5's with 5 disks each and am trying to use mdadm to raid them together in a raid1 mirror. both raid disks have gpt partition tables and a single maximum size partition (16TB) but no matter what I do, mdadm will only create a software raid of 690GB
[10:43] <alanm_> i read that dmraid supports petabyte size raidsets
[10:43] <alanm_> so why does this happen?
[10:44] <alanm_> sdb: Number  Start (sector)    End (sector)  Size       Code  Name 1              40     31251759070   14.6 TiB    FD00  Linux RAID
[10:44] <alanm_> sdc is the same
[10:44] <alanm_> software raid created with:
[10:45] <alanm_> mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1
[10:45] <alanm_> but results in 690gb raid :(
[10:45] <alanm_> mdadm --grow max makes no changes
[10:45] <Jeeves_> Hmm, that's odd
[10:46] <alanm_> Jeeves_: indeed
[10:47] <alanm_> it doesn't seem to be a software restriction.. according to google
[10:47] <alanm_> but i could be wrong of course
[11:09] <patdk-lap> alanm_, what ubuntu version?
[11:19] <alanm_> patdk-lap: 12.04
[11:19] <alanm_> i actually fixed it..
[11:19] <alanm_> instead of using linux_raid as the partition type, it only seems to work with normal linux partition
[11:19] <alanm_> which is odd
[11:20] <alanm_> but it's working now and using the full size of the disks
[11:20] <patdk-lap> it probably caused mdadm to use an older version
[11:21] <alanm_> could be
[12:54] <smoser> roaksoax, around ?
[12:55] <roaksoax> smoser: here
[12:55] <smoser> roaksoax, i was trying to follow : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~smoser/maas/maas-pkg-test/view/head:/maas-ephemeral-test-quantal.txt for raring to test the daily ephemeral images for promotion of raring.
[12:56] <smoser> it seems the 'node-group-interfaces' sub-command of maas-cli is gone now
[12:56] <smoser> er..i i guess i'm more specifically interested in how i do the 'node-group-interface' on line 113
[12:57] <roaksoax> smoser: huh? that cant be possible
[12:57] <roaksoax> there hasnt been any major changes that prevent that
[12:58] <smoser> hm.. i have to run. i guess its possible that broke / changed in quantal and i just didn't realize it.
[12:58] <smoser> but it seems that i can only 'register' a node-group interface via 'node-groups' subcommand
[12:58] <smoser> dont knwo how i'd upate.
[12:59] <smoser> i have to run now. i want to get through this today.
[12:59] <smoser> so i'll bug you later.
[12:59] <roaksoax> ok
[13:35] <Sharetel> Hi, as listed on the http://www.redmine.org/projects/redmine/wiki/HowTo_Install_Redmine_in_Ubuntu , I tried the option of usingWEBrick and added the file in /etc/init/redmine.conf . However, when I do service redmine start, I get this error: start: Job failed to start.
[13:44] <wilmaaaah> hi all
[14:00] <jamespage> rbasak, did you have another bit of arm goodness for mongodb 2.4.x?
[14:00] <jamespage> I'm sure you passed me another patch but I can't find it.
[14:02] <jamespage> xnox, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616014/
[14:02] <jamespage> not sure whether I'm looking at a boost 1.53 change or something gcc 4.8 ish - any ideas?
[14:12] <wilmaaaah> i have a machine with two cpus, a kvm host, 12.04 server edition. now, after a "virsh nodeinfo" only one socket is shown with six cores but all twelve cores show up in /proc/cpuinfo. any ideas on how to go at this?
[14:26] <mardraum> wilmaaaah: can you test with a newer release, ideally 13.04? libvirt is well known for fun bugs :D
[14:27] <mardraum> if that's not easy, you should probably raise a bug
[14:36] <eagles0513875> hey guys i am using amavis + spamassassin + clamav in my postfix + dovecot setup there are emails coming in on a daily basis which are blatent spam yet the server is failing according to the email header due to dkim, and its an amavis softfail.
[14:36] <eagles0513875> is there a mechanism in amavis that i can set if softfails occur automatically flag them as spam then hardfails flag as spam as well for example
[14:47] <wilmaaaah> mardraum: you think it's a bug not a config problem? upgrading is impossible, it's a production server. thanks for your opinion
[14:50] <mardraum> wilmaaaah: I think you should probably raise a bug on launchpad
[14:51] <wilmaaaah> i'll do so if i can't find anything like that on the webs
[14:55] <wilmaaaah> first i thought it had something to do with the kernel merging both sockets into one but that doesn't seem to be true, it showed
[15:16] <hallyn> zul: any reason not to push the 1.0.4 libvirt we were trying to FFE into saucy now?
[15:16] <hallyn> (suppose we could instaed go straight to 1.0.5-rc1)
[15:16] <zul> hallyn:  well 1.0.5 is out soon so why dont we wait until then?
[15:17] <hallyn> we should jsut try not to lose the work we put into making 1.0.4 work is all :)
[15:17] <hallyn> but ok, don't feel any need for busywork
[15:18] <zul> hallyn:  shouldnt be busy work just take the stuff we had for 1.0.4 and then bump it
[15:18] <hallyn> zul: no, pushing 1.0.4 might be busywork, is what i meant
[15:19] <zul> ah yeah
[15:23] <hallyn> Daviey: hey, http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/released/streams/ doesn't exist ?
[15:24] <utlemming> hallyn: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/streams/
[15:25] <Daviey> yah
[15:25] <hallyn> Daviey: that was cut-pasted from your blog, fyi
[15:26] <hallyn> utlemming: thanks
[15:28] <eodchop> Hey guys. I have a 12.10 server installation. When I go to install mailtutils, it is dragging in a new version of mysql-common that is from 13.04, forcing a system update to 13.04. Is this a bug, any way around it?
[15:29] <Daviey> hallyn: poop, thanks
[15:32] <jamespage> adam_g, any chance you can review https://code.launchpad.net/~james-page/charms/precise/quantum-gateway/cond-restart/+merge/158791
[15:50] <rbasak> jamespage: I don't remember right now. I definitely want to get this upstream, so I'll look at it again soon. Did you have a 2.4 package in progress anywhere?
[15:50] <jamespage> rbasak, lp:~james-page/ubuntu/saucy/mongodb/merge-2.4.3
[15:51] <rbasak> jamespage: thanks!
[16:00] <oz0ne> Ok, this question might be ubuntu general, but got the lastest lts server running at a hosting center, i have no physical access to it. It got hacked thru a joomla extension, they escalated it to root. And now i wonder if it exist any guide to recover it over ssh. as i still got access to root. Does it exist any good guides or is the only option to call provider tomorrow and ask them to
[16:00] <oz0ne> fresh install it and i have to use two days of configuring? Is it possible to rebuild a kernelimage, force it to boot with only the most nessescary modules. Or can i just forget about it, as my skill is way to low when i have to ask? : )
[16:06] <rbasak> Wipe it and reinstall. That's the only way you can be certain that root doesn't remain compromised.
[16:07] <rbasak> Two days of configuring? Look into configuration management so that it isn't so painful for you next time.
[16:08] <resno> heh, when it happens again
[16:10] <SpamapS> joomla is pretty much guaranteed to get hacked
[16:10] <SpamapS> never seen such a crap dev model, they open holes as fast as they close them
[16:13] <oz0ne> rbasak, i guess i will have to do that yeah. :) and resno hopefully that will be the last time they beat my server : ) (dreaming : )
[16:14] <resno> SpamapS: ya, ive one install get hacked twice now
[16:14] <resno> im not the sys admin on it, but ya
[16:14] <oz0ne> SpamapS, i am not sure if wordpress is anybetter? Duno if it should be said load, but i am done with 3rd party (welcome to my server) extension, and have started to harden it with extra layers of security.
[16:15] <resno> what are you using to secure it oz0ne ?
[16:15] <resno> im just curious
[16:15] <SpamapS> oz0ne: get a professional joomla or wordpress admin
[16:16] <resno> SpamapS: you think its that serious to secure joomla?
[16:16] <SpamapS> If you're not locking it down like crazy w/ apparmor, selinux, etc. .. you're just at the mercy of the horrible code
[16:17] <SpamapS> resno: yes, there are quite affordable joomla and wordpress hosting places that will relieve one from having to waste time and resources securing/recovering
[16:17] <resno> ah, something like that
[16:17] <SpamapS> THe whole point of having a CMS like joomla or wordpress is to *NOT* spend time on these kinds of issues, and just publish content
[16:17] <oz0ne> SpamapS and that point have failed so extremly
[16:18] <SpamapS> oz0ne: I have some friends in that business. They can help, and there are others. If you're not going to run hundreds of joomla sites, just stop, and pay somebody who will do it right.
[16:20] <oz0ne> yeah, i should maybeconsider it. but it kinda hurts some innerfeelings aswell. have 6 years of expirence with programming, but can't keep my joomla site safe :c
[16:21] <oz0ne> i could ofc blame it on to little linux expirence, but i am far from a beginner there aswell : )
[16:21] <resno> its your site oz0ne ?
[16:21] <oz0ne> 2-3 company sites close related, and ofc email etc
[16:23] <oz0ne> SpamapS ok, i guess i used the wrong tech last time, cause then was the server like a Swiss cheese, and it was mybe the reason for that i thought i couldn't do it much worse myself.
[16:23] <oz0ne> tech company
[16:24] <SpamapS> oz0ne: being a good programmer is not really related to being a good operator.
[16:24] <SpamapS> often those two jobs sit at opposite ends of the "I want change/I want stability" spectrum
[16:25] <SpamapS> oz0ne: you probably picked one that was hands-off
[16:25] <SpamapS> you want a *joomla* shop
[16:25] <SpamapS> people who know how to make it run and how to secure it.
[16:25] <oz0ne> sure, pass me a link and i will have a look at it
[16:27] <resno> SpamapS: is that to a good operator cant be a good programmer?
[16:27] <SpamapS> resno: no, they can both be great at both jobs. See: devops
[16:27] <resno> :)
[16:28] <SpamapS> The idea is to get them talking and collaborating so that the tension caused by opposing desires doesn't cause backlash.
[16:28] <oz0ne> i just feel sad, i "can" hack but i can't mange to recover from rootkits :s
[16:28] <SpamapS> oz0ne: nobody can recover from rootkits
[16:28] <resno> ya
[16:28] <SpamapS> oz0ne: this is why you have data backups and code repositories
[16:29] <resno> you never know how deep they go
[16:29] <resno> beyond bacula are there other reliable backup systems?
[16:30] <SpamapS> bacula is really heavyweight
[16:31] <resno> rsync?
[16:31] <SpamapS> rsync requires a lot of thought to get right
[16:32] <SpamapS> I've had good luck w/ bacula, but again.. its really designed for high scale
[16:32] <resno> whats high scale? thousands of servers?
[16:32] <SpamapS> more about the amount and frequency of backup
[16:33] <SpamapS> Like, I used it to backup 5 servers, but they had *millions* of files and hundreds of thousands of changes a day.
[16:33] <resno> oh heh
[16:33] <SpamapS> being able to take a path name and get it back rapidly was key
[16:33] <resno> we've got a number of servers but really limited change day to day
[17:01] <xnox> jamespage: thank's for the patch. Interesting if it's a boost change or gcc4.8ish strictness.
[17:16] <bjrohan> How do I get the "last" command to print in reverse order? Currently when I do so, it prints the most recent logins first, which is then at the top of my terminal. I would like the mst recent logins displayed at the bottom so that they are clostest to the prompt
[17:17] <sarnold> bjrohan: last | tac
[17:17] <sarnold> (note, 'tac' is 'cat' spelled backwards. get it? haha.)
[17:19] <bjrohan> sarnold: thank you, that does make sense, I was implementing it wrong by merely entering tac last
[17:35] <ak5> hey how do I change my apaches umask setting?
[17:35] <ak5> Im on 12.04
[17:36] <RoyK> apache umask?
[17:36] <ak5> RoyK: yeah, how do I do that?
[17:37] <RoyK> for what use?
[17:37] <ak5> www-data
[17:37] <RoyK> apache itself doesn't create files, php scripts or some modules may, though
[17:37] <ak5> I need group write permissions on all files created by www-data user
[17:37] <RoyK> explain what you're trying to achive
[17:38] <RoyK> how are they created?
[17:38] <ak5> RoyK: I have various php webapps
[17:38] <ak5> they create files
[17:38] <RoyK> then normally it's up to the php script to set umask
[17:38] <ak5> I need them to have g+w permissions
[17:39] <ak5> RoyK: can I set it in the php.ini or something then?
[17:39] <RoyK> no, but setting umask before starting the apache process (in the init script) should work
[17:40] <oz0ne> SpamapS may i ask you a offtopic?
[17:41] <ak5> RoyK: that seems kinda hacky - if I update initscripts it will need to be put back?
[17:41] <ak5> I will do it this way, I just want to know ^_^
[17:42] <RoyK> ak5: try to ask on #httpd
[17:42] <ak5> ty
[17:47] <ak5> RoyK: they told me about mod_umask how do I find which package this is in if at all? I tried the obvious (apt-cache search and google)
[17:47] <SpamapS> oz0ne: ?? perhaps ask, and I can tell you if its offtopic :) privmsg if you are uncomfortable sharing w/ the group
[17:48] <RoyK> ak5: perhaps there's a ppa somewhere - otherwise, you'll need to compile it
[17:48] <ak5> thanks
[17:49]  * resno lays down
[18:14] <ak5> what is this whoopsie daemon? Can I get rid of it safely?
[18:14] <sarnold> ak5: it's error reporting, see errors.ubuntu.com for a quick overview of what it does.. yes you can safely remove it
[18:19] <LargePrime> sarnold:
[18:31] <LargePrime> you gave me advise about www-data and ownership and modificatin of thoes files
[18:40] <sarnold> LargePrime: yes
[18:43] <LargePrime> are the loggs public?  i did not logg it
[18:45] <sarnold> LargePrime: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/
[20:44] <LargePrime> sarnold, can more than one group have access to a file?  ima a noob, but it seems the permissions are owner, group, and everyone.  If www-data is the group, would have 'www'  be the owner?
[20:46] <RoyK> LargePrime: you can use posix ACLs
[20:47] <RoyK> google it
[20:47] <sarnold> LargePrime: there -are- complicated ways (ACLs) that you can have multiple groups with access to a file, but if I recall what you wanted to do, it shouldn't require anything that complicated
[20:50] <LargePrime> what i was doing was trying to give users access to edit www-data files.  i added them to the group "www-data", but it seems they could not edit many of them.
[20:50] <LargePrime> then you said http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/29/%23ubuntu-server.html#t03:56
[20:51] <sarnold> LargePrime: if it were me, I think I'd have all the files owned as root, group is 'www', mode 664. then users in group 'www' can edit without any hassle, and the webserver can still read the files
[20:53] <LargePrime> but then all files can be publicly read?  is that not a problem?
[20:53] <sarnold> LargePrime: it's a website, right? the whole point is to put them where they can publicly read, no?
[20:54] <LargePrime> I am noticing it is a hapit of many web applications to put security information in web files that are not to be read by everyone
[20:55] <sarnold> your database connection credentials should indeed not be readable by all :)
[20:58] <hallyn> too many secrets!
[20:59] <sarnold> hallyn :)
[21:07] <RoyK> hallyn: :)
[21:07] <adam_g> zul, where should i be comitting packaging changes now? for saucy/havana
[21:07] <zul> adam_g:  i would just use the raring branches for now
[21:08] <adam_g> zul, yeah, i can base off that but im not going to push abck there for a saucy update
[21:08] <zul> adam_g: ack
[21:31] <adam_g> zul, if you have access to do it, can you plz nominate for raring? https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1157864
[21:53] <tom_ilsinszki> I'm using Ubuntu 12.10 and trying to install apache2-mpm-worker. But when I do install it, the package libapache2-mod-php5 gets removed and httpd stops interpreting my PHP pages. How can I install apache2-mpm-worker with PHP support?
[21:57] <sarnold> tom_ilsinszki: are you confident the worker mpm is supposed to work with in-apache PHP?
[21:58] <tom_ilsinszki> sarnold: Actually, not really. How can I find that out?
[22:05] <sarnold> tom_ilsinszki: I don't know if there is any reliable method, just a bit of googling seems like the best shot..
[22:05] <sarnold> tom_ilsinszki: you might be able to use worker with fastcgi or something..
[22:05] <tom_ilsinszki> sarnold: thanks a lot!
[22:05] <tom_ilsinszki> I'll search around for a bit...
[22:54] <BlindWolf> what is a good gui for a beginner first install of ubuntu for server
[22:55] <BlindWolf> looking to learn as well as run a server using ubuntu
[22:56] <BlindWolf> anyone alive?
[22:56] <GrueMaster> Gui for Server?
[22:56] <markthomas> BlindWolf: The server install is often done without an XFree GUI, if that's what you're asking.
[22:57] <markthomas> BlindWolf: what are you planning to do with it?
[22:57] <BlindWolf> looking for a gui to make running the server more noob friendly
[22:57] <BlindWolf> running games. mostly
[22:57] <BlindWolf> or storing for upload
[22:57] <BlindWolf> have a lan that I am trying to get away from the windows server
[22:57] <markthomas> The problem is, there isn't an overall GUI for everything.
[22:58] <GrueMaster> Webmin is a decent choice, but not recommended for internet visible (security issues).
[22:58] <GrueMaster> Won't help with game servers though.
[22:58] <markthomas> I personally find Webmin takes 3x as much expertise to get working reliably as doing certain tasks by hand.
[22:58] <BlindWolf> generally will be stand alone with brief internet connections for updating
[22:58] <markthomas> ...unless it's improved some of late.
[22:58] <BlindWolf> someone suggested one but I forgot the name
[22:58] <rbasak> !webmin
[22:59] <markthomas> ubottu: that makes sense.
[22:59]  * rbasak only knows what ubottu has to say about webmin
[22:59] <BlindWolf> something that works with apps and ubuntu
[22:59] <markthomas> BlindWolf: "apps" is too vague a target.
[22:59] <BlindWolf> lol
[22:59] <markthomas> For file sharing, study the samba config and use SWAT as a starting point, optionally
[22:59] <GrueMaster> BlindWolf: For game servers, you probably want to start with Ubuntu Desktop and just use it to host games.
[23:00] <markthomas> Also, NFS.
[23:00] <BlindWolf> actually was warned to avoid the desktop ubuntu as a aerver
[23:00] <BlindWolf> nfs?
[23:00] <BlindWolf> lol
[23:01] <GrueMaster> You'll find most of the server discussion here is around heavy duty servers (web, databases, etc).
[23:01] <rbasak> If existing charms support what you want to do, then using the juju gui connected to either a local LXC environment or an IaaS provider might be a way forward. I'm not sure if it's quite there for beginners yet though
[23:01] <GrueMaster> Why avoid desktop?  Same core.
[23:01] <BlindWolf> juju was what was suggested before ... just forgot the name
[23:01] <ScottK> By definition, an Ubuntu server doesn't have a GUI.
[23:01] <BlindWolf> no idea.
[23:01] <GrueMaster> It all really depends on what you define as a "server".
[23:01] <BlindWolf> really the last time I was into linux ... unix was unix and linix was well new
[23:02] <GrueMaster> AH
[23:02] <BlindWolf> alright will look into it some more.
[23:02] <BlindWolf> thanks
[23:02] <BlindWolf> lol yeah redhat was the fancy site lol
[23:02] <BlindWolf> got to go anyway wifes yelling to go get kid from school
[23:03] <BlindWolf> thanks
[23:03] <GrueMaster> fyi, I just came back from LinuxFest NW, and they had PostGreSQL and Minecraft servers running on Raspberry PI.
[23:03] <GrueMaster> (not ubuntu though, Fedora I believe).
[23:04] <GrueMaster> ANd they were desktop based installs.
[23:06] <ScottK> Rasberry Pi is armv6 and we're armv7, so no Pi for you Ubuntu.
[23:07] <GrueMaster> ScottK: I am VERY well aware of what Ubuntu supports on Arm.  I used to test it daily.
[23:07] <ScottK> I know.
[23:07] <ScottK> I have fond memories.
[23:08] <GrueMaster> Not sure I would use "fond" to describe mine.
[23:08] <ScottK> I can understand, but I was thinking specifically about the help you gave with Kubuntu testing.
[23:09] <SpamapS> Kind of surprised that there hasn't been a "Piv2" created wih an armv7 chip.
[23:09] <GrueMaster> Oh, that was purely voluntary (and I had to patch my butt many times after teh chewing stopped).
[23:10] <ScottK> I know (it was voluntary) and it was much appreciated.
[23:11] <GrueMaster> SpamapS: The pi is using a Broadcomm chip that they built a stockpile of after the rest of the industry moved to Cortex A8/9.
[23:12] <GrueMaster> I'd be surprised if the Pi lasted longer than 4-5 million units.
[23:12] <SpamapS> GrueMaster: yeah that all makes sense, but still surprised nobody has found a stockpile of something else.
[23:16] <GrueMaster> Actually, I am starting to hear about Cortex A9 based systems with a very low price point coming down the pike.  $45 range.