redtapeGood moro Good Sirs !   |     Today is haircut day !07:05
knightwisemorning everyone !07:20
MartijnVdS\o knightwise07:20
knightwisehey MartijnVdS07:20
knightwisehow are you today.. at work or getting ready to get wasted tonight07:21
MartijnVdSneither :)07:33
knightwiseMartijnVdS: you using 13.04 ?07:39
MartijnVdSof course :)07:39
knightwisecould you do me a favor ?07:41
knightwisecould you try to install easytag ?07:41
knightwiseI get a dependency error when I do it and was wondering if it was related to my machine07:41
MartijnVdSknightwise: Uitpakken van easytag (uit .../easytag_2.1.7-2_amd64.deb) ...07:41
MartijnVdSInstellen van easytag (2.1.7-2) ...07:41
MartijnVdSnow problems here07:41
MartijnVdSno problems, even.07:42
knightwisedid you do an apt-get install ?07:42
knightwiseok ,then I'll just have to see whats wrong with the install at home07:43
knightwisei'll look up the error code07:43
MartijnVdSknightwise: if you could pastebin the error :)07:43
knightwiseDon't have the machine handy right now (its the IBM thinkpad I have)07:43
MartijnVdSIBM? That's *old* ;)07:43
knightwiseits a lenovo thinkpad e212e07:45
knightwise11.6 inch , I307:45
MartijnVdSLenovo is newer :)07:45
knightwiseits a cool piece of kit07:45
MartijnVdSI'm waiting for intel's new 'haswell' CPUs07:45
MartijnVdSthen I'm buying a new (desktop) PC07:46
knightwisehey steve08:00
SuperMattI'm not steve :(08:01
knightwisehey siriusly (he is steve)08:02
knightwisehey SuperMatt !08:02
knightwisehow are you guys doing ? :)08:02
SuperMattmy thighs hurt08:02
knightwisebeen slapping the stairmaster silly again ?08:02
SuperMattno, I went for a run in my local park for the first time. I had no idea how hilly it is08:05
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: how long was your run?08:05
MartijnVdSrunning = teh cools :)08:05
SuperMatt1.72 miles08:05
MartijnVdSNIce distance for a first run.. first run ever?08:06
SuperMattnot first run ever08:06
* MartijnVdS did 10km yesterday08:06
SuperMattbut first in a long time08:06
MartijnVdSbut I've been doing it for 3 years now :)08:06
SuperMattwhen I say long, I mean loooooooooooooong08:06
SuperMattIf I run around the houses, it'd be nice and flat, but houses aren't as pretty as parks08:07
SuperMattmaybe I can find another, flatter park08:07
MartijnVdSI live next to a small artificial lake, it's almost exactly 4km around08:08
knightwiseooooh painfull08:08
MartijnVdSadd the golf course and football fields, and it's a round 10km (the golf course == hilly ex garbage dump :)08:08
knightwiseI did about 15 km's walking yesterday08:08
knightwiseMartijnVdS: you live in Holland.. EVERYTING is flat !08:08
MartijnVdSknightwise: not the golf course!08:08
knightwiseMartijnVdS: only because its artificial08:09
MartijnVdSknightwise: it's full of hazardous chemicals too (http://coupepolder.nl/) :)08:09
knightwiseat least its better to have a toxic golf course then to have a toxic residential area #lekkerkerk08:10
knightwise"Toxic-Golf" ... does have a nice ring to it08:11
knightwiseless boring then "regular" golf08:11
MartijnVdSknightwise: yeah, glow-in-the-dark golf balls.. we've all heard the jokes ;)08:11
MartijnVdSknightwise: a bit like disco bowling 8-)08:11
SuperMatthuh, I've found something I like about bing08:13
SuperMattthe maps have an ordinance survey overlay, so I can see elevation08:13
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: uh oh08:13
knightwiseSuperMatt: that you can turn it off ?08:14
* knightwise is on fire today 08:14
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: google has a "Terrain" option that does that, I think?08:14
SuperMattI couldn't figure out how to view that08:14
SuperMattone tick08:14
SuperMattoh wait, you can't turn it on in satelite mode08:14
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: it works in satellite mode in the Google Earth app :)08:15
SuperMatthmmm, google maps doesn't give me as much detail as the bing ordiance survey does08:16
knightwiseNah : still can"t see my house properly08:20
MartijnVdSknightwise: is it too small to be resolved? ;)08:20
knightwiseMartijnVdS: yes08:23
SuperMattso godaddy have supermatt.com "up for acution." I would like to buy that, except godaddy expect me to pay for an "auction account" before I can place any kind of bid08:23
knightwiseand the shitty thing about having an underground batcave is that its hard to find on streetview too08:23
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: also, it's godaddy.. :(08:24
SuperMattI wonder if they'll just give up the domain when the action ends08:25
MartijnVdSknightwise: they have street view bicycles now08:25
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: supermatt.pro? ;)08:25
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: supermatt.eu? ;)08:25
SuperMattI already got supermatt.net08:25
SuperMattwould be nice to have the .com08:25
knightwisewe need to create a country first08:27
MartijnVdSsuperm.at ?08:27
MartijnVdSthat country already exists..08:27
knightwiseMartijnVdS: Do what you dutch do best : Throw some sand in the sea, turn it into an island and call it matadonia or smething08:27
MartijnVdSknightwise: we have the "Zandmotor"08:27
MartijnVdSknightwise: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zandmotor08:28
JamesTaitGood morning all, and happy International Dance Day! *jazz hands*08:43
MartijnVdS*\\o o//* *\o/*08:44
JamesTaitOoh, pom-poms!08:45
MooDoohello all08:49
MartijnVdShi MooDoo08:49
brobostigongood morning everyone,08:54
MooDoomorning brobostigon09:26
brobostigonmorning MooDoo09:26
mungbeanhow do i disable the facebook birthday announements appearing on my phone as an alert?09:32
mungbeanquite in here.09:57
mungbeananyone want a job?09:59
MooDoomungbean: tea boy?10:00
mungbeanmixture of linux and windows infrastructure software10:01
mungbeanthought there might be some in here out of work or soon to be10:01
MooDoomungbean: curiosity button pressed, got a url for the job spec?10:01
davmor2Morning all10:03
MooDoodavmor2: hullo matey10:03
mungbeanMooDoo: ^10:03
davmor2MooDoo: me owld mucka how am ya10:04
MooDoodavmor2: crackin ta10:04
MooDoomungbean: looks good, want me to share it out for ya?10:05
mungbeani rec it as a step up10:05
mungbeanrather than sideways step10:05
MooDooyeah looks good10:06
* TheOpenSourcerer just upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04 at the office. Took about 20mins in total with one reboot. You can't do that with Windows ;-)10:31
TheOpenSourcererOne annoying feature - missing tree view in nautilus. Who at gnome thought that was a good idea should be shot.10:33
TheOpenSourcererWeird that multiple desktops were turned off by default.10:37
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: possibly the same person who thought getting rid of the time last modified was a good idea too :)10:37
TheOpenSourcererDidn't like the fact that UbuntuOne got re-installed even though my system 12.10 was purged of it.10:37
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: that's cause it is install by Ubuntu Desktop which is what an upgrade does10:38
TheOpenSourcererfir enough but it *should* recognise that I had removed it and didn't want it back again.10:39
Nafalloapt-config dump | grep Rec <-- handy ;-)10:41
Myrttimultidesktop was my favourite feature down at Debian potato and Fedora 12. It's a shame it can be confusing to noobs.10:41
Nafallonot sure if the release-upgrader cares, but still...10:41
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: basically what it does is disable 3rd party repos, change quantal to raring in the repos that are left and then run apt-get install x-desktop package and update any others that you have installed, it's not actually smart enough to figure out if you removed any default apps.10:42
davmor2TheOpenSourcerer: at least that was my understanding of it :)10:43
TheOpenSourcererIt's a minor thing. The fact I went fromk 12.10 to 13.04 in about 20 mins was rather amazing.10:43
TheOpenSourcererWe have fast broadband and I have an ssd :-D10:44
MooDoohmmmm ssd10:47
brobostigonis there an android messenger client, that does that bonjour messaging thing, empathy does? i am hitting a dead end.10:47
MyrttiI was going to link to a funny blog post about a game development simulation game, but they're updating their website now.10:50
Myrttiooh, never heard of http://coralcdn.org/ before11:05
mgdmIt's quite neat, been around for a while11:06
Myrttithere we go, now I can link the page http://www.greenheartgames.com.nyud.net/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-pirates-play-a-game-development-simulator-and-then-go-bankrupt-because-of-piracy/11:09
Myrttithey've got Linux version of the game too it seems11:10
redtapeOT | Looks like I'm heading to the UK next week .. Lanc.s to be specific .. Grand-Mama past away last night .. 92 gawd bless her .. Attended a prayer meeting this morning for the first time in years.. feel ok .. Anyway, I'm in the UK near Manchester next week if anyone wants a coffee .. be nice to change the topic of the crossing for an hour or two .. May even look up the local LUG .. dunno yet.11:47
redtapeHi popey, hows the US going ?12:32
popeygood so far12:33
redtapeI hope the sun comes out for you .. :D12:40
popeyit was lovely and sunny yesterday, forecast is sun all week12:41
popeynot that I will see it12:41
popeyMyrtti: that was an interesting and depressing read12:50
popeyrather cunning12:50
shrika PSA: ditch the GNOME3 ppa before upgrading to 13.04. It messes things up something fierece.14:17
Darael-webchatI have an... interesting one here.14:27
Darael-webchatGot a new laptop.  It supports UEFI.  It will happily boot by UEFI from removable media, but refuses to recognise anything installed on the hard drive.14:28
Darael-webchat(still loads fine if I install things in BIOS mode)14:28
directhexDarael-webchat, is that with secure boot disabled?14:29
Darael-webchatYup.  First thing I checked.14:29
directhexare you booted from removable media right now?14:29
Darael-webchatNope; using the W7 from the hard drive it came with in BIOS mode.14:30
directhex32 or 64-bit windows?14:31
Darael-webchatBut it's definitely installed in BIOS mode; the two partitions on this HDD are NTFS, so neither can possibly be an EFI boot partition.14:32
directhexyou're remarkably well informed on this topic. this is very refreshing, i must say14:33
directhexso you can't boot windows, if you install it in uefi mode?14:34
Darael-webchatI can't even install it in uefi mode; the CD freezes at the Windows logo in uefi mode.14:34
Darael-webchatSearched around a bit, and it seems that's commonly solved by changing the SATA mode to IDE, but all that does is actually get me to the logo before the freeze, instead of during the four-balls animation.14:35
Darael-webchatUbuntu CD boots and installs in uefi mode fine, though.14:35
Darael-webchatJust won't then recognise it as a bootable HDD.14:36
davmor2QUESTION: Is there a way to find out when a package got replaced? for example when libudev0 got replaced by libudev114:36
Darael-webchatdavmor2: Short of grepping /var/log/apt/history.log (or something very much like that)?14:36
Darael-webchatThe only hint I have is that enabling uefi boot is only available after one chooses "Windows 8" instead of "Others" in an option called "Operating System" in the BIOS.  Which might imply that there's some kind of irritating lock-in thing that'll only allow W8 in uefi mode.14:40
directhexdavmor2, locally or on the server?14:40
directhexDarael-webchat, windows 7 in uefi mode requires BIOS-based access to the video card firmware. i couldn't install windows 7 as UEFI on this thinkpad unless i had "CSM" enabled in the BIOS. can you check for a similar setting? otherwise it just froze on the windows logo.14:41
davmor2directhex: more on the whole,  I thought packages.ubuntu.com might hold some insight but no it's not that useful apparently :)14:41
directhexurgh, "in the bios"14:41
* directhex kills self14:41
Darael-webchatThe thing is, what else do we call it?14:41
Darael-webchatWe've got so used to calling the firmware configurator "the BIOS"...14:42
davmor2directhex: I'm going to try Darael-webchat example but I'm not sure if I've done a fresh install for testing something else or not in the meantime :)14:42
directhexDarael-webchat, "firmware setup" is the technical name14:43
Darael-webchatdirecthex: I don't seem to have a "CSM" setting.  I saw that when I was looking around, and even that NVidia cards specifically could be a problem, but I don't have the option to disable it.14:43
Darael-webchatdirecthex: True.  Time to retrain our brains...14:43
Darael-webchatOr enable it, rather.14:43
Darael-webchatWell, I can double-check.  Back momentarily.14:44
directhexdavmor2, udev is an interesting case. libudev0 is from "udev" and libudev1 is from "systemd", so the change happened when modern systemd was uploaded, post-udev-merge14:44
davmor2directhex: yeah14:47
Daraeldirecthex: Same Darael, now from an Ubuntu live session.  Simply because I like it more.14:54
DaraelNo such setting.14:54
directhexit might not be there. which would be user hostile, but not out of spec14:54
Darael...irssi, now was not a good time to segfault.14:55
DaraelAnyway, as I was saying, there's no option to disable the discrete card, either.  Which makes it all the more annoying that I couldn't get a machine without Optimus.14:55
DaraelI *swear* irssi used to be more stable than this.14:57
MartijnVdSirssi is unstable?!14:57
DaraelMartijnVdS: Mine is.  Segfaults all over the place.  It's *probably* irssi-plugin-xmpp's fault.14:57
MartijnVdSplugins make it less stable, yes14:57
DaraelShould really move to bitlbee at some point.14:58
directhex<directhex> hmph14:59
directhex<directhex> it might not be there. which would be user hostile, but not out of spec14:59
DaraelI got the first of those.14:59
DaraelAnd yeah, that was my conclusion.14:59
directhexcan you run "efibootmgr" on your live session?14:59
MyrttiDarael: that's my experience with irssi - it's stable as a rock until you start messing with it.15:00
directhex(assuming your live session is a uefi live session)15:00
Daraeldirecthex: After apt-get installing it, it exits immediately.15:01
directhexas root15:01
DaraelA live session won't mind if I hotplug drives.15:01
DaraelI should probably do that with the drive that has an EFI boot partition on it.15:01
DaraelYup, that runs happily enough.15:02
directhexpastebin the output15:06
SuperMattwhat's the name of the site that has lots of ubuntu related assets on it?15:07
popeyhttp://design.ubuntu.com/ ?15:08
SuperMattI'm certain the one I'm thinking of isn't official15:08
directhexDarael, is that output what you expect? i.e. just one entry for windows, no entry for ubuntu?15:08
SuperMattit has things like impress templates, etc15:09
popeyhttp://spreadubuntu.org/ ?15:09
SuperMattthat's it!15:09
Daraeldirecthex: No!  This drive shouldn't have anything Windows-related on it.  'scuse me.  I did, after all, boot with a different drive in it.  Going to see if I've confused it.15:10
directhexDarael, efibootmgr is retrieving values from your efi variable store, not your efi boot partition15:10
directhexDarael, use the -v flag15:11
directhexDarael, it should show you what it thinks is the actual corresponding efi application in a boot partition15:11
directhexBoot001A* Windows Boot ManagerHD(1,800,32000,a5537a27-f981-47a4-b01c-bcf40f81cfef)File(\EFI\Microsoft\Boot\bootmgfw.efi)WINDOWS.........x...B.C.D.O.B.J.E.C.T.=.{.9.d.e.a.8.6.2.c.-.5.c.d.d.-.4.e.7.0.-.a.c.c.1.-.f.3.2.b.3.4.4.d.}...a................15:11
DaraelHaving rebooted, it's looking *really* confused.  It's got an entry for the Windows Boot Manager (though the only Windows-related present is the DVD) and *two* entries each for the live thumb drive and the DVD drive.15:14
Daraelhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5616205/ (without -v) and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616208/ (with -v)15:15
DaraelI can't make head nor tail of the latter.15:15
directhexthat windows entry looks incomplete, since it isn't referring to a specific bootmgfw.efi15:16
DaraelFrankly there shouldn't be one at all:  This box has never *had* a uefi Windows install.15:18
directhexyeah, it's weird15:19
directhexyou can delete the entry with -B Boot000015:19
directhexi think15:20
Darael-Bb 0000, actually, but yes.15:20
DaraelWhich is interesting, because it won't accept setting the boot order, or setting BootNext.15:21
DaraelFails without error message.15:21
MartijnVdSyay firmware!15:21
DaraelAt least adding and deleting entries worked.15:21
DaraelWell, I haven't tried adding.15:21
directhexsounds like a garbage firmware implementation tbh :/15:21
DaraelBut if deleting works one would *hope* adding would, too.15:22
DaraelYeah, that's the conclusion I've been reaching.15:22
directhexubuntu installer should have added...15:22
DaraelWell, EFI/ubuntu/grubx64.efi is at least *present* on the EFI boot partition.15:23
directhexso... let's see if we can work out the format for adding15:24
directhexBoot0018* ubuntuHD(1,800,32000,a5537a27-f981-47a4-b01c-bcf40f81cfef)File(\EFI\ubuntu\grubx64.efi)15:24
directhexoh, efibootmgr automates it15:25
directhexit should just do it, if /boot/efi is mounted, and you call "efibootmgr -c"15:25
DaraelNope.  Fails silently.15:26
directhexoh. good.15:26
directhexno wonder the ubuntu installer failed.15:26
directhexdumb question: is there an updated FW on the laptop manufacturer's site?15:26
DaraelHad a look, but no luck.15:27
DaraelWell, yes and no.15:27
DaraelThere are two things in the firmware package.  One is the BIOS, which is the same as the version installed.15:28
DaraelOne is some other thing, listed in the setup as "KBC/EC Firmware", which is supplied at version 1.02.04 but installed at
DaraelBut I don't trust that, because AFAICT it's just what's on some Russian website, whereas Clevo provide a whole bunch of downloads, all of which are drivers for W7 or W8.15:31
Darael*Must* find a way to stop getting Clevo rebrands.15:32
mungbeangalaxy tab 3 announced15:34
DaraelRight.  So, with no firmware updates I trust, I guess it's time to give up and just install everything in BIOS mode.15:36
DaraelNever mind.15:36
directhexDarael, well done for giving it a proper go without screaming conspiracy15:38
directhexsrsly though, shipping a broken uefi is more expensive than shipping a working one, since it means you looked at intel's mit-licensed implementation which works fine and decided "nope, let's not use that, let's do it ourselves instead. i'm sure we're smarter than intel's army of engineers and OSS contributors"15:41
DaraelYup.  Somewhat irritating.15:43
directhexlooks like american megatrends' uefi implementation, "aptio", is based on tianocore15:47
directhexalso phoenix securecore15:47
directhexso who is writing bad firmware??!15:48
ali1234tianocore is itself broken15:48
ali1234so basically everyone15:49
ali1234sara_: please try this kernel http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/15:49
DaraelThe last laptop I had also had an AM firmware, as I recall.  And the UEFI *worked*, except for the minor detail that the screen backlight wouldn't come on in UEFI mode.15:50
directhexali1234, but it's common broken. meaning tianocore workarounds should be global workarounds15:50
directhexDarael, seems like vendor-specific fuckuppery there15:51
directhexer, ill chosen words, maybe15:51
Daraeldirecthex: Yeah, that was my guess.  Still an interesting one.15:51
directhexgetting this thinkpad going with uefi was easy(*)15:51
sara_ali1234, how to do that safely?17:01
ali1234download the three files and then install them with dpkg -i or by just double clicking17:02
ali1234linux-headers then linux-image then linux-image-extras17:02
ali1234then reboot17:02
ali1234after reboot run dmesg | less17:03
ali1234the third line should contain "root@al-raring32" if you are running this kernel17:04
ali1234then run hciconfig -a17:04
sara_ali1234,  step by step please17:04
sara_no assumptions (except that i dont know what dpkg  is17:04
ali1234just download the files17:05
ali1234then double click on each one17:05
ali1234and follow the instructions17:05
sara_:) oh crap they are .deb     (i just woke up, i am a bit slow, i understand how to use .deb17:07
celestehhi, i'm trying to write a script that determines if a particular audio device is  attached to my computer.  I can find that via aplay -l |grep and store that in variable, but I'm doing something wrong with the if statement...17:08
directhexali1234, good show, btw. compiling a kernel for someone is a big jump in helping someone outness17:08
sara_ali1234, is it nessucary to boot into a different kernal as it's saying i need to remove 3 packages  and to reinstall the packages17:11
sara_directhex, if i had a job i'd send ali1234  flowers17:12
sara_or chocolate17:13
sara_or something17:13
sara_thats how greatful i am17:13
sara_ali1234, http://dug.im/19bb617:19
sara_is this normal?17:19
ali1234sara_: hmm. no17:20
ali1234use dpkg instead17:20
ali1234sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb17:21
ali1234and the same for the others17:21
sara_or drag and drop the packages onto a terminal :D17:23
ali1234yes, i suppose that would work17:24
ali1234it should say something about "unpacking replacement"17:25
sara_discovered that by accident. Saved my litterally years of my life17:25
sara_i will paste the output then reboot17:25
sara_http://paste.ubuntu.com/5616598/ i accidentally pressed ctrl +c but i think it corrected it17:27
ali1234ah you attempted to install them in the wrong order17:27
ali1234yeah that should be ok... hopefully17:28
sara_if not?17:28
ali1234have a livecd handy17:29
sara_vi ses17:31
saraali1234,  "no adaptor found" when i try to enable it17:36
ali1234pastebin dmesg and hciconfig -a17:36
saraboth posted in the same output17:39
ali1234ok, hang on, building another kernel17:43
sarai so owe you chocolate17:44
mungbeanoooh precise-proposed now has the gpu hang fix18:49
Laneytest it and report back on the bug!18:50
mungbeanits my work pc.. gonna do 1st thiung :)18:50
ali1234what's the name of the bot to search freenode channels?19:28
ali1234answer: alis19:29
ali1234sara: new kernel: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/2/19:45
ali1234this still won't work but it will put lots of debugging into dmesg19:45
saraali1234, like this  sudo apt-get install '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-image-extra-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb' '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-image-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb' '/home/sara/Downloads/linux-headers-3.8.0-19-generic_3.8.0-19.29_i386.deb'19:53
saraor different order?19:53
ali1234you should install linux-image-extra last19:53
dwatkinsall this awesomeness reminds me I've never actually compiled a Linux kernel - is there a good tutorial on how to do it? Last time I tried, I appeared to be missing some essential config files, iirc...19:55
sarahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5617107/ same nomatter where i put it @ ali123419:57
ali1234it has to be in the current directory19:58
ali1234dwatkins: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile19:59
ali1234it's really out of date and doesn't work properly though19:59
dwatkinshmm, ok thanks - will have a look anyway19:59
sarano use, same issue20:00
ali1234also it takes about 2 hours20:00
ali1234whether it works or not20:00
ali1234sara: wait you're supposed to use dpkg20:01
shaunoseriously?  it used to take me 10 minutes or so20:01
ali1234shauno: full ubuntu kernel builds every module20:01
shaunoah.  that used to be half the point of building it20:02
dwatkinsthat it was quick, shauno?20:02
shaunoto be able to remove everything you haven't heard of20:03
dwatkinsah right20:03
dwatkinsI was just thinking it might be useful as a learning experience, or if I have hardware which doesn't work, but can be patched etc.20:04
shaunoit's been quite a while since I've messed with this, but it used to be that if you wrote a kernel straight to a floppy, it'd end up bootable.  not very portable, since things like root= can't be changed without a bootloader (it defaults to the current root when it was built)20:04
shaunobut handy in a crunch20:04
dwatkinsahhh, floppy disks, I remember the days...20:05
dwatkinsiirc the first slackware distro I used needed two floppies20:05
shaunothe first one I used needed a tonne (3.3), but you only really needed the 7 or 8 'A' disks20:06
shaunobut yeah.  nostalgia aside, there used to be fairly reasonable reasons for taking out anything you didn't need.  whether for disk or ram constraints.  now hardware's practically free, convenience rules20:06
sarahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5617130/ AlanBell20:07
dwatkinsyeah, and systems are more likely to have 32GB of RAM than 32MB of it, well almost.20:07
shaunoindeed.  I'm trying to scrape together 64GB for my current build.  my first linux box had 3MB.  priorities have changed :)20:08
mungbeanhoarders programme inspires me to tidy up20:08
mungbeanchannel 420:08
shaunobut I'll keep quiet about that, else I'll just end up griping about DDR2 prices when others are trying to be useful :/20:08
dwatkinsI just upgraded my main laptop to 8GB, it's nearly 3 years old and going strong, but I'll probably have to bite the bullet and get an i7 someday soon20:08
mungbeanali1234: how to use alis?20:08
ali1234 /msg alis help20:09
sarahttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5617141/ ali123420:14
ali1234well that's interesting20:14
ali1234ok i need to build another kernel it looks like20:15
saradmesg | less20:15
ali1234yeah. it didn't do anything20:16
* sara goes to make food20:16
brobostigontheres dedication for you.20:17
dwatkinsyeah, much respect to ali1234 for continuing to compile kernels20:19
saradwatkins, they are akin with wonderwoman or batman :)20:31
sarabrobostigon, i would have given up at kernal20:33
brobostigonsara: is it a kernel patch, that allows for your individual hardware, that isnt in standard kernel?20:33
saraits a widely used bt card20:34
sarak53u asus20:35
* dwatkins thought ali1234 was compiling the entire kernel, not just providing patches20:36
dwatkinsthen again, it's presumably a case of applying patches -yo- the kernel20:36
brobostigonthats what i thought,20:36
dwatkinsah ok sorry20:37
brobostigondwatkins: i maybe wrong though.20:37
* popey wonders why he got an SMS telling me Philip Taylor has photos to show you on Path!23:08
popeywith a url I'm not about to click on23:08
bigcalmWho and what?23:09
popeywell, "Philip Taylor" might be brobostigon or it might be a random name23:11
popeybut this sms came from a number I have never seen, and gives me a path.com/i/xxxxxx url23:11
popeyso I assume brobostigon signed up to it and somehow had my mobile number23:11
brobostigonpopey: sorry, a new piece of software dud sonething unexpected, sorry.23:12
popeyok, so i know where it came from now, thanks brobostigon23:13
brobostigonpopey: my apologies, several people have told me it did this in the last hour, so i have nuked my account with path to avoid more problems.23:15
brobostigonbest thing to do.23:16
bigcalmI've been catching up on the new shorter uupc eps. Was listening to a recentish one where popey says "14th, 15th & 16th". At the moment of saying "16th", my system froze and I had popey saying "eenth" over and over and over again23:17
brobostigonit isnt worth it, if it hassles people like that.23:17
bigcalmpopey: as much as I love your voice, that was a little disturbing after a while23:17
shaunobigcalm: sounds like that deserves a refund :)23:17
bigcalmshauno: you get what you pay for ;)23:17
shaunoI have a fun problem with my laptop where it just hangs hard.  doesn't seem to matter what OS it's running at the time.  stops dead, parks disks, and then beeps very very loudly.  louder than I had any idea these speakers were capable of23:19
shaunoI think I'd rather have popey stuttering23:19
bigcalmSleep mode23:26

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