| ahoneybun | So what will the new image be called? saucy? | 00:23 |
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| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk) | 10:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New] | 10:32 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ping | 10:50 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger: Riddell Good evening | 10:51 |
| apachelogger | smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Greeting_Time | 10:54 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger: Sorry, I'm a bit factual:P | 10:56 |
| yofel | well, good morning folks for that matter ^^ | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | yo fel | 10:57 |
| smartboyhw | Good afternoon yofel (LOL) | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | trololo :P | 10:57 |
| apachelogger | so | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | we haz problem | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | appropriate-greeting-according-to-your-timezone | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: yes, X doesn't start | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | on N10 | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | anyone knows of the active? | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | no idea why | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | cuz | 10:58 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-settings-desktop needs to pre-depend grub | 10:58 |
| * smartboyhw does not run Active on Nexus 10 or on whatever hardware | 10:58 | |
| apachelogger | but since active probably uses -desktop that sounds le fishy | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | so perhaps we need kubuntu-settings-grub | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | so kubuntu-settings-desktop suggests kubuntu-settings-grub pre-depends grub-pc | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | desktop seed recommends kubuntu-settings-grub | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | also that way a user may use something other than grub | 10:59 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK, etc: ^ if you feel like giving an opinion on a possible kubuntu-settings-grub | 11:06 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1174713] systemsettings package contains random plunder @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174713 (by Harald Sitter) | 11:32 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174713 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "systemsettings package contains random plunder" [Low,Triaged] | 11:32 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: just read your email, what happens when there's a genuine bug in KWin | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | and it was not caught in the RC/Beta | 11:47 |
| mgraesslin | bad luck | 11:47 |
| mgraesslin | given the numbers I surrender | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | but then what if it's something that can be fixed in the point releases :S | 11:47 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 11:47 |
| mgraesslin | if I had any hope in it getting better I would not suggest something like that | 11:48 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: and these reports don't come in when a Fedora release happens? | 11:51 |
| shadeslayer | or a SUSE release? | 11:51 |
| mgraesslin | shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/GLnenbaughd | 11:52 |
| shadeslayer | ah yes, saw that | 11:52 |
| shadeslayer | maybe time to talk to the X people? | 11:52 |
| mgraesslin | shadeslayer: to make it clear: this is not a Kubuntu problem, it's a pure Ubuntu problem | 11:52 |
| shadeslayer | *nod* | 11:52 |
| mgraesslin | tried it | 11:52 |
| shadeslayer | oh? | 11:52 |
| mgraesslin | UDS in Florida we had a complete session | 11:53 |
| shadeslayer | what was the conclusion? | 11:53 |
| mgraesslin | shadeslayer: interested in reading the rant I wrote yesterday and which is currently in my draft? | 11:53 |
| shadeslayer | and look on the bright side, Canonical is going to withdraw from fiddling with X soonish :P | 11:53 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: sure | 11:53 |
| * shadeslayer rages at samsung | 11:54 | |
| mgraesslin | I don't exactly remember the outcome, but it was something like "if they need to change mesa for Compiz, they will do it" | 11:55 |
| ScottK | mgraesslin: BTW, you're point about 4.1/4.2 graphical effects is wrong. Fedora had those patches too. | 11:55 |
| mgraesslin | ScottK: that's mentioned | 11:55 |
| mgraesslin | (to be fair: that problem was also present in Fedora) | 11:56 |
| ScottK | "Remember in 4.1/4.2 times the graphical artefacts? Only Ubuntu, because they had patches to X. I could go on so for release and release. It's always Ubuntu, always, always." | 11:56 |
| mgraesslin | oh that's in the google plus posting | 11:57 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 11:57 |
| mgraesslin | I realize I pasted the blog post in a query to shadeslayer, there I mention the problem but also write that it's in Fedora | 11:57 |
| mgraesslin | s/is/was | 11:57 |
| shadeslayer | mgraesslin: IMHO you should blog that pastebin | 11:59 |
| * mgraesslin is unsure about it | 12:01 | |
| Riddell | apachelogger: pong? | 12:29 |
| yofel | Riddell: how about using the pad for the merge notes instead of trello? There we can at least just c&p the whole packagelist to make sure we don't forget something | 12:52 |
| yofel | apachelogger: what's the problem with grub again? it being pulled into the active images? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | yofel: yeah set that up if you think it's better | 12:54 |
| BluesKaj | Hi all | 14:17 |
| Riddell | afternoon | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Just thought of it, the KC election nominations are closing today \o/ | 14:26 |
| smartboyhw | Ah not yet, tomorrow;P | 14:27 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: going to stand? | 14:33 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: No. The problem is that I don't know which three I should vote out of the four (or rather, who not to vote grr) | 14:41 |
| * smartboyhw requests a live forum:P | 14:41 | |
| smartboyhw | I mean, it's so difficult to choose | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | All of them are KDE e.v. Members | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | All of them have a very substantial role in Kubuntu and KDE | 14:43 |
| smartboyhw | Grr | 14:43 |
| Riddell | try for a balance of skills | 14:46 |
| Riddell | and for who will stay around longest :) | 14:47 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Privatr message? | 14:50 |
| smartboyhw | s/Privatr/Private/ | 14:50 |
| kubotu | smartboyhw meant: "Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Private message?" | 14:50 |
| Riddell | ok | 14:52 |
| shadeslayer | jono: have a minute? | 15:28 |
| jono | shadeslayer, sure | 15:28 |
| shadeslayer | jono: a couple of things from my interaction with some people over a linux mailing list in my area, they're a bit disappointed that Ubuntu.com doesn't feature links to debian.org on the homepage | 15:29 |
| shadeslayer | for eg. kubuntu.org features that right on the homepage, but no such links on ubuntu.com | 15:29 |
| jono | shadeslayer, we haven't had a link on there for quite some time | 15:30 |
| jono | not on the front page | 15:30 |
| jono | the target demographic of ubuntu.com are folks who want to learn about the functional benefits of ubuntu, so they are unlikely to go to the Debian homepage | 15:30 |
| jono | so the link is better served on the community pages | 15:31 |
| jono | which is what we are working on right now | 15:31 |
| jono | shadeslayer, I have asked dholbach to deliver community.ubuntu.com (content) next month | 15:32 |
| shadeslayer | I see, the second point that I've realized is, I couldn't find a link where the term 'ubuntu' was properly defined in terms of the Community / Product | 15:32 |
| smartboyhw_ | jono: Where's dholbach BTW? Can't see him in IRC | 15:32 |
| jono | smartboyhw_, we are at a sprint, so he is dipping in and out of IRC | 15:33 |
| shadeslayer | for me the Ubuntu project represents the whole slew of flavors | 15:33 |
| jono | shadeslayer, you can see http://www.ubuntu.com/community but tbh, it isnt very good | 15:33 |
| jono | this is why we are redeveloping the community pagtes | 15:33 |
| jono | they just dont serve out community very well | 15:33 |
| jono | so we are working on a truly dedicated community site | 15:33 |
| smartboyhw_ | shadeslayer: We have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite | 15:33 |
| jono | it took a while as a bunch of people signed up to work on it and then never delivered their work | 15:33 |
| shadeslayer | except, I couldn't find a single page where this was clearly defined so I could point someone to it | 15:34 |
| jono | shadeslayer, as I say, we are working on this | 15:34 |
| smartboyhw_ | jono: Yeah sure I think we got most of them OK now :P | 15:34 |
| jono | but ubuntu.com/community provides lots of info | 15:34 |
| shadeslayer | okay, thanks for clarifying that | 15:34 |
| jono | shadeslayer, np | 15:34 |
| yofel | lol, quote of the day "<svuorela> yay. 0~. positive, but less than zero" | 16:11 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 16:12 |
| * shadeslayer is waiting for live build to finish making a rootfs tarball | 16:12 | |
| * shadeslayer is learning about obscure temperature scales | 16:12 | |
| genii-around | Does Kubuntu installer use some different UEFI method than the regular Ubuntu ? user "roasted" in #k apparently can install Ubuntu but not Kubuntu | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | genii-around: uh yeah, I had one report of this as well | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | please ask him to report a bug with full logs | 16:13 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: ^^ | 16:13 |
| xnox | genii-around: kubuntu does not have complete UEFI support, for UEFI support please install Ubuntu & then install kubuntu-desktop & remove ubuntu-desktop meta-packages to use kubuntu / KDE by default. | 16:15 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: whats missing | 16:16 |
| genii-around | xnox: This has been suggested to them already, actually. | 16:16 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: seeding correct packages on the cd, and twiddling with cdimage to generate uefi/sb images.... | 16:16 |
| xnox | and testing | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | aha | 16:16 |
| shadeslayer | xnox: could you possibly spin up saucy images with those fixes? | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | then we can test next week | 16:17 |
| xnox | shadeslayer: no, i can't. i don't know how to do that and don't have time to work on kubuntu. | 16:17 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 16:18 |
| xnox | it's a big chunk of work. | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | oh, like the way you said it, I thought it was trivial to do :P | 16:18 |
| shadeslayer | FYI I'm using the ARM boxes for a bit | 17:01 |
| shadeslayer | to build an image for the Nexus 10 | 17:02 |
| shadeslayer | :S | 17:03 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: kubuntu-desktop still pulling in zenity | 17:03 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk) | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 18:44 |
| Laney | Hi | 18:49 |
| Laney | I'd like to upload user-manager and polkit-qt-1 to add consolekit depends as it uses the dbus interface. Any objections? (The long term fix is to use logind too) | 18:49 |
| Laney | polkit-qt-1 appears to be in sync though, so if someone has commit to pkg-kde :-) | 18:50 |
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| yofel | Laney: sounds good for now if they'll stop working without it | 19:07 |
| * yofel added a todo item for logind | 19:09 | |
| Laney | great | 19:09 |
| Laney | the porting isn't too hard | 19:09 |
| Laney | yofel: can you commit to polkit-qt-1 @ debian? | 19:09 |
| yofel | Laney: I think I can..., but as I don't do much there usually I'll talk to the debian folks first. I can't upload it anyway | 19:17 |
| Laney | yofel: right, but it's good to have it at least committed in there so it's not an ubuntu delta forever | 19:17 |
| yofel | right | 19:17 |
| Laney | uploading isn't so urgent; debian isn't doing this transition right now anyway | 19:18 |
| Laney | Riddell: can I fix native-package-with-dash-version in user-manager at the same time? Do you have a VCS for it? | 19:23 |
| yofel | Riddell: I updated the trello merge todo list with the full list of packages. It's worth a try at least | 19:45 |
| * yofel is reasonably certain that he didn't miss anything | 19:48 | |
| * shadeslayer grumbles | 19:49 | |
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| ScottK | Riddell, ahoneybun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/20130430.1/ | 20:07 |
| Laney | yofel: both uploaded | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: whatwhy? | 21:35 |
| * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest | 21:35 | |
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| bmw | 13.04 recent upgrade, Dolphin file manager just freezes. Is this a known bug? | 21:49 |
| ScottK | bmw: It's working for me. I'd check and see if there's not a virtuoso-t process eating all your CPU. | 21:54 |
| bmw | Nope. CPU is very quiet. I | 21:56 |
| bmw | I've rebooted the machine but no difference | 21:56 |
| ScottK | amd64 or i386? | 21:56 |
| bmw | amd64 | 21:57 |
| ScottK | I'm on i386. | 21:57 |
| ScottK | Any amd64 raring dolphin users out there? | 21:57 |
| genii-around | dolphin works fine here. | 21:58 |
| ScottK | bmw: ^^^ it appears not to be a general problem. | 21:59 |
| ScottK | Not sure what to suggest. Maybe ask in #kde. | 21:59 |
| bmw | Yuck! Time to troubleshoot. #kde, good suggestion. Thanks. | 21:59 |
| sheytan | apachelogger: ping | 22:15 |
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