ahoneybunSo what will the new image be called? saucy?00:23
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)10:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,New]10:32
apacheloggerRiddell: ping10:50
smartboyhwapachelogger: Riddell Good evening10:51
apacheloggersmartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Greeting_Time10:54
smartboyhwapachelogger: Sorry, I'm a bit factual:P10:56
yofelwell, good morning folks for that matter ^^10:57
apacheloggeryo fel10:57
smartboyhwGood afternoon yofel (LOL)10:57
apacheloggertrololo :P10:57
apacheloggerwe haz problem10:58
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes, X doesn't start10:58
shadeslayeron N1010:58
apacheloggeranyone knows of the active?10:58
shadeslayerno idea why10:58
apacheloggerkubuntu-settings-desktop needs to pre-depend grub10:58
* smartboyhw does not run Active on Nexus 10 or on whatever hardware10:58
apacheloggerbut since active probably uses -desktop that sounds le fishy10:59
apacheloggerso perhaps we need kubuntu-settings-grub10:59
apacheloggerso kubuntu-settings-desktop suggests kubuntu-settings-grub pre-depends grub-pc10:59
apacheloggerdesktop seed recommends kubuntu-settings-grub10:59
apacheloggeralso that way a user may use something other than grub10:59
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK, etc: ^ if you feel like giving an opinion on a possible kubuntu-settings-grub11:06
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1174713] systemsettings package contains random plunder @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174713 (by Harald Sitter)11:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1174713 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "systemsettings package contains random plunder" [Low,Triaged]11:32
shadeslayermgraesslin: just read your email, what happens when there's a genuine bug in KWin11:47
shadeslayerand it was not caught in the RC/Beta11:47
mgraesslinbad luck11:47
mgraesslingiven the numbers I surrender11:47
shadeslayerbut then what if it's something that can be fixed in the point releases :S11:47
mgraesslinif I had any hope in it getting better I would not suggest something like that11:48
shadeslayermgraesslin: and these reports don't come in when a Fedora release happens?11:51
shadeslayeror a SUSE release?11:51
mgraesslinshadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/GLnenbaughd11:52
shadeslayerah yes, saw that11:52
shadeslayermaybe time to talk to the X people?11:52
mgraesslinshadeslayer: to make it clear: this is not a Kubuntu problem, it's a pure Ubuntu problem11:52
mgraesslintried it11:52
mgraesslinUDS in Florida we had a complete session11:53
shadeslayerwhat was the conclusion?11:53
mgraesslinshadeslayer: interested in reading the rant I wrote yesterday and which is currently in my draft?11:53
shadeslayerand look on the bright side, Canonical is going to withdraw from fiddling with X soonish :P11:53
shadeslayermgraesslin: sure11:53
* shadeslayer rages at samsung11:54
mgraesslinI don't exactly remember the outcome, but it was something like "if they need to change mesa for Compiz, they will do it"11:55
ScottKmgraesslin: BTW, you're point about 4.1/4.2 graphical effects is wrong.  Fedora had those patches too.11:55
mgraesslinScottK: that's mentioned11:55
mgraesslin(to be fair: that problem was also present in Fedora)11:56
ScottK"Remember in 4.1/4.2 times the graphical artefacts? Only Ubuntu, because they had patches to X. I could go on so for release and release. It's always Ubuntu, always, always."11:56
mgraesslinoh that's in the google plus posting11:57
mgraesslinI realize I pasted the blog post in a query to shadeslayer, there I mention the problem but also write that it's in Fedora11:57
shadeslayermgraesslin: IMHO you should blog that pastebin11:59
* mgraesslin is unsure about it12:01
Riddellapachelogger: pong?12:29
yofelRiddell: how about using the pad for the merge notes instead of trello? There we can at least just c&p the whole packagelist to make sure we don't forget something12:52
yofelapachelogger: what's the problem with grub again? it being pulled into the active images?12:53
Riddellyofel: yeah set that up if you think it's better12:54
BluesKajHi all14:17
smartboyhwRiddell: Just thought of it, the KC election nominations are closing today \o/14:26
smartboyhwAh not yet, tomorrow;P14:27
Riddellsmartboyhw: going to stand?14:33
smartboyhwRiddell: No. The problem is that I don't know which three I should vote out of the four (or rather, who not to vote grr)14:41
* smartboyhw requests a live forum:P14:41
smartboyhwI mean, it's so difficult to choose14:43
smartboyhwAll of them are KDE e.v. Members14:43
smartboyhwAll of them have a very substantial role in Kubuntu and KDE14:43
Riddelltry for a balance of skills14:46
Riddelland for who will stay around longest :)14:47
smartboyhwRiddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Privatr message?14:50
kubotusmartboyhw meant: "Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Private message?"14:50
shadeslayerjono: have a minute?15:28
jonoshadeslayer, sure15:28
shadeslayerjono: a couple of things from my interaction with some people over a linux mailing list in my area, they're a bit disappointed that Ubuntu.com doesn't feature links to debian.org on the homepage15:29
shadeslayerfor eg. kubuntu.org features that right on the homepage, but no such links on ubuntu.com15:29
jonoshadeslayer, we haven't had a link on there for quite some time15:30
jononot on the front page15:30
jonothe target demographic of ubuntu.com are folks who want to learn about the functional benefits of ubuntu, so they are unlikely to go to the Debian homepage15:30
jonoso the link is better served on the community pages15:31
jonowhich is what we are working on right now15:31
jonoshadeslayer, I have asked dholbach to deliver community.ubuntu.com (content) next month15:32
shadeslayerI see, the second point that I've realized is, I couldn't find a link where the term 'ubuntu' was properly defined in terms of the Community / Product 15:32
smartboyhw_jono: Where's dholbach BTW? Can't see him in IRC15:32
jonosmartboyhw_, we are at a sprint, so he is dipping in and out of IRC15:33
shadeslayerfor me the Ubuntu project represents the whole slew of flavors 15:33
jonoshadeslayer, you can see http://www.ubuntu.com/community but tbh, it isnt very good15:33
jonothis is why we are redeveloping the community pagtes15:33
jonothey just dont serve out community very well15:33
jonoso we are working on a truly dedicated community site15:33
smartboyhw_shadeslayer: We have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite15:33
jonoit took a while as a bunch of people signed up to work on it and then never delivered their work15:33
shadeslayerexcept, I couldn't find a single page where this was clearly defined so I could point someone to it15:34
jonoshadeslayer, as I say, we are working on this15:34
smartboyhw_jono: Yeah sure I think we got most of them OK now :P15:34
jonobut ubuntu.com/community provides lots of info15:34
shadeslayerokay, thanks for clarifying that15:34
jonoshadeslayer, np15:34
yofellol, quote of the day "<svuorela> yay. 0~. positive, but less than zero"16:11
* shadeslayer is waiting for live build to finish making a rootfs tarball16:12
* shadeslayer is learning about obscure temperature scales16:12
genii-aroundDoes Kubuntu installer use some different UEFI method than the regular Ubuntu ? user "roasted" in #k apparently can install Ubuntu but not Kubuntu 16:13
shadeslayergenii-around: uh yeah, I had one report of this as well16:13
shadeslayerplease ask him to report a bug with full logs16:13
shadeslayerxnox: ^^16:13
xnoxgenii-around: kubuntu does not have complete UEFI support, for UEFI support please install Ubuntu & then install kubuntu-desktop & remove ubuntu-desktop meta-packages to use kubuntu / KDE by default.16:15
shadeslayerxnox: whats missing16:16
genii-aroundxnox: This has been suggested to them already, actually.16:16
xnoxshadeslayer: seeding correct packages on the cd, and twiddling with cdimage to generate uefi/sb images....16:16
xnoxand testing16:16
shadeslayerxnox: could you possibly spin up saucy images with those fixes?16:17
shadeslayerthen we can test next week16:17
xnoxshadeslayer: no, i can't. i don't know how to do that and don't have time to work on kubuntu.16:17
xnoxit's a big chunk of work.16:18
shadeslayeroh, like the way you said it, I thought it was trivial to do :P16:18
shadeslayerFYI I'm using the ARM boxes for a bit17:01
shadeslayerto build an image for the Nexus 1017:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: kubuntu-desktop still pulling in zenity17:03
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)18:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]18:44
LaneyI'd like to upload user-manager and polkit-qt-1 to add consolekit depends as it uses the dbus interface. Any objections? (The long term fix is to use logind too)18:49
Laneypolkit-qt-1 appears to be in sync though, so if someone has commit to pkg-kde :-)18:50
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yofelLaney: sounds good for now if they'll stop working without it19:07
* yofel added a todo item for logind19:09
Laneythe porting isn't too hard19:09
Laneyyofel: can you commit to polkit-qt-1 @ debian?19:09
yofelLaney: I think I can..., but as I don't do much there usually I'll talk to the debian folks first. I can't upload it anyway19:17
Laneyyofel: right, but it's good to have it at least committed in there so it's not an ubuntu delta forever19:17
Laneyuploading isn't so urgent; debian isn't doing this transition right now anyway19:18
LaneyRiddell: can I fix native-package-with-dash-version in user-manager at the same time? Do you have a VCS for it?19:23
yofelRiddell: I updated the trello merge todo list with the full list of packages. It's worth a try at least19:45
* yofel is reasonably certain that he didn't miss anything19:48
* shadeslayer grumbles19:49
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ScottKRiddell, ahoneybun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/20130430.1/20:07
Laneyyofel: both uploaded21:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: whatwhy?21:35
* apachelogger slaps shadeslayer with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest21:35
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bmw13.04 recent upgrade, Dolphin file manager just freezes. Is this a known bug?21:49
ScottKbmw: It's working for me.  I'd check and see if there's not a virtuoso-t process eating all your CPU.21:54
bmwNope. CPU is very quiet.  I21:56
bmwI've rebooted the machine but no difference21:56
ScottKamd64 or i386?21:56
ScottKI'm on i386.21:57
ScottKAny amd64 raring dolphin users out there?21:57
genii-arounddolphin works fine here.21:58
ScottKbmw: ^^^  it appears not to be a general problem.21:59
ScottKNot sure what to suggest.  Maybe ask in #kde.21:59
bmwYuck! Time to troubleshoot. #kde, good suggestion. Thanks.21:59
sheytanapachelogger: ping22:15

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