[00:23] <ahoneybun> So what will the new image be called? saucy?
[10:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[10:51] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Riddell Good evening
[10:54] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Greeting_Time
[10:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: Sorry, I'm a bit factual:P
[10:57] <yofel> well, good morning folks for that matter ^^
[10:57] <apachelogger> yo fel
[10:57] <smartboyhw> Good afternoon yofel (LOL)
[10:57] <apachelogger> trololo :P
[10:58] <apachelogger> so
[10:58] <apachelogger> we haz problem
[10:58] <shadeslayer> appropriate-greeting-according-to-your-timezone
[10:58] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes, X doesn't start
[10:58] <shadeslayer> on N10
[10:58] <apachelogger> anyone knows of the active?
[10:58] <shadeslayer> no idea why
[10:58] <apachelogger> cuz
[10:58] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-desktop needs to pre-depend grub
[10:58]  * smartboyhw does not run Active on Nexus 10 or on whatever hardware
[10:59] <apachelogger> but since active probably uses -desktop that sounds le fishy
[10:59] <apachelogger> so perhaps we need kubuntu-settings-grub
[10:59] <apachelogger> so kubuntu-settings-desktop suggests kubuntu-settings-grub pre-depends grub-pc
[10:59] <apachelogger> desktop seed recommends kubuntu-settings-grub
[10:59] <apachelogger> also that way a user may use something other than grub
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK, etc: ^ if you feel like giving an opinion on a possible kubuntu-settings-grub
[11:32] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174713] systemsettings package contains random plunder @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174713 (by Harald Sitter)
[11:47] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: just read your email, what happens when there's a genuine bug in KWin
[11:47] <shadeslayer> and it was not caught in the RC/Beta
[11:47] <mgraesslin> bad luck
[11:47] <mgraesslin> given the numbers I surrender
[11:47] <shadeslayer> but then what if it's something that can be fixed in the point releases :S
[11:47] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:48] <mgraesslin> if I had any hope in it getting better I would not suggest something like that
[11:51] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: and these reports don't come in when a Fedora release happens?
[11:51] <shadeslayer> or a SUSE release?
[11:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/115606635748721265446/posts/GLnenbaughd
[11:52] <shadeslayer> ah yes, saw that
[11:52] <shadeslayer> maybe time to talk to the X people?
[11:52] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: to make it clear: this is not a Kubuntu problem, it's a pure Ubuntu problem
[11:52] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[11:52] <mgraesslin> tried it
[11:52] <shadeslayer> oh?
[11:53] <mgraesslin> UDS in Florida we had a complete session
[11:53] <shadeslayer> what was the conclusion?
[11:53] <mgraesslin> shadeslayer: interested in reading the rant I wrote yesterday and which is currently in my draft?
[11:53] <shadeslayer> and look on the bright side, Canonical is going to withdraw from fiddling with X soonish :P
[11:53] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: sure
[11:54]  * shadeslayer rages at samsung
[11:55] <mgraesslin> I don't exactly remember the outcome, but it was something like "if they need to change mesa for Compiz, they will do it"
[11:55] <ScottK> mgraesslin: BTW, you're point about 4.1/4.2 graphical effects is wrong.  Fedora had those patches too.
[11:55] <mgraesslin> ScottK: that's mentioned
[11:56] <mgraesslin> (to be fair: that problem was also present in Fedora)
[11:56] <ScottK> "Remember in 4.1/4.2 times the graphical artefacts? Only Ubuntu, because they had patches to X. I could go on so for release and release. It's always Ubuntu, always, always."
[11:57] <mgraesslin> oh that's in the google plus posting
[11:57] <ScottK> Yeah.
[11:57] <mgraesslin> I realize I pasted the blog post in a query to shadeslayer, there I mention the problem but also write that it's in Fedora
[11:57] <mgraesslin> s/is/was
[11:59] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: IMHO you should blog that pastebin
[12:01]  * mgraesslin is unsure about it
[12:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: pong?
[12:52] <yofel> Riddell: how about using the pad for the merge notes instead of trello? There we can at least just c&p the whole packagelist to make sure we don't forget something
[12:53] <yofel> apachelogger: what's the problem with grub again? it being pulled into the active images?
[12:54] <Riddell> yofel: yeah set that up if you think it's better
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:22] <Riddell> afternoon
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Just thought of it, the KC election nominations are closing today \o/
[14:27] <smartboyhw> Ah not yet, tomorrow;P
[14:33] <Riddell> smartboyhw: going to stand?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell: No. The problem is that I don't know which three I should vote out of the four (or rather, who not to vote grr)
[14:41]  * smartboyhw requests a live forum:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> I mean, it's so difficult to choose
[14:43] <smartboyhw> All of them are KDE e.v. Members
[14:43] <smartboyhw> All of them have a very substantial role in Kubuntu and KDE
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Grr
[14:46] <Riddell> try for a balance of skills
[14:47] <Riddell> and for who will stay around longest :)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Privatr message?
[14:50] <smartboyhw> s/Privatr/Private/
[14:50] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Riddell: Grrrr that doesn't help either. Private message?"
[14:52] <Riddell> ok
[15:28] <shadeslayer> jono: have a minute?
[15:28] <jono> shadeslayer, sure
[15:29] <shadeslayer> jono: a couple of things from my interaction with some people over a linux mailing list in my area, they're a bit disappointed that Ubuntu.com doesn't feature links to debian.org on the homepage
[15:29] <shadeslayer> for eg. kubuntu.org features that right on the homepage, but no such links on ubuntu.com
[15:30] <jono> shadeslayer, we haven't had a link on there for quite some time
[15:30] <jono> not on the front page
[15:30] <jono> the target demographic of ubuntu.com are folks who want to learn about the functional benefits of ubuntu, so they are unlikely to go to the Debian homepage
[15:31] <jono> so the link is better served on the community pages
[15:31] <jono> which is what we are working on right now
[15:32] <jono> shadeslayer, I have asked dholbach to deliver community.ubuntu.com (content) next month
[15:32] <shadeslayer> I see, the second point that I've realized is, I couldn't find a link where the term 'ubuntu' was properly defined in terms of the Community / Product 
[15:32] <smartboyhw_> jono: Where's dholbach BTW? Can't see him in IRC
[15:33] <jono> smartboyhw_, we are at a sprint, so he is dipping in and out of IRC
[15:33] <shadeslayer> for me the Ubuntu project represents the whole slew of flavors 
[15:33] <jono> shadeslayer, you can see http://www.ubuntu.com/community but tbh, it isnt very good
[15:33] <jono> this is why we are redeveloping the community pagtes
[15:33] <jono> they just dont serve out community very well
[15:33] <jono> so we are working on a truly dedicated community site
[15:33] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: We have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityWebsite
[15:33] <jono> it took a while as a bunch of people signed up to work on it and then never delivered their work
[15:34] <shadeslayer> except, I couldn't find a single page where this was clearly defined so I could point someone to it
[15:34] <jono> shadeslayer, as I say, we are working on this
[15:34] <smartboyhw_> jono: Yeah sure I think we got most of them OK now :P
[15:34] <jono> but ubuntu.com/community provides lots of info
[15:34] <shadeslayer> okay, thanks for clarifying that
[15:34] <jono> shadeslayer, np
[16:11] <yofel> lol, quote of the day "<svuorela> yay. 0~. positive, but less than zero"
[16:12] <shadeslayer> heh
[16:12]  * shadeslayer is waiting for live build to finish making a rootfs tarball
[16:12]  * shadeslayer is learning about obscure temperature scales
[16:13] <genii-around> Does Kubuntu installer use some different UEFI method than the regular Ubuntu ? user "roasted" in #k apparently can install Ubuntu but not Kubuntu 
[16:13] <shadeslayer> genii-around: uh yeah, I had one report of this as well
[16:13] <shadeslayer> please ask him to report a bug with full logs
[16:13] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^^
[16:15] <xnox> genii-around: kubuntu does not have complete UEFI support, for UEFI support please install Ubuntu & then install kubuntu-desktop & remove ubuntu-desktop meta-packages to use kubuntu / KDE by default.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> xnox: whats missing
[16:16] <genii-around> xnox: This has been suggested to them already, actually.
[16:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: seeding correct packages on the cd, and twiddling with cdimage to generate uefi/sb images....
[16:16] <xnox> and testing
[16:16] <shadeslayer> aha
[16:17] <shadeslayer> xnox: could you possibly spin up saucy images with those fixes?
[16:17] <shadeslayer> then we can test next week
[16:17] <xnox> shadeslayer: no, i can't. i don't know how to do that and don't have time to work on kubuntu.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> okay
[16:18] <xnox> it's a big chunk of work.
[16:18] <shadeslayer> oh, like the way you said it, I thought it was trivial to do :P
[17:01] <shadeslayer> FYI I'm using the ARM boxes for a bit
[17:02] <shadeslayer> to build an image for the Nexus 10
[17:03] <shadeslayer> :S
[17:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-desktop still pulling in zenity
[18:44] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174689] Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 (by yossarian_uk)
[18:49] <Laney> Hi
[18:49] <Laney> I'd like to upload user-manager and polkit-qt-1 to add consolekit depends as it uses the dbus interface. Any objections? (The long term fix is to use logind too)
[18:50] <Laney> polkit-qt-1 appears to be in sync though, so if someone has commit to pkg-kde :-)
[19:07] <yofel> Laney: sounds good for now if they'll stop working without it
[19:09]  * yofel added a todo item for logind
[19:09] <Laney> great
[19:09] <Laney> the porting isn't too hard
[19:09] <Laney> yofel: can you commit to polkit-qt-1 @ debian?
[19:17] <yofel> Laney: I think I can..., but as I don't do much there usually I'll talk to the debian folks first. I can't upload it anyway
[19:17] <Laney> yofel: right, but it's good to have it at least committed in there so it's not an ubuntu delta forever
[19:17] <yofel> right
[19:18] <Laney> uploading isn't so urgent; debian isn't doing this transition right now anyway
[19:23] <Laney> Riddell: can I fix native-package-with-dash-version in user-manager at the same time? Do you have a VCS for it?
[19:45] <yofel> Riddell: I updated the trello merge todo list with the full list of packages. It's worth a try at least
[19:48]  * yofel is reasonably certain that he didn't miss anything
[19:49]  * shadeslayer grumbles
[20:07] <ScottK> Riddell, ahoneybun: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/20130430.1/
[21:06] <Laney> yofel: both uploaded
[21:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: whatwhy?
[21:35]  * apachelogger slaps shadeslayer with http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/raring-desktop-i386.manifest
[21:49] <bmw> 13.04 recent upgrade, Dolphin file manager just freezes. Is this a known bug?
[21:54] <ScottK> bmw: It's working for me.  I'd check and see if there's not a virtuoso-t process eating all your CPU.
[21:56] <bmw> Nope. CPU is very quiet.  I
[21:56] <bmw> I've rebooted the machine but no difference
[21:56] <ScottK> amd64 or i386?
[21:57] <bmw> amd64
[21:57] <ScottK> I'm on i386.
[21:57] <ScottK> Any amd64 raring dolphin users out there?
[21:58] <genii-around> dolphin works fine here.
[21:59] <ScottK> bmw: ^^^  it appears not to be a general problem.
[21:59] <ScottK> Not sure what to suggest.  Maybe ask in #kde.
[21:59] <bmw> Yuck! Time to troubleshoot. #kde, good suggestion. Thanks.
[22:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping