[09:38] <eagles0513875_> hey guys has anyone setup openssh client to use a tunnel
[11:08] <eagles0513875_> ok guys im at my wits end with the unity web apps plugin i remove the packages from my system and chromium continues to prompt to instal them
[11:08] <eagles0513875_> wtf seriously how can i stop these popups
[11:19] <miguel> ping
[11:37] <alvin> A lot of machines running Kubuntu have problems showing transparancy in KDE applications. My task manager is barely readable. Is there anyone who can point me to a bug report?
[11:37] <alvin> It happens on different Intel videocards. Not on nouveau.
[11:40] <Tm_T> alvin: hmmm, I'm on intel and don't have such issues
[11:41] <Tm_T> screenshot or something about the issue you're having?
[11:41] <alvin> Yes, I'll take screenshots of the 3 different machines. (3 different cards also)
[11:46] <alvin> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/296786/kde1.jpg and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/296786/kde2.jpg That's on an Intel 4000. Notice the weird corners. In the first screenshot the  cashew on the taskbar is up. On the second, it's the top of the KDE start menu.
[11:47] <alvin> Desktop effects on or off doesn't make a lot of difference. Corners are the weirdest part
[12:09] <Tm_T> alvin: hmmm, does resizing the panel have any effect?
[12:09] <Tm_T> I'm wondering if it's image cache issue, other than that, I cannot help as I cannot reproduce
[12:28] <Cenbe> Menu editor problem. I create a new menu entry with command text "xt5250 ssl:weyco400 env.TERM=IBM-3477-FC" (no quotes)...
[12:29] <Cenbe> But ps ax shows "/bin/sh /usr/bin/xt5250 -BOOT ssl...". Where does "-BOOT" come from and how do I get rid of it?
[12:51] <bradlee> my kubuntu system is very slow and control-esc shows plasma desktop in disk sleep...any ideas???
[12:52] <bradlee> nepomukservicestub is taking 49% of cpu
[12:52] <bradlee> maybe I should disable nepo indexint
[12:53] <bradlee> nepomukservicestub is taking 2 gb of memory and growing
[12:53] <bradlee> how can that be???
[12:54] <bradlee> going to google to see...
[12:55] <nick_omega> hello, i suddenly cannot connect to my wifi device with kubuntu 12 after several consecutive weeks without issues.  1. i can connect with windows 7 without a problem 2. i have deleted the particular wifi connection and recreated it and rebooted.  is there a solution?
[12:55] <michaelp> last night setup qpaeq. had trouble with pulse.. so i unstalled pulseaudio deleted eetc/pulse.. reinstalled it... now im missing deamon.conf.. and when useing qpaeq sound stops when the next video starts playing..
[12:57] <nick_omega> ^^ 3.i've also reset the router and modem
[13:36] <nick_omega> ^^ above issue was resolved
[14:17] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:51] <noaXess> how do i recover a kmenu entry.. have made a copy to the taskbar and removed it frmo kmenu.. but need the same again.. where to copy that one from taskbar?
[15:28] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[15:30] <ovidiu-florin> How is everybody?
[15:31] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: I'm ill but at work because no one can cover my shift today. Otherwise peachy.
[15:33] <BluesKaj> ok here , still getting over my bout with sg=hrimp protien alergy ,, something that just developed in the last few yrs
[15:33] <BluesKaj> shrimp
[15:33] <ovidiu-florin> I've moved my server to annother location, and just now I've realised that I haven't set the port forwarding for ssh :((
[15:34] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: Ouch. So now you have to go back over in person ?
[15:34] <ovidiu-florin> yep
[15:34] <ovidiu-florin> http and znc works fine.... but no ssh... :(
[15:38] <ovidiu-florin> can a virtual machine be istalled on the server from ssh?
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> genii-around: that sucks....
[15:39] <ovidiu-florin> genii-around: what are you working?
[15:39] <BluesKaj> ovidiu-florin, I've ssh'd into my other pc and installed packages
[15:40] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: Operating the manual elevator all day, plus I have 7-8 small building repairs today
[15:40] <ovidiu-florin> BluesKaj: I mean that I want to install a new virtual machine on my server. How can I do that being connected via ssh tot the server?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> dunno , never tried that , ovidiu-florin
[15:42] <BluesKaj> genii-around, , is his question possible ?
[15:43] <genii-around> Depends what VM system. We have done this at work with Xen but I think default virtualization is now KVM which I'm not familiar with
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> at the moment I'm using VirtualBox
[15:43] <ovidiu-florin> how can I have a system on which I can have virtual machines and controll them from a web interface or some console commands, or something..?
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> I saw something like this on VMware
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> but it only works on specific proprietary hardware
[15:44] <ovidiu-florin> is there an open source/free solution for this?
[15:45] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: Virtualbox has an open-source version.
[15:45] <ovidiu-florin> hey lordievader
[15:46] <genii-around> ovidiu-florin: For virtualbox I think you'll need vboxmanage for command-line VM admin
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> yeah, I've used that
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> it's great for managing
[15:46] <ovidiu-florin> but a web interface tool would be great
[15:47] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: VB has a web interface.
[15:47] <ovidiu-florin> really?
[15:47] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: https://code.google.com/p/phpvirtualbox/
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> ah, this one
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> is this official??
[15:48] <lordievader> ovidiu-florin: There is a link to it on the virtualbox website, don't think it is backed by Oracle though.
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> thanks
[15:51] <ovidiu-florin> i'll give it a try
[15:58] <roasted> hello
[15:58] <roasted> What is the secret to installing Kubuntu on a UEFI system even with UEFI disabled?
[15:58] <roasted> Ubuntu installs without issue, but Kubuntu yells about grub-efi or something or another. Tried about 10 times, no luck.
[15:58] <BluesKaj> !efi | roasted
[15:59] <roasted> pretty sure this link is what I was on yesterday
[16:00] <ovidiu-florin> uuuuu: Can be "detached" to open the VM's console in a minimal, new browser window
[16:02] <roasted> I just wasn't understanding how Ubuntu with guided partitioning installed without issue while Kubuntu with guided partitioning failed. :(
[16:02] <BluesKaj> roasted, you could install ubuntu then install kubuntu desktop and run a kde pure command as a workaround
[16:02] <roasted> BluesKaj: I appreciate the thought, but no.
[16:03] <roasted> If I'm going to run Kubuntu, I'll run Kubuntu. If I'll run Ubuntu I'll run Ubuntu. :/
[16:03] <roasted> I'm not going to jump through hoops to make Kubuntu work if others work without a hitch.
[16:03] <BluesKaj> or use the manual partitioning option rather then guided
[16:03] <roasted> It didn't help that my brightness controls didn't work on KDE but worked fine on Ubuntu either... but that was something I was hoping to curb once I finally got Kubuntu installed.
[16:05] <roasted> BluesKaj: I did.
[16:05] <roasted> BluesKaj: I installed about 6 times manual and another 5 times guided.
[16:05] <roasted> each time failed with the same error. EVen if I used identical partitioning structures that worked on Ubuntu, it still failed on Kubuntu
[16:06] <rd1381> hi how can i change the locale for my gnome apps?
[16:06] <BluesKaj> roasted, what's the error?
[16:08] <keithzg> Hmm, this is an odd one. After my upgrade to 13.04, kwallet keeps prompting for my password but never quite accepts it.
[16:12] <rd1381> do anybody gets freezes randomly?
[16:14] <genii-around> roasted: I mentioned your issue to #kubuntu-devel , they would like a bug report, with logs if possible
[16:15] <BluesKaj> keithzg, I just turn the kwalletmanager off/disable  , since I'm a homeuser ,but it depends on your setup and security requirements
[16:16] <keithzg> BluesKaj: It normally works quite fine (extremely useful for remembering various ftp/sftp/smb passwords, amongst others). Killing kwalletd and letting it be prompted into restarting seems to have restored it A-OK.
[16:16] <genii-around> roasted: It's suggested for now to follow BluesKaj's recommendation to install a minimal Ubuntu then add kubuntu-desktop
[16:17] <keithzg> rd1381: What behaviour exactly? I got into work today and I was confronted with a kernel panic, or at least a kernel backtrace (haven't had time to look at the system logs yet)
[16:17] <roasted> genii-around: how does one get logs during the installer
[16:17] <BluesKaj> keithzg, good to hear , especially since you need all those different pws :)
[16:18] <roasted> thanks, I'll keep that in mind. either way my brightness controls are butchered in Kubuntu which alone would be a substantial deal breaker, but if I get some free time maybe I'll give it another shot
[16:19] <shadeslayer> roasted: merely run ubuntu-bug ubiquity post install
[16:19] <roasted> post install? the install doesn't succeed...
[16:20] <shadeslayer> right, doesn't matter, just let the installer fail whenever
[16:20] <shadeslayer> once it says install succeeded / failed / whatever, run ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[16:20] <BluesKaj> BBL ...
[16:20] <roasted> I thought I remember it locking up once it failed, which would kill my chance of running that...
[16:20] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:20]  * shadeslayer hasn't read the backlog
[16:21] <roasted> I'll have to see though. I tried so many dang installs I forget which is which...
[16:21] <shadeslayer> :D
[16:21] <shadeslayer> though this is not really a ubiquity bug, from what I was told, the Kubuntu images don't support UEFI yet
[16:22] <roasted> are you serious?
[16:22] <shadeslayer> *proper UEFI support
[16:22] <roasted> :-[
[16:22] <shadeslayer> yeah
[16:22] <shadeslayer> I thought we did
[16:22] <shadeslayer> apparently not
[16:22] <roasted> well, I'm on Ubuntu now, so at least I'm able to get work done. maybe someday. :-[
[16:22] <roasted> thanks for the insight
[16:23] <shadeslayer> something to do for the saucy cycle
[16:23] <roasted> indeed. means more waiting though. :-[
[16:23] <genii-around> roasted: I'm pretty sure the logs from the liveDVD will be in the same place as regular system eg: /var/log   ... so probably want /var/log/installer/*  logs and /var/log/apport.log   and so on
[16:23] <shadeslayer> yeah, or just boot in BIOS mode?
[16:24] <roasted> I am
[16:24] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:24] <roasted> uefi is disabled
[16:24] <roasted> but Ubuntu creates an efi boot partition, whereas Kubuntu does not
[16:24] <roasted> even if I manually create it, no difference
[16:30] <rd1381> keithzg : i dont know if its kernel or not but every thing freezes even my harddrive and i have to reboot it
[16:30] <keithzg> rd1391: Does alt+sysreq+REISUB work to reboot it when it's frozen like that?
[16:35] <rd1381> keithzg	: no it doesnt respond to any key other that reset key
[16:38] <keithzg> And *definitely* not alt+sysreq+REISUB? Remember that's not exactly a normal keyboard combo (the R at the start sets it into raw input mode; the B at the end forces a reboot).
[16:40] <keithzg> Back in the day when KDE 4.x was new and wasn't playing very well with the NVIDIA setup I had (proprietary blob, asymmetrical twinview) the whole system would lock up all the time, but holding alt and sysreq while punching in REISUB would softly reboot it, thankfully.
[17:14] <l_r> does kmail support newsgroups?
[17:18] <roasted> is there a big difference between the uefi on a Mac versus a windows 8 system? I installed Kubuntu on my iMac without issue but my Asus is a different story...
[17:23] <Tm_T> l_r: kmail is mail application and only that, there's Knode for newsgroups
[17:27] <l_r> can kmail emit a beep when an email arrive?
[17:30] <alesan> hi
[17:30] <alesan> I just installed kubuntu 13.04
[17:30] <alesan> what is the login manager? is it kdm or...?
[17:30] <Tm_T> l_r: yes, or notification popup, or speech or ...
[17:30] <genii-around> alesan: lightdm-kde-greeter
[17:30] <l_r> Tm_T, where exactly?
[17:30] <alesan> genii-around, where is its configuration file?
[17:31] <l_r> Tm_T, i cannot find it
[17:31] <alesan> genii-around, the equivalent of /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc
[17:31] <Tm_T> l_r: one moment
[17:31] <l_r> Tm_T, thx
[17:31] <genii-around> alesan: /etc/lightdm/lightdm-kde-greeter.conf
[17:31] <l_r> Tm_T, never mind
[17:31] <l_r> Tm_T, it seems it's the default
[17:31] <alesan> genii-around, that file is empty.........
[17:32] <l_r> Tm_T, i just heard of a bip
[17:32] <Tm_T> l_r: yeah, you can control it from the settings menu, "configure notifications"
[17:32] <alesan> genii-around, sorry not empty
[17:32] <alesan> but .... very very few options
[17:32] <alesan> kdmrc had hundreds of lines
[17:33] <Tm_T> alesan: what is the problem?
[17:33] <genii-around> alesan: In the same directory is the main lightdm.conf file also
[17:33] <alesan> Tm_T, that I am confused by the options of this new login manager
[17:33] <alesan> I was used to kdm, do you think I can switch back to the regular kdm?
[17:34] <Tm_T> alesan: ah, you can but I'd rather learn the new one as it will be there in the future
[17:34] <genii-around> alesan: Sure, but it will soon be deprecated as the lightdm one is favoured
[17:35]  * genii-around slides Tm_T a large coffee
[17:35] <alesan> ok. so I need to have a read only FS kiosk mode setup that I had in the past with 12.04 and works great
[17:35] <alesan> only thing I enabled "AllowRootLogin=true" because of reasons
[17:35] <alesan> now, is there an equivalent version for lightdm?
[17:36] <Tm_T> I would argue there's no reason to allow root login though (:
[17:36] <alesan> you can argue, but that is not my question and I am not here for a lecture on security policies
[17:37] <alesan> :(
[17:37] <alesan> sorry I do not mean to be rude
[17:37] <Tm_T> alesan: I understand, this setting might help you: greeter-show-manual-login=true
[17:37] <genii-around> alesan: greeter-show-manual-login=true    in lightdm  under section [SeatDefaults]   should be the same effect
[17:38] <alesan> in fact that poses a new question
[17:38] <Tm_T> genii-around: we're bit out of sync
[17:38] <genii-around> Tm_T: I didn't check backscroll after I came back from researching it, sorry!
[17:39] <alesan> mh
[17:39] <Tm_T> genii-around: I mean if we're going to say the same things we should have to do at the same time to full effect
[17:40] <alesan> so
[17:41] <alesan> my next question is: how do I disable ALL effects, transparencies, auras, animations?
[17:43] <Tm_T> alesan: System Settings -> Desktop Effects -> "enable desktop effects at startup"
[17:43] <alesan> Tm_T, is this a system wide setting or a per-user ne?
[17:43] <alesan> one
[17:44] <Tm_T> per-user
[17:44] <alesan> isn't there a system wide one? :(
[17:44] <Tm_T> but I believe you can make it to be the default for every new user
[17:45] <alesan> nooo... :(
[17:45] <alesan> I already have multiple users
[17:45] <Tm_T> hmmm, let's see...
[17:45] <alesan> in fact I also have another question: how do I encrypt home directories after having created the user?
[17:46] <alesan> I'll be right back :)
[17:52] <alesan> re
[17:59] <alesan> what is the best way to remove dolphin?
[18:01] <alesan> what is this nepomuk that is wasting so much I/O?
[18:01] <genii-around> File indexing.
[18:01] <BluesKaj> alesan, you can't , unless you want to remove the whole desktop
[18:02] <alesan> BluesKaj, why, can't I use konqueror?
[18:02] <alesan> genii-around, how can I uninstall it? unless it brings some advantage
[18:02] <BluesKaj> dolphin is the default file manager
[18:02] <alesan> BluesKaj, I do not want it, I want konqueror
[18:03] <alesan> who would want to use dolphin when there is a much better one available
[18:03]  * BluesKaj shrugs and leaves to do some errands
[18:04] <genii-around> alesan: You can remove the package dolphin without worrying. It says it will also remove kubuntu-desktop but that is a virtual package
[18:04] <BluesKaj> alesan, it's the way it is , use konqueror if you like
[18:05] <alesan> genii-around, OK good riddance
[18:06] <BluesKaj> taking out kubuntu desktop takes alot with it , or used to anyway , unless things have changed
[18:07] <alesan> ok done
[18:07] <yofel> taking out kubuntu-desktop doesn't take anything with it by design
[18:07] <yofel> it's just a guarantee that all the defaults are there
[18:08] <alesan> ok
[18:09] <alesan> ok while I was playing around, I realized that my task bar is rather empty
[18:10] <BluesKaj> yofel, really ? I recall trying to remove akonadi and nepomuk , and the list of apps that it was oing take with it included kubuntu-dektop and whole lot of others as well
[18:10] <alesan> I just have the classical K menu and three dots (RGB) that open some sort of strange panel
[18:10] <alesan> but I do not have the application tabs and the tray area
[18:10] <alesan> mh
[18:10] <alesan> how can I add them back?
[18:11] <yofel> BluesKaj: that's the fault of akonadi/nepomuk, not kubuntu-desktop
[18:11] <BluesKaj> too bad they share so many dependencies
[18:12] <alesan> even the clock is gone :(
[18:12] <BluesKaj> alesan, try the widgets
[18:12] <alesan> BluesKaj, is there a list of default widgets? this happened only for a specific user, not for all
[18:12] <[GuS]> Hi guys... i have a problem since upgraded to Kubuntu 13.04: usb sticks does noy appears (or any usb storage). It shows USB info in dmesg, but nothing more... even does not appears with fdisk -l. Any idea?
[18:13] <alesan> so that I can re-create a default configuration of the task bar
[18:14] <BluesKaj> alesan, rihj=ght click on the desktop , add widgets
[18:14] <BluesKaj> right
[18:15] <BluesKaj> ok , gotta go for sure now ...bbl
[18:18] <alesan> where do I set the time in 24 hours format?
[18:21] <genii-around> alesan: System Settings... Locale... Time and Date....Time Format  ... just remove the PH part
[18:22] <genii-around> alesan: Sorry, the AMPM part at end if it has it
[18:22] <rohdef> can someone explain to me how to get the sound right on youtube? It seems that the sound's pitch is way above what it should be
[18:39] <ElTimablo> Ok, so I keep setting my clock using systemsettings, but it changes to GMT every time I log in.
[18:40] <ElTimablo> The time zone stays correct, but it's always 4 hours ahead. And it doesn't do it until about five minutes after I've logged in.
[18:41] <ElTimablo> Also, setting it to sync to ntp does nothing.
[18:43] <ElTimablo> Oh cool, now it's doing it multiple times per session.
[18:44] <ElTimablo> Not sure why I asked here. Nobody ever answers.
[18:45] <bazhang> be patient
[18:45] <bazhang> it takes a moment to check the forums for your issue
[18:45] <ElTimablo> I've been at this for 36 hours straight now, and I ran out of cigarettes. My patience is all kinds of gone.
[18:45] <ElTimablo> So please understand if I'm a little testy.
[18:46] <bazhang> then step away
[18:46] <ElTimablo> I already stepped away to smoke all my smokes.
[18:47] <bazhang> well, we are volunteers, and answers only come as fast as we either know them, or check the forums for them'
[18:48] <ElTimablo> I did check the forums, but all the answers are from 2010 or 2011 and the files they refer to no longer exist.
[18:48] <genii-around> ElTimablo: What is in /etc/timezone   file?
[18:48] <alesan> ElTimablo, but is your BIOS clock set to UTC or what?
[18:48] <ElTimablo> America/New_York
[18:48] <ElTimablo> And it's set to UTC
[18:48] <ElTimablo> Kubuntu is the only OS on the computer.
[18:49] <alesan> it should be a rather simple setup, no idea why it's not working
[18:49] <genii-around> ElTimablo: What is the result of: date -u  && echo && date
[18:49] <alesan> I never had anything like that
[18:50] <genii-around> work, back shortly
[18:50] <ElTimablo> $ date -u && echo && date
[18:50] <ElTimablo> Tue Apr 30 14:49:43 UTC 2013
[18:50] <ElTimablo> Tue Apr 30 14:49:43 UTC 2013
[18:50] <FloodBotK1> ElTimablo: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[18:50] <alesan> FloodBotK1, oh come on
[18:50] <alesan> ElTimablo, well your system is evidently not configurd for your timezone :)
[18:51] <alesan> date -u  && echo && date
[18:51] <alesan> Tue Apr 30 18:49:51 UTC 2013
[18:51] <alesan> Tue Apr 30 11:49:51 PDT 2013
[18:51] <alesan> in my case it correctly shows the local time as PDT
[18:51] <Unit193> sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
[18:52] <ElTimablo> Now it's 4 hours slow ><
[18:52] <ElTimablo> But it did do something, so that's a start.
[18:53] <ElTimablo> brb, checking if it sticks.
[18:55] <ElTimablo> It appears to have stuck for now.
[18:56] <ElTimablo> I was getting ready to reformat.
[18:58] <alesan> ElTimablo, well that would probably have worked
[18:58] <ElTimablo> Yeah, but I literally JUST got KDE to look the way I want it after three days of tweaking.
[18:58] <ElTimablo> And I was worried that if I copied over my settings, I'd still have the same problem.
[18:59] <alesan> ElTimablo, I know, it's a LONG process to make KDE useful
[18:59] <alesan> the defaults are just so bad... :(
[18:59] <alesan> I am doing that just now
[18:59] <ElTimablo> For desktop effects, they certainly are.
[18:59] <ElTimablo> Why the hell would I want my windows to go transparent when I move them?
[19:00] <wxl> !info kubuntu-low-fat-settings
[19:06] <alesan> ElTimablo, well in that case I just disabled all effects
[19:06] <alesan> I wonder who came up with desktop effects
[19:06] <ElTimablo> alesan: I kinda like them.
[19:06] <ElTimablo> Present windows is pretty useful.
[19:07] <alesan> ElTimablo, I do not, at all
[19:07] <ElTimablo> So then why do you use KDE? Eye candy is its MO.
[19:08] <ElTimablo> Not trying to sound like a dick.
[19:20] <alesan> ElTimablo, well I love konqueror and the task bar
[19:20] <alesan> and konsole
[19:20] <alesan> konsole is the one tool I use almost all the time
[19:20] <alesan> now KDE has extremely good external monitor support
[19:20] <alesan> and I love klipper
[19:20] <bazhang> whats the dropdown HUD like terminal for kde
[19:21] <bazhang> kuake?
[19:21] <alesan> in fact
[19:21] <alesan> hey where is klipper???
[19:22] <bazhang> yakuake
[19:26] <jarle> Any showstoppers after upgrading to 13.04? (Should I wait at 12.10, or should I just "go for it"?)
[19:27] <genii-around> jarle: It's mostly just incremental changes and tweaks
[19:28] <jcgs> Hi :) I'm currently having problems with the amd catalyst driver. Is this a good place to ask for help?
[19:28] <jarle> genii-around: so nobody regretting the update yet then ? :)
[19:28] <bazhang> !notes
[19:28] <jcgs> jarle: don't upgrade if you have hybrid graphics. Doesn't seem to work properly at all :(
[19:28] <jarle> jcgs: what do you mean by hybrid?
[19:29] <BluesKaj> !optimus
[19:29] <BluesKaj> oops , forgot that factois was dropped
[19:29] <BluesKaj> factoid
[19:31] <BluesKaj> jarle, it's dual gpu system for laptops that helps save battery power by only using the hi power gpu when the graphics load needs it
[19:31] <jarle> BluesKaj: ahh, yeah I know what it is
[19:32] <alesan> BluesKaj, I think I have something like that, but I disabled the "hi power" completely in the BIOS
[19:32] <alesan> what could be more wasteful?
[19:32] <alesan> I am not playing or doing accelerated 3D
[19:32] <alesan> in the last computer anyway there was a defect, that is only the hi power graphics could drive the DVI output
[19:32] <alesan> so I had to use VGA
[19:33] <alesan> for the external monitor
[19:33] <BluesKaj> alesan, it depends on your requirements and what you like , not eveyone uses an austere look or graphics.
[19:34] <jcgs> jarle: My laptop has an amd card and an intel card in it. they work fine together on windows but the x drivers won't play nice together :(
[19:35] <jcgs> currently i'm limited to text terminal only :(
[19:35] <jarle> jcgs: are you saying that hybrid GPU will work better in 12.10??
[19:37] <jcgs> jarle: yes. soooooooo much. when i installed on this laptop i had to use the driver packages from some guy's ppa and that fixed it fine. unfortunately it is proving much more difficult in 13.04 :(
[19:38] <alesan> BluesKaj, and why would anybody need a hi-power graphics for that?
[19:38] <jcgs> jarle: the default install leaves you stuck on the
[19:38] <alesan> the intel graphics is more than fine for desktop effects
[19:38] <jarle> jcgs: personally I have found other distros to work better on laptops than *buntu
[19:38] <jcgs> alesan: but not for watching hi def videos
[19:39] <alesan> jarle, on the contrary I find kubuntu to work extremely well on laptops
[19:39] <alesan> jcgs, not true; the best way to watch hi def videos is to have a hardware colorspace conversion and scaler. that is beautifully implemented by vx
[19:40] <jcgs> jarle: orly? like which ones? i've never managed to make fedora work at all, even on my old laptop with totally standard run-of-the-mill intel graphics. opensuse was annoying because i couldn't install flash. i also doubt i will be able to install soptify on it as well
[19:40] <alesan> and intel supports it well. I can play my H.264 full HD 60fps content very well with intel
[19:40] <jarle> jcgs: I found fedora to be the best match for *my* laptop :)
[19:41] <jcgs> alesan: unfortunately most of the hi def stuff i watch is from bbc iplayer, and is therefore served in flash >:(
[19:42] <BluesKaj> alesan, they would not for a "minimalist look" , but for desktop effects which most ppl like , a higher powered gpu is a bonus.
[19:43] <alesan> BluesKaj, I had the effects turned one when I first installed the Kubuntu and intel was just fine
[19:43] <alesan> I disabled them because I do not like them
[19:44] <jcgs> alesan: if only the bbc would deliver videos in h.264 :)
[19:44] <alesan> keep in mind the intel solution is like a GPU of few years ago, so still quite powerful in terms of 3D
[19:44] <alesan> of course if you pla to run the latest games... well
[19:45] <alesan> jcgs, I am not sure about BBC as I do not watch TV, but youtube at full screen 1920x1080 is just fine with intel and I see absolutely no reason why a more advanced graphic card would help at all
[19:45] <jcgs> alesan: i did buy this laptop with gaming in mind, at least as a possibility
[19:46] <alesan> flash does internal compositing so it is even less dependent on graphics card than other multimedia players
[19:46] <alesan> jcgs, games are one of the few reasons I see to enable the "discrete" card
[19:46] <jcgs> alesan: anyway, now that this graphics card exists in my laptop, i would like to be able to use it
[19:47] <jcgs> and hybrid graphics cards are only going to get more common in laptops i would assume
[19:47] <alesan> jcgs, keep in mind it will run much hotter; if you disable it even when powered, likely your laptop will shut off all the fans
[19:47] <alesan> unless you do sometihng very CPU intensive, but that should not happen most of the time
[19:47] <jcgs> alesan: fan runs low most of the time
[19:48] <jcgs> alesan: it's running now, even though i'm only in text mode :(
[19:48] <alesan> exactly, that is because you have the "discrete" graphics active
[19:49] <alesan> if you disable it completely in the BIOS chances are that it will stop while CPU is not loaded much
[19:49] <jcgs> alesan: but i don't want to disable it, i want to use it :)
[19:49] <alesan> your choice
[19:54] <jcgs> any the reason i came here is that my x server currently segfaults on launch :( would anybody mind taking a look at my logfile to see if they can interpret the information. It seems to be doing fine until it just dies :(
[19:55] <jcgs> if anybody could give me a tip on how to use pastebin in text mode, that would also be appreciated :)
[19:59] <BluesKaj> hmm, guess the bouncer dropped my connection momentarily
[21:32] <sickel-cell> is there any microcontoler in which we can feed opencv coads ?
[21:33] <alesan> opencv coads?
[21:33] <alesan> explain?
[21:34] <depesz> hi. i'm trying to install 13.04, but I want to use lvm - but for some reason, I can't pick lvm when partitioning disks.
[21:34] <depesz> is it a known problem, or am i doing something wrong?
[21:34] <sickel-cell> an imageprocessing coad todetect circular shape
[21:34] <sickel-cell> code is working on pc
[21:34] <alesan> what is a coad? an OpenCV data structure?
[21:35] <alesan> sickel-cell, first of all I'd ask on #opencv instead of Kubuntu
[21:38] <samskiter__> hi, my kde taskbar has dissappeared. alt+f2 doesnt work, but ctrl+alt+f2 does. could someone please give me a command to run to get my taskbar back please?
[21:40] <BluesKaj> samskiter__, if your at+f2 isn't working try the run command in desktop right click dialog box
[21:40] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: doesnt work :)
[21:41] <BluesKaj> samskiter__, no addpanel ?
[21:41] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: ?
[21:42] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: i managed to move the windows and find the cashewnut and right click it and click "run command..." but nothing hpens
[21:42] <BluesKaj> samskiter__,is there the cashew in right corner of the pabel
[21:42] <BluesKaj> panel
[21:42] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: yes,
[21:42] <BluesKaj> try installing the the plasma-desktop
[21:43] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: via ctrl+alt+f2 ?
[21:43] <BluesKaj> yes , if you can't get a terminal or muon
[21:44] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: what makes you think i need to install something?
[21:44] <BluesKaj> you're missing patrs of the plasma desktop it seems , but if you think so then I'm out of ideas
[21:45] <samskiter__> BluesKaj: its only just stopped working (i tried to suspend to ram)
[21:45] <BluesKaj> and I have to go anyway , others can help you since you're crossposting
[21:45] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter__:  DESKTOP=:0 plasma-desktop should do the trick
[21:45] <samskiter__> also, apt-get cant get lock
[21:46] <samskiter__> RiotingPacifist: got an error about cannor find d-bus session server
[21:46] <samskiter__> then pipe closed
[21:47] <samskiter__> unexpectedly
[21:47] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter__: check dmesg for errors, is your /var (or hdd full)?
[21:48] <samskiter__> oh the first message was trhat the d-bus connection was created before qcoreapplication
[21:49] <samskiter__> cant see anything in dmesg RiotingPacifist. no idea how to check the other stuff
[21:50] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter__: is there anything open in xorg that you want to keep, restarting kdm should bring up your desktop cleanly
[21:51] <samskiter__> RiotingPacifist: yea ill probably just restart. i was just seeing if there was an easy way of doing this for if it happens again
[21:51] <samskiter__>  (like in windows, get task manager open then use that to run explorer.exe)
[21:52] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter__: if something has gone very wrong a restart isn't always a good idea
[21:52] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter__: you could use top to see if something has gone crazy on the dekstop
[21:53] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: what am i looking for ?
[21:54] <RiotingPacifist> the top entry in top, how much cpu is it eating and what is it?
[21:57] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: that would be dropbox @ around 40%
[21:59] <RiotingPacifist> hmm 40% seems a little high, what happens if you try DISPLAY=:0 xterm
[22:00] <samskiter> oooh
[22:00] <samskiter> i got a thing
[22:00] <samskiter> BUT i cant seem to change the kleyboard focus to anything other than this window (chrome)
[22:01] <samskiter> haha! what is it with me and linux. i always get the strangest issues
[22:01] <RiotingPacifist> ahh try, DISPLAY=:0 kwin
[22:02] <samskiter> hmmm im not sure that worked
[22:02] <RiotingPacifist> it sounds like your window manager has died, this means you can't change focus and certain apps (like plasma will go crazy/die)
[22:02] <samskiter> BadWindow error
[22:03] <samskiter> (got the same "session D-bus connection created before QCoreApplication" error"
[22:03] <samskiter> as the first error)
[22:03] <samskiter> followed by Badwindow
[22:03] <RiotingPacifist> does the xterm window now have decorations/borders?
[22:03] <Artakha> that stuff shouldn't stop kwin from functioning
[22:03] <RiotingPacifist> "QDBusConnection: session D-Bus connection created before QCoreApplication. Application may misbehave." is OK, everything tends to work
[22:04] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: ill have a try
[22:05] <samskiter> yea! i can switch keyboard focus!
[22:05] <samskiter> ok. now what? :P
[22:07] <RiotingPacifist> in xterm try plasa-desktop
[22:07] <RiotingPacifist> *plasma-desktop
[22:08] <samskiter> dont think that worked
[22:09] <samskiter> got that QDBusConnection error twice
[22:11] <RiotingPacifist> that error is normal, are your menus back?
[22:12] <samskiter> nope
[22:15] <RiotingPacifist> try krunner
[22:15] <RiotingPacifist> does alt+f2 work now? if not what error (other than dbus stuff) do you get?
[22:16] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: krunner doesnt work. same error: ie i get the QDbus error twice.
[22:16] <samskiter> alt+f2 doesnt work
[22:17] <samskiter> alt+f2 gives no error. nothing happens
[22:19] <RiotingPacifist> hmm, not sure what is up, try checking ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/syslog and df for anything
[22:19] <RiotingPacifist> just tail them to see the last few errors (e.g tail ~/.xsession-errors ) then pastebin the results if nothing jumps out
[22:20] <RiotingPacifist> *jumps out as an obvious cause
[22:20] <samskiter> i cant copy paste
[22:20] <samskiter>  / i dont know how to
[22:21] <RiotingPacifist> In xterm run konsole (stupid workaround but I don't know how to copy-paste from xterm either) then in konsole ctrl+shit+c is copy (ctrl+shift+v is paste)
[22:22] <samskiter> cool
[22:23] <samskiter> yea its ok. right click works on konsole :)
[22:23] <samskiter> http://pastebin.com/t9Ss9xGC
[22:24] <samskiter> http://pastebin.com/vjuFhvBK
[22:25] <samskiter> http://pastebin.com/8ZtffY7D
[22:26] <RiotingPacifist> right so none of them seem to show errors, try pgrep krunner , then if that shows anything pkill krunner, pgrep krunner again
[22:27] <samskiter> pgrep krunner shows 2200
[22:28] <RiotingPacifist> ok so kill it with pkill krunner, then check it's dead by running pgrep krunner again, it looks like krunner (provides alt+f2) has gone crazy and is ignoring you
[22:28] <samskiter> and then i did it again
[22:28] <samskiter> but nothing reallly happened
[22:29] <samskiter> alt+f2 still does nothing
[22:29] <RiotingPacifist> ok but now pgrep krunner shows nothing right?
[22:29] <samskiter> yup
[22:29] <samskiter> and i tried alt+f2 again and nothing happened
[22:30] <samskiter> should i be trying to run krunner again
[22:30] <samskiter> AHAAAA
[22:30] <RiotingPacifist> yep, now krunner is dead try starting it
[22:30] <samskiter> alt+f2 isd working
[22:30] <samskiter> now what
[22:30] <samskiter> plasma-desktop?
[22:30] <RiotingPacifist> do the same kill it, check it's dead then restart it
[22:31] <JLP> samskiter: if you rightclick on desktop and select Run Command, this should start krunner again
[22:32] <samskiter> YAAAAY
[22:32] <samskiter> so i needed to restart plasma-desktop
[22:32] <samskiter> via pkill
[22:32] <samskiter> but i had to get xterm up to do that
[22:32] <samskiter> ok
[22:32] <RiotingPacifist> yeah, i guess it had gone funny too, what version of kubuntu are you on?
[22:33] <samskiter> the latest
[22:33] <samskiter> 13.04
[22:33] <samskiter> it updated a couple of days ago
[22:33] <RiotingPacifist> have you restarted since the update
[22:33] <samskiter> (i didnt actually realise i was updating lubuntu at the time)
[22:33] <samskiter> yes
[22:34] <RiotingPacifist> hmm, it's bad that it's a bit unstable but hopefully they will iron out the bugs soon (e.g before i switch :P)
[22:34] <samskiter> ill restart again now i think haha
[22:34] <samskiter> haha all the fancy kde visual stuff is gone
[22:34] <samskiter> its like im running without windows aero
[22:34] <samskiter> ok. be back after rebooot...
[22:34] <samskiter> thanks so much
[22:34] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: yeah a restart (or oftem sudo service kdm restart) is often much quicker but being able to troubleshoot is often useful
[22:35] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: np, it sounds like you have graphics card drivers missing
[22:35] <genii-around> RiotingPacifist: lightdm now, not kdm
[22:35] <samskiter> gfx card is the issue for sure
[22:35] <samskiter> i was trying to sleep at the tim
[22:35] <samskiter> like suspend to ram
[22:35] <samskiter> and got a neuveau error
[22:35] <samskiter> stupid nvidia
[22:36] <samskiter> also
[22:36] <samskiter> window switching still isnt workiung
[22:36] <samskiter> like clicking studdf on the taskbar does nothing
[22:36] <samskiter> ha
[22:36] <RiotingPacifist> thanks genii-around
[22:37] <RiotingPacifist> yeah, to restore gfx without reboot you can hit alt+shift+f12 , but it sounds like your graphics drivers arn't powerful enough for one (or more) of the desktop effects you are using
[22:38] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: they definitely are haha
[22:38] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: geforce 635m. this laptop is only a year old
[22:38] <samskiter> and im using default desktop settings
[22:39] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: The drivers not the card, nouveau can't get the most out of the card as they are not written by Nvidia themselves
[22:40] <samskiter> oooook. well it works majority of time. but i have issues with suspend to ram
[22:40] <samskiter> so presumably the driver packed in and then i had all these issues.
[22:40] <samskiter> how do i switch windows
[22:40] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: it depends how you installed it, if you are dualbooting it will show up in a menu during reboot
[22:41] <samskiter> no
[22:41] <samskiter> how do i switch between windows
[22:41] <samskiter> like the taskbar isnt working
[22:41] <samskiter> clicking different programs/windows does nothing
[22:41] <samskiter> its as if starting plasma-desktop wasnt enough
[22:42] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: alt+tab shoudl work as long as the window decorations are about
[22:42] <genii-around> samskiter: alt-tab usually
[22:42] <samskiter> nope
[22:42] <samskiter> doesnt do anything
[22:42] <samskiter> already tried that :(
[22:43] <RiotingPacifist> in konsole try kwin --replace
[22:45] <samskiter> nope
[22:45] <samskiter> lots changed
[22:45] <samskiter> and i briefly lost the ability to keyboard focue
[22:45] <samskiter> focus
[22:46] <samskiter>  (had to open xterm again and then do kwin)
[22:46] <samskiter> but i still cant switch windows
[22:46] <samskiter> haha this is hilarious
[22:46] <samskiter> my session is SO f*ed up
[22:50] <samskiter> ok im going to shutdown then
[22:50] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: yeah I'd look at installing the nvidia drivers once your back up again, definetly something wierd going on
[22:53] <nick_omega> kubuntu froze.  is there a log file for checking out why
[22:54] <RiotingPacifist> nick_omega: try dmesg, /var/log/syslog, ~/.xsession-errors and df
[22:55] <nick_omega> RiotingPacifist, there could be several things to check for in the logs i bet
[22:56] <RiotingPacifist> yep, try using tail first as this will just show you the recent events
[22:59] <nick_omega> RiotingPacifist, what sort of keywords would you look for
[22:59] <nick_omega> in the tail
[23:00] <RiotingPacifist> nick_omega: not sure if it's a serious problem i should jump out
[23:00] <nafg> Help, my mouse pointer keeps jumping back
[23:01] <RiotingPacifist> nafg: shiney surface?
[23:01] <nafg> RiotingPacifist: Actually it's a touchpad :)
[23:02] <nafg> synaptics
[23:02] <RiotingPacifist> is it jumping while your typing?
[23:02] <nafg> I'm sliding my finger, say left to right,
[23:02] <nafg> and all of a sudden the mouse pointer is where it was a microsecond ago
[23:02] <nafg> so instead of moving gradually from x=0 to x=1000, it goes from 0-600 then 500-1000
[23:03] <nafg> Does that make sense?
[23:03] <nafg> It's like there's a race condition between something that's setting the pointer location
[23:03] <nafg> to where it thinks it still is
[23:03] <samskiter> hi again RiotingPacifist
[23:03] <samskiter> shutdown hung
[23:04] <samskiter> and  ended up REISUBing
[23:04] <RiotingPacifist> nafg: I've never come accross that, you might want to stick arround see if anybody else has or try #ubuntu/#xorg
[23:04] <samskiter> thanks alot for the help though
[23:05] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: np, certainly sounds like a driver problem
[23:06] <samskiter> RiotingPacifist: yea i have endless ones of those. my linux experience has never been smooth
[23:13] <RiotingPacifist> samskiter: yeah your two options are open source but relatively slow, or closed source, faster but more prone to issues when there are upgrades, ofc the alternative (always pretty slow intel cards) isn't great either