[09:38] <czajkowski> I'd be well pissed if someone decided to bring a kid even if I said no kids
[09:38] <mungbean> they said because of space on the invite.
[09:38] <diplo> yeah I didn't want them at mine, I love kids ( have 2 ) but not at my wedding day :D
[09:38] <czajkowski> *shrugs*
[09:38] <mungbean> obviously i would ask first maybe infomrally via another channel
[09:38] <czajkowski> if others do the same thing, then eventually there will be no space :)
[09:38] <mungbean> babes in arms is not the same as kids
[09:38] <czajkowski> mungbean: you clearly haev your mind made up :)
[09:38] <Myrtti> go and ask them.
[09:38] <Myrtti> I'm sure you'll get some kind of an answer.
[09:38] <mungbean> i will find out, but not ask directly in case they feel obliged to say yes
[09:39] <Myrtti> this discussion makes my mind set more and more for elopement
[09:39] <Myrtti> less hassle++
[09:39] <czajkowski> Myrtti: true, and people tend to not respect peoples wishes
[09:39] <czajkowski> which is shite tbh
[09:40] <Myrtti> I wouldn't know about that, I've never organised anything where I've had other wishes than "please come"
[09:40] <Myrtti> and I've tried not to organise anything too.
[09:40] <Myrtti> I escaped my 30th birthday to a cottage in Cornwall.
[09:40] <czajkowski> hehe I went to canada for mine
[09:40] <czajkowski> and managed to upset my entire family by doing so
[09:41] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:41] <BigRedS> Gooood Morning!
[09:42] <bigcalm> Vietnam?
[09:42] <Myrtti> I should continue my jumper.
[09:44] <diplo> I'm going to go away for my birthday for the same reason
[09:46] <Myrtti> my main reason was to give my family and relatives an excuse to not get me any presents and for me to escape the harsh reality that I wouldn't get anything useful or reciprocal to what I've given them anyway
[09:49] <BigRedS> I've never understood the idea of a useful present
[09:50] <BigRedS> I always buy people useless tat
[09:50] <mungbean> amazon wish list seems to work well for my family
[09:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> We had a "no kids" wedding. Totally Black Tie event. Would have been outraged if anyone had brought a kid along. In fact I would have kicked them out.
[09:50] <diplo> Myrtti: I'd rather I didn't get anything, but people never listen :)
[09:50] <BigRedS> "Kits will be shot on sight"
[09:50] <BigRedS> er, kids
[09:50] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer: My uncle and auntie still brought their kids, even though I had explicitly called her and told her why :/
[09:51] <mungbean> i think i go to different kind of weddings
[09:51] <diplo> heh, most of the weddings i go to allow kids mungbean
[09:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: I would have evicted them.
[09:51] <diplo> Mine was on a very tight budget ( i paid ) and I also didn't want kids there :)
[09:51] <mungbean> most of my family are erally close and would love to have kids but there's just not enough room
[09:52] <diplo> Should have done yeah, my ex was quite annoyed
[09:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> It is the bride and groom's day. If they do not want kids then they DO NOT WANT KIDS. What is so hard to understand?
[09:52] <mungbean> because it's not as clear cut
[09:52] <diplo> If i was in your position, I'd either have one of us go or find a sitter and pop back if possible
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Either you accept kids or you don't.
[09:53] <diplo> We did that a few times over the years
[09:53] <Myrtti> BigRedS: either a consumable (sauces, jams, cookies, yarn, tea, book, giftcard works) or a piece of kit or tool or something else useful that they've heard me talk about. I buy my nieces and nephews mobile phone charging cable, hair straightener iron, shaving kit, laptop batteries and harddrives, mobile phone covers etc.
[09:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hold a separate event for families and have a bouncy castle ;-)
[09:54] <mungbean> i'm obviously gonna ask, but there will be a couple of close friends who will have v young babies that are a bit young to stay with anyone else, and would be carried etc, hence without baby then cannot come
[09:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> In my boat that means they don't come then.
[09:54] <diplo> heh, I never know what to buy Myrtti. I am so awful at buying anything
[09:54] <mungbean> in which case, sometimes the couple say, of course bring the sprog, it's cos we don't have room for 1-15yr olds
[09:54] <mungbean> and other people say nope
[09:55] <mungbean> depends on the couple though
[09:55] <mungbean> its rude to not ask of course
[09:55] <Myrtti> atleast this Christmas I didn't get any cosmetics after telling people that I still have about 40kilos of Bodyshop stuff and I won't use them in my lifetime
[09:55] <mungbean> i used to imagine that after my nan died we'd find a room stacked to the ceriling with oil of ulay
[09:55] <Myrtti> "do not buy me moisturiser or bath bubbles, I won't be able to go through it"
[09:56] <DJones> We said no kids at our wedding, the only exception turned out to be an Aunty who was so near full term that she started with labour pain during the evening reception, didn't end up having the baby until 2 days later though
[09:56] <diplo> hah DJones, that would have been fun
[09:56] <diplo> An event to remember for everyone
[09:56] <DJones> IT would have made a mess of the dance floor
[09:57] <diplo> :)
[09:57] <mungbean> just anyone have any just cause ...ARTTTTTGFHGHGHGHHH
[09:57] <mungbean> iIIITITISSS COMING
[09:57] <Myrtti> WINTER IS COMING
[09:57] <Myrtti> PREPARE YOURSELVES!
[09:57] <DJones> mungbean: Is that with DJ playing pop-goes-the-weazel tune
[09:58] <diplo> Mates just sent me a image from his 35 holiday, says it's live the med on the devon coast, not sure if i like him anymore
[09:58] <diplo> :(
[09:58] <diplo> 35 quid*
[09:58] <mungbean> scummer
[09:58] <MooDoo> diplo: disown him
[09:58] <mungbean> i went to devon in june
[09:58] <mungbean> rain EVERY DAY
[09:59] <Myrtti> I should get on with planning the wedding tho
[09:59] <Myrtti> been nearly a year since I got my ring
[09:59] <mungbean> weddings are overrated
[09:59] <diplo> I need to plan my divorce :(
[09:59] <diplo> Put it off for 2 1/2 years already
[09:59] <MooDoo> diplo: :(
[10:00] <BigRedS> Myrtti: yeah, I generally get odd bits of outdoorsy/motorbikey/computery tat and trivia. I've been carrying around a bottle opener that I got that way for about 10 years now...
[10:00] <diplo> it costs sooooooo much!!!
[10:00] <mungbean> solicitor fees?
[10:00] <MooDoo> diplo: got kids?
[10:00] <mungbean> i keep watching hoarders next door and being inspired to tidy
[10:00] <diplo> Just everything, can get married for like 50 quid, going to cost me 7-800 to get divorced. yeah MooDoo
[10:00] <MooDoo> diplo: ah crap
[10:00] <diplo> She left me so I feel she should pay for it :/
[10:01] <czajkowski> diplo: why didnt you just ask them to leave
[10:02] <diplo> Because they had driven 200 miles, and didn't want to cause a family row, they kept them out of the way most of the time.
[10:02] <mungbean> the wedding is in sussex, one of you can go as my SO then
[10:02] <czajkowski> thats still shite
[10:02] <MooDoo> +1
[10:02] <awilkins> The wedding industry is like a country of ghouls that prey on the memories of Disney dreams that grown women carry from their childhood.
[10:02] <diplo> Yep, I even phoned them previously so my dad didn't have to do it and cause him any agro
[10:02] <czajkowski> and people who do it as they know the people who requested not to bring kids are ding it to suit themselves
[10:02] <mungbean> awilkins: creepy but lol
[10:03] <diplo> Well I got invited to one of the cousins wedding but didn't go in spite last year :D
[10:03] <awilkins> Seriously, paying £12,000 so 200 of my wife's relatives who I don't know (or care to know) can sit down to a chicken dinner in their Sunday best is not my idea of a useful spend
[10:03] <diplo> Should have taken my 2 boys up there though really, would have shown them!
[10:03] <diplo> :P
[10:03] <mungbean> weddings shouldn't be so massive, since if couples live together they are practically married already, and if they didn't then the marriage is the occasion, not the wedding
[10:04] <czajkowski> such a manly way of thinking lads :)
[10:04] <diplo> yeah my wedding itself was 40 people, evening about 120
[10:04] <mungbean> its always interesting looking at guest list of your wedding to think, why did i invite them?
[10:04] <diplo> Was great, everyone got totally drunk and did stupid dancing and stuff, most relaxed wedding i'd been to in years if i don't say so myself
[10:04]  * bigcalm intends to have a jolly good wedding in October. And a happy ever after. No Disney required :)
[10:05] <diplo> mungbean: I didn't invite any of the should I/ shouldn't I people, made that decision early on
[10:05] <czajkowski> I think every wedding is unique and cant really be compared tbh
[10:05] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I found some cufflinks!
[10:05] <awilkins> czajkowski, Wouldn't mind unique - would much prefer an effort to make unique memories every year
[10:05] <mungbean> i was so nervous for wedding i didn't enjoy it
[10:05] <diplo> I hate weddings themselves, would love to go to one of these ones where they dance and stuff, now that would make it less formal
[10:06] <bigcalm> Came by fedex this morning http://www.etsy.com/listing/61040400/sterling-silver-pacman-cufflinks
[10:06] <czajkowski> if ne group[ asks 200 people and the other 20 it's still their choice and their prerogative
[10:06] <davmor2> Morning all from 13.04 at last, shuggin fashin uefi
[10:06]  * mungbean has spitfire ones
[10:06] <czajkowski> bigcalm: nice
[10:06] <diplo> Never owned any cufflinks
[10:06]  * TheOpenSourcerer thought ours was brilliant.
[10:06] <czajkowski> I do like black tie events though
[10:07] <czajkowski> went to a lot of them in college any excuse to get into a ball gown
[10:07] <awilkins> But weddings are largely cookie cutter assembly line jobs in my XP - they have a whole industry dedicated to stamping them out and extracting the money from flowers, photos, party favours, chocolates to sit on the tables, cake, table decorations, balloons, the anchors you tie the balloons to ... etc etc etc etc etc
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> We got married here and had the reception etc.
[10:07] <diplo> Never been to one myself
[10:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.clandonpark.co.uk/
[10:07] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: nice
[10:08] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I also have a set of minecraft ones coming from the US http://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/105932237/minecraft-creeper-cuff-links-laser-cut
[10:08] <czajkowski> awilkins: ours tend to be different and start off in church, and if not there, a pub before hand, then church, then post pup and then off to hotel foods drinks dancing and most definately ear hours singining
[10:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> Went to one in Sligo that was a real craick czajkowski
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> We all had to "do a trun" at the reception - much fun.
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/trun/turn
[10:09] <czajkowski> aye mates one started at 2pm that was the drnks in the pub oposite the church and finished up at 6am and back up for 10am fry up followed by BBQ
[10:09] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: great night last friday! cant wait for next year.
[10:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh jeez - will you be coming again then?
[10:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
[10:10]  * diplo wants to do a release party at some point, always falls when I have the kids :/
[10:10] <bigcalm> diplo: have a release party with them
[10:11] <DJones> Last wedding I was at was South AFrican themed, normal church wedding first, then wedding breakfast with south african bbq'd food, evening had south african drummers & dancers
[10:11] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: and we have the RAT to look forward to
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a release party with a bouncy castle and/or water pistols ;-)
[10:11] <czajkowski> but wont be as yummy ciders :(
[10:11] <diplo> My youngest would be bored, my eldest already uses my ubuntu machine, just gets on and uses it, never asked why it's different from his windows laptop :)
[10:11] <SuperMatt> mmm... ciders
[10:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Feck - you coming on that too?
[10:11] <diplo> Kids are great
[10:12] <mungbean> my 3yr old was sitting in bed this morning and had a piece of paper and crayon
[10:12] <mungbean> then he wrote his name
[10:12] <diplo> DJones: That sounds a great wedding, all the ones I attend bore me to death
[10:12] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: yup ;)
[10:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> Oh lovely...
[10:12] <diplo> mungbean: first time ?
[10:12] <mungbean> completely independently . i was amazed
[10:12] <mungbean> yes
[10:12] <MooDoo> mungbean my 18 month old had paper and a crayon then though it would be more fun to write on the carpet
[10:12] <mungbean> it actually loked like proper letters
[10:12] <diplo> Cool, it's great the first time, they start writing everywhere else soon
[10:13] <diplo> Got my first name writing in a box in the loft, good memories
[10:13] <mungbean> yeah we used to put crayons back in a special tin
[10:13] <DJones> diplo: It was good, Cousin was born in SA & lived there for about 14 years before moving back to the UK,
[10:13] <mungbean> he has a mario booklet with paper in
[10:13] <mungbean> mario ,shaun the sheep and ninja warrior are faves atm
[10:15] <diplo> IF and that's a big if I ever get married again, I defo want to do something slightly different
[10:16] <DJones> Didn't somebody get married while doing a bungee jump (I seem to remember seeing pictures in the newspapers), That would be different :)
[10:17] <diplo> Sounds great, or a skydive!!
[10:17] <DJones> Yep, I thought I'd seen it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084734/Pictured-The-couple-wedding-kiss-upside-bungee-line.html
[10:18] <diplo> hah great!
[10:20] <DJones> Wasn't quite what I thought though, I had visions of bride & groom, vicar & witnesses bouncing up & down at the bottom of the bungee rope reciting the wedding vows
[10:21] <diplo> heh, I thought that as well. But 7k! ooer
[10:43] <bigcalm> Anybody know how I use openjdk-6 on 13.04?
[10:44] <directhex> 6?
[10:44] <bigcalm> 6
[10:44] <directhex> you don't
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: see if there is a 6 first
[10:44] <directhex> well, you could download sun java from oracle
[10:44] <bigcalm> usc says that 6 is installed
[10:44] <bigcalm> (as well as 7)
[10:45] <directhex> left over from quantal
[10:45] <directhex> sudo update-alternatives --config java
[10:45] <bigcalm> I did a fresh install
[10:45] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:46] <bigcalm> Yep, listed 6. Thanks
[10:47] <SuperMatt> java /o\
[10:49] <bigcalm> I know jack about java. Makes getting this app to run rather tricky
[10:49]  * bigcalm pokes the developer some more
[10:50] <SuperMatt> java's OK for my first programming language
[10:51] <brobostigon> how do i remove a package, properly, that i installed via a debian package,?
[10:51] <MooDoo> sudo apt-get --purge remove xxxxx won't that work for you?
[10:52] <MooDoo> or is it delete, can never remember
[10:52] <brobostigon> i am trying to work it out, aswell.
[10:52] <SuperMatt> you can just use apt-get purge
[10:52] <brobostigon> apt-get purge packagename ?
[10:52] <SuperMatt> yup
[10:52] <brobostigon> ok, thank you.
[10:53] <SuperMatt> that'll remove all config files too
[10:54] <brobostigon> yes, it did, :)
[10:56] <SuperMatt> good
[10:56] <brobostigon> just migrating something, from one vps to another, that has more free resources.
[11:05] <MooDoo> brobostigon: oooo fun :)
[11:06] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :) yes, openvpn-as
[11:06] <MooDoo> can't say I've used that....
[11:07] <brobostigon> it is assentially a preconfigured, easy to install package, that does most of the openvpn configuration for you.
[11:07] <MooDoo> yeah just read about it online.
[11:08] <brobostigon> the licence is limited to two people, doesnt bother me, as i will be the only person using it,
[11:09] <brobostigon> oh dear, that would have made things easier, they have a debian repo for their packages,
[11:09] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[11:09] <MooDoo> lol
[11:09] <brobostigon> would make removing also easier,
[11:10] <brobostigon> need to work out, ipv6 on it next.
[11:12] <SuperMatt> I'm not looking forward to the day I have to learn about ipv6 D:
[11:13] <brobostigon> i have had ipv6 here at home, using radvd and a tunnel, on my wrt54gl, for atleast the last year.
[11:13] <mgdm> I need to put a different firmware onto my GL so I can do IPv6
[11:13] <brobostigon> if i remeber, it has a version of openwrt.
[11:14] <mgdm> apparently the default DD-WRT firmware includes a gadget to make old Xboxes be able to play games across the internet, instead of IPv6
[11:14] <directhex> i'm waiting for BT to catch up with the glorious ipv6 future
[11:14] <directhex> i cba with tunneling
[11:14] <mgdm> so I need the firmware for weird people who never owned an old Xbox
[11:15] <directhex> xlink kai?
[11:15] <directhex> iirc
[11:15] <mgdm> something like that
[11:16] <mgdm> It seems an awfully niche feature to be in there by default, instead of something useful
[12:01] <ali1234> if you want useful use openwrt
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> \o/ openwrt
[12:03] <brobostigon> :)
[12:04] <MooDoo> my router doesn't support it
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> I decided which router to buy based on OpenWRT workingness
[12:05] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, I will buy my NEXT router based on OpenWRT workingness (current one is getting a bit long in tooth)
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: WDR4300 from TP-Link
[12:05] <MartijnVdS> seems to be the choice of the moment
[12:05] <awilkins> Not sure what bands my wifi bridge downstairs supports either
[12:05] <awilkins> :-(
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> that one is dual-band
[12:07] <MartijnVdS> though I turned down the txpower of the 2.4GHz bit so devices actually pick 5GHz
[12:08] <awilkins> The MythTV box is on a bridge
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> ooh exciting.. new king is going to do his oath now
[12:09] <awilkins> Because wake on lan doesn't work on wifi
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> awilkins: wake-on-wifi is a thing
[12:09] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, Didn't work at the time - box is over 10 years old
[12:09] <awilkins> MartijnVdS, It's an ageing Sempron
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> ah, I can see why then :)
[12:10] <awilkins> It's weathered really well, even if it is now running off a cannibalised ATX power supply hanging out the back of the case because it won't fit
[12:11] <awilkins> Problem is I can't be bothered to upgrade it until we go HD
[12:11] <awilkins> TVs that fit into my requirements just get cheaper and better every year...
[12:11] <ali1234> any router that supports dd-wrt supports openwrt, because dd-wrt is just openwrt repackaged for xbox bros
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> same problem as PCs really ;)
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: not really.. some high-end hardware has for-pay dd-wrt
[12:12] <awilkins> I guess I'll buy when the power requirements of my current big heavy CRT exceed the cost of a new one
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: and no openwrt target
[12:12] <awilkins> But for now I like my viewing angle and true blacks
[12:12] <awilkins> Maybe when you can get OLED in 28" or better
[12:12] <awilkins> (can you?)
[12:13] <awilkins> I mean, I know they've been showing off Stupidly-Expensive-Giant-o-Vision OLEDs
[12:13] <awilkins> With curved screens just because they can (tm)
[12:14] <SuperMatt> woo, successful raring upgrade :)
[12:19] <bigcalm> I want to upgrade, but I also want to know for definite that my workstation will continue to be as usable as it is right now with 12.10. Curse my unique set-up
[12:19]  * bigcalm consoles himself with a lunch break trip to Maplin
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> /dev/console?
[12:21] <bigcalm> Hehe
[12:21] <bigcalm> I've been doing work on a serial console. Correct spelling is optional on IRC ;)
[12:23] <ocean22> Hi guys.
[12:23] <ocean22> Not sure if this is an ubuntu problem and I can post this up here. Guide me to the right place if it must be at some other places please.
[12:23] <ocean22> I am using ubuntu 13.04 with mozilla firefox as the web browser (default version on ubuntu 13.04). I have noticed that firefox stop streaming some media content around 15 to 20s (that is after playing the add) but keep saying “buffering” but would never play it again. I had this issue with previous versions of ubuntu but google chrome browser was spared but seems its chromium broswser (installed from repo) is affected on ubuntu
[12:23] <ocean22>  13.04.
[12:23] <ocean22> but intrestingly, youtube has never been affected and still not. i ahvent done anything apart from installing ubuntu restricted extras to start playing youtube videos.
[12:23] <ocean22> please see a link to one of the websites where it happens
[12:23] <ocean22> http://www.manoramanews.com/cgi-bin/...d=14&BV_ID=@@@
[12:23] <ocean22> please guide me and any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
[12:24] <mungbean> i get this problem with 4od website
[12:24] <mungbean> i don't think its client related but a server issue
[12:24] <mungbean> series 1 of a programme worked
[12:24] <mungbean> series 2 didn't
[12:25] <SuperMatt> if you have an add blocker install, 4od might not work
[12:25] <mungbean> tried that
[13:18] <hoover> join #puppet
[13:18] <hoover> oops, sorry ;)
[13:24] <MooDoo> lol
[13:30] <oly> hi, anyone know if there is a way to see what webapps are detected by firefox / chrome ?
[13:31] <oly> having real issues making them work and i constantly hit road blocks, but if they dont load its difficult to know why
[14:20] <dwatkins> oly: what do you mean by webapps?
[15:05] <sara_> ali1234, hi
[15:29] <popey> Morning!
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> \o
[15:33] <MooDoo> morning popey
[15:40] <davmor2> popey: pfff might be for you, some of us have been working hard for hours already,  although I'm glad to be here rather than at the sprint to be honest, sprints scrambles your head with info overload :)
[15:40] <popey> sprints are great
[15:41] <oly> dwatkins, the unity webapp integration
[15:42] <oly> figured it out in the end, syntax error in javascript
[15:42] <oly> i found out the chrome version of the plugin has debug options you can enable
[15:42] <sara_> popey,  hej
[15:42] <oly> could not find the same in firefox though
[15:44] <MooDoo> davmor2: hulllooooooo
[15:52] <davmor2> MooDoo: how am ya
[15:58] <MooDoo> davmor2: yes great
[16:03] <dwatkins> oly: aha
[16:04] <dwatkins> sara_: any joy with the bluetooth?
[16:34] <sara_> :)
[17:11] <brobostigon> wow, they are advertising ST 12 on tv, amazing,
[17:13] <brobostigon> omfg, google play updated itself auto-magically, wow.
[17:25] <sara_> :'(  I watched a very sick video today
[17:25] <sara_> it was part of a tv programme about the RSPCA
[17:26] <sara_> they raided apuppy farm, and showed what they found, including footage of some puppies in the back garden which had been burried alive.
[17:26] <sara_> when they dug them up they where still alive :(((
[17:27] <sara_> somepeople are really sick
[19:31] <mungbean> the number 6 for dortmund is called sven bender
[19:31] <mungbean> lol
[19:52] <sara_> ali1234, hiii
[19:53] <ali1234> sara_: i should have a new kernel for you in half an hour or so... maybe a bit longer
[20:04] <sara_> ali1234, :) you are sweet
[20:44] <mungbean> awesome idea for schools: wish my kid was old enough to have an airfix party http://www.airfix.com/project-airfix/
[20:45] <mungbean> should probably arrange a "team building exercise" for my office
[20:57] <ali1234> sara_: new kernel: http://al.robotfuzz.com/~al/random/btpatch/3/
[21:17] <sara_> dpkg -i
[21:17] <sara_> is that right?
[21:18] <ali1234> yes
[21:22] <sara_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620513/
[21:22] <sara_> no for a reboot
[21:24] <sara_> now*
[21:24] <sara_> ali1234,
[21:35] <sara> ok so ali1234  thats recognising the broadcom devoce which is awesome, I can add a new device (nexus 4 in this case) BUT i have no access to services, eg "service not available" when i click send file to device
[21:35] <ali1234> broadcom?
[21:35] <ali1234> broadcom?!?
[21:35] <ali1234> whaaaaaaaaaat?
[21:35] <sara> may have the name of the bluetooth wrong
[21:35] <sara> sorry wait
[21:35] <ali1234> it should be atheros?
[21:36] <sara> this:
[21:36] <sara> 04:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
[21:36] <ali1234> no, that's your wifi
[21:37] <ali1234> pastebin dmesg and hciconfig -a please
[21:37] <ali1234> sounds like it is working though if you paired a phone
[21:39] <sara> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5620548/
[21:39] <ali1234> Manufacturer: Atheros Communications, Inc. (69)
[21:39] <ali1234> last line
[21:41] <sara> ok
[21:41] <sara> will try a few services and feed back :) Thank you for your work I really appriciate it
[21:45] <sara> OBEX Push is not working how can we work towards fixing this?
[21:46] <ali1234> no idea
[21:46] <ali1234> this is above the kernel layer
[21:47] <sara> ok :) I read about what a kernal is (not just popcorn apparently) so i understand on a basic very very basic level what it is
[21:48] <ali1234> does anyone know what the correct mailing list is for bluetooth patches?
[21:48] <directhex> bluez list? http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-bluetooth
[21:49] <sara> directhex, anyway of giving ali1234  a cookie? a nice one made out of chocolate. not a tracking cookie...
[21:51] <ali1234> i need to remember how to git-send-email too
[23:25] <Laney> wakka wakka
[23:45] <ali1234> ok, reported on linux-bluetooth
[23:45] <ali1234> sara: that kernel is only a temporary workaround and the fix will stop working when there is an update in ubuntu
[23:46] <ali1234> but hopefully it gets fixed upstream and then it will be fixed permanently in 13.10