[11:44] <brousch> I was thinking of buying one of these http://www.fsf.org/news/ryf-certification-thinkpenguin-usb-with-atheros-chip
[11:44] <brousch> But it's $54
[12:01] <snap-l> The source code reviewed as part of our certification process for this product includes the open-ath9k-htc-firmware and the Linux-libre 3.9 kernel.
[12:01] <snap-l> What is this Linux-libre thing?
[12:01] <snap-l> And does this mean that Nacho Libre is also FSF-monickered?
[12:03] <snap-l> Ah, OK. I see what this is
[12:03] <snap-l> It's Linux with the non-free bits removed
[12:03] <snap-l> Excellent branding.
[12:05] <snap-l> brousch: Honestly, $54 for no-hassle wireless is a-ok in my book
[12:08] <brousch> I don't know. I could buy five random adapters for $10  each and 4 of them will work
[12:08] <rick_h_> gotta support the freedom lovers
[12:11] <snap-l> brousch: Why do you hate freedom?
[12:11] <brousch> It's too expensive
[12:11] <snap-l> Please show me on the doll where freedom touched you.
[12:11] <brousch> I'm a free lover!
[12:12] <rick_h_> just not willing to support the extra work of freedom
[12:12] <rick_h_> lazy freedom :P
[12:17] <brousch> I thought freedom was free
[12:37] <rick_h_> heh yea...common misconception
[13:55] <ColonelPanic001> 'morning
[13:56] <ColonelPanic001> freedom is like happiness. You're not supposed to get it, just pursue it. Preferably with made-in-china magnets on your car.
[14:25] <rick_h_> so ummm, http://www.wunderground.com/wundermap/?lat=42.70860&lon=-83.43970&zoom=10&type=terrain&units=english&tl.play=0&tl.spd=2&viewportstart=now-3623&viewportend=now-23&groupSevere=1&groupHurricane=1&groupFire=1&groupCamsPhotos=1&groupRealEstate=1&extremes=0&fault=0&femaflood=0&fire=0&firewfas=0&fissures=0&fronts=0&hurrevac=0&hur=0&lightning=0&livesurge=0&mm=0&ndfd=0&rad=1&rad.num=1&rad.spd=25&rad.opa=70&rad.type=00Q&rad.t
[14:26] <rick_h_> damn sneaky big links
[14:26] <rick_h_> lol, so that's probably why it provides a short link option http://wxug.us/13m28
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> hm. I've seen this before, actually.
[14:29] <ColonelPanic001> I'm glad you mentioned it. I advise moving away from city centers and the white house. Aliens are about to float over and shoot down a big beam of kaboom.
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> actually, that's a nice site. I usually go to weatherspark.com
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> have to remember this one, too
[14:31] <ColonelPanic001> for just a radar display, think I might kind of prefer this one
[14:31] <rick_h_> I like the rss feed from here I use to keep up with things
[14:32] <rick_h_> and it adds local alerts to the rss feed which brought me to the radar
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> damn, even plots lightning strikes? that's completely useless yet really cool
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> for me anyway
[14:32] <ColonelPanic001> not like I'm going to dodge them
[14:33] <rick_h_> lol
[14:35] <ColonelPanic001> still interesting though, even says positive/negative, etc
[14:58] <snap-l> duplicity is really starting to get on my nerves
[14:59] <snap-l> seriously, this thing is designed for files that never change
[15:00] <snap-l> And gave obnam a try. Seems awesome, but has a critical flaw in 1.3, and the person with the Ubuntu PPA hasn't released the 1.4 version for 12.04
[15:05] <jcastro> I just use dropbox for everything
[15:05] <ColonelPanic001> another reminder to me that I have to get a box together for owncloud
[15:06] <rick_h_> jcastro: +1 though my rsync + nas ftw for full every single little dotfile I have
[15:06] <rick_h_> dropbox at 50G isn't big enough
[15:06] <rick_h_> and paying for more :/
[15:06] <rick_h_> but important can't live without and cool to have available on mobile tablets/etc dropbox ftw
[15:06] <jcastro> I have 100GB
[15:06] <jcastro> they do photos now
[15:07] <jcastro> and with picasa/g+ being a cluster it's a nobrainer to use dropbox for everything
[15:07] <rick_h_> yea, my /home/$me is 79GB atm
[15:07] <jcastro> I do keep an rsync'ed copy of my dropbox on my NAS as well
[15:07] <rick_h_> I went to picasa for photos. Just wish their android app did uploads/etc
[15:07] <jcastro> as well as an ISO mirror of course, heh
[15:07] <jcastro> they're dumb
[15:07] <jcastro> the G+ app will do uploads
[15:07] <jcastro> but then you have copies in both G+
[15:07] <rick_h_> sorry, not picasa, flickr
[15:07] <jcastro> which are synced back to picasa
[15:07] <rick_h_> went from picasa -> flickr
[15:08] <jcastro> it's a mess
[15:08] <rick_h_> right, picasa/etc ugh
[15:08] <jcastro> every time I'm like "you know, maybe I can replace dropbox with something else"
[15:08] <jcastro> they land a new feature
[15:09] <rick_h_> heh yea
[15:09] <rick_h_> <3 those guys (python woot)
[15:09] <jcastro> btsync is ok
[15:09] <jcastro> but I don't want to pay for an instance to keep things offsite
[15:09] <jcastro> so there's no advantages there for me mostly vs. dropbox
[15:10] <jcastro> https://www.copy.com/home/ is excellent too
[15:10] <jcastro> also has a native app
[15:11] <greg-g> wait, g+ app doesn't do photos?! that's... why do you all put up with that shit?
[15:11] <jcastro> it does do photos
[15:12] <greg-g> I mean, like, upload, you know, create/share
[15:12] <jcastro> it does
[15:13] <jcastro> but it's annoying
[15:13] <rick_h_> yea
[15:13] <jcastro> you can't just like "send this photo of this pic to my dad"
[15:13] <rick_h_> it's too G+
[15:13] <jcastro> it's like circles and all this crap
[15:13] <jcastro> wants to by default share on G+
[15:13] <jcastro> so you need to upload it
[15:13] <jcastro> then go into the browser
[15:13] <jcastro> open the pic
[15:13] <jcastro> then use your browser to get the URL
[15:14] <jcastro> because you can't direct navigate to it
[15:14] <jcastro> then you end up with this crap:
[15:14] <jcastro> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NjSJNhcN-z4/UX6uOoq9RcI/AAAAAAABPvU/uHPJ8rx7CTM/w1260-h945/IMG_20130429_132733.jpg
[15:14] <jcastro> nice URL!
[15:14] <jcastro> and from there the only way you can share is to G+
[15:14] <jcastro> no email, no direct link, nothing.
[15:14] <jcastro> imgur basically does a way better job
[15:15] <jcastro> http://db.tt/NjWi8asC
[15:15] <jcastro> or I can just click in dropbox to get that ^^ done.
[15:16] <jcastro> which doesn't work apparently
[15:16] <greg-g> ohhh, I misread you guys
[15:16] <jcastro>  http://db.tt/XLKEEjVX
[15:16] <jcastro> ok does that work for you guys?
[15:16] <greg-g> yeah, google fails a lot of the time
[15:17] <jcastro> yeah they just fail worse than normal with photos
[15:17] <greg-g> jcastro: "creating album... this page will display your new album once its created"
[15:17] <jcastro> it's like, why are there 2 photo services
[15:17] <jcastro> greg-g: yeah, the dropbox stuff is beta, so it's a bit slow
[15:17]  * jcastro had to opt in and beg
[15:17] <greg-g> flickr "just effing works" for me
[15:18] <jcastro> I bailed on flickr when they made you move to a yahoo account
[15:18] <snap-l> OK, now that we've had this little detour to "cloud shit that doesn't make my backups work"... ;)
[15:18] <jcastro> and I didn't feel like being jorgecastro289374298374982734982374@yahoo.com
[15:18] <greg-g> jcastro: it's a fucking email that isn't displayed anywhere....
[15:19] <greg-g> that you don't have to use (you can set your primary email to whatever)
[15:20] <snap-l> Yeah, but it means I have to have a yahoo account. ;)
[15:20] <snap-l> regardless though...
[15:20] <greg-g> petty
[15:21] <greg-g> anyways
[15:21] <greg-g> :P
[15:21] <rick_h_> snap-l: flickr works sans yahoo account :P
[15:21] <rick_h_> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.intl=us&.lang=en-US&.partner=&.last=&.src=flickrsignin&.pd=flickrsignin_ver%3D0%26c%3DJvVF95K62e6PzdPu7MBv2V8-%26ivt%3D%26sg%3D&pkg=&stepid=&.done=https%3a//login.yahoo.com/config/validate%3f.src=flickrsignin%26.pc=8190%26.scrumb=0%26.pd=c%253DJvVF95K62e6PzdPu7MBv2V8-%26.intl=us%26.done=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.flickr.com%252Fsignin%252Fyahoo%252F%253Fredir%253D%25252Fphoto_grease_postlogi
[15:21] <snap-l> I'm still without my local backups because of two fails. ;)
[15:21] <greg-g> ok, and speaking of "oh so wonderful google" apparently you can't use any gdoc after a suspend, it freezes Fx
[15:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, but GOogle gets a pass
[15:22] <greg-g> why?
[15:22] <greg-g> they've already had their fair share of passes
[15:22] <greg-g> stockholm
[15:26] <snap-l> yeah, likely.
[15:28] <greg-g> sorry, apparently I'm annoyed this morning
[15:28] <greg-g> my excuse is that it's MY monday as I was sick at home yesterday
[15:29] <snap-l> Today is my monday too because of Penguicon and taking yesterday off to handle errands.
[15:29] <rick_h_> heh, you monday'ers
[15:29] <rick_h_> my project got pushed back again so I worked all weekend for nothing and found out middle of yesterday. So today I'm just happy. :P
[15:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: Your team lead needs to seriously get his shit otgether
[15:30] <snap-l> together
[15:30] <snap-l> That's fucking bullshit
[15:31] <greg-g> rick_h_: hah
[15:31] <rick_h_> :)
[21:47] <greg-g> jrwren: glyn moody is pretty good, and he has a response to that article/issue you linked to before, as well: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130430/09022922890/no-uk-did-not-just-abolish-copyright-despite-what-photographers-seem-to-think.shtml
[21:47] <greg-g> stupid long techdirt urls
[21:49] <greg-g> jrwren: full disclosure: I didn't read anymore than the title ;)
[21:50] <greg-g> which you can get from the url
[21:50] <greg-g> heh