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ntzrmtthihu777hullo. looking into something I found googling xfce themes. seems the info is outta date. I'm looking to set a terminal as my desktop, possible?09:38
knomentzrmtthihu777, i'd look at something like tilda or so09:38
ntzrmtthihu777knome: I ran into that name before... on sec09:38
ntzrmtthihu777hmm, still not right09:55
knomei don't think there's any way to completely switch the desktop to a terminal09:56
knomeunless there is some terminal emulator that emulates a desktop as well...09:56
ntzrmtthihu777twould be cool, no?09:57
knomei wouldn't like that, but each to their own :)09:58
ntzrmtthihu777true, lol10:00
ntzrmtthihu777problem is almost every tut I run into assumes compiz10:02
ntzrmtthihu777yup, tilda did it :D10:08
ntzrmtthihu777or at least close enough for my pleasure :D10:08
ntzrmtthihu777knome: I got it :P10:15
knomentzrmtthihu777, good, enjoy :)10:16
ntzrmtthihu777between this and screen I can do lotta kewl looking stuffs, lol.10:17
ntzrmtthihu777one thing I love about linux, the answer to any "Can you do * with linux" question is yes, just it may not be easy/well known how10:17
carreraHi Everyone!  :)10:31
ntzrmtthihu777hullo10:31
carreracan anyone tell me why when I drag files from the desktop to other folders, a copy is made ratther than a move?10:34
ntzrmtthihu777strange. honestly I never have desktop files so its moot point for me.10:34
carrerahere is something even more strange10:35
brainwashcarrera: use shift + drag & drop instead10:37
carreraSo I opened the desktop folder and moved some files and guess what?  They were actually moved!10:42
carrerabrainwash, thank u sir. I'm so dumb. I was cut & pasting!!!10:43
ruiencarrera: yes, i believe you can drag with right-click to get a few options as well, but i haven't yet figured out how it determines whether to copy or move by default.10:44
carreraHiii Mr. Ruien!10:44
ruienhi10:44
carreraGuess what?10:44
ruienhm, what?10:44
carreraI finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 and keep my RAID 0 partitions10:44
ruienwow, good work!10:45
ruienwhat was the secret10:45
carreramini.iso10:45
threepwoodHey... Are there any mentions of catastrophic failures when upgrading 12.10 to 13.04?10:45
carreraand came to my little cousin for Ethernet access10:47
carreramini.iso doesn't detect wireless cards10:48
linux_unix-10hello11:06
ntzrmtthihu777very nice. since I use irssi in screen I can keep it running in a tilda :D11:12
ntzrmtthihu777I was trying like hell to get it working with a .desktop launcher that ran gnome-terminal -e 'screen -rd || screen irssi', but it never quite worked correctly :P11:13
xubuntu925hi, anyone able to help with regards to download of xubuntu?11:23
mouthwashi want to upgrade from 12.04 (precise) LTS to 13.04. is it possible to do this without first upgrading to 12.10? update manager shows only 12.10. any advice pls?11:24
mouthwashxubuntu925, could you specify?11:24
xubuntu925looking for a version for a G4 apple mac... all I can find is intel versions11:25
TheSheep!powerpc11:25
ubottuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ11:25
TheSheepxubuntu925: basically it's not supported, although there may still be community ports11:26
xubuntu925OK, that's why I couldn't find a link off the main site then.... thanks a lot I'll go look via your link11:26
xubuntu925getting it now, thanks mouthwash11:29
mouthwashxubuntu925, didn't do anything, but you're welcome :p11:29
xubuntu925think the site could use a visable link to the ports.....11:30
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: honestly as much as I've seen folk in #ubuntu talking about borked update attempts I prefer a clean reinstall; for this reason I always have a separate /home partition11:30
* ntzrmtthihu777 says nothing of his own poor experiences with updates11:31
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, i can see the advantages in that. but then i have to reinstall ALL my stuff. not to mention the games i don't remember how i managed to get working11:32
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: wine games or native games?11:33
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, wine, native always works fine :) i'd like to try to update the fast way, i can always do a fresh install afterwards if option a fails11:33
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: the wine programs are included in .folders in your ~, so they carry over. I just installed fresh xubuntu instead of a pinguy-to-ubuntu conversion.11:34
ntzrmtthihu777(I would also recommend playonlinux over wine alone, it makes it so much more manageable.11:36
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, never had much succes with playonlinux, and not sure /home inc all the tweaks ie change of sound drivers and such. anyway, i'd still like to try an update first. if only not to have to download all my programs again11:40
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: true, about the actual system tweaks. there is a way to clone your package list, however. and if you use apt-fast you can do it far quicker.11:41
xubuntu222hi, I m using Precise Pangolin 12.04 LTS, when executing "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" I do get updates VERY seldom. Is that ok (meant like that) or s.th. wrong ? thanks.11:41
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu222: more or less standard. should use apt-get dist-upgrade though.11:42
xubuntu222ok. thanks. I will11:43
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, i still want to avoid setting up my system again unnecessarily. you know if i can upgrade to 13.04 directly?11:45
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: no. not my area of expertise, sorry. may I ask why you needa jump to the bleeding edge so soon? quite likely a fair amount of your favorate apps are not yet in the raring repos/up to date.11:47
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, i saw a faw features in the latest i really like (plus, it's new :). you'd recommend just waiting for the next LTS?11:49
ntzrmtthihu777mouthwash: unless something really epic comes out before 14.04 that's what I'm doing ;)11:51
knomemouthwash, if you're on 12.04, you can't upgrade to 13.04, unless you upgrade to 12.10 first.11:53
mouthwashknome, how come?11:54
knomemouthwash, that's how the upgrade path are11:54
knomemouthwash, you either upgrade to every release, or every LTS release11:54
knomemouthwash, when you are on an LTS release, you can upgrade to a normal release, but then you must upgrade to every normal release until the next LTS release11:55
ntzrmtthihu777a rather ugly business.11:55
mouthwashyeah...11:55
knomeit's not11:56
mouthwashisn't it?11:56
knomeyou either want the long-term support or not11:56
knome(in majority of the cases at least)11:56
ntzrmtthihu777knome: exactly, which is why (as I said) I'm sticking with precise till something epic happens or 14.04 gets here, whichever comes first depending on the level of epicness.11:57
knomeimagine how much more testing work it would be to test all upgrades (12.04 to 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 and 14.04 instead of just 12.01 and 14.04)11:57
knomethat's also much more prone to regressions and broken systems after upgrades11:57
ntzrmtthihu777man I've fallen in love with tilda, lol. must have on all new systems :P11:58
mouthwashtilda?11:58
ntzrmtthihu777its a terminal app11:58
xubuntu886hello, i formated computer and recover files with testdisk. Now all files are root and i dont know how to change it. Anybody can help me ?12:00
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu886: what are you attempting to achieve?12:00
mouthwashntzrmtthihu777, knome, thnks for the advice, gotta go12:02
ruienDoes anyone know if it's possible (safely) to "upgrade" an apt-mirror from, say, precise to raring? I have many machines all on 12.04 and all use my mirror. I am considering updating all to 13.04 (probably fresh installs), but I would prefer to avoid putting even more stress on the official repos by downloading a whole mirror. If there's overlap, can I take advantage of that?12:21
engkurhi all12:36
engkurxubuntu room here...12:36
lderanengkur, hey12:36
engkurwhy xfce4-session sometime crash, im using xubuntu 13.04 upgrade from 12.1012:37
engkurbut im using xubuntu-dev ppa too12:37
ntzrmtthihu777ruien: y-ppa-manager can do such.12:39
ruienntzrmtthihu777: thanks. I've never heard of y-ppa-manager and I'll look into it. :)12:40
[uzver]hi!12:40
lderanHi!12:40
ntzrmtthihu777ruien: no prob. if you're feeling brave you can do it with sed too12:40
ruienengkur: does your xfce4-session crash with any error messages, log messages, etc?12:40
ruienwell i don't have a problem to `sed -i` a bunch of files in a bash for loop or whatever, but i don't know what is safe and what is not safe.12:41
ntzrmtthihu777ruien: exactly, lol. why I said "if you're feeling brave" lol.12:41
ruienindeed12:41
GridCubewhat seems to be the problem12:41
GridCube?12:41
ruienGridCube: are you referring to me, or engkur?12:42
GridCubeany of you12:42
GridCube:)12:42
ruiensummary: I have used `apt-mirror` and i have a full mirror of the 12.04 repos. I want to upgrade the mirror to 13.04 with consuming the least amount of bandwidth possible from the official repos. It would be rude to blow it away and download a full apt-mirror fresh. I am not sure the best way to upgrade it, and i will look into "y-ppa-manager".12:44
engkurwait im looking syslog12:45
engkurlike this12:46
engkurApr 26 08:20:39 mynotebook kernel: [29177.865635] xfce4-session[8746]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007fb34bc00f7f sp 00007fff5508ad20 error 5 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3600.0[7fb34bb9d000+f9000]12:46
engkurruien, this my syslog Apr 26 08:20:39 mynotebook kernel: [29177.865635] xfce4-session[8746]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007fb34bc00f7f sp 00007fff5508ad20 error 5 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3600.0[7fb34bb9d000+f9000]12:46
engkurso im swith to mate, or lxde for now12:46
ruienengkur: that's a segfault in libglib, is that part of the xubuntu-dev package or is it part of the 13.04 core?12:47
engkurhmm i dont know...12:47
knomecore.12:47
knomebbl ->12:47
engkurthis happen when im upgrade from 12.10 to 13.0412:48
GridCuberuien, i would assume you already read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/PushMirroring ?12:48
ruienGridCube: no, because i pull-mirror by just running `apt-mirror` on a cron daily. Is that relevant? I don't really care about being up-to-the-minute. This is more a one-off conversion from precise apt-mirror to raring12:50
ruienhopefully I did not completely misunderstand the significance of your link?12:50
GridCubeyes, i know, but couldnt you execute push-mirror once? shouldnt it work like a rsync or zsync and update just stuff that needs updating?12:51
* GridCube has no idea sorry :/12:51
ruienI'd be hard-pressed to believe it would be smart enough to say "oh, you have a precise repo. Let's fix that to raring for you". But yeah, don't worry about it -- thanks as always for your help :)12:52
GridCuberuien, in any case why dont you ask at #ubuntu-mirrors P: they should know better12:53
GridCubeemphasis in the should12:53
ruiencool, i'll check that out12:54
xubuntu280afternoon all - following some kind of update (sorry I can't be more precise - can't remember exactly which update it was but presumably had something to do with the kernel), my xubuntu 12.04LTS system is no longer booting and goes to a black screen saying "ERROR: No configuration file found. No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found! boot:" which is new to me - any ideas on how this system can be booted?13:11
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: can you get to a tty with ctrl+alt+f1?13:12
xubuntu280no - can enter something into the boot: dialogue though but no idea what13:13
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: do you have a live disc?13:14
ntzrmtthihu777 /usb?13:14
xubuntu280can try making one - so do you suggest I use that to boot from, backup then reinstall?13:15
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: no, there are a number of ways to repair an existing install from a live cd.13:16
xubuntu280OK, will try to make a live USB - then how can it be repaired from that?13:18
ntzrmtthihu777depends on what is broken. you can chroot into your install and repair that way; would be better if we new the exact command you ran that busted it; did you run it in terminal or a gui app?13:19
xubuntu280was just an update through update manager, i could probably find which one if there is a list of them somewhere13:20
ntzrmtthihu777hm. see when you issue commands in terminal a history is stored in ~/.bash_history, assuming the settings were not changed, so that is useful. but I'm not sure about update managaer13:21
GridCubexubuntu280, in the grub stage you can choose an option called previous linux versions, that allows you to boot on a previous kernel13:23
GridCubesee if that fixes your issues13:23
xubuntu280doesn't boot as far as GRUB13:23
GridCube?13:24
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: exellent point, forgot about that option. would he not have to hold shift or sommat to get the grub screen, however?13:24
GridCubedoesnt get to grub?13:24
GridCubethen theres something fisical going wrong13:24
GridCubebeyond any update13:24
xubuntu280or the grub config is broken13:24
GridCubethat can be13:24
GridCubeget a live cd and try boot-repair13:25
GridCubehttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair13:25
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: yeah, boot repair is rather nifty.13:25
xubuntu280yeah thats looking like the best option, unfortunately at work on a windows pc so can't make a live USB at the moment - its definitely not a physical thing as it was working absolutely fine before the restart.13:26
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: unetbootin can create live usb.13:26
xubuntu280yeah, but the xubuntu laptop won't boot....13:27
GridCubeit will from the usb13:27
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: from hdd, right? have not tried usb yet.13:27
GridCubeunetbootin works on windows13:27
ntzrmtthihu777yep, on all of the big 3.13:28
xubuntu280can't make a usb boot yet, that's all - need access to another pc because i won't be able to install software on this one. Silly really. Interestingly, holding shift whilst the broken system boots does get rid of the "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" bit of the error message, but makes no difference to the situation13:28
GridCubexubuntu280, :) unetbootin doesnt need installing13:28
GridCubeits a java thingy that just runs13:29
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: is it java, then? I never knew. its how I got into the linux world anyways, lol. unetbootin off of a win7 pc w/ubuntu lucid13:30
xubuntu280ah, excellent. If ti will work on this system I will give that a shot and hopefully that will solve everything. Is boot-repair on the standard xubuntu live CD/USB?13:30
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu280: no, you will need to add the ppa and install via apt-get13:30
ntzrmtthihu777the link GridCube gave you has full instructions.13:31
xubuntu280haha - funny story. My USB drive was still plugged in, and after installing the system originally the BIOS was still set to boot from USB before HDD, so it was trying to boot from a blank USB. Take out the USB and it works fine now.13:32
GridCubethere is an iso that contains the boot-repair, its in the link13:32
xubuntu280but thanks so much for your help anyway13:32
GridCubelol13:32
GridCubesilly you xubuntu28013:33
GridCubeXD13:33
lderan:P13:33
ntzrmtthihu777XD gotta love when you do something like that :P13:44
ntzrmtthihu777man tilda can be damn cool http://imagebin.org/25591613:50
GridCubehttp://imagebin.org/255921 yep :313:58
ntzrmtthihu777:P nice.14:04
lderanaye14:05
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: what command is that? looks like a combo of tree and top14:06
carreraI was adding New Items to my Panel when I ended up with a white pane for entering commands that I can't get rid of. Any ideas?14:07
GridCubehtop14:07
GridCubecarrera, go to >panel >panel settings >last tab items > search for the verve item and remove it14:08
carreraGridCube, thanks. Do you know what it is?  There is no About, it's exactly 20 chars wide and it obviously fits on the top panel.14:09
GridCubeits a terminal launcher, you type things there and it happens, its like when you press alt-f214:10
carreraoh, it's the Verve Command Line14:10
GridCubetype like "firefox" and it will launch it14:10
carreraok14:10
carreraI typed ls and date but nothing happened14:10
GridCubecarrera, no, you need a terminal for those14:11
GridCubethis is a launcher14:11
GridCubetype thunar /etc14:11
GridCubeand it will open thunar at the /etc directory14:11
carrerathanks14:12
GridCubeor like. leafpad ~/testfile.txt14:12
carreraI finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 on my laptop and keep my RAID 0 config,14:13
carreraI can't turn on the Panel Separators through Panel->Properties14:13
GridCubeset them to autoexpand?14:14
llldinoHey guys, i'm having trouble with booting 13.04, system hangs after selecting ubuntu off the grub screen, anyone have advice?14:16
kRushllldino, fresh install or upgrade?14:18
llldinokRush, fresh14:19
carreraGridCube, Expand under the Style dropdown is ticked on but still no separators14:19
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: try nomodeset yet?14:19
ntzrmtthihu777or entering a tty?14:20
llldinontzrmtthihu777, No, can you explain please?14:20
GridCubecarrera, could you share a screenshot please?14:20
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: try pressing alt+f1 at the black screen after grub. give it a bit of time before trying it. and before you actually boot from grub edit the grub options for nosplash14:21
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: I think its the e button at the grub menu14:21
llldinontzrmtthihu777, K thanks, ill try in a sec14:22
kRushit's ctrl+alt+f114:22
ntzrmtthihu777kRush: only if you're in a graphical session. before that alt+f1-6 alone will do it.14:22
genii-aroundActually, I've found lately console1 is not available until after desktop finishes loading, but console2 is14:23
kRushI take that back then =)14:23
llldinoSo I press e at the menu?14:24
ntzrmtthihu777kRush: lol, I learn new stuf every day too.14:24
peyamHi14:24
llldinoOr ctrl alt f1 after grub?14:24
peyam13.04 is out14:24
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: yeah, highlight the default boot and hit e,14:24
peyamworth to upgrade?14:24
llldinopeyam, Good question lol14:24
ntzrmtthihu777peyam: I find its best to wait for the next lts.14:25
llldinopeyam, Performance is certainly better but there are tons of bugs14:25
peyamyeah ofcourse. but I hert it had problem with hdmi out put14:25
peyamyeah.. it was discussion about skip this release earlier14:25
llldinopeyam, My HDMI is fine for the most part14:25
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: that's nifty :P14:26
peyamI will wait14:26
llldinopeyam, It won't plug and play, you have to reboot with the cable in the first time so it detects14:26
llldinopeyam, oR RUN A CMD THAT i DO NOT KNOW14:26
GridCubentzrmtthihu777, htop?14:26
llldinoSorry caps14:26
peyamllldino: I dont use hdmi but I just herd about it. someone gave the suggestion to update ther kernel or something...14:26
GridCubepeyam, :) its very worth to update if you are not an lts fan14:27
llldinoOk, im gonna try nomodeset14:27
peyamGridCube: you know me well ;) .. I wait untill the update to the bugs are sufficient.14:27
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: yeah :P14:27
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: its definitly goin on my list of oddball stuff to install on new machines, along with curl, screen, lynx, irssi, and inxi14:28
lderanhtop is quite cool14:29
GridCube:) it is far more useful to me than standard top14:29
peyamGridCube: any idea about how I update the greyvird theme?14:29
ntzrmtthihu777kRush: for instance did you know you can use sed expressions in the linux version of skype?14:29
GridCubepeyam, add the shimmer ppa14:29
kRushI don't use skype14:29
peyamntzrmtthihu777: what do you mean? it doesnt have anything to do with ubuntu14:29
ntzrmtthihu777kRush: lol, still oddly geeky :P14:30
peyamI use skype all the time. but it doesnt have facebook integration so far on linux14:30
ntzrmtthihu777peyam: I was stating earlier that I still learn new linux things every day, and gave it as an example.14:30
peyamntzrmtthihu777: yeah sorry. im just came.. facebook is awesome14:31
peyamI mean linux14:31
GridCubeP:14:31
ntzrmtthihu777well fb runs on linux servers, methinks.14:31
GridCube:) guys guys, what do you say if we move all the chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic please :)14:31
peyamGridCube: do you know anything about changes in greybird?14:32
GridCubepeyam, what do you mean by changes?14:32
peyamGridCube: how does it look? what are the updates?14:33
GridCubeits stylized but there arent many changes14:33
peyamhmm not worth to update14:33
GridCubei liked it, it looks more clean, but i edited the color of the drop downs menues that where almost white, so i used the new gtk-theme-config thing and changed it back to looking good14:33
GridCubepeyam, the new catfish its worthy P:14:35
GridCubebut thats about it XD14:35
GridCubethe rest are bug fixes and updates14:35
peyamhow do I update it? what is the ppa14:35
GridCubefor catfish?14:36
peyamGREYBIRD14:36
GridCubeoh14:36
peyamops14:36
GridCubeshimmer ppa14:36
ntzrmtthihu777you really don't usually need ppa's for default things.14:37
GridCubehttps://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa14:37
ntzrmtthihu777lol, running gimp as sudo to edit icons :P14:39
llldinoOk so nomodeeset worked, but now my graphics is kind of screwed up14:39
llldinoI guess i neepuupdate for my gd a firmware14:39
llldinoWtf14:40
ochosintzrmtthihu777: why not simply put them in ~/.icons ?14:40
llldinoI mean, I guess I need a firmware update14:40
ntzrmtthihu777ochosi: well its an already installed icon. see I switched themes and it does not cover every app I have, and they stick out like a sore thumb14:41
GridCubeyou can change per app icons in the launcher14:42
ochosintzrmtthihu777: yeah, but if you put an icon-theme-dir of the same name in ~/.icons they should be inherited14:42
ochosiand anyway, better get in touch with the icon-maintainer and get him to add your icons ;)14:43
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: thats just it, lol. these icons do not exist yet, so even were I to use the launcher properties to change them I still needa make them first :P14:43
GridCubeP: but then you dont need to put them on any place own by root14:43
ntzrmtthihu777ochosi: true that. I shall have to use a ~/.icons and maybe get ahold of him :P14:44
ochosijust out of curiosity: what icon-theme?14:44
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: true. honestly I like keeping most of my custom stuffs in dotfolders in my home, so when I install new version the customs carry over.14:44
GridCubetrue14:44
ntzrmtthihu777azenis-green-icons14:45
ochosintzrmtthihu777: ah, never heard of those14:45
ntzrmtthihu777ochosi: they look nice if you're going for that green/black xbox/matrix look14:45
ochosintzrmtthihu777: k, i usually don't do that ;)14:47
ntzrmtthihu777heh. its an aesthetic and health thing for me. late nites writing c++ and ruby with white on black is rather painful to the eyes :P14:48
ochosiyeah, but that's more a question of the editor's color-theme, no?14:49
ntzrmtthihu777true, but having just one thing like that tends towards sore-thumbism, so may as well go all the way.14:49
ochosi:)14:50
ntzrmtthihu777sides which everyone around me thinks I'm a super 1337 hax0rz, so may as well have fun playing the part XD14:51
kgbntzrmtthihu777: you could be, except not even your IP is cloaked..;)15:35
ntzrmtthihu777kgb: ironic name LO15:41
ntzrmtthihu777*:P15:41
ntzrmtthihu777or rather appropriate, in this case XD.15:42
kgb;P15:44
kgbcome 2 #xubuntu-offtopic if you want 2 discuss it :P :D15:44
aienaCan someone please tell me which linux kernel version does xubuntu 13.0.4 use as the base in the default ISO ?15:53
holsteinaiena: the same as the main os.. its "13.04"15:54
holsteinaiena: you can always fire up a live CD as well and look15:54
aienathe kernel ?15:54
aienathe one in 12.04 is 3.0.4015:54
GridCube!info linux15:55
ubottulinux (source: linux-meta): Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component main, is optional. Version 3.8.0.19.35 (raring), package size 1 kB, installed size 33 kB15:55
aienacool !!15:55
GridCubeoptional XD lol15:55
aienathamks GridCube15:55
holstein3.2.0-40-generic-pae aiena .. is what i have in 12.0415:55
aienamy freinds wifi card was not getting detected with the the 12.04 LTS kernel15:56
aienaI herd the realtek drvier was there in 3.8 so wnated to decide wether to create the disk or ont :)15:56
aiena*thanks15:56
holsteinaiena: also, http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-review-7000014497/ has a lot of information15:56
holsteinaiena: you can always fire up the live cd and check on hardware support as well15:57
aienaholstein the machine is not mine and not with me15:57
aienareading online I found out why my freinds card wasnt working15:57
aienait wasw reported fixed in 3.815:57
aienathats why I was interested in the base kernel15:57
aienaas lan is not an option15:57
aienaso there is no way to get build tools either15:58
aienato compile from source15:58
holsteinaiena: whomever may try with the live CD15:59
aienayes but I dont want to download a 800gb image if its not going to anyway work :P15:59
aiena*800 mb15:59
aienaIam running 12.0.4 LTS and am happy with it :)16:00
holsteinaiena: in my opinion, and from what i have found in practice. i need the actual kernel on the actual hardware.. and do my own tests16:00
aienamy freind needs raring because of driver issues.16:00
aienawhich have been documented online.16:01
holsteinaiena: or other hardware16:01
aienaWell apart from the wifi card the rest of the hardware is the same :)16:01
aienawith the exception of the processor16:01
aienawhich is a slightly lower model.16:01
aienaan i3 instead of i516:01
holsteinaiena: there can be revisions of the hardware between the *exact* same models that would break hardware support16:03
aienathere could be but everything else has been tested to work fine with precise except the wifi card16:04
aienaand on further investigation16:04
holsteinaiena: but, that is not what you are after... if you'd like to link the hardware ID, someone might be able to give more specifics.. for me, i wouldnt trust anything til i put the live CD in16:04
aienaprobably. Anyways since I know that its 3.816:04
aienathere is a higher probability the wifi card will work16:05
aienaif it doesnt it doesnt16:05
aienathats it16:05
holsteinaiena: well, you "read".. but you dont "know".. there could be a revision in the hardware from the posts you are reading16:05
aienathe laptop is 2 years old16:06
aienaa patch was made in 3.816:06
aienaand this kernel bversion is higher than recommended16:06
holsteinaiena: its not really about the age, or probability.. its just about if the support is in the kernel or not, or if support can be added with a module16:06
aienasupport can be added16:07
aienaby compiling source code on 12.04 too16:07
aienawhich is a good option16:07
aienahowever since Ithere is no lan connectivity.16:07
aienaand therefore no interne4t access  can\t pull dependencies16:07
aienaso the only way is a bases kernel16:08
holsteinaiena: you dont need lan.. if you wanted to do the work for them, and send them seperately.. but i would just try 13.04 live16:08
aienaif it works it works16:08
aienaholstein: thats what I am planning to do anyways now that I know the kernel is 3.8 :)16:08
aienalets see16:08
holsteinaiena: you can also send them a link to a mainline kernel with that patch.. a *.deb16:08
aienahmm they already patched it in 3.816:09
holsteinthat could be tested in 12.04.. assuming that is what is installed on the machine with no internet16:09
aienaits not there is 3.0.416:09
aienain the LTS version i tested out today16:09
holsteinaiena: you tested a 3.8 kernel in 12.04? from mainline?16:09
aienaso thats why i needed to know the raring kernel version16:09
aienaholstein the 12.04 iso comes with the base of 3.0.3716:10
holsteinaiena: i have 3.2 in 12.0416:10
aienasorry 3.2.4016:10
aienabut I need atleast 3.816:10
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holsteinaiena: but, that is correct.. its *not* 3.8.. but im suggesting you could install a 3.8 and test16:10
aienafor the realtek wifi card to work16:10
aienawhich seems to be satisfied in the raring iso16:10
aienawhich is good16:10
holsteinaiena: instead of "downloading an entire iso" for testing puposes16:10
aienaso i can run that live and see.16:11
aienaholstein how without internet connectivity ?16:12
aienaic annot pull dependencies even if I download the source on sa seperate machine.16:13
holsteinaiena: your friend has no other machine?16:13
aienanope16:13
holsteinaiena: then, they cant do anything...16:13
aienaexactly16:13
holsteinaiena: you will need to downoad and mail them a 13.04 cd16:13
aienaexcept try rarings base kernel16:13
holsteinaiena: no.. they cant do *anything*16:13
aienathey cant do anything16:14
holsteinif you cant get anything to them via the internet on *any* machine.. then thay are stuck16:14
aienai can create a startup usb16:14
aienawith raring and the 3.8 kernel16:14
aienaand then they can do something16:14
aienadefinitely not go back to LRS though16:14
aiena*LTS16:14
aienaif the wifi card works with raring it would be cool.16:14
aienaothereise let the machine remain on windows16:15
aienalinux does not make so much sense without internet connectivity16:15
holsteinaiena: if the machine is dual booting, you can email/share the deb to a test kernel16:15
aienahow16:16
aienayou mena to say16:16
aienai can doenload the 3.8 kernel on windows16:16
aienaand then install it on linux ?16:16
aiena*download16:16
holsteinaiena: you can download what you want on whatever operating system16:16
aienaO can16:16
GridCube!offline | aiena16:16
ubottuaiena: If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://ubottu.com/ljl/apt/ - See also !APTonCD16:16
holsteinaiena: you (your friend) boots windows.. downloads whatever.. puts it on a USB stick, or on a partition (somewhere ubuntu can find the data) and you used it16:17
aienaGridCube: Ok but can I update the kernel alone through synaptics16:17
GridCubeyes16:17
GridCubeif you got the deb for it16:17
GridCubethough i would investigate further at what you are doing16:18
GridCubethings like kernels aint simple games16:18
aienaYes I agree16:18
holsteini dont think i woud want to run a 3.8 kernel in 12.04 as a long term solution16:18
holsteinbut, that could save some time, and get the machine online for you to get to it for remote access or whatever16:18
aienaon my system I am comfortable with 3.2.4016:18
aienaonly because my freinds comps wifi card does not work with the 3.2 kernel16:19
aienai need to try raring16:19
holsteinaiena: yes.. that is clear to me16:19
holsteinaiena: and its not "you need to try raring".. you need to provide support for the wifi.. and using raring is potentially a way to "fix" that16:19
aienaexactly16:20
holsteinaiena: if your friend *can* boot windows and get online, i would just have them download 13.04 and burn a CD/make a USB16:20
aienaI already made the USB for my freind16:20
GridCubeim on 3.2.0.32 and i have no problems :P16:20
aienaso all I need to do is plug it in16:20
aienasetup the bios to boot from it16:20
aienaand hope for the best16:21
holsteinaiena: you have a 13.04 usb made? and you are at the machine?16:21
aienano16:22
aienaI am on my machine at home16:22
holsteinaiena: then, what is the question?16:22
aienamy freinds in his own house with his own laptop16:22
aienathe question was what was the kernel version16:22
aienathats it16:22
holsteinok.. cheers16:22
aiena:)16:22
aienathanks holstein16:22
aienathis was a nice discussion though :)16:22
aienait helped me explore the option of a 3.8 kernel on LTS16:23
aienaand th potential pros and cons of it in the process.16:23
holsteinaiena: i think what you need to explore is that your friend *does* have internet access16:23
aienaexactly16:23
aienawhich I intend to do with raring16:24
holsteinaiena: ?16:24
aienawith a gulp of hope.16:24
holsteinaiena: no.. right now they do.. from windows16:24
aienahe does not have internet aceess with 12.0.416:24
aienafor certain16:24
aienaholstein: he does have it from windows16:24
holsteinaiena: correct16:24
aienabut I am interested in it from linux right16:24
holsteinaiena: you can use that connection.. thats my point16:24
holsteinwhen i, or another volunteer asks "does your friend have another machine with internet access?".. you can say "yes, but for some reason we are not utilizing it for this issue"16:25
holsteinthe way i see it, your friend could download any number of potential fixes right now and try them.16:26
holsteinbut, if you have a USB made, and you just want to mail it, or wait til you see him or whatever, thats fine..16:26
GridCubeholstein, you missunderstood16:27
holsteinGridCube: i have.. thtas for sure16:27
holsteinthats*16:27
aienaholstein: my mistake maybe I didn't put the message across clearly enough !!16:28
aienaSorry.16:28
holsteinaiena: im sure you'll get your friend sorted out :)16:31
aienaI should be able too !!16:32
aienaotherwise there is always IRC16:32
aienaand you guys16:32
aienato help me dig further :)16:32
aienaTHanks a lot anyways.16:40
spidermanHi i read somewhere that its better idea to have separate to partition for home directory, so that in case if you are upgrading or installing other flavors of linux OS, then your personnel data wil lremain safe in home dir.17:04
elfyspiderman: some people like to do that others don't - personally all the data I care about is seperate from the system install so I don't worry about a seperate /home17:06
spidermanI have already installed Xubuntu 13.10 on my machine PC,  so far i really dont have anything in home directory... can i now resize my  ext4 root paritition  and then create new partition and have it automatically mounted  after everyboot ?17:07
bekksspiderman: There is no 13.10 until now, isnt it?17:07
spidermansorry i meant 13.0417:07
elfyoh good :)17:08
elfynothing to stop you resizing and creating a seperate partition - you'll want to boot with a live usb or something though17:08
elfythen look into fstab17:09
elfy!fstab17:09
ubottuThe /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fstab and http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions17:09
elfyto mount the partition17:09
engkurhi all17:36
engkuri think im hit this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/117201817:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1172018 in xfce4-session (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu crashes randomly" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:37
engkurxfce4-session crash randomly17:37
spiderman@elfy & @ubottu : thanks17:43
nickwShould I have to upgrade to 12.10 before I upgrade to 13.04 from Xubuntu 12.04?17:45
kRushyes17:45
nickwCool, I guess that answers that...17:46
nickwThanks!17:46
spiderman@ubottu : are you really ?17:47
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xfce_newbeehello, im bored installing new xbuntu, is some one can give me interinsting facts about xubuntu?18:59
well_laid_lawnit's blue19:00
xfce_newbeei fuguret taht out allready19:00
peyamxfce_newbee: light weight. very fast..nice theme.. very configuratable19:00
peyamit is just ubuntu in different clothes19:01
xfce_newbeeis it posible to configure multiple monitors?19:01
Unit193It isn't orange!19:01
xfce_newbeeit19:01
xfce_newbeecolor of your choice19:01
peyamxfce_newbee: Im running it on dual monitor19:01
xfce_newbeewhat about multi monitors19:01
lderanIt has a mouse logo?19:01
Unit193xfce_newbee: Yeah, you can use arandr to do that.19:01
peyamyes it is possible19:01
xfce_newbeewhat if its just 2 mirored monitors , i want extend desktop19:02
peyamit is possible19:02
peyamif you have two output ports in ur mechin19:02
xfce_newbeeyes, i do... but now (in installing stage) its just same signal19:02
Cheri703xfce_newbee: unsupported option is to install xfce 4.12, that's what I did and it's been completely fine: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html19:03
xfce_newbeeim afraid of worst that is hoax19:03
kgbwith nVidia all you needs is to install nvidia-settings19:04
xfce_newbeethis is actualy helppful i think, when its finishes il try both methods19:05
kgbi wouldn't recommend installing sfce 4.12 unsupported test rls19:06
Cheri703one thing to note: it's not a smooth process to go back to 4.10 (at least I was unable to)19:06
Cheri703so try arandr19:06
Cheri703first19:06
peyamxfce_newbee: http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/dual-monitor-in-xfce-xubuntu/19:06
Cheri703mine has been fine, but I'm just saying19:06
xfce_newbeenice, very nice...19:07
xfce_newbeeand another thing last time i trry to enter recovery mode (vie grub loader) i cant enter this grub menu19:08
xfce_newbeeis it somthing wrong with system*(was)19:08
peyamxfce_newbee: you should update grub19:08
peyamit is easy19:08
peyamenter with you live cd19:08
peyam¬°grub19:08
xfce_newbeeim instaling new cuz of this19:08
peyamu will have the same problem19:09
xfce_newbeebut realy what can be wrong?19:09
xfce_newbeei dont see this moment when it shoud be\19:09
xfce_newbeeis it posible to change default grub load without root?19:09
kgbGrub Customizer isn't bad for controlling the Grub without CLI19:10
peyamxfce_newbee: you need to update the grub19:10
xfce_newbeethank you for your help19:14
peyamxfce_newbee: wait19:14
peyamI wil send you a link19:14
peyamxfce_newbee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair19:15
peyamthis will repair ur grub19:16
xfce_newbeehow come it get broke??19:17
xfce_newbeeso its need to be repared?19:18
peyamits not broke19:18
xfce_newbeewhat leed to this effect?19:18
kgbnah, it didn't correctly repair the windows bootloader on the 100mb start HDD partition and i ended up with 2 windows bootloaders19:18
xfce_newbeewhy the its need to be repaerd?19:18
peyamyou said you had problem seeing the optiopn19:18
peyamin the boot19:18
xfce_newbeeyes, problem seeing it at all19:18
xfce_newbeein moment when its must be grub loader just blank19:19
xfce_newbeeand... nothing19:19
xfce_newbeethen (after grub timeout) its boot up19:19
peyamkgb: windows make two partition.. one with 100 mb och one with the os19:19
peyamyes19:19
peyamit will fix ur problem19:19
peyamso as soon as you installed the xubuntu. log in to your live desk and follow the instructions19:19
kgbpeyam: yeah and that program duplicated the windows bootloader, which isn't what was needed; doesn't seem too reliable.19:20
peyamkgb: I dunno. it hasn't made me any trubble.19:20
aienaIs there a way to configure GRUB to give you more time at the bootloader instead of the default 10 secods e.g suppose I want it to give me 20 seconds to choose instead ?19:54
knome!grub19:54
ubottuGRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub219:54
knomesee the last link19:54
aienathanks knome19:54
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jmagundunianybody home?20:15
knome!anybody | jmagunduni20:17
ubottujmagunduni: A high percentage of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..." Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out? See also !details, !gq, and !poll.20:17
jmagunduni:-(20:19
bazhangwhats the question jma20:20
bazhangwhoops20:21
knomegone. :)20:21
bazhanghehe yeah ask n' quit20:21
knomewell, "don't ask and quit" :P20:21
bazhanghehe20:22
w30any one besides me having resolution changing troubles in the 13.04 upgrade?20:24
bazhangusing xrandr?20:24
w30I have to do it twice to make it work with xfce4-settings-manager20:25
xubuntu017hi...i want install privated drivers to my video card ATI Radeon series 400020:27
bazhangprivated?20:27
w30also when I logout I get the wrong login screen resolution20:27
aiena!poll20:28
ubottuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors.20:28
aienaxubuntu017: do you mean proprietary ?20:29
David-Axubuntu017: do you mean proprietary driver? have looked in system settings, Additional Drivers?20:29
w30every thing straightens out eventually with repeated logouts; its just flaky20:29
xubuntu186hi everybody20:52
kgbhi xubuntu186 welcome ;)20:54
xubuntu186;)20:54
xubuntu186I'm an absolute beginner in xubuntu and i'm having some problems with my wireless card20:55
lderanwhat's your problem?20:58
xubuntu186I can't see any wireless network20:59
xubuntu186And ethernet doesn't seems to work too21:00
xubuntu186I'm looking some tutorials21:00
xubuntu186when I type iwconfig in a terminal the response is:21:01
xubuntu186l0           no wireless extensions21:01
xubuntu186sorry for my bad english ;(21:01
lderando you see wlan0?21:02
xubuntu186no21:02
xubuntu186My network controller is: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802,11b/g WLAN (rev 01)21:03
heoyeaneed to install drivers21:04
xubuntu186can you recommend me a tutorial or something?21:04
lderanxubuntu186, have you had a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?21:05
xubuntu186Not yet, i'll check it21:05
llldinoSomeone help please, I can't boot from grub unless I use nomodeset21:34
ntzrmtthihu777hullo. is there a way to stop then restart the xfce panel program within a login session? (without logging out/restarting)22:08
genii-aroundntzrmtthihu777: could try alt-f2     and: xfce4-panel22:12
Unit193xfce4-panel -r  for restart.22:14
ntzrmtthihu777genii-around: Unit193: damn, did not do what I hoped, but thank you anyways :D22:19
ntzrmtthihu777basically I'm creating my own set of x11 cursors, problem is it still reverts to previous styles when I hover over the xfce panels.22:22
ntzrmtthihu777I don't suppose any of you know a way to cycle the available mouse cursors in a demo? I'm not sure if I got the timing on my "hourglass" animation right and I wanna test it.22:36
Unit193Nope.22:37
ntzrmtthihu777dang, lol.22:38
ntzrmtthihu777suppose I'll just hafta wait till I accidentally trigger a wait animation XD22:38
xubuntu657Hello I'm trying to install a program called latexifier. the readme says You will need CMake version 2.6 or higher to run the compilation script in the following way : $ cmake . $ make22:55
xubuntu657when i use the make command22:55
xubuntu657i get around 80% finished when it says alot but the biggest problem i can see is22:56
xubuntu657PdfFontCID.cpp:(.text+0x1ef7): undefined reference to `FT_Get_First_Char' PdfFontCID.cpp:(.text+0x207f): undefined reference to `FT_Get_Next_Char'22:56
xubuntu657anyone know what i can do?22:57
llldinoCan someone help? I can only boot from grub using nomodeset, updated my graphics driver this morning23:02
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu657: give me the site you got the tarbal from.23:03
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: you can always edit the grub.cfg so nomodeset is default till you get it sorted23:04
llldinontzrmtthihu777, Ik but I want it sorted now23:04
ntzrmtthihu777llldino: what card/23:05
llldinontzrmtthihu777, NVIDA Gforce 9400m23:05
ntzrmtthihu777=_= damn nvidia23:05
llldinontzrmtthihu777, Shes been good to me up until 6-7 hours ago23:05
xubuntu657ntzrmtthihu777, http://latexifier.com/downloads23:06
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu657: hmm, pdf to latex?23:11
xubuntu657thats the goal23:12
ntzrmtthihu777would you settle for a package in the repos that does it?23:12
xubuntu657i'd settle for anything that does it23:14
ntzrmtthihu777xubuntu657: this thread should be of interest to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=40502223:15
xubuntu657thanks i'll read through it then come back23:16
ntzrmtthihu777w00t, making cursors can be rather fun :P23:17
carreraHello Everyone!  :)23:20
llldinoSup23:21
carreraI finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 and keep my existing RAID 0 partitions!  :)23:21
carreraxubuntu is FAST!  :)23:22
carrerabut the dreaded zeitgeist is running in the bg!23:22
carreraI thought zeitgeist only came with ubuntu23:22
llldinoUm what?23:22
carreraany suggestions on how to remove it without screwing things up?23:23
ntzrmtthihu777lol. what is even zeitgeist for?23:23
carreraOMG... you don't know!23:23
llldinoJust kill it using top23:23
llldinoIts not running on my system23:24
carrerabasically it logs every move you make, even your conversations are logged!23:24
ntzrmtthihu777carrera: ah, yeah I knew dat. paranoiac are you?23:24
carrerallldino, I wish it was that easy. It just comes back23:24
* ntzrmtthihu777 means no offense in this, he is as well23:24
carrerantzrmtthihu777, No, but I'm a Speed Freak!  :)23:25
llldinocarrera, Google it? Lame advice I know but valuable nonetheless23:25
ntzrmtthihu777carrera: did you kill the -daemon -datahub -fts as well?23:25
carrerallldino, I already have and I tried to remove it and the 70 or so dependencies from ubuntu 12.0423:26
llldinocarrera, That sucks23:26
carreraI ended up breaking some useful functionality from my Gnome Fallback session23:26
carreraeven gEdit stopped working23:27
carrerathat was easy to fix but I lost move functionality23:27
carrerabasically, drag & drops made copies of files instead of moving them23:27
ntzrmtthihu777carrera: I'm a speed freak too lol, yeah, I'm far happier with xfce than gnome now :P23:27
carrerato make matters worse, drag & drops to child and parent folders worked!23:28
llldinoYeah, gnome is poup23:28
ntzrmtthihu777I preferred it heavily to unity, but after actually toying with xubuntu a bit I love it :P23:29
carrerantzrmtthihu777, great. I was about to have a cup of coffee with my favorite blueberry muffin. But I have some questions for you after that  sir.23:30
ntzrmtthihu777carrera: izzat so? and why me, lol.23:31
carrerantzrmtthihu777, likewise, I preferred Gnome to Unity. But the Gnome 2 look alike fallback NOT Gnome 323:31
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, gnome-panel not gnome-shell23:31
llldinoYeah Unity is poupier than gnome for sure23:31
ntzrmtthihu777hell with xfce panel I got rid of docky :D23:32
ntzrmtthihu777+brb23:45
carrerawhat's diff between gnome-panel and gnome-shell?23:48
carreraHi ruien!23:51
ruienhey there23:51
carreraare u just starting work?23:51
ruienyep, it's just about 8 AM here.23:52

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