[09:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> hullo. looking into something I found googling xfce themes. seems the info is outta date. I'm looking to set a terminal as my desktop, possible?
[09:38] <knome> ntzrmtthihu777, i'd look at something like tilda or so
[09:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> knome: I ran into that name before... on sec
[09:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm, still not right
[09:56] <knome> i don't think there's any way to completely switch the desktop to a terminal
[09:56] <knome> unless there is some terminal emulator that emulates a desktop as well...
[09:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> twould be cool, no?
[09:58] <knome> i wouldn't like that, but each to their own :)
[10:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> true, lol
[10:02] <ntzrmtthihu777> problem is almost every tut I run into assumes compiz
[10:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup, tilda did it :D
[10:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> or at least close enough for my pleasure :D
[10:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> knome: I got it :P
[10:16] <knome> ntzrmtthihu777, good, enjoy :)
[10:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> between this and screen I can do lotta kewl looking stuffs, lol.
[10:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> one thing I love about linux, the answer to any "Can you do * with linux" question is yes, just it may not be easy/well known how
[10:31] <carrera> Hi Everyone!  :)
[10:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> hullo
[10:34] <carrera> can anyone tell me why when I drag files from the desktop to other folders, a copy is made ratther than a move?
[10:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> strange. honestly I never have desktop files so its moot point for me.
[10:35] <carrera> here is something even more strange
[10:37] <brainwash> carrera: use shift + drag & drop instead
[10:42] <carrera> So I opened the desktop folder and moved some files and guess what?  They were actually moved!
[10:43] <carrera> brainwash, thank u sir. I'm so dumb. I was cut & pasting!!!
[10:44] <ruien> carrera: yes, i believe you can drag with right-click to get a few options as well, but i haven't yet figured out how it determines whether to copy or move by default.
[10:44] <carrera> Hiii Mr. Ruien!
[10:44] <ruien> hi
[10:44] <carrera> Guess what?
[10:44] <ruien> hm, what?
[10:44] <carrera> I finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 and keep my RAID 0 partitions
[10:45] <ruien> wow, good work!
[10:45] <ruien> what was the secret
[10:45] <carrera> mini.iso
[10:45] <threepwood> Hey... Are there any mentions of catastrophic failures when upgrading 12.10 to 13.04?
[10:47] <carrera> and came to my little cousin for Ethernet access
[10:48] <carrera> mini.iso doesn't detect wireless cards
[11:06] <linux_unix-10> hello
[11:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> very nice. since I use irssi in screen I can keep it running in a tilda :D
[11:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> I was trying like hell to get it working with a .desktop launcher that ran gnome-terminal -e 'screen -rd || screen irssi', but it never quite worked correctly :P
[11:23] <xubuntu925> hi, anyone able to help with regards to download of xubuntu?
[11:24] <mouthwash> i want to upgrade from 12.04 (precise) LTS to 13.04. is it possible to do this without first upgrading to 12.10? update manager shows only 12.10. any advice pls?
[11:24] <mouthwash> xubuntu925, could you specify?
[11:25] <xubuntu925> looking for a version for a G4 apple mac... all I can find is intel versions
[11:25] <TheSheep> !powerpc
[11:26] <TheSheep> xubuntu925: basically it's not supported, although there may still be community ports
[11:26] <xubuntu925> OK, that's why I couldn't find a link off the main site then.... thanks a lot I'll go look via your link
[11:29] <xubuntu925> getting it now, thanks mouthwash
[11:29] <mouthwash> xubuntu925, didn't do anything, but you're welcome :p
[11:30] <xubuntu925> think the site could use a visable link to the ports.....
[11:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: honestly as much as I've seen folk in #ubuntu talking about borked update attempts I prefer a clean reinstall; for this reason I always have a separate /home partition
[11:31]  * ntzrmtthihu777 says nothing of his own poor experiences with updates
[11:32] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, i can see the advantages in that. but then i have to reinstall ALL my stuff. not to mention the games i don't remember how i managed to get working
[11:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: wine games or native games?
[11:33] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, wine, native always works fine :) i'd like to try to update the fast way, i can always do a fresh install afterwards if option a fails
[11:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: the wine programs are included in .folders in your ~, so they carry over. I just installed fresh xubuntu instead of a pinguy-to-ubuntu conversion.
[11:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> (I would also recommend playonlinux over wine alone, it makes it so much more manageable.
[11:40] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, never had much succes with playonlinux, and not sure /home inc all the tweaks ie change of sound drivers and such. anyway, i'd still like to try an update first. if only not to have to download all my programs again
[11:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: true, about the actual system tweaks. there is a way to clone your package list, however. and if you use apt-fast you can do it far quicker.
[11:41] <xubuntu222> hi, I m using Precise Pangolin 12.04 LTS, when executing "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" I do get updates VERY seldom. Is that ok (meant like that) or s.th. wrong ? thanks.
[11:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu222: more or less standard. should use apt-get dist-upgrade though.
[11:43] <xubuntu222> ok. thanks. I will
[11:45] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, i still want to avoid setting up my system again unnecessarily. you know if i can upgrade to 13.04 directly?
[11:47] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: no. not my area of expertise, sorry. may I ask why you needa jump to the bleeding edge so soon? quite likely a fair amount of your favorate apps are not yet in the raring repos/up to date.
[11:49] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, i saw a faw features in the latest i really like (plus, it's new :). you'd recommend just waiting for the next LTS?
[11:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> mouthwash: unless something really epic comes out before 14.04 that's what I'm doing ;)
[11:53] <knome> mouthwash, if you're on 12.04, you can't upgrade to 13.04, unless you upgrade to 12.10 first.
[11:54] <mouthwash> knome, how come?
[11:54] <knome> mouthwash, that's how the upgrade path are
[11:54] <knome> mouthwash, you either upgrade to every release, or every LTS release
[11:55] <knome> mouthwash, when you are on an LTS release, you can upgrade to a normal release, but then you must upgrade to every normal release until the next LTS release
[11:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> a rather ugly business.
[11:55] <mouthwash> yeah...
[11:56] <knome> it's not
[11:56] <mouthwash> isn't it?
[11:56] <knome> you either want the long-term support or not
[11:56] <knome> (in majority of the cases at least)
[11:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> knome: exactly, which is why (as I said) I'm sticking with precise till something epic happens or 14.04 gets here, whichever comes first depending on the level of epicness.
[11:57] <knome> imagine how much more testing work it would be to test all upgrades (12.04 to 12.10, 13.04, 13.10 and 14.04 instead of just 12.01 and 14.04)
[11:57] <knome> that's also much more prone to regressions and broken systems after upgrades
[11:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> man I've fallen in love with tilda, lol. must have on all new systems :P
[11:58] <mouthwash> tilda?
[11:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> its a terminal app
[12:00] <xubuntu886> hello, i formated computer and recover files with testdisk. Now all files are root and i dont know how to change it. Anybody can help me ?
[12:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu886: what are you attempting to achieve?
[12:02] <mouthwash> ntzrmtthihu777, knome, thnks for the advice, gotta go
[12:21] <ruien> Does anyone know if it's possible (safely) to "upgrade" an apt-mirror from, say, precise to raring? I have many machines all on 12.04 and all use my mirror. I am considering updating all to 13.04 (probably fresh installs), but I would prefer to avoid putting even more stress on the official repos by downloading a whole mirror. If there's overlap, can I take advantage of that?
[12:36] <engkur> hi all
[12:36] <engkur> xubuntu room here...
[12:36] <lderan> engkur, hey
[12:37] <engkur> why xfce4-session sometime crash, im using xubuntu 13.04 upgrade from 12.10
[12:37] <engkur> but im using xubuntu-dev ppa too
[12:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> ruien: y-ppa-manager can do such.
[12:40] <ruien> ntzrmtthihu777: thanks. I've never heard of y-ppa-manager and I'll look into it. :)
[12:40] <[uzver]> hi!
[12:40] <lderan> Hi!
[12:40] <ntzrmtthihu777> ruien: no prob. if you're feeling brave you can do it with sed too
[12:40] <ruien> engkur: does your xfce4-session crash with any error messages, log messages, etc?
[12:41] <ruien> well i don't have a problem to `sed -i` a bunch of files in a bash for loop or whatever, but i don't know what is safe and what is not safe.
[12:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ruien: exactly, lol. why I said "if you're feeling brave" lol.
[12:41] <ruien> indeed
[12:41] <GridCube> what seems to be the problem
[12:41] <GridCube> ?
[12:42] <ruien> GridCube: are you referring to me, or engkur?
[12:42] <GridCube> any of you
[12:42] <GridCube> :)
[12:44] <ruien> summary: I have used `apt-mirror` and i have a full mirror of the 12.04 repos. I want to upgrade the mirror to 13.04 with consuming the least amount of bandwidth possible from the official repos. It would be rude to blow it away and download a full apt-mirror fresh. I am not sure the best way to upgrade it, and i will look into "y-ppa-manager".
[12:45] <engkur> wait im looking syslog
[12:46] <engkur> like this
[12:46] <engkur> Apr 26 08:20:39 mynotebook kernel: [29177.865635] xfce4-session[8746]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007fb34bc00f7f sp 00007fff5508ad20 error 5 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3600.0[7fb34bb9d000+f9000]
[12:46] <engkur> ruien, this my syslog Apr 26 08:20:39 mynotebook kernel: [29177.865635] xfce4-session[8746]: segfault at ffffffff00000000 ip 00007fb34bc00f7f sp 00007fff5508ad20 error 5 in libglib-2.0.so.0.3600.0[7fb34bb9d000+f9000]
[12:46] <engkur> so im swith to mate, or lxde for now
[12:47] <ruien> engkur: that's a segfault in libglib, is that part of the xubuntu-dev package or is it part of the 13.04 core?
[12:47] <engkur> hmm i dont know...
[12:47] <knome> core.
[12:47] <knome> bbl ->
[12:48] <engkur> this happen when im upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04
[12:48] <GridCube> ruien, i would assume you already read this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors/PushMirroring ?
[12:50] <ruien> GridCube: no, because i pull-mirror by just running `apt-mirror` on a cron daily. Is that relevant? I don't really care about being up-to-the-minute. This is more a one-off conversion from precise apt-mirror to raring
[12:50] <ruien> hopefully I did not completely misunderstand the significance of your link?
[12:51] <GridCube> yes, i know, but couldnt you execute push-mirror once? shouldnt it work like a rsync or zsync and update just stuff that needs updating?
[12:51]  * GridCube has no idea sorry :/
[12:52] <ruien> I'd be hard-pressed to believe it would be smart enough to say "oh, you have a precise repo. Let's fix that to raring for you". But yeah, don't worry about it -- thanks as always for your help :)
[12:53] <GridCube> ruien, in any case why dont you ask at #ubuntu-mirrors P: they should know better
[12:53] <GridCube> emphasis in the should
[12:54] <ruien> cool, i'll check that out
[13:11] <xubuntu280> afternoon all - following some kind of update (sorry I can't be more precise - can't remember exactly which update it was but presumably had something to do with the kernel), my xubuntu 12.04LTS system is no longer booting and goes to a black screen saying "ERROR: No configuration file found. No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found! boot:" which is new to me - any ideas on how this system can be booted?
[13:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: can you get to a tty with ctrl+alt+f1?
[13:13] <xubuntu280> no - can enter something into the boot: dialogue though but no idea what
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: do you have a live disc?
[13:14] <ntzrmtthihu777>  /usb?
[13:15] <xubuntu280> can try making one - so do you suggest I use that to boot from, backup then reinstall?
[13:16] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: no, there are a number of ways to repair an existing install from a live cd.
[13:18] <xubuntu280> OK, will try to make a live USB - then how can it be repaired from that?
[13:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> depends on what is broken. you can chroot into your install and repair that way; would be better if we new the exact command you ran that busted it; did you run it in terminal or a gui app?
[13:20] <xubuntu280> was just an update through update manager, i could probably find which one if there is a list of them somewhere
[13:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> hm. see when you issue commands in terminal a history is stored in ~/.bash_history, assuming the settings were not changed, so that is useful. but I'm not sure about update managaer
[13:23] <GridCube> xubuntu280, in the grub stage you can choose an option called previous linux versions, that allows you to boot on a previous kernel
[13:23] <GridCube> see if that fixes your issues
[13:23] <xubuntu280> doesn't boot as far as GRUB
[13:24] <GridCube> ?
[13:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: exellent point, forgot about that option. would he not have to hold shift or sommat to get the grub screen, however?
[13:24] <GridCube> doesnt get to grub?
[13:24] <GridCube> then theres something fisical going wrong
[13:24] <GridCube> beyond any update
[13:24] <xubuntu280> or the grub config is broken
[13:24] <GridCube> that can be
[13:25] <GridCube> get a live cd and try boot-repair
[13:25] <GridCube> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[13:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: yeah, boot repair is rather nifty.
[13:26] <xubuntu280> yeah thats looking like the best option, unfortunately at work on a windows pc so can't make a live USB at the moment - its definitely not a physical thing as it was working absolutely fine before the restart.
[13:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: unetbootin can create live usb.
[13:27] <xubuntu280> yeah, but the xubuntu laptop won't boot....
[13:27] <GridCube> it will from the usb
[13:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: from hdd, right? have not tried usb yet.
[13:27] <GridCube> unetbootin works on windows
[13:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> yep, on all of the big 3.
[13:28] <xubuntu280> can't make a usb boot yet, that's all - need access to another pc because i won't be able to install software on this one. Silly really. Interestingly, holding shift whilst the broken system boots does get rid of the "No DEFAULT or UI configuration directive found!" bit of the error message, but makes no difference to the situation
[13:28] <GridCube> xubuntu280, :) unetbootin doesnt need installing
[13:29] <GridCube> its a java thingy that just runs
[13:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: is it java, then? I never knew. its how I got into the linux world anyways, lol. unetbootin off of a win7 pc w/ubuntu lucid
[13:30] <xubuntu280> ah, excellent. If ti will work on this system I will give that a shot and hopefully that will solve everything. Is boot-repair on the standard xubuntu live CD/USB?
[13:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu280: no, you will need to add the ppa and install via apt-get
[13:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> the link GridCube gave you has full instructions.
[13:32] <xubuntu280> haha - funny story. My USB drive was still plugged in, and after installing the system originally the BIOS was still set to boot from USB before HDD, so it was trying to boot from a blank USB. Take out the USB and it works fine now.
[13:32] <GridCube> there is an iso that contains the boot-repair, its in the link
[13:32] <xubuntu280> but thanks so much for your help anyway
[13:32] <GridCube> lol
[13:33] <GridCube> silly you xubuntu280
[13:33] <GridCube> XD
[13:33] <lderan> :P
[13:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> XD gotta love when you do something like that :P
[13:50] <ntzrmtthihu777> man tilda can be damn cool http://imagebin.org/255916
[13:58] <GridCube> http://imagebin.org/255921 yep :3
[14:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> :P nice.
[14:05] <lderan> aye
[14:06] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: what command is that? looks like a combo of tree and top
[14:07] <carrera> I was adding New Items to my Panel when I ended up with a white pane for entering commands that I can't get rid of. Any ideas?
[14:07] <GridCube> htop
[14:08] <GridCube> carrera, go to >panel >panel settings >last tab items > search for the verve item and remove it
[14:09] <carrera> GridCube, thanks. Do you know what it is?  There is no About, it's exactly 20 chars wide and it obviously fits on the top panel.
[14:10] <GridCube> its a terminal launcher, you type things there and it happens, its like when you press alt-f2
[14:10] <carrera> oh, it's the Verve Command Line
[14:10] <GridCube> type like "firefox" and it will launch it
[14:10] <carrera> ok
[14:10] <carrera> I typed ls and date but nothing happened
[14:11] <GridCube> carrera, no, you need a terminal for those
[14:11] <GridCube> this is a launcher
[14:11] <GridCube> type thunar /etc
[14:11] <GridCube> and it will open thunar at the /etc directory
[14:12] <carrera> thanks
[14:12] <GridCube> or like. leafpad ~/testfile.txt
[14:13] <carrera> I finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 on my laptop and keep my RAID 0 config,
[14:13] <carrera> I can't turn on the Panel Separators through Panel->Properties
[14:14] <GridCube> set them to autoexpand?
[14:16] <llldino> Hey guys, i'm having trouble with booting 13.04, system hangs after selecting ubuntu off the grub screen, anyone have advice?
[14:18] <kRush> llldino, fresh install or upgrade?
[14:19] <llldino> kRush, fresh
[14:19] <carrera> GridCube, Expand under the Style dropdown is ticked on but still no separators
[14:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: try nomodeset yet?
[14:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> or entering a tty?
[14:20] <llldino> ntzrmtthihu777, No, can you explain please?
[14:20] <GridCube> carrera, could you share a screenshot please?
[14:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: try pressing alt+f1 at the black screen after grub. give it a bit of time before trying it. and before you actually boot from grub edit the grub options for nosplash
[14:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: I think its the e button at the grub menu
[14:22] <llldino> ntzrmtthihu777, K thanks, ill try in a sec
[14:22] <kRush> it's ctrl+alt+f1
[14:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> kRush: only if you're in a graphical session. before that alt+f1-6 alone will do it.
[14:23] <genii-around> Actually, I've found lately console1 is not available until after desktop finishes loading, but console2 is
[14:23] <kRush> I take that back then =)
[14:24] <llldino> So I press e at the menu?
[14:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> kRush: lol, I learn new stuf every day too.
[14:24] <peyam> Hi
[14:24] <llldino> Or ctrl alt f1 after grub?
[14:24] <peyam> 13.04 is out
[14:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: yeah, highlight the default boot and hit e,
[14:24] <peyam> worth to upgrade?
[14:24] <llldino> peyam, Good question lol
[14:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> peyam: I find its best to wait for the next lts.
[14:25] <llldino> peyam, Performance is certainly better but there are tons of bugs
[14:25] <peyam> yeah ofcourse. but I hert it had problem with hdmi out put
[14:25] <peyam> yeah.. it was discussion about skip this release earlier
[14:25] <llldino> peyam, My HDMI is fine for the most part
[14:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: that's nifty :P
[14:26] <peyam> I will wait
[14:26] <llldino> peyam, It won't plug and play, you have to reboot with the cable in the first time so it detects
[14:26] <llldino> peyam, oR RUN A CMD THAT i DO NOT KNOW
[14:26] <GridCube> ntzrmtthihu777, htop?
[14:26] <llldino> Sorry caps
[14:26] <peyam> llldino: I dont use hdmi but I just herd about it. someone gave the suggestion to update ther kernel or something...
[14:27] <GridCube> peyam, :) its very worth to update if you are not an lts fan
[14:27] <llldino> Ok, im gonna try nomodeset
[14:27] <peyam> GridCube: you know me well ;) .. I wait untill the update to the bugs are sufficient.
[14:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: yeah :P
[14:28] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: its definitly goin on my list of oddball stuff to install on new machines, along with curl, screen, lynx, irssi, and inxi
[14:29] <lderan> htop is quite cool
[14:29] <GridCube> :) it is far more useful to me than standard top
[14:29] <peyam> GridCube: any idea about how I update the greyvird theme?
[14:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> kRush: for instance did you know you can use sed expressions in the linux version of skype?
[14:29] <GridCube> peyam, add the shimmer ppa
[14:29] <kRush> I don't use skype
[14:29] <peyam> ntzrmtthihu777: what do you mean? it doesnt have anything to do with ubuntu
[14:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> kRush: lol, still oddly geeky :P
[14:30] <peyam> I use skype all the time. but it doesnt have facebook integration so far on linux
[14:30] <ntzrmtthihu777> peyam: I was stating earlier that I still learn new linux things every day, and gave it as an example.
[14:31] <peyam> ntzrmtthihu777: yeah sorry. im just came.. facebook is awesome
[14:31] <peyam> I mean linux
[14:31] <GridCube> P:
[14:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> well fb runs on linux servers, methinks.
[14:31] <GridCube> :) guys guys, what do you say if we move all the chit chat to #xubuntu-offtopic please :)
[14:32] <peyam> GridCube: do you know anything about changes in greybird?
[14:32] <GridCube> peyam, what do you mean by changes?
[14:33] <peyam> GridCube: how does it look? what are the updates?
[14:33] <GridCube> its stylized but there arent many changes
[14:33] <peyam> hmm not worth to update
[14:33] <GridCube> i liked it, it looks more clean, but i edited the color of the drop downs menues that where almost white, so i used the new gtk-theme-config thing and changed it back to looking good
[14:35] <GridCube> peyam, the new catfish its worthy P:
[14:35] <GridCube> but thats about it XD
[14:35] <GridCube> the rest are bug fixes and updates
[14:35] <peyam> how do I update it? what is the ppa
[14:36] <GridCube> for catfish?
[14:36] <peyam> GREYBIRD
[14:36] <GridCube> oh
[14:36] <peyam> ops
[14:36] <GridCube> shimmer ppa
[14:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> you really don't usually need ppa's for default things.
[14:37] <GridCube> https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ppa
[14:39] <ntzrmtthihu777> lol, running gimp as sudo to edit icons :P
[14:39] <llldino> Ok so nomodeeset worked, but now my graphics is kind of screwed up
[14:39] <llldino> I guess i neepuupdate for my gd a firmware
[14:40] <llldino> Wtf
[14:40] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: why not simply put them in ~/.icons ?
[14:40] <llldino> I mean, I guess I need a firmware update
[14:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: well its an already installed icon. see I switched themes and it does not cover every app I have, and they stick out like a sore thumb
[14:42] <GridCube> you can change per app icons in the launcher
[14:42] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: yeah, but if you put an icon-theme-dir of the same name in ~/.icons they should be inherited
[14:43] <ochosi> and anyway, better get in touch with the icon-maintainer and get him to add your icons ;)
[14:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: thats just it, lol. these icons do not exist yet, so even were I to use the launcher properties to change them I still needa make them first :P
[14:43] <GridCube> P: but then you dont need to put them on any place own by root
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: true that. I shall have to use a ~/.icons and maybe get ahold of him :P
[14:44] <ochosi> just out of curiosity: what icon-theme?
[14:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> GridCube: true. honestly I like keeping most of my custom stuffs in dotfolders in my home, so when I install new version the customs carry over.
[14:44] <GridCube> true
[14:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> azenis-green-icons
[14:45] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: ah, never heard of those
[14:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: they look nice if you're going for that green/black xbox/matrix look
[14:47] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: k, i usually don't do that ;)
[14:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh. its an aesthetic and health thing for me. late nites writing c++ and ruby with white on black is rather painful to the eyes :P
[14:49] <ochosi> yeah, but that's more a question of the editor's color-theme, no?
[14:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> true, but having just one thing like that tends towards sore-thumbism, so may as well go all the way.
[14:50] <ochosi> :)
[14:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> sides which everyone around me thinks I'm a super 1337 hax0rz, so may as well have fun playing the part XD
[15:35] <kgb> ntzrmtthihu777: you could be, except not even your IP is cloaked..;)
[15:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> kgb: ironic name LO
[15:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> *:P
[15:42] <ntzrmtthihu777> or rather appropriate, in this case XD.
[15:44] <kgb> ;P
[15:44] <kgb> come 2 #xubuntu-offtopic if you want 2 discuss it :P :D
[15:53] <aiena> Can someone please tell me which linux kernel version does xubuntu 13.0.4 use as the base in the default ISO ?
[15:54] <holstein> aiena: the same as the main os.. its "13.04"
[15:54] <holstein> aiena: you can always fire up a live CD as well and look
[15:54] <aiena> the kernel ?
[15:54] <aiena> the one in 12.04 is 3.0.40
[15:55] <GridCube> !info linux
[15:55] <aiena> cool !!
[15:55] <GridCube> optional XD lol
[15:55] <aiena> thamks GridCube
[15:55] <holstein> 3.2.0-40-generic-pae aiena .. is what i have in 12.04
[15:56] <aiena> my freinds wifi card was not getting detected with the the 12.04 LTS kernel
[15:56] <aiena> I herd the realtek drvier was there in 3.8 so wnated to decide wether to create the disk or ont :)
[15:56] <aiena> *thanks
[15:56] <holstein> aiena: also, http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-13-04-raring-ringtail-review-7000014497/ has a lot of information
[15:57] <holstein> aiena: you can always fire up the live cd and check on hardware support as well
[15:57] <aiena> holstein the machine is not mine and not with me
[15:57] <aiena> reading online I found out why my freinds card wasnt working
[15:57] <aiena> it wasw reported fixed in 3.8
[15:57] <aiena> thats why I was interested in the base kernel
[15:57] <aiena> as lan is not an option
[15:58] <aiena> so there is no way to get build tools either
[15:58] <aiena> to compile from source
[15:59] <holstein> aiena: whomever may try with the live CD
[15:59] <aiena> yes but I dont want to download a 800gb image if its not going to anyway work :P
[15:59] <aiena> *800 mb
[16:00] <aiena> Iam running 12.0.4 LTS and am happy with it :)
[16:00] <holstein> aiena: in my opinion, and from what i have found in practice. i need the actual kernel on the actual hardware.. and do my own tests
[16:00] <aiena> my freind needs raring because of driver issues.
[16:01] <aiena> which have been documented online.
[16:01] <holstein> aiena: or other hardware
[16:01] <aiena> Well apart from the wifi card the rest of the hardware is the same :)
[16:01] <aiena> with the exception of the processor
[16:01] <aiena> which is a slightly lower model.
[16:01] <aiena> an i3 instead of i5
[16:03] <holstein> aiena: there can be revisions of the hardware between the *exact* same models that would break hardware support
[16:04] <aiena> there could be but everything else has been tested to work fine with precise except the wifi card
[16:04] <aiena> and on further investigation
[16:04] <holstein> aiena: but, that is not what you are after... if you'd like to link the hardware ID, someone might be able to give more specifics.. for me, i wouldnt trust anything til i put the live CD in
[16:04] <aiena> probably. Anyways since I know that its 3.8
[16:05] <aiena> there is a higher probability the wifi card will work
[16:05] <aiena> if it doesnt it doesnt
[16:05] <aiena> thats it
[16:05] <holstein> aiena: well, you "read".. but you dont "know".. there could be a revision in the hardware from the posts you are reading
[16:06] <aiena> the laptop is 2 years old
[16:06] <aiena> a patch was made in 3.8
[16:06] <aiena> and this kernel bversion is higher than recommended
[16:06] <holstein> aiena: its not really about the age, or probability.. its just about if the support is in the kernel or not, or if support can be added with a module
[16:07] <aiena> support can be added
[16:07] <aiena> by compiling source code on 12.04 too
[16:07] <aiena> which is a good option
[16:07] <aiena> however since Ithere is no lan connectivity.
[16:07] <aiena> and therefore no interne4t access  can\t pull dependencies
[16:08] <aiena> so the only way is a bases kernel
[16:08] <holstein> aiena: you dont need lan.. if you wanted to do the work for them, and send them seperately.. but i would just try 13.04 live
[16:08] <aiena> if it works it works
[16:08] <aiena> holstein: thats what I am planning to do anyways now that I know the kernel is 3.8 :)
[16:08] <aiena> lets see
[16:08] <holstein> aiena: you can also send them a link to a mainline kernel with that patch.. a *.deb
[16:09] <aiena> hmm they already patched it in 3.8
[16:09] <holstein> that could be tested in 12.04.. assuming that is what is installed on the machine with no internet
[16:09] <aiena> its not there is 3.0.4
[16:09] <aiena> in the LTS version i tested out today
[16:09] <holstein> aiena: you tested a 3.8 kernel in 12.04? from mainline?
[16:09] <aiena> so thats why i needed to know the raring kernel version
[16:10] <aiena> holstein the 12.04 iso comes with the base of 3.0.37
[16:10] <holstein> aiena: i have 3.2 in 12.04
[16:10] <aiena> sorry 3.2.40
[16:10] <aiena> but I need atleast 3.8
[16:10] <holstein> aiena: but, that is correct.. its *not* 3.8.. but im suggesting you could install a 3.8 and test
[16:10] <aiena> for the realtek wifi card to work
[16:10] <aiena> which seems to be satisfied in the raring iso
[16:10] <aiena> which is good
[16:10] <holstein> aiena: instead of "downloading an entire iso" for testing puposes
[16:11] <aiena> so i can run that live and see.
[16:12] <aiena> holstein how without internet connectivity ?
[16:13] <aiena> ic annot pull dependencies even if I download the source on sa seperate machine.
[16:13] <holstein> aiena: your friend has no other machine?
[16:13] <aiena> nope
[16:13] <holstein> aiena: then, they cant do anything...
[16:13] <aiena> exactly
[16:13] <holstein> aiena: you will need to downoad and mail them a 13.04 cd
[16:13] <aiena> except try rarings base kernel
[16:13] <holstein> aiena: no.. they cant do *anything*
[16:14] <aiena> they cant do anything
[16:14] <holstein> if you cant get anything to them via the internet on *any* machine.. then thay are stuck
[16:14] <aiena> i can create a startup usb
[16:14] <aiena> with raring and the 3.8 kernel
[16:14] <aiena> and then they can do something
[16:14] <aiena> definitely not go back to LRS though
[16:14] <aiena> *LTS
[16:14] <aiena> if the wifi card works with raring it would be cool.
[16:15] <aiena> othereise let the machine remain on windows
[16:15] <aiena> linux does not make so much sense without internet connectivity
[16:15] <holstein> aiena: if the machine is dual booting, you can email/share the deb to a test kernel
[16:16] <aiena> how
[16:16] <aiena> you mena to say
[16:16] <aiena> i can doenload the 3.8 kernel on windows
[16:16] <aiena> and then install it on linux ?
[16:16] <aiena> *download
[16:16] <holstein> aiena: you can download what you want on whatever operating system
[16:16] <aiena> O can
[16:16] <GridCube> !offline | aiena
[16:17] <holstein> aiena: you (your friend) boots windows.. downloads whatever.. puts it on a USB stick, or on a partition (somewhere ubuntu can find the data) and you used it
[16:17] <aiena> GridCube: Ok but can I update the kernel alone through synaptics
[16:17] <GridCube> yes
[16:17] <GridCube> if you got the deb for it
[16:18] <GridCube> though i would investigate further at what you are doing
[16:18] <GridCube> things like kernels aint simple games
[16:18] <aiena> Yes I agree
[16:18] <holstein> i dont think i woud want to run a 3.8 kernel in 12.04 as a long term solution
[16:18] <holstein> but, that could save some time, and get the machine online for you to get to it for remote access or whatever
[16:18] <aiena> on my system I am comfortable with 3.2.40
[16:19] <aiena> only because my freinds comps wifi card does not work with the 3.2 kernel
[16:19] <aiena> i need to try raring
[16:19] <holstein> aiena: yes.. that is clear to me
[16:19] <holstein> aiena: and its not "you need to try raring".. you need to provide support for the wifi.. and using raring is potentially a way to "fix" that
[16:20] <aiena> exactly
[16:20] <holstein> aiena: if your friend *can* boot windows and get online, i would just have them download 13.04 and burn a CD/make a USB
[16:20] <aiena> I already made the USB for my freind
[16:20] <GridCube> im on 3.2.0.32 and i have no problems :P
[16:20] <aiena> so all I need to do is plug it in
[16:20] <aiena> setup the bios to boot from it
[16:21] <aiena> and hope for the best
[16:21] <holstein> aiena: you have a 13.04 usb made? and you are at the machine?
[16:22] <aiena> no
[16:22] <aiena> I am on my machine at home
[16:22] <holstein> aiena: then, what is the question?
[16:22] <aiena> my freinds in his own house with his own laptop
[16:22] <aiena> the question was what was the kernel version
[16:22] <aiena> thats it
[16:22] <holstein> ok.. cheers
[16:22] <aiena> :)
[16:22] <aiena> thanks holstein
[16:22] <aiena> this was a nice discussion though :)
[16:23] <aiena> it helped me explore the option of a 3.8 kernel on LTS
[16:23] <aiena> and th potential pros and cons of it in the process.
[16:23] <holstein> aiena: i think what you need to explore is that your friend *does* have internet access
[16:23] <aiena> exactly
[16:24] <aiena> which I intend to do with raring
[16:24] <holstein> aiena: ?
[16:24] <aiena> with a gulp of hope.
[16:24] <holstein> aiena: no.. right now they do.. from windows
[16:24] <aiena> he does not have internet aceess with 12.0.4
[16:24] <aiena> for certain
[16:24] <aiena> holstein: he does have it from windows
[16:24] <holstein> aiena: correct
[16:24] <aiena> but I am interested in it from linux right
[16:24] <holstein> aiena: you can use that connection.. thats my point
[16:25] <holstein> when i, or another volunteer asks "does your friend have another machine with internet access?".. you can say "yes, but for some reason we are not utilizing it for this issue"
[16:26] <holstein> the way i see it, your friend could download any number of potential fixes right now and try them.
[16:26] <holstein> but, if you have a USB made, and you just want to mail it, or wait til you see him or whatever, thats fine..
[16:27] <GridCube> holstein, you missunderstood
[16:27] <holstein> GridCube: i have.. thtas for sure
[16:27] <holstein> thats*
[16:28] <aiena> holstein: my mistake maybe I didn't put the message across clearly enough !!
[16:28] <aiena> Sorry.
[16:31] <holstein> aiena: im sure you'll get your friend sorted out :)
[16:32] <aiena> I should be able too !!
[16:32] <aiena> otherwise there is always IRC
[16:32] <aiena> and you guys
[16:32] <aiena> to help me dig further :)
[16:40] <aiena> THanks a lot anyways.
[17:04] <spiderman> Hi i read somewhere that its better idea to have separate to partition for home directory, so that in case if you are upgrading or installing other flavors of linux OS, then your personnel data wil lremain safe in home dir.
[17:06] <elfy> spiderman: some people like to do that others don't - personally all the data I care about is seperate from the system install so I don't worry about a seperate /home
[17:07] <spiderman> I have already installed Xubuntu 13.10 on my machine PC,  so far i really dont have anything in home directory... can i now resize my  ext4 root paritition  and then create new partition and have it automatically mounted  after everyboot ?
[17:07] <bekks> spiderman: There is no 13.10 until now, isnt it?
[17:07] <spiderman> sorry i meant 13.04
[17:08] <elfy> oh good :)
[17:08] <elfy> nothing to stop you resizing and creating a seperate partition - you'll want to boot with a live usb or something though
[17:09] <elfy> then look into fstab
[17:09] <elfy> !fstab
[17:09] <elfy> to mount the partition
[17:36] <engkur> hi all
[17:37] <engkur> i think im hit this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1172018
[17:37] <engkur> xfce4-session crash randomly
[17:43] <spiderman> @elfy & @ubottu : thanks
[17:45] <nickw> Should I have to upgrade to 12.10 before I upgrade to 13.04 from Xubuntu 12.04?
[17:45] <kRush> yes
[17:46] <nickw> Cool, I guess that answers that...
[17:46] <nickw> Thanks!
[17:47] <spiderman> @ubottu : are you really ?
[18:01] <GridCube> !bot | spiderman
[18:59] <xfce_newbee> hello, im bored installing new xbuntu, is some one can give me interinsting facts about xubuntu?
[19:00] <well_laid_lawn> it's blue
[19:00] <xfce_newbee> i fuguret taht out allready
[19:00] <peyam> xfce_newbee: light weight. very fast..nice theme.. very configuratable
[19:01] <peyam> it is just ubuntu in different clothes
[19:01] <xfce_newbee> is it posible to configure multiple monitors?
[19:01] <Unit193> It isn't orange!
[19:01] <xfce_newbee> it
[19:01] <xfce_newbee> color of your choice
[19:01] <peyam> xfce_newbee: Im running it on dual monitor
[19:01] <xfce_newbee> what about multi monitors
[19:01] <lderan> It has a mouse logo?
[19:01] <Unit193> xfce_newbee: Yeah, you can use arandr to do that.
[19:01] <peyam> yes it is possible
[19:02] <xfce_newbee> what if its just 2 mirored monitors , i want extend desktop
[19:02] <peyam> it is possible
[19:02] <peyam> if you have two output ports in ur mechin
[19:02] <xfce_newbee> yes, i do... but now (in installing stage) its just same signal
[19:03] <Cheri703> xfce_newbee: unsupported option is to install xfce 4.12, that's what I did and it's been completely fine: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[19:03] <xfce_newbee> im afraid of worst that is hoax
[19:04] <kgb> with nVidia all you needs is to install nvidia-settings
[19:05] <xfce_newbee> this is actualy helppful i think, when its finishes il try both methods
[19:06] <kgb> i wouldn't recommend installing sfce 4.12 unsupported test rls
[19:06] <Cheri703> one thing to note: it's not a smooth process to go back to 4.10 (at least I was unable to)
[19:06] <Cheri703> so try arandr
[19:06] <Cheri703> first
[19:06] <peyam> xfce_newbee: http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com/2013/03/06/dual-monitor-in-xfce-xubuntu/
[19:06] <Cheri703> mine has been fine, but I'm just saying
[19:07] <xfce_newbee> nice, very nice...
[19:08] <xfce_newbee> and another thing last time i trry to enter recovery mode (vie grub loader) i cant enter this grub menu
[19:08] <xfce_newbee> is it somthing wrong with system*(was)
[19:08] <peyam> xfce_newbee: you should update grub
[19:08] <peyam> it is easy
[19:08] <peyam> enter with you live cd
[19:08] <peyam> ¡grub
[19:08] <xfce_newbee> im instaling new cuz of this
[19:09] <peyam> u will have the same problem
[19:09] <xfce_newbee> but realy what can be wrong?
[19:09] <xfce_newbee> i dont see this moment when it shoud be\
[19:09] <xfce_newbee> is it posible to change default grub load without root?
[19:10] <kgb> Grub Customizer isn't bad for controlling the Grub without CLI
[19:10] <peyam> xfce_newbee: you need to update the grub
[19:14] <xfce_newbee> thank you for your help
[19:14] <peyam> xfce_newbee: wait
[19:14] <peyam> I wil send you a link
[19:15] <peyam> xfce_newbee: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[19:16] <peyam> this will repair ur grub
[19:17] <xfce_newbee> how come it get broke??
[19:18] <xfce_newbee> so its need to be repared?
[19:18] <peyam> its not broke
[19:18] <xfce_newbee> what leed to this effect?
[19:18] <kgb> nah, it didn't correctly repair the windows bootloader on the 100mb start HDD partition and i ended up with 2 windows bootloaders
[19:18] <xfce_newbee> why the its need to be repaerd?
[19:18] <peyam> you said you had problem seeing the optiopn
[19:18] <peyam> in the boot
[19:18] <xfce_newbee> yes, problem seeing it at all
[19:19] <xfce_newbee> in moment when its must be grub loader just blank
[19:19] <xfce_newbee> and... nothing
[19:19] <xfce_newbee> then (after grub timeout) its boot up
[19:19] <peyam> kgb: windows make two partition.. one with 100 mb och one with the os
[19:19] <peyam> yes
[19:19] <peyam> it will fix ur problem
[19:19] <peyam> so as soon as you installed the xubuntu. log in to your live desk and follow the instructions
[19:20] <kgb> peyam: yeah and that program duplicated the windows bootloader, which isn't what was needed; doesn't seem too reliable.
[19:20] <peyam> kgb: I dunno. it hasn't made me any trubble.
[19:54] <aiena> Is there a way to configure GRUB to give you more time at the bootloader instead of the default 10 secods e.g suppose I want it to give me 20 seconds to choose instead ?
[19:54] <knome> !grub
[19:54] <knome> see the last link
[19:54] <aiena> thanks knome
[20:15] <jmagunduni> anybody home?
[20:17] <knome> !anybody | jmagunduni
[20:19] <jmagunduni> :-(
[20:20] <bazhang> whats the question jma
[20:21] <bazhang> whoops
[20:21] <knome> gone. :)
[20:21] <bazhang> hehe yeah ask n' quit
[20:21] <knome> well, "don't ask and quit" :P
[20:22] <bazhang> hehe
[20:24] <w30> any one besides me having resolution changing troubles in the 13.04 upgrade?
[20:24] <bazhang> using xrandr?
[20:25] <w30> I have to do it twice to make it work with xfce4-settings-manager
[20:27] <xubuntu017> hi...i want install privated drivers to my video card ATI Radeon series 4000
[20:27] <bazhang> privated?
[20:27] <w30> also when I logout I get the wrong login screen resolution
[20:28] <aiena> !poll
[20:29] <aiena> xubuntu017: do you mean proprietary ?
[20:29] <David-A> xubuntu017: do you mean proprietary driver? have looked in system settings, Additional Drivers?
[20:29] <w30> every thing straightens out eventually with repeated logouts; its just flaky
[20:52] <xubuntu186> hi everybody
[20:54] <kgb> hi xubuntu186 welcome ;)
[20:54] <xubuntu186> ;)
[20:55] <xubuntu186> I'm an absolute beginner in xubuntu and i'm having some problems with my wireless card
[20:58] <lderan> what's your problem?
[20:59] <xubuntu186> I can't see any wireless network
[21:00] <xubuntu186> And ethernet doesn't seems to work too
[21:00] <xubuntu186> I'm looking some tutorials
[21:01] <xubuntu186> when I type iwconfig in a terminal the response is:
[21:01] <xubuntu186> l0           no wireless extensions
[21:01] <xubuntu186> sorry for my bad english ;(
[21:02] <lderan> do you see wlan0?
[21:02] <xubuntu186> no
[21:03] <xubuntu186> My network controller is: Broadcom Corporation BCM4311 802,11b/g WLAN (rev 01)
[21:04] <heoyea> need to install drivers
[21:04] <xubuntu186> can you recommend me a tutorial or something?
[21:05] <lderan> xubuntu186, have you had a look at this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx ?
[21:05] <xubuntu186> Not yet, i'll check it
[21:34] <llldino> Someone help please, I can't boot from grub unless I use nomodeset
[22:08] <ntzrmtthihu777> hullo. is there a way to stop then restart the xfce panel program within a login session? (without logging out/restarting)
[22:12] <genii-around> ntzrmtthihu777: could try alt-f2     and: xfce4-panel
[22:14] <Unit193> xfce4-panel -r  for restart.
[22:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> genii-around: Unit193: damn, did not do what I hoped, but thank you anyways :D
[22:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> basically I'm creating my own set of x11 cursors, problem is it still reverts to previous styles when I hover over the xfce panels.
[22:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> I don't suppose any of you know a way to cycle the available mouse cursors in a demo? I'm not sure if I got the timing on my "hourglass" animation right and I wanna test it.
[22:37] <Unit193> Nope.
[22:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> dang, lol.
[22:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> suppose I'll just hafta wait till I accidentally trigger a wait animation XD
[22:55] <xubuntu657> Hello I'm trying to install a program called latexifier. the readme says You will need CMake version 2.6 or higher to run the compilation script in the following way : $ cmake . $ make
[22:55] <xubuntu657> when i use the make command
[22:56] <xubuntu657> i get around 80% finished when it says alot but the biggest problem i can see is
[22:56] <xubuntu657> PdfFontCID.cpp:(.text+0x1ef7): undefined reference to `FT_Get_First_Char' PdfFontCID.cpp:(.text+0x207f): undefined reference to `FT_Get_Next_Char'
[22:57] <xubuntu657> anyone know what i can do?
[23:02] <llldino> Can someone help? I can only boot from grub using nomodeset, updated my graphics driver this morning
[23:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu657: give me the site you got the tarbal from.
[23:04] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: you can always edit the grub.cfg so nomodeset is default till you get it sorted
[23:04] <llldino> ntzrmtthihu777, Ik but I want it sorted now
[23:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> llldino: what card/
[23:05] <llldino> ntzrmtthihu777, NVIDA Gforce 9400m
[23:05] <ntzrmtthihu777> =_= damn nvidia
[23:05] <llldino> ntzrmtthihu777, Shes been good to me up until 6-7 hours ago
[23:06] <xubuntu657> ntzrmtthihu777, http://latexifier.com/downloads
[23:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu657: hmm, pdf to latex?
[23:12] <xubuntu657> thats the goal
[23:12] <ntzrmtthihu777> would you settle for a package in the repos that does it?
[23:14] <xubuntu657> i'd settle for anything that does it
[23:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu657: this thread should be of interest to you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=405022
[23:16] <xubuntu657> thanks i'll read through it then come back
[23:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> w00t, making cursors can be rather fun :P
[23:20] <carrera> Hello Everyone!  :)
[23:21] <llldino> Sup
[23:21] <carrera> I finally managed to install xubuntu 13.04 and keep my existing RAID 0 partitions!  :)
[23:22] <carrera> xubuntu is FAST!  :)
[23:22] <carrera> but the dreaded zeitgeist is running in the bg!
[23:22] <carrera> I thought zeitgeist only came with ubuntu
[23:22] <llldino> Um what?
[23:23] <carrera> any suggestions on how to remove it without screwing things up?
[23:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> lol. what is even zeitgeist for?
[23:23] <carrera> OMG... you don't know!
[23:23] <llldino> Just kill it using top
[23:24] <llldino> Its not running on my system
[23:24] <carrera> basically it logs every move you make, even your conversations are logged!
[23:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: ah, yeah I knew dat. paranoiac are you?
[23:24] <carrera> llldino, I wish it was that easy. It just comes back
[23:24]  * ntzrmtthihu777 means no offense in this, he is as well
[23:25] <carrera> ntzrmtthihu777, No, but I'm a Speed Freak!  :)
[23:25] <llldino> carrera, Google it? Lame advice I know but valuable nonetheless
[23:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: did you kill the -daemon -datahub -fts as well?
[23:26] <carrera> llldino, I already have and I tried to remove it and the 70 or so dependencies from ubuntu 12.04
[23:26] <llldino> carrera, That sucks
[23:26] <carrera> I ended up breaking some useful functionality from my Gnome Fallback session
[23:27] <carrera> even gEdit stopped working
[23:27] <carrera> that was easy to fix but I lost move functionality
[23:27] <carrera> basically, drag & drops made copies of files instead of moving them
[23:27] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: I'm a speed freak too lol, yeah, I'm far happier with xfce than gnome now :P
[23:28] <carrera> to make matters worse, drag & drops to child and parent folders worked!
[23:28] <llldino> Yeah, gnome is poup
[23:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> I preferred it heavily to unity, but after actually toying with xubuntu a bit I love it :P
[23:30] <carrera> ntzrmtthihu777, great. I was about to have a cup of coffee with my favorite blueberry muffin. But I have some questions for you after that  sir.
[23:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: izzat so? and why me, lol.
[23:31] <carrera> ntzrmtthihu777, likewise, I preferred Gnome to Unity. But the Gnome 2 look alike fallback NOT Gnome 3
[23:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, gnome-panel not gnome-shell
[23:31] <llldino> Yeah Unity is poupier than gnome for sure
[23:32] <ntzrmtthihu777> hell with xfce panel I got rid of docky :D
[23:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> +brb
[23:48] <carrera> what's diff between gnome-panel and gnome-shell?
[23:51] <carrera> Hi ruien!
[23:51] <ruien> hey there
[23:51] <carrera> are u just starting work?
[23:52] <ruien> yep, it's just about 8 AM here.