| mramm2 | davecheney: sorry, I missed you at the meeting time, and then went to dinner | 01:08 |
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| davecheney | mramm2: wanna talk now ? | 01:19 |
| mramm | davecheney: sure | 01:22 |
| mramm | I don't have much of an agenda, just touching base | 01:22 |
| mramm | since we talked sunday | 01:22 |
| davecheney | mramm: yeah, i don't have anything to add | 01:22 |
| mramm | cool | 01:22 |
| mramm | then we can skip it | 01:22 |
| davecheney | is wed 8:30 our regular time ? | 01:22 |
| mramm | and I'll let you keep up the good work ;) | 01:22 |
| mramm | well, not regular | 01:22 |
| davecheney | cool | 01:23 |
| mramm | I just scheduled it after my talk with Tim | 01:23 |
| davecheney | i'm sorta behind today agfter LP was out all yestedday | 01:23 |
| davecheney | no lp == no ppa == no boostrap :( | 01:23 |
| mramm | gotcha | 01:23 |
| mramm | no worries | 01:23 |
| davecheney | william has asked for one more load test run, with the presence code commented out | 01:23 |
| mramm | I sent an e-mail this evening about the blueprint stuff (to the whole team) | 01:23 |
| davecheney | given we have to give the load test resources back on the 3rd | 01:24 |
| mramm | davecheney: yea | 01:24 |
| davecheney | it's probably worthwhile fitting it in this week | 01:24 |
| davecheney | re: email, read and understood | 01:24 |
| mramm | davecheney: agreed | 01:24 |
| davecheney | jolly good, as you were | 01:25 |
| davecheney | mramm: one thing, re my email about tracking patches to backport | 01:25 |
| davecheney | i don't think that page captures it totally | 01:25 |
| davecheney | which means everyone is keeping their own imcomplete list | 01:26 |
| davecheney | which means we'll probably miss something for the next 1.10 point release | 01:26 |
| davecheney | which is bad | 01:26 |
| mramm | Yea | 01:26 |
| mramm | I think we should talk about this at the meeting | 01:26 |
| mramm | I'm not sure everything needs to be backported | 01:27 |
| davecheney | mramm: that is fine | 01:27 |
| mramm | 1.12 will probably be less than a month away | 01:27 |
| mramm | so it isn't a huge deal | 01:27 |
| mramm | but we should *know* what is being backported | 01:27 |
| mramm | and *know* what is not | 01:27 |
| davecheney | ^ exactly | 01:27 |
| mramm | and have *good reasons* for which is which | 01:27 |
| davecheney | mramm: maybe lp/bzr has good tools to do this automatically | 01:28 |
| davecheney | i don't konw | 01:28 |
| davecheney | a google doc is a lofi solution | 01:28 |
| mramm2 | yea | 01:28 |
| mramm2 | there is a target series thing in lp | 01:28 |
| mramm2 | not that I know if it makes sense | 01:29 |
| mramm2 | anyway, I think I'm going to bug out for the evening.... I'll look into the problem and see if I can find a solution to recommend before the meeting. | 01:29 |
| thumper | davecheney: I'm heading out to take the kids out for exercise. I'm taking my laptop to work on blueprints/specs but won't necessarily be online | 01:34 |
| thumper | will have mobile | 01:35 |
| davecheney | thumper: no worries | 01:36 |
| davecheney | understood | 01:36 |
| davecheney | m_3: ping | 02:09 |
| davecheney | i'm doing another load test run | 02:09 |
| davecheney | fwereade: wanted to see what it looks like with the agent presence facility turned off | 02:09 |
| hazmat | is there a way to forcibly remove a unit, i hit another case of a wedged unit in bug 1175031 | 03:59 |
| _mup_ | Bug #1175031: wedged unit state error but can't be resolved <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1175031> | 03:59 |
| rogpeppe | mornin' all | 08:39 |
| dimitern | guys, my network connection is rather flaky since yesterday evening - coming on and off frequently, and generally being unstable | 08:52 |
| rogpeppe | dimitern: welcome to the club! | 08:54 |
| dimitern | rogpeppe: thanks :| i hope it'll get better, but sometimes is almost unusable | 08:54 |
| rogpeppe | dimitern: i'm lucky that my mobile internet bandwidth is pretty good here, so i've got an alternative | 08:55 |
| dimitern | so, with my internet troubles and considering it's a public holiday today here, i'll be off | 10:14 |
| dimitern | see you all tomorrow | 10:14 |
| mgz | later dimiter | 10:16 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: ping | 10:48 |
| rogpeppe | that annoying feeling when you know you've implemented something in the past, but can't remember where it is, or even what you called it. | 11:06 |
| rogpeppe | ha! found it | 11:09 |
| mgz | jam: standup? | 11:31 |
| jam | mgz: logging in now | 11:35 |
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| rogpeppe | mramm, fwereade: kanban? | 14:01 |
| mramm | still in another meeting | 14:02 |
| mramm | be there in a couple of min | 14:02 |
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| fwereade | rogpeppe, mramm: sorry, public holiday, I should have said | 18:03 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: np | 18:03 |
| fwereade | rogpeppe, are you aware of a reason juju set doesn't use statecmd? | 18:04 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: possibly. let me check. | 18:04 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: possibly because it worked as well with methods on state.Service | 18:06 |
| fwereade | rogpeppe, hmm, ok, I might have to do something about that -- Service.SetConfigYAML doesn't feel like a sane thing at all to me | 18:07 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: it SetConfigYAML may well have preceded statecmd, i'm not sure | 18:09 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: hmm, no it didn't | 18:10 |
| rogpeppe | i wish i knew how to interpret the revnos printed by bzr blame | 18:12 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: you didn't seem to think it too bad here: https://codereview.appspot.com/8626043/diff/5001/state/service.go#newcode739 | 18:13 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: but i'd be ok seeing it move if you do mind the churn | 18:14 |
| rogpeppe | s/do/don't/ | 18:14 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: BTW you might be interested in this. it's a JSON representation of the API: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5622552/ | 18:17 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: there are quite a few possible applications for the info | 18:18 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: i have to jump on my bike and go back from town | 18:29 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: might pop my head in later | 18:29 |
| rogpeppe | fwereade: if not, see ya tomoz | 18:30 |
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| thumper | morning | 21:12 |
| thumper | hi fwereade (if you are still around) | 21:12 |
| fwereade | thumper, hey, more or less; sorry, long time no speak | 21:12 |
| thumper | fwereade: that happens | 21:12 |
| thumper | I was just thinking this morning that it had been a while since we had talked | 21:12 |
| fwereade | thumper, how's it going? | 21:14 |
| thumper | bit of a headache this morning, but not sure if that is lack of coffee or from being punched in the head | 21:14 |
| thumper | :) | 21:15 |
| thumper | it has been quite a slow week as I have had to deal with kids on school holidays | 21:15 |
| thumper | i'm trying to get some meat into some of the blueprints for next week | 21:15 |
| fwereade | thumper, ouch | 21:17 |
| fwereade | thumper, I am much exercised by service config setting | 21:17 |
| thumper | although it is the ribs that is hurting right now | 21:17 |
| thumper | what do you mean by service config setting? | 21:17 |
| fwereade | thumper, juju set | 21:18 |
| thumper | right, what's the problem? | 21:18 |
| fwereade | thumper, egregious incompatibility in --config flag | 21:18 |
| fwereade | thumper, but on looking at it, ow, my brain | 21:18 |
| fwereade | thumper, and, fair enough, the --config flag seems reasonably obvious | 21:19 |
| fwereade | thumper, *but* it appears to have been implemented without actually checking what python did | 21:20 |
| thumper | fwereade: I have some sekrit work to make jcastro happy... (I implemented switch) | 21:20 |
| fwereade | thumper, <3 | 21:20 |
| thumper | fwereade: oh, and I guess that is a problem | 21:20 |
| fwereade | thumper, yeah -- and there's a SetConfigYAML method on Service which I reviewed with by-far-not-enough whining :/ | 21:21 |
| fwereade | thumper, and is in hindsight profoundly wrong | 21:21 |
| thumper | I've been half thinking recently about things like pubsubhubbub | 21:21 |
| fwereade | thumper, but forgivable because the SetConfig implementation is *itself* profoundly icky, because it sets typed data as a map[string]string, and gaah | 21:21 |
| thumper | heh | 21:22 |
| fwereade | thumper, so with enough kicking that can be collapsed into a SetConfig(map[string]interface{}) that at least has the data of the right type, and validates it | 21:22 |
| thumper | my juju mind has been somewhat split between: logging, ha, containerisation, status announcements | 21:22 |
| fwereade | thumper, and with slight shame tacking the weird YAML behaviour (not at *all* obvious) onto charm.Config, and bleh | 21:23 |
| fwereade | thumper, I haven't really managed to settle cleanly on a high-level topic at all, I have to spend tomorrow on blueprints | 21:23 |
| thumper | fwereade: does it really need a "step back and reevaluate"? | 21:23 |
| thumper | and take a fresh look at roles and responsibilities? | 21:24 |
| fwereade | thumper, the config stuff? | 21:24 |
| thumper | yeah | 21:24 |
| fwereade | thumper, it was somehow implemented wrong and without tests, so I kinda needed to fine-tooth comb it to figure out what was going on | 21:25 |
| thumper | ouch | 21:25 |
| fwereade | thumper, it seems to be nonstandard in several ways | 21:25 |
| fwereade | thumper, each individually forgivably so, but end-to-end it's very confusing | 21:26 |
| thumper | it becomes a tough call | 21:27 |
| fwereade | thumper, that was the stuff I was trying to dump on you when you first joined, all I had then was a slight intimation of it being weird and needing a look | 21:27 |
| thumper | heh | 21:28 |
| thumper | yay, dodged a bullet there | 21:28 |
| fwereade | thumper, in this case I'm fairly comfortable choosing to fix rather than to layer on what feel like further hacks | 21:28 |
| thumper | yeah, good call | 21:28 |
| fwereade | m_3, ping | 21:30 |
| fwereade | thumper, anyway, sorry, you were saying much more interesting things | 21:33 |
| thumper | :) | 21:33 |
| thumper | I had a good chat with the BDFL of docker | 21:34 |
| fwereade | cool! | 21:34 |
| thumper | he is CEO of dotcloud | 21:34 |
| thumper | unfortunately he is on holiday for two weeks starting Monday | 21:34 |
| thumper | but is going to make sure someone from their office goes to the gophers meetup | 21:34 |
| thumper | docker are very keen to work with us | 21:34 |
| thumper | to make sure we get what we need | 21:34 |
| thumper | anyway, I've added quite a bit to the containerisation spec | 21:35 |
| thumper | and I was going to start on HA spec today | 21:35 |
| fwereade | awesomesauce | 21:35 |
| thumper | however I have some ideas that don't fit into specs | 21:36 |
| thumper | in particular rationalizing logging | 21:36 |
| thumper | and having a way to publish status changes | 21:36 |
| thumper | a la pubsubhubbub type thing | 21:36 |
| thumper | just a publish/subscribe hub | 21:36 |
| thumper | if we had the api server and other commands publish on the bus, | 21:37 |
| thumper | we could potentially have something like 'juju observe' | 21:37 |
| thumper | very hand wavey right now | 21:37 |
| thumper | as I've spent exactly 5 minutes actively thinking about it | 21:38 |
| thumper | rest of the time it has been quietly perculating in the hind-brain | 21:38 |
| bigjools_ | g'day | 22:37 |
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| hazmat | thumper, that sounds nice.. api server publishing messages, instead of state txn tail | 23:01 |
| thumper | hazmat: it would be nice, but I've not put too much thought into it yet | 23:01 |
| thumper | hazmat: we could then have a log listener that takes the events and logs them | 23:01 |
| thumper | hazmat: but we could also hook in other listeners | 23:02 |
| hazmat | thumper, yes.. aka audit trail | 23:02 |
| * thumper nods | 23:02 | |
| thumper | I may also hack up a different logging implementation based on my C++ work in the past | 23:02 |
| * thumper has written too many logging systems | 23:02 | |
| thumper | there would be differences, but I think we could make on that is idiomatic go without too much trouble | 23:03 |
| hazmat | thumper, i was trying out a few web api server broadcasting messages for a thought experiment it works well | 23:03 |
| thumper | I don't get what you are saying there :) | 23:03 |
| thumper | what were you testing? | 23:03 |
| hazmat | i ended up on rabbitmq.. after trying hard to with zeromq.. | 23:03 |
| hazmat | thumper, seeing what a juju api server for internal api would look like | 23:04 |
| thumper | ok | 23:04 |
| hazmat | thumper, i ended up using the existing juju-core api for an embeded watch/observer in a new version of juju deployer.. the client side is useful already.. embedded in the server api is nice as stat/audit/rate limit. | 23:07 |
| hazmat | thumper, not sure what you mean by logging impl | 23:07 |
| thumper | hazmat: have logging categories | 23:07 |
| thumper | and be able to set verbosity on a category by category level | 23:07 |
| thumper | with sub categories | 23:08 |
| hazmat | log hierarchy | 23:08 |
| thumper | so set juju.api to INFO, juju.uniter.upgrade DEBUG etc | 23:08 |
| thumper | aye | 23:08 |
| thumper | hazmat: I had a good one I write for unity | 23:08 |
| thumper | hazmat: that is lovely in C++ but won't work in go | 23:09 |
| thumper | as no maros, and no object lifetime | 23:09 |
| hazmat | i gotta imagine there's something extant already | 23:09 |
| thumper | so slight changes needed | 23:09 |
| thumper | hazmat: you'd think that... | 23:09 |
| thumper | but most of the existing ones are horrible | 23:09 |
| thumper | log4cpp was a bad port of log4j | 23:09 |
| thumper | and boost logging was fugly | 23:09 |
| hazmat | thumper, then again i would have thought the same about flocks | 23:09 |
| hazmat | ;-) | 23:10 |
| thumper | :) | 23:10 |
| AeroNotix | hi guys | 23:55 |
| thumper | s'up? | 23:56 |
| * thumper waves at davecheney | 23:56 | |
| AeroNotix | https://github.com/AeroNotix/hpcloud so I've been working on these | 23:56 |
| AeroNotix | I'm not super familiar with the launchpad site so I can't see how complete goose is | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | or what features it provides | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | but it seems that we have a very similar design | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | i.e. you have a central Client type which you then embed in submodules | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | from what I gather, at least | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | I am thinking if you would be open to me trying to merge my code base with yours | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | providing you want the features it has | 23:57 |
| AeroNotix | I assume you're looking to bind to a lowest common set of available endpoints which most openstack providers... provide | 23:58 |
| thumper | AeroNotix: a good person to poke about goose is wallyworld_ | 23:59 |
| thumper | I don't know anything about it | 23:59 |
| AeroNotix | paging wallyworld_ | 23:59 |
| wallyworld_ | hello | 23:59 |
| AeroNotix | If you could read the scroll back it'd save me a lot of typing :P | 23:59 |
| * wallyworld_ reads | 23:59 | |
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