| === smartboyhw__ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: dunno, I tried installing kubuntu-desktop in a armhf chroot | 07:03 |
|---|---|---|
| shadeslayer | and it was pulling zenity | 07:03 |
| BluesKaj | Hey all | 10:14 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: that's because zenity is still first choice | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | okay | 10:39 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: do you think you can have a look at framebuffer stuff on the nexus 10 when we meet? | 10:40 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: sure, shall I also write you a display manager? | 10:41 |
| shadeslayer | yus plz | 10:41 |
| shadeslayer | ;) | 10:42 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: talk to the sddm folks whether they can do that? | 10:44 |
| shadeslayer | huh? | 10:44 |
| yofel | nvm | 10:44 |
| yofel | didn't have enough coffee today yet | 10:44 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 10:44 |
| ghostcube | hi folks | 11:05 |
| ghostcube | just updated 12.10 to 13.04 64 bit | 11:05 |
| ghostcube | notices that a wrong qdbus package is installed | 11:06 |
| ghostcube | its the i386 one instead of amd64 | 11:06 |
| ghostcube | :) | 11:06 |
| yofel | o.O | 11:06 |
| ghostcube | after installing qdbus:amd64 desktop works again | 11:06 |
| ghostcube | only for info | 11:06 |
| yofel | ghostcube: mind sharing your /var/log/apt/history.log? | 11:07 |
| ghostcube | no problem pls wait a moment | 11:07 |
| ghostcube | yofel: history doesnt show do-release-upgrade from yesterday | 11:18 |
| yofel | hm... | 11:19 |
| yofel | is there anything in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ? | 11:19 |
| ghostcube | yep history log | 11:20 |
| ghostcube | i will post it | 11:20 |
| ghostcube | yofel: http://nopaste.info/4f9ca10823.html | 11:23 |
| yofel | weird, that only shows qdbus:i386 for upgrade. Can you check in the old history logs whether qdbus:amd64 was removed at some point please? | 11:24 |
| ghostcube | ok | 11:27 |
| ghostcube | but desktop worked fine tilll update | 11:28 |
| ghostcube | after the update dekstop freezes with dbus error at kdm login | 11:28 |
| ghostcube | is there any call changed inside maybe? so it needs amd64 | 11:28 |
| apachelogger | yofel: this here issue may be related to the poweroff button always shutsdown issue which is also apparently due to qdbus transitional weirdness | 11:50 |
| yofel | hum | 11:50 |
| ghostcube | i searched some logs ut i cant find any removal of qdbus | 11:52 |
| ghostcube | *but | 11:52 |
| BluesKaj | I'm crossposting this , because I think it needs it. I wonder what happened to the 64 bit builds for the hdmi/intel audio patch that was published earlier this week , it. seems to have disappeared ..this is the 32 bit url : https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+packages | 12:12 |
| BluesKaj | hmm, ignore that post above , guess the 32 bit works on 64bit arch | 12:18 |
| sheytan | apachelogger: ping pong | 12:51 |
| apachelogger | yes? | 12:51 |
| sheytan | apachelogger: what was that package i had to install to run the ldm theme we were working on? | 12:52 |
| sheytan | it doesn't seem to work without it | 12:52 |
| apachelogger | kubuntu-qtquick-components or some such | 12:53 |
| sheytan | might it be, that without this, the theme doesn't even display on the list in kcm? | 12:53 |
| apachelogger | nah | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | well | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | the theme rc file format and such schanged | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | *changed | 12:54 |
| apachelogger | so I guess that's why it is not showing up | 12:54 |
| sheytan | well, do i still need those qtqucik components to make it work? | 12:55 |
| apachelogger | yes | 12:55 |
| sheytan | are they still somewhere in launchpad? | 12:56 |
| Quintasan | \o | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | yofel: http://bd.summit.net/blog/2013/04/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/ | 14:05 |
| Mamarok | why is kdelibs-dbg a hard dependency for amarok-dbg? | 14:31 |
| Mamarok | it makes sense maybe, but some people have no broadband and not much sapce | 14:31 |
| yofel | Mamarok: it recommends it, that's not a hard dependency | 14:47 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | Recommends: kdelibs5-dbg | 14:48 |
| shadeslayer | ^^ | 14:48 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I heard about that, but that doesn't tell how people got the 32bit version installed in the first place | 14:49 |
| yofel | as qdbus:i386 being used on a 64bit system sounds kinda wrong | 14:49 |
| Mamarok | yofel: ah, OK | 14:54 |
| Mamarok | then that guy told it wrong :) | 14:54 |
| yofel | Mamarok: what might have happened is that kubuntu-debug-installer just installs it as it's recommended | 14:57 |
| yofel | you can't de-select packages there I believe | 14:57 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 14:58 |
| apachelogger | it's not a package manager ^^ | 14:58 |
| yofel | would be cool if muon had a kpart it could just embed for that ^^ | 14:59 |
| Mamarok | right, that's why people are complaing that they have to install 280 Mb for "just Amarok" | 14:59 |
| Mamarok | and I was surpised to hear it also install kdelibs debugging symbols | 15:00 |
| shadeslayer | lol | 15:00 |
| Mamarok | but fine for me, just a hard ride for people with little space and slow connections | 15:00 |
| Mamarok | surprised* | 15:00 |
| jazz | hi all | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | if you have limited resources a locale trace may not be the best choice anyway | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | unfortunately of course drkonqi has no approach to remote retracing in any capacity, so that is a bit fishy | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | ... IMO a kpart would not solve the problem, you may still need to have kdelibs installed in order to get a usable backtrace | 15:04 |
| apachelogger | in particular every amarok backtrace contains symbols from at least kdelibs and qt due to how k/qapps work | 15:05 |
| apachelogger | if a user were to actively deselect stuff it would in many instance lead to a bug report, and then the triager asking for a complete backtrace, and then the user being frustrated because he downloaded some 50 mib and it still was not good enough | 15:06 |
| apachelogger | (the entire trace experience is le crap, though that is a big and complicated issue from a KDE perspective) | 15:07 |
| genii-around | Kubuntu support cycle matches regular Ubuntu ? | 15:49 |
| yofel | genii-around: it should IIRC | 15:49 |
| genii-around | yofel: OK, thanks | 15:49 |
| yofel | genii-around: at least right now I don't think we have any differences for the LTS releases, for the normal ones we have the same support time anyway | 15:50 |
| genii-around | yofel: Because I think the LTS are 5 years now unified, wasn't sure if still on 3 or went to 5 now too | 15:51 |
| yofel | genii-around: 12.04 is 5, 10.04 is 3 | 15:52 |
| genii-around | yofel: Cool, that's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure. | 15:52 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 15:53 |
| yofel | genii-around: wrt #kubuntu, we cannot put kde in the official backports. Too many dependencies to test | 16:03 |
| genii-around | yofel: Is it still installable through the ppa? | 16:05 |
| yofel | genii-around: the backports PPA has 4.10.2 for precise | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | precisely | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | =D | 16:08 |
| shadeslayer | the pun is strong in this one | 16:09 |
| apachelogger | quite saucy statement | 16:11 |
| * apachelogger emits yawning | 16:11 | |
| genii-around | Heh. | 16:11 |
| yofel | now this is fun. I just tried to make an install using the mini.iso, which failed because d-i tries to run grub-install on the wrong disk o.O | 16:12 |
| genii-around | Tries to run it on the DVD drive or something? | 16:13 |
| yofel | on the flash drive (sda), the hdd is sdb | 16:13 |
| yofel | ah lol, if I select "don't install in MBR" then I can manually select where it should install it on | 16:14 |
| genii-around | Grub is very unintuitive. When I update my 10.04 on another partition in sdb it installs to sda then I have to go back, boot to my 13.04 on sda and re-run update-grub all the time | 16:17 |
| yofel | brrrr | 16:17 |
| yofel | bug 1174689 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 | 16:17 |
| yofel | where is our desktop setup script again? this sounds fishy... | 16:33 |
| yofel | plasma-desktop(2085)/plasma DesktopCorona::printScriptError: Startup script errror: "Error: TypeError: Result of expression 'panels()[i]' [undefined] is not an object. at line 46 | 16:33 |
| yofel | Backtrace: | 16:33 |
| yofel | <anonymous>()@:46" | 16:33 |
| afiestas | Riddell: do you know if we finally have daily snapshots for kscreen? | 16:34 |
| afiestas | I'd like to confirm that the patch fixes the crash that is being reported, but we can't do that if we don't patch the package first :33 | 16:34 |
| Riddell | hum, didn't shadeslayer set that up ages ago? | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | I don't think so | 16:35 |
| afiestas | at the moment I wanted them for Quantal, now I need them for rarin | 16:35 |
| apachelogger | neon has kscreen | 16:35 |
| yofel | the source import is only used by the neon recipe, so it seems like that's all we have | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: kubuntu-default-settings | 16:37 |
| yofel | thanks | 16:37 |
| shadeslayer | or kubuntu-settings-desktop now :P | 16:37 |
| Riddell | afiestas: hum no I don't see it I'm afraid, I'm busy just now but can look at it tomorrow I think | 16:38 |
| afiestas | will make the release then, and use the snapshots next time | 16:38 |
| shadeslayer | I had to read that 3 times because I kept substituting kscreen with ksnapshot | 16:38 |
| * apachelogger off | 16:39 | |
| yofel | hm... | 16:39 |
| yofel | //Create more panels for other screens | 16:39 |
| yofel | why o.O? | 16:39 |
| shadeslayer | because, panels! | 16:39 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: so, I have a to do a release now | 16:40 |
| afiestas | what dafuq should I do Sr? | 16:41 |
| shadeslayer | releaseme? | 16:42 |
| * afiestas installs ruby | 16:43 | |
| afiestas | not working | 16:45 |
| afiestas | ._. | 16:45 |
| afiestas | apachelogger: ! | 16:45 |
| afiestas | wakeup | 16:45 |
| shadeslayer | it's software, did you expect it to work? | 16:49 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: apachelogger FYI gstreamer transition is going to be blocked till we also port qgst | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | alternatively, we drop ktp and bring back kopete :P | 16:50 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: can you even build the CM TF101 kernel? | 16:57 |
| Quintasan | not really | 16:57 |
| Quintasan | as in | 16:57 |
| shadeslayer | *headdesk* | 16:57 |
| Quintasan | Do you want me to try? | 16:57 |
| shadeslayer | no, I meant, have you even tried | 16:57 |
| Quintasan | No, but I think it won't work | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | because I get this : /tmp/ccQeqQD5.s: Error: .size expression for __tegra_cpu_reset_handler_data does not evaluate to a constant | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | with CM101 | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | tell me about it :| | 16:58 |
| Quintasan | you might want to try to backport some fixes from 3.1 divemaster | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | and the flipping Nexus 10 won't show anything on the screen | 16:58 |
| shadeslayer | WHY IS THIS SHIT SO HARD | 16:58 |
| Quintasan | it's not hard, it just requires special knowledge :P | 16:59 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | I have no idea what's going wrong with X and the Nexus 10 though | 17:00 |
| shadeslayer | I mean, no errors whatsoever, except some cryptic issues in lightdm | 17:00 |
| === superfly_ is now known as superfly | ||
| yofel | meh, found the issue with the plasma script | 17:12 |
| yofel | it's setting up panels for other desktops assuming the primary screen panel is already there - but it isn't | 17:13 |
| yofel | Riddell: there? | 17:16 |
| yofel | panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 | 17:16 |
| yofel | a) why set the height twice? | 17:16 |
| yofel | b) are all panels supposed to have the same height? | 17:17 |
| afiestas | Riddell: tags pushed, tarballs waiting to be moved | 17:22 |
| afiestas | feel free to package it whenever possible | 17:22 |
| afiestas | (libkscreen and kscreen 0.0.92) | 17:22 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer: Try adding KDE Microblog to your desktop and adding your twitter account | 17:36 |
| yofel | does that still not work? | 17:36 |
| Quintasan | if it doesn't crash the plasma-desktop then it fails to do anything because twitter asks you to input some pin number into the application | 17:36 |
| yofel | brrrr | 17:37 |
| Quintasan | I have no idea where the hell I'm supposed to input that | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | hmm actually | 17:37 |
| shadeslayer | it grabs my gravatar | 17:37 |
| yofel | it tries to open some window for identi.ca when I last tried it. But that didn't work right | 17:37 |
| Quintasan | it also shows my avatar shadeslayer but first it crashes the desktop and even then it doesnt do anything | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | didn't crash for me | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | but yeah, nothing in the wiedget | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | *widget | 17:38 |
| shadeslayer | aaaaandddd crash | 17:39 |
| yofel | and empty folderview widget looks somwhat sad... | 17:40 |
| yofel | *an | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | skype being wtf now | 17:43 |
| yofel | skype itself or the discussion on the bug? | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | trying to buy credit results in a failed transaction | 17:43 |
| shadeslayer | and I bought credits with the same card last time | 17:43 |
| yofel | lol | 17:44 |
| shadeslayer | and ofcourse, skype support is out | 17:50 |
| Quintasan | christ | 17:51 |
| Quintasan | I just noticed | 17:52 |
| Quintasan | but some plasmoids | 17:52 |
| Quintasan | scale reaaaaaaaaaaaaly badly if you place them on an vertical panel | 17:52 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader) | 17:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] | 17:52 |
| yofel | /tmp/buildd/rekonq-2.3.0/src/webtab/webview.cpp:77:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory | 18:17 |
| yofel | #include <X11/Xlib.h> | 18:17 |
| yofel | ^ | 18:17 |
| yofel | compilation terminated. | 18:17 |
| yofel | gcc-4.8 = usability++ | 18:17 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | clang like error messages ftw :) | 18:22 |
| yofel | clang is still a tad better, but this already helps a lot | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: also, you won't believe it, if I go through the "Add new card" process in skype and pay that way, it works | 18:22 |
| yofel | lolwhat | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | yeah :/ | 18:22 |
| shadeslayer | I suspect it's because of the 3D secure code thingum | 18:23 |
| yofel | kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.5.0 | 18:23 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175273 | 18:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1175273 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.5.0" [Undecided,New] | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | hah | 18:24 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130430230347_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Microprocessors_May_Require_New_Power_Supply_Units_for_PCs.html | 18:24 |
| yofel | lol | 18:25 |
| yofel | this skype bug is becoming a total chaos | 18:28 |
| yofel | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/100 | 18:28 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1155327 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,Confirmed] | 18:28 |
| shadeslayer | ahaha | 18:29 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/93 | 18:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1155327 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,Confirmed] | 18:30 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: there's *at least* 2 issues that can make skype crash | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 18:31 |
| * shadeslayer hasn't had skype crash till now | 18:31 | |
| yofel | it seems like a 3rd one is using a newer glib than raring has | 18:31 |
| shadeslayer | *newer* glib? :S | 18:32 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: #97 | 18:33 |
| shadeslayer | *facedesk* | 18:34 |
| shadeslayer | I need one kernel hacker pronto | 18:36 |
| shadeslayer | git clone at 1 KBps | 18:43 |
| yofel | hopefully not the kernel | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | you hoped wrong | 18:43 |
| yofel | my condolences | 18:43 |
| shadeslayer | more precisely http://git.chromium.org/chromiumos/third_party/kernel-next.git | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | yeah, it's been cloning since 6 PM | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | so just over 6 hours | 18:44 |
| shadeslayer | 74% done though | 18:44 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1175168] Typo in kde-window-manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175168 (by Pierre Slamich) | 18:55 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1175168 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Typo in kde-window-manager" [Low,Triaged] | 18:55 |
| ahoneybun | hey shadeslayer | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | hi apachelogger | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | erm | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: | 18:59 |
| ahoneybun | whats going on | 19:00 |
| shadeslayer | well, cloning a kernel, objdump'ing my coursera assignment to solve it, and looking for kernel devs :P | 19:01 |
| ahoneybun | oh any luck with the cloning? and kernel devs? | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | cloning has been on for 6 hours :P | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | almost done | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | 94% | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | can't find a kernel dev, no | 19:03 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: oh wish I could help but I have no exp. in dealing with the kernel, I have not even built one for source | 19:04 |
| shadeslayer | me neither | 19:04 |
| ahoneybun | if there is something I can help with just tell me | 19:05 |
| shadeslayer | not really | 19:12 |
| ahoneybun | just saying | 19:16 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: hey, how's the n7? | 19:25 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: I can't get it past initram screen | 19:27 |
| yofel | :/ | 19:27 |
| ahoneybun | does not mount right | 19:27 |
| ahoneybun | yea I know | 19:28 |
| ahoneybun | I need new images | 19:29 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: btw. the others already asked but I can't find any answer: what would you be interested most in with helping? Or anything you have some experience in? | 19:32 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: yes, of course | 19:33 |
| ahoneybun | I have some graphic design skills, web design, and I have seen some python | 19:34 |
| ahoneybun | and built some packages from source | 19:34 |
| ahoneybun | or so the n7 says mounting /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /root failed invalid arguement | 19:35 |
| ahoneybun | *argument | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | uhhhh 0.o | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | that's odd | 19:36 |
| * yofel tries to remember what could cause an invalid argument... | 19:37 | |
| ahoneybun | I think Riddell is stuck at the same point | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 19:39 |
| shadeslayer | well, I'll be meeting him soon, so maybe we can debug together | 19:39 |
| ahoneybun | yea | 19:41 |
| BluesKaj | that sounds dangerous shadeslayer :) | 19:41 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: thanks for the info, it's great to have someone with design skills. I work mostly on packaging, scripting or Q/A if you have questions there | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | "Tonight at 11, Exploding Nexuses after hackers get together" | 19:41 |
| shadeslayer | He can have a look at my N10 and I'll look at his N7 :P | 19:42 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/05/01/water-cooled-raspberry-pi-computer-complete/1 | 19:42 |
| ahoneybun | cool | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: sudo fastboot -c "root=/dev/mmcblk0p9 ro console=tty1 rootwait rootfstype=ext4" flash:raw boot path_to_/moslo-nexus7/zImage-moslo | 19:43 |
| BluesKaj | running 13.10 here, or what can be called a facsimile i guess , so far so good , onlu one little segfault with FF | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | is is same way this image is set up | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | the same dir | 19:43 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: rofl :D | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | pro tip 1 : don't need sudo | 19:43 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: uhhh ... I don't see a initramfs in there | 19:43 |
| ahoneybun | I know but its the same dir /dev/mmclk0p9 | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | same dir? | 19:44 |
| ahoneybun | /dev/mmclk0p9 is the same directory that I am having issues mounting | 19:45 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer | well, /dev/mmclk0p9 is the userdata partition | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer | you want to mount that as the root partition | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer | except init is failing | 19:46 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: are you sure you're using an ubuntu initrd | 19:46 |
| ahoneybun | um, I'm using the images from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/ | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | I always pack my initrd and kernel together | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | uhh yeah | 19:47 |
| shadeslayer | I don't know if that bootimg has a ubuntu initrd | 19:47 |
| ahoneybun | oh well I just followed the wiki | 19:48 |
| shadeslayer | ahoneybun: I should have something for you on Monday | 19:51 |
| ahoneybun | ok thats fine | 19:52 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo) | 19:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1175299 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong" [Undecided,New] | 19:56 |
| ahoneybun | what happens if you install Ubuntu on the n7 and try to install KDE active afterwords | 20:06 |
| ahoneybun | ? | 20:06 |
| shadeslayer | won't work | 20:07 |
| yofel | I tried that with quantal, it was a mess | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | Ubuntu uses the Android bits like SurfaceFlinger | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | and AudioFlinger | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | or well | 20:07 |
| yofel | ah | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | it uses some sort of PA plugin to interact with AF | 20:07 |
| shadeslayer | but yeah, it uses AF | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | so when you try to run X11 that interferes with SF | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | and for reasons I don't know, you can't kill SF | 20:08 |
| shadeslayer | I tried that | 20:08 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok | 20:08 |
| ahoneybun | what about Ubuntu Touch? | 20:09 |
| ahoneybun | nvm | 20:09 |
| ahoneybun | same thing | 20:09 |
| shadeslayer | yep | 20:09 |
| ahoneybun | have you heard of unixstickers? | 20:10 |
| shadeslayer | never | 20:10 |
| ahoneybun | oh cool site with FOSS stuck | 20:10 |
| ahoneybun | http://www.unixstickers.com | 20:10 |
| === popey_ is now known as popey | ||
| ahoneybun | they give some money to Linux Mint for the sell of their stickers | 20:11 |
| ahoneybun | I'm trying to get the new Kubuntu 13.04 docs and read though those for errors | 20:13 |
| shadeslayer | not sure why I'd pay for stickers you usually get for free at confs :P | 20:13 |
| shadeslayer | I have like a whole bunch of them | 20:13 |
| shadeslayer | I even have duckduckgo stickers somewhere | 20:14 |
| ahoneybun | well I don't have any fests to go to | 20:14 |
| ahoneybun | any that I can reach anyway | 20:14 |
| shadeslayer | are you in the EU> | 20:21 |
| shadeslayer | ? | 20:21 |
| ahoneybun | USA, Florida | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | ah | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | still more meetups than in Delhi/Gurgaon, India :P | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | UDS was once held in Florida, it was fun | 20:22 |
| ahoneybun | I know I was in Plant City but I could not go as I could not drive at that time anyway, and never been on the highway | 20:23 |
| shadeslayer | oh drat | 20:24 |
| shadeslayer | I'll have to put my mouse in a separate bag and check it in :/ | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | because they won't allow batteries on the flight -.- | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | I get to make presentations using my trackpad, hurray | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | sahfdsahfsakhfiqhjoifwhaoiuf | 20:25 |
| ahoneybun | oh | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/01/plasma-desktopvm1560.png | 20:25 |
| yofel | what kind of policy is that o.O | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | THAT'S INTERESTING | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | yofel: that's a policy on all the flights afaik | 20:25 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: QML will fix all of that | 20:26 |
| yofel | Quintasan: hm? (I like the background ^^) | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | QML is going to become the magic sauce of KDE | 20:26 |
| yofel | shadeslayer: I obviously haven't been flying lately... july will be the first time in quite a while | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | shadeslayer, yofel: look at the background of the calendar when I click on the binary clock | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | can any of you reproduce that? | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | oh | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | haha | 20:26 |
| yofel | ah that | 20:26 |
| shadeslayer | plasma theme cache broken | 20:26 |
| Quintasan | It's damn clean raring install | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | wat | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | can't reproduce | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | ehhh | 20:27 |
| yofel | me neither | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | though font colors are all wrong | 20:27 |
| yofel | but the theme is known to have rendering issues under some circumstances | 20:27 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: also, opera? really? | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | maybe rekonq? | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | lol | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | or bloatfox? | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | readding the widget fixed that | 20:29 |
| yofel | I use opera sometimes, it's not that bad | 20:29 |
| yofel | not being able to open an accidentally closed tab is what annoys me, but that's all | 20:29 |
| ahoneybun | weird | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | opera doesn't have ctrl-shift-t in 2013 | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | doesn't classify as a browser then :P | 20:29 |
| shadeslayer | When I discovered Ctrl+shift+t It was a whole new world ^)^ | 20:30 |
| shadeslayer | ^_^ | 20:30 |
| yofel | heh | 20:30 |
| ahoneybun | maybe we should update the kubuntu-desktop image in the kubuntu-docs? | 20:35 |
| yofel | wait, didn't we remove the docs? | 20:35 |
| yofel | or which ones do you mean? | 20:35 |
| ahoneybun | I just bzr from launchpad | 20:36 |
| ahoneybun | the ones from lp | 20:36 |
| yofel | ask Riddell what plans he had for the docs, I believe they're currently unmaintained | 20:36 |
| Quintasan | it does lol | 20:37 |
| ahoneybun | the xml in hardware is messed up | 20:38 |
| Quintasan | ctrl+shift+t was in Opera since 9.81 I think | 20:38 |
| yofel | ah ok, nvm then | 20:38 |
| ahoneybun | a lot of them are | 20:38 |
| yofel | I never knew the keyboard shortcut for that | 20:39 |
| yofel | and in the UI I can't find that | 20:39 |
| ahoneybun | yofel: can't I make the changes and then push it, then he can review them? | 20:40 |
| yofel | ahoneybun: sure | 20:40 |
| ahoneybun | maybe I'll wait on him before I put too much work into it | 20:48 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: you never say hi to me :( | 20:52 |
| apachelogger | afiestas: gimme a log maybe? | 20:52 |
| apachelogger | also I fail to understand why people never get their tools lined up before they need them | 20:52 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: he did I believe | 20:54 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: kopete was here to stay anyway | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | yofel: regarding more panels: more = better | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | bug 1174330 | 20:56 |
| ubottu | bug 1142213 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1174330 emacs23/24 GUI does not start when run in Kubuntu 13.04 with oxygen-gtk theme enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1142213 | 20:56 |
| apachelogger | finally a feature that just happened | 20:56 |
| apachelogger | I like | 20:56 |
| yofel | apachelogger: well, that I can somehow understand, still needs fixing. And Riddell need to tell me what that code is supposed to do, right now it feels just wrong | 20:57 |
| yofel | *needs | 20:58 |
| apachelogger | it's so you get more panels | 20:59 |
| yofel | I'm talking about | 20:59 |
| yofel | panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 | 20:59 |
| yofel | "panels()[i]" is totally unpredictable at that poing | 20:59 |
| yofel | *point | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | I dunno | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | you only pasted one line :P | 20:59 |
| apachelogger | and that is predictable :P | 21:00 |
| yofel | grrrrr | 21:00 |
| yofel | apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/735926/ line 46 | 21:00 |
| yofel | IMO that's supposed to be | 21:01 |
| yofel | - panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 | 21:01 |
| yofel | + panel.height = screenGeometry(i).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | that line is so shitty it makes me cry | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | did I write that or Riddell? | 21:01 |
| yofel | him | 21:01 |
| apachelogger | well | 21:02 |
| apachelogger | annotate says that was pulled in from upstream | 21:02 |
| yofel | annotate says something about more panels as well | 21:02 |
| yofel | + neon doesn't crash | 21:03 |
| apachelogger | what's the sync then ^^ | 21:03 |
| yofel | dunno ^^ | 21:03 |
| yofel | uhm........ | 21:04 |
| yofel | apachelogger: that is upstream code actually | 21:04 |
| yofel | /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | I really do not think Riddell would write a chain assignment with ternary if | 21:04 |
| yofel | but the panel is loaded *before* the code there | 21:04 |
| yofel | so it works | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | he's already not amused when I do pointer simulation in bash :P | 21:04 |
| yofel | hehe | 21:04 |
| apachelogger | yofel: what do you think by panel is loaded? | 21:05 |
| yofel | loadTemplate("org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel") | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | AH | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 21:05 |
| apachelogger | that kinda sorta is missng entirely | 21:05 |
| yofel | upstream first loads the panel, then the code | 21:05 |
| yofel | we do that the other way around | 21:06 |
| yofel | which crashes, obviously | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 21:06 |
| yofel | leeme try just reordering the code | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | wait | 21:06 |
| apachelogger | so | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | what we need to do is override org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | not 00-default | 21:07 |
| yofel | good point | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | we appear to only fiddle with the panel | 21:07 |
| apachelogger | so loading the template rather than having to manually sync up 00-default seems the way to go | 21:08 |
| yofel | how does one override the template? | 21:08 |
| * yofel only started with plasma scripting today | 21:08 | |
| apachelogger | that I do not know | 21:09 |
| apachelogger | assuming that was implemented corretly upstream you should just need to replicate the thing in kubuntu-settings | 21:09 |
| apachelogger | i.e. there's probably a desktop file in services that defines where to find the scripty | 21:10 |
| apachelogger | so you'll need two files in kubuntu-settings | 21:10 |
| apachelogger | or perhaps | 21:10 |
| apachelogger | only replicating the code file may be sufficient | 21:10 |
| apachelogger | in theory anyway | 21:10 |
| yofel | well, just reordering the code fixes the crash | 21:11 |
| yofel | that'll be ok as an SRU | 21:11 |
| Riddell | yofel: you pinged? | 21:11 |
| Riddell | been out doing business all day, still on the road | 21:11 |
| yofel | Riddell: we're talking about our broken plasma init script | 21:12 |
| Riddell | these support people seem like just our sort | 21:12 |
| yofel | now that's good to hear at least :) | 21:12 |
| Riddell | yofel: what's up with it? | 21:12 |
| yofel | Riddell: crashes when you have more than 1 screen attached at login (bug 1174689) | 21:12 |
| ubottu | bug 1174689 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 | 21:12 |
| yofel | *at first login | 21:13 |
| Riddell | ug | 21:13 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: like our sort? confused and overworked? :P | 21:15 |
| yofel | lol | 21:15 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: what are you going to do with kubuntu-docs? | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah well SRU just move the crap to the top | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | though the upstream code seems really fishy too | 21:16 |
| apachelogger | no clue what panels() does | 21:17 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: hope some nice person comes along to maintain it? | 21:17 |
| yofel | panels() gives you an array of all panels | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | but to me that assignment reads like it is accessing the same panelInstance.height | 21:17 |
| yofel | yeah, hence my confusion | 21:17 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: if you're a nice person and want to maintain it,awesomeness! | 21:17 |
| ahoneybun | I was looking into it and the xmls do not seem to work, they give a few error messages | 21:17 |
| apachelogger | also binding the panel height to screen0's geometry rather than its respective screen's geometry seems wrong | 21:18 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: right, first thing would be to decide if docbook is actually what it need or if something like a wiki would be better, I don't really know | 21:18 |
| ahoneybun | docbook is the program and wiki is internet based? | 21:18 |
| Riddell | docbook is the xml it is currently in which through fiddly means gets turned into html | 21:19 |
| Riddell | wiki is like wiki.kubuntu.org, a website that can be easily edited | 21:19 |
| ahoneybun | wiki would much better but needs some form of offline viewing as well | 21:20 |
| yofel | apachelogger: I'm adding a trello todo to look at that more closer | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | so panel[i] == newlyCreatedPanel as i is always > 1 | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | albeit it fails because we have no intial panel for the intial screen | 21:20 |
| ahoneybun | heck some of this is saying to use konqueror | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | iff the if >1 was not there or the panel creation was moved before the loop it would work | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | (although without the if you basically get one panel you don't need and that panel will have the appropriate content ^^) | 21:21 |
| Riddell | yofel: I synced 00-defaultLayout.js with upstream's default as much as possible | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | ahoneybun, Riddell: there's an upstream tendency to eventually do away with docbook and use wikis so in due time that will probably solve itself | 21:22 |
| yofel | apachelogger: just for reference, the bug I mentioned is an access on panels()[1] with only one panel present | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | i.e. for offline viewing you could simply make a static html snapshot of the wiki at release day | 21:22 |
| apachelogger | which ought to be simple enough at least with mediawiki | 21:23 |
| Riddell | yofel: it creates a broken activity by default | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | yofel: yeah, that's what I said | 21:23 |
| yofel | apachelogger: right, too tried to read -.- | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | it looks 0 to n | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | 0 => nothing happens | 21:23 |
| apachelogger | 1 => code happens, i =1 but panels().length ==1, i.e. there is no panels()[i=1] | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | apachelogger: thanks for the info | 21:23 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: what do you want to do? | 21:24 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: I /think/ a wiki would be better but really don't know, needs experi | 21:25 |
| * Riddell runs out of battery | 21:25 | |
| yofel | apachelogger: ROFL | 21:25 |
| yofel | upstraeam... | 21:25 |
| yofel | a65d05f7 (Aaron Seigo 2011-04-30 13:01:38 +0200 15) panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 | 21:26 |
| yofel | Author: Aaron Seigo <aseigo@kde.org> | 21:26 |
| yofel | Date: Sat Apr 30 13:01:38 2011 +0200 | 21:26 |
| yofel | give me back my small panel! | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: how would I go about getting into the wiki to do this? | 21:26 |
| yofel | well ok, it's Davide Bettio that's responsible for the original WTF-ness of that line | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | yofel: forget about that and tell aseigo that he writes ugly wrong code :P | 21:28 |
| apachelogger | that should get things moving :P | 21:28 |
| yofel | apachelogger: to save him, he only did s/768/1024/ there | 21:28 |
| yofel | though he didn't fix it either | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | the blame blames aseigo :P | 21:29 |
| yofel | 9747b2e6 (Davide Bettio 2011-04-27 16:52:59 +0200 15) panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 768 ? 35 : 27 | 21:29 |
| yofel | before that it was just | 21:29 |
| yofel | db68adfd (Davide Bettio 2011-04-27 12:51:36 +0200 15) panel.height = 27 | 21:29 |
| apachelogger | I like the current one better | 21:30 |
| apachelogger | keeps people from tinkering with it :P | 21:30 |
| sreich | yofel: what is that, a default? | 21:35 |
| sreich | layout default, rather | 21:35 |
| yofel | sreich: plasma default layout init script | 21:35 |
| ahoneybun | does muon use kpackagekit? | 21:49 |
| yofel | muon doesn't use packagekit | 21:49 |
| yofel | and kpackagekit was what's now called apper | 21:49 |
| ahoneybun | ok I'm updating the images for the docs | 21:54 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo) | 22:03 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1175299 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong" [Undecided,Invalid] | 22:03 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1174605] No unlock dialogue after locking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174605 (by naught101) | 23:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1174605 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "No unlock dialogue after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 23:04 |
| Quintasan | Plasma Workspaces 2, huh? | 23:29 |
| ahoneybun | Quintasan: not sure either | 23:41 |
| Quintasan | what you are not sure about ahoneybun? | 23:41 |
| ahoneybun | Plasma Workspaces 2 | 23:42 |
| Quintasan | Well, there is nothing to be unsure about, they will release them in Q2 2014 | 23:42 |
| Quintasan | and at least for 2 years we get bugfixes for 4.11 | 23:42 |
| Quintasan | and then we'll probably switch to Qt 5 for good | 23:43 |
| Quintasan | Can't be sure about that but I guess that would be the best course of action for us imo | 23:43 |
| ahoneybun | 4.11 | 23:43 |
| ahoneybun | in 2 years? | 23:44 |
| Quintasan | no | 23:44 |
| Quintasan | ahoneybun: 4.11 will be the last feature release | 23:44 |
| Quintasan | then we get only bugfixes for 4.11 | 23:44 |
| ahoneybun | no new features? | 23:45 |
| Quintasan | Yes, no new features | 23:45 |
| ahoneybun | cool I would love just bugfixes | 23:45 |
| Quintasan | Whole feature development will move to Plasma Workspaces 2 | 23:45 |
| Quintasan | That said I'm going to bed | 23:46 |
| Quintasan | 2 in the morning here | 23:46 |
| Quintasan | Good night. | 23:46 |
| ahoneybun | good night Quintasan its 7 pm here | 23:46 |
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