[07:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dunno, I tried installing kubuntu-desktop in a armhf chroot
[07:03] <shadeslayer> and it was pulling zenity
[10:14] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's because zenity is still first choice
[10:39] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:39] <shadeslayer> okay
[10:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you think you can have a look at framebuffer stuff on the nexus 10 when we meet?
[10:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: sure, shall I also write you a display manager?
[10:41] <shadeslayer> yus plz
[10:42] <shadeslayer> ;)
[10:44] <yofel> shadeslayer: talk to the sddm folks whether they can do that?
[10:44] <shadeslayer> huh?
[10:44] <yofel> nvm
[10:44] <yofel> didn't have enough coffee today yet
[10:44] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:05] <ghostcube> hi folks
[11:05] <ghostcube> just updated 12.10 to 13.04 64 bit
[11:06] <ghostcube> notices that a wrong qdbus package is installed
[11:06] <ghostcube> its the i386 one instead of amd64
[11:06] <ghostcube> :)
[11:06] <yofel> o.O
[11:06] <ghostcube> after installing qdbus:amd64 desktop works again
[11:06] <ghostcube> only for info
[11:07] <yofel> ghostcube: mind sharing your /var/log/apt/history.log?
[11:07] <ghostcube> no problem pls wait a moment 
[11:18] <ghostcube> yofel: history doesnt show do-release-upgrade from yesterday
[11:19] <yofel> hm...
[11:19] <yofel> is there anything in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ?
[11:20] <ghostcube> yep history log 
[11:20] <ghostcube> i will post it
[11:23] <ghostcube> yofel: http://nopaste.info/4f9ca10823.html
[11:24] <yofel> weird, that only shows qdbus:i386 for upgrade. Can you check in the old history logs whether qdbus:amd64 was removed at some point please?
[11:27] <ghostcube> ok
[11:28] <ghostcube> but desktop worked fine tilll update
[11:28] <ghostcube> after the update dekstop freezes with dbus error at kdm login
[11:28] <ghostcube> is there any call changed inside maybe? so it needs amd64 
[11:50] <apachelogger> yofel: this here issue may be related to the poweroff button always shutsdown issue which is also apparently due to qdbus transitional weirdness
[11:50] <yofel> hum
[11:52] <ghostcube> i searched some logs ut i cant find any removal of qdbus
[11:52] <ghostcube> *but
[12:12] <BluesKaj> I'm crossposting this , because I think it needs it. I wonder what happened to the 64 bit builds for the hdmi/intel audio patch that was published earlier this week , it. seems to have disappeared ..this is the 32 bit  url : https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+packages
[12:18] <BluesKaj> hmm, ignore that post above , guess the 32 bit works on 64bit arch
[12:51] <sheytan> apachelogger: ping pong
[12:51] <apachelogger> yes?
[12:52] <sheytan> apachelogger: what was that package i had to install to run the ldm theme we were working on?
[12:52] <sheytan> it doesn't seem to work without it
[12:53] <apachelogger> kubuntu-qtquick-components or some such
[12:53] <sheytan> might it be, that without this, the theme doesn't even display on the list in kcm?
[12:54] <apachelogger> nah
[12:54] <apachelogger> well
[12:54] <apachelogger> the theme rc file format and such schanged
[12:54] <apachelogger> *changed
[12:54] <apachelogger> so I guess that's why it is not showing up
[12:55] <sheytan> well, do i still need those qtqucik components to make it work?
[12:55] <apachelogger> yes
[12:56] <sheytan> are they still somewhere in launchpad?
[13:48] <Quintasan> \o
[14:05] <apachelogger> yofel: http://bd.summit.net/blog/2013/04/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/
[14:31] <Mamarok> why is kdelibs-dbg a hard dependency for amarok-dbg?
[14:31] <Mamarok> it makes sense maybe, but some people have no broadband and not much sapce
[14:47] <yofel> Mamarok: it recommends it, that's not a hard dependency
[14:48] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Recommends: kdelibs5-dbg
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ^^
[14:49] <yofel> apachelogger: I heard about that, but that doesn't tell how people got the 32bit version installed in the first place
[14:49] <yofel> as qdbus:i386 being used on a 64bit system sounds kinda wrong
[14:54] <Mamarok> yofel: ah, OK
[14:54] <Mamarok> then that guy told it wrong :)
[14:57] <yofel> Mamarok: what might have happened is that kubuntu-debug-installer just installs it as it's recommended
[14:57] <yofel> you can't de-select packages there I believe
[14:58] <apachelogger> yeah
[14:58] <apachelogger> it's not a package manager ^^
[14:59] <yofel> would be cool if muon had a kpart it could just embed for that ^^
[14:59] <Mamarok> right, that's why people are complaing that they have to install 280 Mb for "just Amarok"
[15:00] <Mamarok> and I was surpised to hear it also install kdelibs debugging symbols
[15:00] <shadeslayer> lol
[15:00] <Mamarok> but fine for me, just a hard ride for people with little space and slow connections
[15:00] <Mamarok> surprised*
[15:03] <jazz> hi all
[15:03] <apachelogger> if you have limited resources a locale trace may not be the best choice anyway
[15:04] <apachelogger> unfortunately of course drkonqi has no approach to remote retracing in any capacity, so that is a bit fishy
[15:04] <apachelogger> ... IMO a kpart would not solve the problem, you may still need to have kdelibs installed in order to get a usable backtrace
[15:05] <apachelogger> in particular every amarok backtrace contains symbols from at least kdelibs and qt due to how k/qapps work
[15:06] <apachelogger> if a user were to actively deselect stuff it would in many instance lead to a bug report, and then the triager asking for a complete backtrace, and then the user being frustrated because he downloaded some 50 mib and it still was not good enough
[15:07] <apachelogger> (the entire trace experience is le crap, though that is a big and complicated issue from a KDE perspective)
[15:49] <genii-around> Kubuntu support cycle matches regular Ubuntu ?
[15:49] <yofel> genii-around: it should IIRC
[15:49] <genii-around> yofel: OK, thanks
[15:50] <yofel> genii-around: at least right now I don't think we have any differences for the LTS releases, for the normal ones we have the same support time anyway
[15:51] <genii-around> yofel: Because I think the LTS are 5 years now unified, wasn't sure if still on 3 or went to 5 now too
[15:52] <yofel> genii-around: 12.04 is 5, 10.04 is 3
[15:52] <genii-around> yofel: Cool, that's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure.
[15:53] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:03] <yofel> genii-around: wrt #kubuntu, we cannot put kde in the official backports. Too many dependencies to test
[16:05] <genii-around> yofel: Is it still installable through the ppa?
[16:08] <yofel> genii-around: the backports PPA has 4.10.2 for precise
[16:08] <shadeslayer> yep
[16:08] <apachelogger> precisely
[16:08] <apachelogger> =D
[16:09] <shadeslayer> the pun is strong in this one
[16:11] <apachelogger> quite saucy statement
[16:11]  * apachelogger emits yawning
[16:11] <genii-around> Heh.
[16:12] <yofel> now this is fun. I just tried to make an install using the mini.iso, which failed because d-i tries to run grub-install on the wrong disk o.O
[16:13] <genii-around> Tries to run it on the DVD drive or something?
[16:13] <yofel> on the flash drive (sda), the hdd is sdb
[16:14] <yofel> ah lol, if I select "don't install in MBR" then I can manually select where it should install it on
[16:17] <genii-around> Grub is very unintuitive. When I update my 10.04 on another partition in sdb it installs to sda then I have to go back, boot to my 13.04 on sda and re-run update-grub all the time
[16:17] <yofel> brrrr
[16:17] <yofel> bug 1174689
[16:33] <yofel> where is our desktop setup script again? this sounds fishy...
[16:33] <yofel> plasma-desktop(2085)/plasma DesktopCorona::printScriptError: Startup script errror: "Error: TypeError: Result of expression 'panels()[i]' [undefined] is not an object. at line 46
[16:33] <yofel> Backtrace:
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[16:34] <afiestas> Riddell: do you know if we finally have daily snapshots for kscreen?
[16:34] <afiestas> I'd like to confirm that the patch fixes the crash that is being reported, but we can't do that if we don't patch the package first :33
[16:35] <Riddell> hum, didn't shadeslayer set that up ages ago?
[16:35] <apachelogger> I don't think so
[16:35] <afiestas> at the moment I wanted them for Quantal, now I need them for rarin
[16:35] <apachelogger> neon has kscreen
[16:37] <yofel> the source import is only used by the neon recipe, so it seems like that's all we have
[16:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: kubuntu-default-settings
[16:37] <yofel> thanks
[16:37] <shadeslayer> or kubuntu-settings-desktop now :P
[16:38] <Riddell> afiestas: hum no I don't see it I'm afraid, I'm busy just now but can look at it tomorrow I think
[16:38] <afiestas> will make the release then, and use the snapshots next time
[16:38] <shadeslayer> I had to read that 3 times because I kept substituting kscreen with ksnapshot
[16:39]  * apachelogger off
[16:39] <yofel> hm...
[16:39] <yofel>     //Create more panels for other screens
[16:39] <yofel> why o.O?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> because, panels!
[16:40] <afiestas> apachelogger: so, I have a to do a release now
[16:41] <afiestas> what dafuq should I do Sr?
[16:42] <shadeslayer> releaseme?
[16:43]  * afiestas installs ruby
[16:45] <afiestas> not working
[16:45] <afiestas> ._.
[16:45] <afiestas> apachelogger: !
[16:45] <afiestas> wakeup
[16:49] <shadeslayer> it's software, did you expect it to work?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: apachelogger FYI gstreamer transition is going to be blocked till we also port qgst
[16:50] <shadeslayer> alternatively, we drop ktp and bring back kopete :P
[16:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can you even build the CM TF101 kernel?
[16:57] <Quintasan> not really
[16:57] <Quintasan> as in
[16:57] <shadeslayer> *headdesk*
[16:57] <Quintasan> Do you want me to try?
[16:57] <shadeslayer> no, I meant, have you even tried
[16:58] <Quintasan> No, but I think it won't work 
[16:58] <shadeslayer> because I get this : /tmp/ccQeqQD5.s: Error: .size expression for __tegra_cpu_reset_handler_data does not evaluate to a constant
[16:58] <shadeslayer> with CM101
[16:58] <shadeslayer> tell me about it :|
[16:58] <Quintasan> you might want to try to backport some fixes from 3.1 divemaster
[16:58] <shadeslayer> and the flipping Nexus 10 won't show anything on the screen
[16:58] <shadeslayer> WHY IS THIS SHIT SO HARD
[16:59] <Quintasan> it's not hard, it just requires special knowledge :P
[17:00] <shadeslayer> heh
[17:00] <shadeslayer> I have no idea what's going wrong with X and the Nexus 10 though
[17:00] <shadeslayer> I mean, no errors whatsoever, except some cryptic issues in lightdm
[17:12] <yofel> meh, found the issue with the plasma script
[17:13] <yofel> it's setting up panels for other desktops assuming the primary screen panel is already there - but it isn't
[17:16] <yofel> Riddell: there?
[17:16] <yofel> panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27
[17:16] <yofel> a) why set the height twice?
[17:17] <yofel> b) are all panels supposed to have the same height?
[17:22] <afiestas> Riddell: tags pushed, tarballs waiting to be moved
[17:22] <afiestas> feel free to package it whenever possible
[17:22] <afiestas> (libkscreen and kscreen 0.0.92)
[17:36] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Try adding KDE Microblog to your desktop and adding your twitter account
[17:36] <yofel> does that still not work?
[17:36] <Quintasan> if it doesn't crash the plasma-desktop then it fails to do anything because twitter asks you to input some pin number into the application
[17:37] <yofel> brrrr
[17:37] <Quintasan> I have no idea where the hell I'm supposed to input that
[17:37] <shadeslayer> hmm actually
[17:37] <shadeslayer> it grabs my gravatar
[17:37] <yofel> it tries to open some window for identi.ca when I last tried it. But that didn't work right
[17:38] <Quintasan> it also shows my avatar shadeslayer but first it crashes the desktop and even then it doesnt do anything
[17:38] <shadeslayer> didn't crash for me
[17:38] <shadeslayer> but yeah, nothing in the wiedget
[17:38] <shadeslayer> *widget
[17:39] <shadeslayer> aaaaandddd crash
[17:40] <yofel> and empty folderview widget looks somwhat sad...
[17:40] <yofel> *an
[17:43] <shadeslayer> skype being wtf now
[17:43] <yofel> skype itself or the discussion on the bug?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> trying to buy credit results in a failed transaction
[17:43] <shadeslayer> and I bought credits with the same card last time
[17:44] <yofel> lol
[17:50] <shadeslayer> and ofcourse, skype support is out
[17:51] <Quintasan> christ
[17:52] <Quintasan> I just noticed
[17:52] <Quintasan> but some plasmoids
[17:52] <Quintasan> scale reaaaaaaaaaaaaly badly if you place them on an vertical panel
[17:52] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader)
[18:17] <yofel> /tmp/buildd/rekonq-2.3.0/src/webtab/webview.cpp:77:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[18:17] <yofel>  #include <X11/Xlib.h>
[18:17] <yofel>                       ^
[18:17] <yofel> compilation terminated.
[18:17] <yofel> gcc-4.8 = usability++
[18:22] <shadeslayer> :D
[18:22] <shadeslayer> clang like error messages ftw :)
[18:22] <yofel> clang is still a tad better, but this already helps a lot
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yofel: also, you won't believe it, if I go through the "Add new card" process in skype and pay that way, it works
[18:22] <yofel> lolwhat
[18:22] <shadeslayer> yeah :/
[18:23] <shadeslayer> I suspect it's because of the 3D secure code thingum
[18:23] <yofel> kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.5.0
[18:24] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175273
[18:24] <shadeslayer> hah
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130430230347_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Microprocessors_May_Require_New_Power_Supply_Units_for_PCs.html
[18:25] <yofel> lol
[18:28] <yofel> this skype bug is becoming a total chaos
[18:28] <yofel> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/100
[18:29] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[18:30] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/93
[18:31] <yofel> shadeslayer: there's *at least* 2 issues that can make skype crash
[18:31] <shadeslayer> haha
[18:31]  * shadeslayer hasn't had skype crash till now
[18:31] <yofel> it seems like a 3rd one is using a newer glib than raring has
[18:32] <shadeslayer> *newer* glib? :S
[18:33] <yofel> shadeslayer: #97
[18:34] <shadeslayer> *facedesk*
[18:36] <shadeslayer> I need one kernel hacker pronto
[18:43] <shadeslayer> git clone at 1 KBps 
[18:43] <yofel> hopefully not the kernel
[18:43] <shadeslayer> you hoped wrong
[18:43] <yofel> my condolences
[18:44] <shadeslayer> more precisely http://git.chromium.org/chromiumos/third_party/kernel-next.git
[18:44] <shadeslayer> yeah, it's been cloning since 6 PM
[18:44] <shadeslayer> so just over 6 hours
[18:44] <shadeslayer> 74% done though
[18:55] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1175168] Typo in kde-window-manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175168 (by Pierre Slamich)
[18:59] <ahoneybun> hey shadeslayer
[18:59] <shadeslayer> hi apachelogger
[18:59] <shadeslayer> erm
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: 
[19:00] <ahoneybun> whats going on
[19:01] <shadeslayer> well, cloning a kernel, objdump'ing my coursera assignment to solve it, and looking for kernel devs :P
[19:02] <ahoneybun> oh any luck with the cloning? and kernel devs?
[19:02] <shadeslayer> cloning has been on for 6 hours :P
[19:02] <shadeslayer> almost done
[19:02] <shadeslayer> 94%
[19:03] <shadeslayer> can't find a kernel dev, no
[19:04] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: oh wish I could help but I have no exp. in dealing with the kernel, I have not even built one for source
[19:04] <shadeslayer> me neither
[19:05] <ahoneybun> if there is something I can help with just tell me
[19:12] <shadeslayer> not really
[19:16] <ahoneybun> just saying
[19:25] <yofel> ahoneybun: hey, how's the n7?
[19:27] <ahoneybun> yofel: I can't get it past initram screen
[19:27] <yofel> :/
[19:27] <ahoneybun> does not mount right
[19:28] <ahoneybun> yea I know
[19:29] <ahoneybun> I need new images
[19:32] <yofel> ahoneybun: btw. the others already asked but I can't find any answer: what would you be interested most in with helping? Or anything you have some experience in?
[19:33] <ahoneybun> yofel: yes, of course
[19:34] <ahoneybun> I have some graphic design skills, web design, and I have seen some python 
[19:34] <ahoneybun> and built some packages from source
[19:35] <ahoneybun> or so the n7 says mounting /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /root failed invalid arguement
[19:35] <ahoneybun> *argument
[19:36] <shadeslayer> uhhhh 0.o
[19:36] <shadeslayer> that's odd
[19:37]  * yofel tries to remember what could cause an invalid argument...
[19:39] <ahoneybun> I think Riddell is stuck at the same point
[19:39] <shadeslayer> hmm
[19:39] <shadeslayer> well, I'll be meeting him soon, so maybe we can debug together
[19:41] <ahoneybun> yea 
[19:41] <BluesKaj> that sounds dangerous shadeslayer :)
[19:41] <yofel> ahoneybun: thanks for the info, it's great to have someone with design skills. I work mostly on packaging, scripting or Q/A if you have questions there
[19:41] <shadeslayer> "Tonight at 11, Exploding Nexuses after hackers get together"
[19:42] <shadeslayer> He can have a look at my N10 and I'll look at his N7 :P
[19:42] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/05/01/water-cooled-raspberry-pi-computer-complete/1
[19:43] <ahoneybun> cool
[19:43] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: sudo fastboot -c "root=/dev/mmcblk0p9 ro console=tty1 rootwait rootfstype=ext4" flash:raw boot path_to_/moslo-nexus7/zImage-moslo
[19:43] <BluesKaj> running 13.10 here, or what can be called a facsimile i guess , so far so good , onlu one little segfault with FF
[19:43] <ahoneybun> is is same way this image is set up
[19:43] <ahoneybun> the same dir
[19:43] <yofel> shadeslayer: rofl :D
[19:43] <shadeslayer> pro tip 1 : don't need sudo
[19:43] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: uhhh ... I don't see a initramfs in there
[19:44] <ahoneybun> I know but its the same dir /dev/mmclk0p9
[19:44] <shadeslayer> same dir?
[19:45] <ahoneybun> /dev/mmclk0p9 is the same directory that I am having issues mounting
[19:46] <shadeslayer> oh
[19:46] <shadeslayer> well, /dev/mmclk0p9 is the userdata partition
[19:46] <shadeslayer> you want to mount that as the root partition
[19:46] <shadeslayer> except init is failing
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: are you sure you're using an ubuntu initrd
[19:47] <ahoneybun> um, I'm using the images from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I always pack my initrd and kernel together
[19:47] <shadeslayer> uhh yeah
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I don't know if that bootimg has a ubuntu initrd
[19:48] <ahoneybun> oh well I just followed the wiki
[19:51] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: I should have something for you on Monday
[19:52] <ahoneybun> ok thats fine
[19:56] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo)
[20:06] <ahoneybun> what happens if you install Ubuntu on the n7 and try to install KDE active afterwords
[20:06] <ahoneybun> ?
[20:07] <shadeslayer> won't work
[20:07] <yofel> I tried that with quantal, it was a mess
[20:07] <shadeslayer> Ubuntu uses the Android bits like SurfaceFlinger
[20:07] <shadeslayer> and AudioFlinger
[20:07] <shadeslayer> or well
[20:07] <yofel> ah
[20:07] <shadeslayer> it uses some sort of PA plugin to interact with AF
[20:08] <shadeslayer> but yeah, it uses AF
[20:08] <shadeslayer> so when you try to run X11 that interferes with SF
[20:08] <shadeslayer> and for reasons I don't know, you can't kill SF
[20:08] <shadeslayer> I tried that
[20:08] <ahoneybun> oh ok
[20:09] <ahoneybun> what about Ubuntu Touch?
[20:09] <ahoneybun> nvm
[20:09] <ahoneybun> same thing
[20:09] <shadeslayer> yep
[20:10] <ahoneybun> have you heard of unixstickers?
[20:10] <shadeslayer> never
[20:10] <ahoneybun> oh cool site with FOSS stuck 
[20:10] <ahoneybun> http://www.unixstickers.com
[20:11] <ahoneybun> they give some money to Linux Mint for the sell of their stickers
[20:13] <ahoneybun> I'm trying to get the new Kubuntu 13.04 docs and read though those for errors
[20:13] <shadeslayer> not sure why I'd pay for stickers you usually get for free at confs :P
[20:13] <shadeslayer> I have like a whole bunch of them
[20:14] <shadeslayer> I even have duckduckgo stickers somewhere
[20:14] <ahoneybun> well I don't have any fests to go to
[20:14] <ahoneybun> any that I can reach anyway
[20:21] <shadeslayer> are you in the EU>
[20:21] <shadeslayer> ?
[20:22] <ahoneybun> USA, Florida
[20:22] <shadeslayer> ah
[20:22] <shadeslayer> still more meetups than in Delhi/Gurgaon, India :P
[20:22] <shadeslayer> UDS was once held in Florida, it was fun
[20:23] <ahoneybun> I know I was in Plant City but I could not go as I could not drive at that time anyway, and never been on the highway
[20:24] <shadeslayer> oh drat
[20:25] <shadeslayer> I'll have to put my mouse in a separate bag and check it in :/
[20:25] <shadeslayer> because they won't allow batteries on the flight -.-
[20:25] <shadeslayer> I get to make presentations using my trackpad, hurray
[20:25] <Quintasan> sahfdsahfsakhfiqhjoifwhaoiuf
[20:25] <ahoneybun> oh
[20:25] <Quintasan> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/01/plasma-desktopvm1560.png
[20:25] <yofel> what kind of policy is that o.O
[20:25] <Quintasan> THAT'S INTERESTING
[20:25] <shadeslayer> yofel: that's a policy on all the flights afaik
[20:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: QML will fix all of that
[20:26] <yofel> Quintasan: hm? (I like the background ^^)
[20:26] <shadeslayer> QML is going to become the magic sauce of KDE
[20:26] <yofel> shadeslayer: I obviously haven't been flying lately... july will be the first time in quite a while
[20:26] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: look at the background of the calendar when I click on the binary clock
[20:26] <Quintasan> can any of you reproduce that?
[20:26] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:26] <shadeslayer> haha
[20:26] <yofel> ah that
[20:26] <shadeslayer> plasma theme cache broken
[20:27] <Quintasan> It's damn clean raring install
[20:27] <Quintasan> wat
[20:27] <shadeslayer> can't reproduce
[20:27] <Quintasan> ehhh
[20:27] <yofel> me neither
[20:27] <shadeslayer> though font colors are all wrong
[20:27] <yofel> but the theme is known to have rendering issues under some circumstances
[20:28] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also, opera? really?
[20:28] <Quintasan> maybe rekonq?
[20:28] <Quintasan> lol
[20:28] <Quintasan> or bloatfox?
[20:29] <Quintasan> readding the widget fixed that
[20:29] <yofel> I use opera sometimes, it's not that bad
[20:29] <yofel> not being able to open an accidentally closed tab is what annoys me, but that's all
[20:29] <ahoneybun> weird
[20:29] <shadeslayer> opera doesn't have ctrl-shift-t in 2013
[20:29] <shadeslayer> doesn't classify as a browser then :P
[20:30] <shadeslayer> When I discovered Ctrl+shift+t It was a whole new world ^)^
[20:30] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[20:30] <yofel> heh
[20:35] <ahoneybun> maybe we should update the kubuntu-desktop image in the kubuntu-docs?
[20:35] <yofel> wait, didn't we remove the docs?
[20:35] <yofel> or which ones do you mean?
[20:36] <ahoneybun> I just bzr from launchpad
[20:36] <ahoneybun> the ones from lp
[20:36] <yofel> ask Riddell what plans he had for the docs, I believe they're currently unmaintained
[20:37] <Quintasan> it does lol
[20:38] <ahoneybun> the xml in hardware is messed up
[20:38] <Quintasan> ctrl+shift+t was in Opera since 9.81 I think
[20:38] <yofel> ah ok, nvm then
[20:38] <ahoneybun> a lot of them are
[20:39] <yofel> I never knew the keyboard shortcut for that
[20:39] <yofel> and in the UI I can't find that
[20:40] <ahoneybun> yofel: can't I make the changes and then push it, then he can review them?
[20:40] <yofel> ahoneybun: sure
[20:48] <ahoneybun> maybe I'll wait on him before I put too much work into it
[20:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you never say hi to me :(
[20:52] <apachelogger> afiestas: gimme a log maybe?
[20:52] <apachelogger> also I fail to understand why people never get their tools lined up before they need them
[20:54] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: he did I believe
[20:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kopete was here to stay anyway
[20:55] <apachelogger> yofel: regarding more panels: more = better
[20:56] <apachelogger> bug 1174330
[20:56] <apachelogger> finally a feature that just happened
[20:56] <apachelogger> I like
[20:57] <yofel> apachelogger: well, that I can somehow understand, still needs fixing. And Riddell need to tell me what that code is supposed to do, right now it feels just wrong
[20:58] <yofel> *needs
[20:59] <apachelogger> it's so you get more panels
[20:59] <yofel> I'm talking about
[20:59] <yofel> panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27
[20:59] <yofel> "panels()[i]" is totally unpredictable at that poing
[20:59] <yofel> *point
[20:59] <apachelogger> I dunno
[20:59] <apachelogger> you only pasted one line :P
[21:00] <apachelogger> and that is predictable :P
[21:00] <yofel> grrrrr
[21:00] <yofel> apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/735926/ line 46
[21:01] <yofel> IMO that's supposed to be
[21:01] <yofel> -        panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27
[21:01] <yofel> +        panel.height = screenGeometry(i).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27
[21:01] <apachelogger> that line is so shitty it makes me cry
[21:01] <apachelogger> did I write that or Riddell?
[21:01] <yofel> him
[21:02] <apachelogger> well
[21:02] <apachelogger> annotate says that was pulled in from upstream
[21:02] <yofel> annotate says something about more panels as well
[21:03] <yofel> + neon doesn't crash
[21:03] <apachelogger> what's the sync then ^^
[21:03] <yofel> dunno ^^
[21:04] <yofel> uhm........
[21:04] <yofel> apachelogger: that is upstream code actually
[21:04] <yofel> /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js
[21:04] <apachelogger> I really do not think Riddell would write a chain assignment with ternary if
[21:04] <yofel> but the panel is loaded *before* the code there
[21:04] <yofel> so it works
[21:04] <apachelogger> he's already not amused when I do pointer simulation in bash :P
[21:04] <yofel> hehe
[21:05] <apachelogger> yofel: what do you think by panel is loaded?
[21:05] <yofel> loadTemplate("org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel")
[21:05] <apachelogger> AH
[21:05] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:05] <apachelogger> that kinda sorta is missng entirely
[21:05] <yofel> upstream first loads the panel, then the code
[21:06] <yofel> we do that the other way around
[21:06] <yofel> which crashes, obviously
[21:06] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:06] <yofel> leeme try just reordering the code
[21:06] <apachelogger> hm
[21:06] <apachelogger> wait
[21:07] <apachelogger> so
[21:07] <apachelogger> what we need to do is override org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel
[21:07] <apachelogger> not 00-default
[21:07] <yofel> good point
[21:07] <apachelogger> we appear to only fiddle with the panel
[21:08] <apachelogger> so loading the template rather than having to manually sync up 00-default seems the way to go
[21:08] <yofel> how does one override the template?
[21:08]  * yofel only started with plasma scripting today
[21:09] <apachelogger> that I do not know
[21:09] <apachelogger> assuming that was implemented corretly upstream you should just need to replicate the thing in kubuntu-settings
[21:10] <apachelogger> i.e. there's probably a desktop file in services that defines where to find the scripty
[21:10] <apachelogger> so you'll need two files in kubuntu-settings
[21:10] <apachelogger> or perhaps
[21:10] <apachelogger> only replicating the code file may be sufficient
[21:10] <apachelogger> in theory anyway
[21:11] <yofel> well, just reordering the code fixes the crash
[21:11] <yofel> that'll be ok as an SRU
[21:11] <Riddell> yofel: you pinged?
[21:11] <Riddell> been out doing business all day, still on the road
[21:12] <yofel> Riddell: we're talking about our broken plasma init script
[21:12] <Riddell> these support people seem like just our sort
[21:12] <yofel> now that's good to hear at least :)
[21:12] <Riddell> yofel: what's up with it?
[21:12] <yofel> Riddell: crashes when you have more than 1 screen attached at login (bug 1174689)
[21:13] <yofel> *at first login
[21:13] <Riddell> ug
[21:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: like our sort? confused and overworked? :P
[21:15] <yofel> lol
[21:16] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what are you going to do with kubuntu-docs?
[21:16] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah well SRU just move the crap to the top
[21:16] <apachelogger> though the upstream code seems really fishy too
[21:17] <apachelogger> no clue what panels() does
[21:17] <Riddell> ahoneybun: hope some nice person comes along to maintain it?
[21:17] <yofel> panels() gives you an array of all panels
[21:17] <apachelogger> but to me that assignment reads like it is accessing the same panelInstance.height
[21:17] <yofel> yeah, hence my confusion
[21:17] <Riddell> ahoneybun: if you're a nice person and want to maintain it,awesomeness!
[21:17] <ahoneybun> I was looking into it and the xmls do not seem to work, they give a few error messages
[21:18] <apachelogger> also binding the panel height to screen0's geometry rather than its respective screen's geometry seems wrong
[21:18] <Riddell> ahoneybun: right, first thing would be to decide if docbook is actually what it need or if something like a wiki would be better, I don't really know
[21:18] <ahoneybun> docbook is the program and wiki is internet based?
[21:19] <Riddell> docbook is the xml it is currently in which through fiddly means gets turned into html
[21:19] <Riddell> wiki is like wiki.kubuntu.org, a website that can be easily edited
[21:20] <ahoneybun> wiki would much better but needs some form of offline viewing as well
[21:20] <yofel> apachelogger: I'm adding a trello todo to look at that more closer
[21:20] <apachelogger> so panel[i] == newlyCreatedPanel as i is always > 1
[21:20] <apachelogger> albeit it fails because we have no intial panel for the intial screen
[21:20] <ahoneybun> heck some of this is saying to use konqueror 
[21:21] <apachelogger> iff the if >1 was not there or the panel creation was moved before the loop it would work
[21:21] <apachelogger> (although without the if you basically get one panel you don't need and that panel will have the appropriate content ^^)
[21:22] <Riddell> yofel: I synced 00-defaultLayout.js with upstream's default as much as possible
[21:22] <apachelogger> ahoneybun, Riddell: there's an upstream tendency to eventually do away with docbook and use wikis so in due time that will probably solve itself
[21:22] <yofel> apachelogger: just for reference, the bug I mentioned is an access on panels()[1] with only one panel present
[21:22] <apachelogger> i.e. for offline viewing you could simply make a static html snapshot of the wiki at release day
[21:23] <apachelogger> which ought to be simple enough at least with mediawiki
[21:23] <Riddell> yofel: it creates a broken activity by default
[21:23] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, that's what I said
[21:23] <yofel> apachelogger: right, too tried to read -.-
[21:23] <apachelogger> it looks 0 to n
[21:23] <apachelogger> 0 => nothing happens
[21:23] <apachelogger> 1 => code happens, i =1 but panels().length ==1, i.e. there is no panels()[i=1]
[21:23] <ahoneybun> apachelogger: thanks for the info
[21:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: what do you want to do?
[21:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I /think/ a wiki would be better but really don't know, needs experi
[21:25]  * Riddell runs out of battery
[21:25] <yofel> apachelogger: ROFL
[21:25] <yofel> upstraeam...
[21:26] <yofel> a65d05f7 (Aaron Seigo    2011-04-30 13:01:38 +0200 15)         panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27
[21:26] <yofel> Author: Aaron Seigo <aseigo@kde.org>
[21:26] <yofel> Date:   Sat Apr 30 13:01:38 2011 +0200
[21:26] <yofel>     give me back my small panel!
[21:26] <ahoneybun> Riddell: how would I go about getting into the wiki to do this?
[21:28] <yofel> well ok, it's Davide Bettio that's responsible for the original WTF-ness of that line
[21:28] <apachelogger> yofel: forget about that and tell aseigo that he writes ugly wrong code :P
[21:28] <apachelogger> that should get things moving :P
[21:28] <yofel> apachelogger: to save him, he only did s/768/1024/ there
[21:29] <yofel> though he didn't fix it either
[21:29] <apachelogger> the blame blames aseigo :P
[21:29] <yofel> 9747b2e6 (Davide Bettio  2011-04-27 16:52:59 +0200 15)         panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 768 ? 35 : 27
[21:29] <yofel> before that it was just
[21:29] <yofel> db68adfd (Davide Bettio  2011-04-27 12:51:36 +0200 15)         panel.height = 27
[21:30] <apachelogger> I like the current one better
[21:30] <apachelogger> keeps people from tinkering with it :P
[21:35] <sreich> yofel: what is that, a default?
[21:35] <sreich> layout default, rather
[21:35] <yofel> sreich: plasma default layout init script
[21:49] <ahoneybun> does muon use kpackagekit?
[21:49] <yofel> muon doesn't use packagekit
[21:49] <yofel> and kpackagekit was what's now called apper
[21:54] <ahoneybun> ok I'm updating the images for the docs
[22:03] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo)
[23:04] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174605] No unlock dialogue after locking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174605 (by naught101)
[23:29] <Quintasan> Plasma Workspaces 2, huh?
[23:41] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: not sure either
[23:41] <Quintasan> what you are not sure about ahoneybun?
[23:42] <ahoneybun> Plasma Workspaces 2
[23:42] <Quintasan> Well, there is nothing to be unsure about, they will release them in Q2 2014
[23:42] <Quintasan> and at least for 2 years we get bugfixes for 4.11
[23:43] <Quintasan> and then we'll probably switch to Qt 5 for good
[23:43] <Quintasan> Can't be sure about that but I guess that would be the best course of action for us imo
[23:43] <ahoneybun> 4.11
[23:44] <ahoneybun> in 2 years?
[23:44] <Quintasan> no
[23:44] <Quintasan> ahoneybun: 4.11 will be the last feature release
[23:44] <Quintasan> then we get only bugfixes for 4.11
[23:45] <ahoneybun> no new features?
[23:45] <Quintasan> Yes, no new features
[23:45] <ahoneybun> cool I would love just bugfixes
[23:45] <Quintasan> Whole feature development will move to Plasma Workspaces 2
[23:46] <Quintasan> That said I'm going to bed
[23:46] <Quintasan> 2 in the morning here
[23:46] <Quintasan> Good night.
[23:46] <ahoneybun> good night Quintasan its 7 pm here