=== smartboyhw__ is now known as smartboyhw [07:03] apachelogger: dunno, I tried installing kubuntu-desktop in a armhf chroot [07:03] and it was pulling zenity [10:14] Hey all [10:39] shadeslayer: that's because zenity is still first choice [10:39] oh [10:39] okay [10:40] apachelogger: do you think you can have a look at framebuffer stuff on the nexus 10 when we meet? [10:41] shadeslayer: sure, shall I also write you a display manager? [10:41] yus plz [10:42] ;) [10:44] shadeslayer: talk to the sddm folks whether they can do that? [10:44] huh? [10:44] nvm [10:44] didn't have enough coffee today yet [10:44] heh [11:05] hi folks [11:05] just updated 12.10 to 13.04 64 bit [11:06] notices that a wrong qdbus package is installed [11:06] its the i386 one instead of amd64 [11:06] :) [11:06] o.O [11:06] after installing qdbus:amd64 desktop works again [11:06] only for info [11:07] ghostcube: mind sharing your /var/log/apt/history.log? [11:07] no problem pls wait a moment [11:18] yofel: history doesnt show do-release-upgrade from yesterday [11:19] hm... [11:19] is there anything in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ ? [11:20] yep history log [11:20] i will post it [11:23] yofel: http://nopaste.info/4f9ca10823.html [11:24] weird, that only shows qdbus:i386 for upgrade. Can you check in the old history logs whether qdbus:amd64 was removed at some point please? [11:27] ok [11:28] but desktop worked fine tilll update [11:28] after the update dekstop freezes with dbus error at kdm login [11:28] is there any call changed inside maybe? so it needs amd64 [11:50] yofel: this here issue may be related to the poweroff button always shutsdown issue which is also apparently due to qdbus transitional weirdness [11:50] hum [11:52] i searched some logs ut i cant find any removal of qdbus [11:52] *but [12:12] I'm crossposting this , because I think it needs it. I wonder what happened to the 64 bit builds for the hdmi/intel audio patch that was published earlier this week , it. seems to have disappeared ..this is the 32 bit url : https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/alsa-daily/+packages [12:18] hmm, ignore that post above , guess the 32 bit works on 64bit arch [12:51] apachelogger: ping pong [12:51] yes? [12:52] apachelogger: what was that package i had to install to run the ldm theme we were working on? [12:52] it doesn't seem to work without it [12:53] kubuntu-qtquick-components or some such [12:53] might it be, that without this, the theme doesn't even display on the list in kcm? [12:54] nah [12:54] well [12:54] the theme rc file format and such schanged [12:54] *changed [12:54] so I guess that's why it is not showing up [12:55] well, do i still need those qtqucik components to make it work? [12:55] yes [12:56] are they still somewhere in launchpad? [13:48] \o [14:05] yofel: http://bd.summit.net/blog/2013/04/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/ [14:31] why is kdelibs-dbg a hard dependency for amarok-dbg? [14:31] it makes sense maybe, but some people have no broadband and not much sapce [14:47] Mamarok: it recommends it, that's not a hard dependency [14:48] lol [14:48] Recommends: kdelibs5-dbg [14:48] ^^ [14:49] apachelogger: I heard about that, but that doesn't tell how people got the 32bit version installed in the first place [14:49] as qdbus:i386 being used on a 64bit system sounds kinda wrong [14:54] yofel: ah, OK [14:54] then that guy told it wrong :) [14:57] Mamarok: what might have happened is that kubuntu-debug-installer just installs it as it's recommended [14:57] you can't de-select packages there I believe [14:58] yeah [14:58] it's not a package manager ^^ [14:59] would be cool if muon had a kpart it could just embed for that ^^ [14:59] right, that's why people are complaing that they have to install 280 Mb for "just Amarok" [15:00] and I was surpised to hear it also install kdelibs debugging symbols [15:00] lol [15:00] but fine for me, just a hard ride for people with little space and slow connections [15:00] surprised* [15:03] hi all [15:03] if you have limited resources a locale trace may not be the best choice anyway [15:04] unfortunately of course drkonqi has no approach to remote retracing in any capacity, so that is a bit fishy [15:04] ... IMO a kpart would not solve the problem, you may still need to have kdelibs installed in order to get a usable backtrace [15:05] in particular every amarok backtrace contains symbols from at least kdelibs and qt due to how k/qapps work [15:06] if a user were to actively deselect stuff it would in many instance lead to a bug report, and then the triager asking for a complete backtrace, and then the user being frustrated because he downloaded some 50 mib and it still was not good enough [15:07] (the entire trace experience is le crap, though that is a big and complicated issue from a KDE perspective) [15:49] Kubuntu support cycle matches regular Ubuntu ? [15:49] genii-around: it should IIRC [15:49] yofel: OK, thanks [15:50] genii-around: at least right now I don't think we have any differences for the LTS releases, for the normal ones we have the same support time anyway [15:51] yofel: Because I think the LTS are 5 years now unified, wasn't sure if still on 3 or went to 5 now too [15:52] genii-around: 12.04 is 5, 10.04 is 3 [15:52] yofel: Cool, that's what I thought but wasn't 100% sure. [15:53] Good afternoon. [16:03] genii-around: wrt #kubuntu, we cannot put kde in the official backports. Too many dependencies to test [16:05] yofel: Is it still installable through the ppa? [16:08] genii-around: the backports PPA has 4.10.2 for precise [16:08] yep [16:08] precisely [16:08] =D [16:09] the pun is strong in this one [16:11] quite saucy statement [16:11] * apachelogger emits yawning [16:11] Heh. [16:12] now this is fun. I just tried to make an install using the mini.iso, which failed because d-i tries to run grub-install on the wrong disk o.O [16:13] Tries to run it on the DVD drive or something? [16:13] on the flash drive (sda), the hdd is sdb [16:14] ah lol, if I select "don't install in MBR" then I can manually select where it should install it on [16:17] Grub is very unintuitive. When I update my 10.04 on another partition in sdb it installs to sda then I have to go back, boot to my 13.04 on sda and re-run update-grub all the time [16:17] brrrr [16:17] bug 1174689 [16:17] bug 1174689 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 [16:33] where is our desktop setup script again? this sounds fishy... [16:33] plasma-desktop(2085)/plasma DesktopCorona::printScriptError: Startup script errror: "Error: TypeError: Result of expression 'panels()[i]' [undefined] is not an object. at line 46 [16:33] Backtrace: [16:33] ()@:46" [16:34] Riddell: do you know if we finally have daily snapshots for kscreen? [16:34] I'd like to confirm that the patch fixes the crash that is being reported, but we can't do that if we don't patch the package first :33 [16:35] hum, didn't shadeslayer set that up ages ago? [16:35] I don't think so [16:35] at the moment I wanted them for Quantal, now I need them for rarin [16:35] neon has kscreen [16:37] the source import is only used by the neon recipe, so it seems like that's all we have [16:37] yofel: kubuntu-default-settings [16:37] thanks [16:37] or kubuntu-settings-desktop now :P [16:38] afiestas: hum no I don't see it I'm afraid, I'm busy just now but can look at it tomorrow I think [16:38] will make the release then, and use the snapshots next time [16:38] I had to read that 3 times because I kept substituting kscreen with ksnapshot [16:39] * apachelogger off [16:39] hm... [16:39] //Create more panels for other screens [16:39] why o.O? [16:39] because, panels! [16:40] apachelogger: so, I have a to do a release now [16:41] what dafuq should I do Sr? [16:42] releaseme? [16:43] * afiestas installs ruby [16:45] not working [16:45] ._. [16:45] apachelogger: ! [16:45] wakeup [16:49] it's software, did you expect it to work? [16:50] ScottK: apachelogger FYI gstreamer transition is going to be blocked till we also port qgst [16:50] alternatively, we drop ktp and bring back kopete :P [16:57] Quintasan: can you even build the CM TF101 kernel? [16:57] not really [16:57] as in [16:57] *headdesk* [16:57] Do you want me to try? [16:57] no, I meant, have you even tried [16:58] No, but I think it won't work [16:58] because I get this : /tmp/ccQeqQD5.s: Error: .size expression for __tegra_cpu_reset_handler_data does not evaluate to a constant [16:58] with CM101 [16:58] tell me about it :| [16:58] you might want to try to backport some fixes from 3.1 divemaster [16:58] and the flipping Nexus 10 won't show anything on the screen [16:58] WHY IS THIS SHIT SO HARD [16:59] it's not hard, it just requires special knowledge :P [17:00] heh [17:00] I have no idea what's going wrong with X and the Nexus 10 though [17:00] I mean, no errors whatsoever, except some cryptic issues in lightdm === superfly_ is now known as superfly [17:12] meh, found the issue with the plasma script [17:13] it's setting up panels for other desktops assuming the primary screen panel is already there - but it isn't [17:16] Riddell: there? [17:16] panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 [17:16] a) why set the height twice? [17:17] b) are all panels supposed to have the same height? [17:22] Riddell: tags pushed, tarballs waiting to be moved [17:22] feel free to package it whenever possible [17:22] (libkscreen and kscreen 0.0.92) [17:36] shadeslayer: Try adding KDE Microblog to your desktop and adding your twitter account [17:36] does that still not work? [17:36] if it doesn't crash the plasma-desktop then it fails to do anything because twitter asks you to input some pin number into the application [17:37] brrrr [17:37] I have no idea where the hell I'm supposed to input that [17:37] hmm actually [17:37] it grabs my gravatar [17:37] it tries to open some window for identi.ca when I last tried it. But that didn't work right [17:38] it also shows my avatar shadeslayer but first it crashes the desktop and even then it doesnt do anything [17:38] didn't crash for me [17:38] but yeah, nothing in the wiedget [17:38] *widget [17:39] aaaaandddd crash [17:40] and empty folderview widget looks somwhat sad... [17:40] *an [17:43] skype being wtf now [17:43] skype itself or the discussion on the bug? [17:43] trying to buy credit results in a failed transaction [17:43] and I bought credits with the same card last time [17:44] lol [17:50] and ofcourse, skype support is out [17:51] christ [17:52] I just noticed [17:52] but some plasmoids [17:52] scale reaaaaaaaaaaaaly badly if you place them on an vertical panel [17:52] ::workspace-bugs:: [1123126] 12.04 plasma init script order wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1123126 (by lordievader) [17:52] Launchpad bug 1123126 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Precise) "12.04 plasma init script order wrong" [Critical,Fix released] [18:17] /tmp/buildd/rekonq-2.3.0/src/webtab/webview.cpp:77:22: fatal error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory [18:17] #include [18:17] ^ [18:17] compilation terminated. [18:17] gcc-4.8 = usability++ [18:22] :D [18:22] clang like error messages ftw :) [18:22] clang is still a tad better, but this already helps a lot [18:22] yofel: also, you won't believe it, if I go through the "Add new card" process in skype and pay that way, it works [18:22] lolwhat [18:22] yeah :/ [18:23] I suspect it's because of the 3D secure code thingum [18:23] kubotu: newversion kdevelop 4.5.0 [18:24] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175273 [18:24] Launchpad bug 1175273 in kdevelop (Ubuntu) "Please update kdevelop to 4.5.0" [Undecided,New] [18:24] hah [18:24] yofel: http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20130430230347_Intel_Core_i_Haswell_Microprocessors_May_Require_New_Power_Supply_Units_for_PCs.html [18:25] lol [18:28] this skype bug is becoming a total chaos [18:28] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/100 [18:28] Launchpad bug 1155327 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,Confirmed] [18:29] ahaha [18:30] yofel: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/skype/+bug/1155327/comments/93 [18:30] Launchpad bug 1155327 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-304 (Ubuntu Raring) "skype crashed with SIGSEGV in malloc@plt()" [High,Confirmed] [18:31] shadeslayer: there's *at least* 2 issues that can make skype crash [18:31] haha [18:31] * shadeslayer hasn't had skype crash till now [18:31] it seems like a 3rd one is using a newer glib than raring has [18:32] *newer* glib? :S [18:33] shadeslayer: #97 [18:34] *facedesk* [18:36] I need one kernel hacker pronto [18:43] git clone at 1 KBps [18:43] hopefully not the kernel [18:43] you hoped wrong [18:43] my condolences [18:44] more precisely http://git.chromium.org/chromiumos/third_party/kernel-next.git [18:44] yeah, it's been cloning since 6 PM [18:44] so just over 6 hours [18:44] 74% done though [18:55] ::workspace-bugs:: [1175168] Typo in kde-window-manager @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175168 (by Pierre Slamich) [18:55] Launchpad bug 1175168 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Typo in kde-window-manager" [Low,Triaged] [18:59] hey shadeslayer [18:59] hi apachelogger [18:59] erm [18:59] ahoneybun: [19:00] whats going on [19:01] well, cloning a kernel, objdump'ing my coursera assignment to solve it, and looking for kernel devs :P [19:02] oh any luck with the cloning? and kernel devs? [19:02] cloning has been on for 6 hours :P [19:02] almost done [19:02] 94% [19:03] can't find a kernel dev, no [19:04] shadeslayer: oh wish I could help but I have no exp. in dealing with the kernel, I have not even built one for source [19:04] me neither [19:05] if there is something I can help with just tell me [19:12] not really [19:16] just saying [19:25] ahoneybun: hey, how's the n7? [19:27] yofel: I can't get it past initram screen [19:27] :/ [19:27] does not mount right [19:28] yea I know [19:29] I need new images [19:32] ahoneybun: btw. the others already asked but I can't find any answer: what would you be interested most in with helping? Or anything you have some experience in? [19:33] yofel: yes, of course [19:34] I have some graphic design skills, web design, and I have seen some python [19:34] and built some packages from source [19:35] or so the n7 says mounting /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /root failed invalid arguement [19:35] *argument [19:36] uhhhh 0.o [19:36] that's odd [19:37] * yofel tries to remember what could cause an invalid argument... [19:39] I think Riddell is stuck at the same point [19:39] hmm [19:39] well, I'll be meeting him soon, so maybe we can debug together [19:41] yea [19:41] that sounds dangerous shadeslayer :) [19:41] ahoneybun: thanks for the info, it's great to have someone with design skills. I work mostly on packaging, scripting or Q/A if you have questions there [19:41] "Tonight at 11, Exploding Nexuses after hackers get together" [19:42] He can have a look at my N10 and I'll look at his N7 :P [19:42] yofel: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/hardware/2013/05/01/water-cooled-raspberry-pi-computer-complete/1 [19:43] cool [19:43] shadeslayer: sudo fastboot -c "root=/dev/mmcblk0p9 ro console=tty1 rootwait rootfstype=ext4" flash:raw boot path_to_/moslo-nexus7/zImage-moslo [19:43] running 13.10 here, or what can be called a facsimile i guess , so far so good , onlu one little segfault with FF [19:43] is is same way this image is set up [19:43] the same dir [19:43] shadeslayer: rofl :D [19:43] pro tip 1 : don't need sudo [19:43] ahoneybun: uhhh ... I don't see a initramfs in there [19:44] I know but its the same dir /dev/mmclk0p9 [19:44] same dir? [19:45] /dev/mmclk0p9 is the same directory that I am having issues mounting [19:46] oh [19:46] well, /dev/mmclk0p9 is the userdata partition [19:46] you want to mount that as the root partition [19:46] except init is failing [19:46] ahoneybun: are you sure you're using an ubuntu initrd [19:47] um, I'm using the images from here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/daily-preinstalled/current/ [19:47] I always pack my initrd and kernel together [19:47] uhh yeah [19:47] I don't know if that bootimg has a ubuntu initrd [19:48] oh well I just followed the wiki [19:51] ahoneybun: I should have something for you on Monday [19:52] ok thats fine [19:56] ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo) [19:56] Launchpad bug 1175299 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong" [Undecided,New] [20:06] what happens if you install Ubuntu on the n7 and try to install KDE active afterwords [20:06] ? [20:07] won't work [20:07] I tried that with quantal, it was a mess [20:07] Ubuntu uses the Android bits like SurfaceFlinger [20:07] and AudioFlinger [20:07] or well [20:07] ah [20:07] it uses some sort of PA plugin to interact with AF [20:08] but yeah, it uses AF [20:08] so when you try to run X11 that interferes with SF [20:08] and for reasons I don't know, you can't kill SF [20:08] I tried that [20:08] oh ok [20:09] what about Ubuntu Touch? [20:09] nvm [20:09] same thing [20:09] yep [20:10] have you heard of unixstickers? [20:10] never [20:10] oh cool site with FOSS stuck [20:10] http://www.unixstickers.com === popey_ is now known as popey [20:11] they give some money to Linux Mint for the sell of their stickers [20:13] I'm trying to get the new Kubuntu 13.04 docs and read though those for errors [20:13] not sure why I'd pay for stickers you usually get for free at confs :P [20:13] I have like a whole bunch of them [20:14] I even have duckduckgo stickers somewhere [20:14] well I don't have any fests to go to [20:14] any that I can reach anyway [20:21] are you in the EU> [20:21] ? [20:22] USA, Florida [20:22] ah [20:22] still more meetups than in Delhi/Gurgaon, India :P [20:22] UDS was once held in Florida, it was fun [20:23] I know I was in Plant City but I could not go as I could not drive at that time anyway, and never been on the highway [20:24] oh drat [20:25] I'll have to put my mouse in a separate bag and check it in :/ [20:25] because they won't allow batteries on the flight -.- [20:25] I get to make presentations using my trackpad, hurray [20:25] sahfdsahfsakhfiqhjoifwhaoiuf [20:25] oh [20:25] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/01/plasma-desktopvm1560.png [20:25] what kind of policy is that o.O [20:25] THAT'S INTERESTING [20:25] yofel: that's a policy on all the flights afaik [20:26] Quintasan: QML will fix all of that [20:26] Quintasan: hm? (I like the background ^^) [20:26] QML is going to become the magic sauce of KDE [20:26] shadeslayer: I obviously haven't been flying lately... july will be the first time in quite a while [20:26] shadeslayer, yofel: look at the background of the calendar when I click on the binary clock [20:26] can any of you reproduce that? [20:26] oh [20:26] haha [20:26] ah that [20:26] plasma theme cache broken [20:27] It's damn clean raring install [20:27] wat [20:27] can't reproduce [20:27] ehhh [20:27] me neither [20:27] though font colors are all wrong [20:27] but the theme is known to have rendering issues under some circumstances [20:28] Quintasan: also, opera? really? [20:28] maybe rekonq? [20:28] lol [20:28] or bloatfox? [20:29] readding the widget fixed that [20:29] I use opera sometimes, it's not that bad [20:29] not being able to open an accidentally closed tab is what annoys me, but that's all [20:29] weird [20:29] opera doesn't have ctrl-shift-t in 2013 [20:29] doesn't classify as a browser then :P [20:30] When I discovered Ctrl+shift+t It was a whole new world ^)^ [20:30] ^_^ [20:30] heh [20:35] maybe we should update the kubuntu-desktop image in the kubuntu-docs? [20:35] wait, didn't we remove the docs? [20:35] or which ones do you mean? [20:36] I just bzr from launchpad [20:36] the ones from lp [20:36] ask Riddell what plans he had for the docs, I believe they're currently unmaintained [20:37] it does lol [20:38] the xml in hardware is messed up [20:38] ctrl+shift+t was in Opera since 9.81 I think [20:38] ah ok, nvm then [20:38] a lot of them are [20:39] I never knew the keyboard shortcut for that [20:39] and in the UI I can't find that [20:40] yofel: can't I make the changes and then push it, then he can review them? [20:40] ahoneybun: sure [20:48] maybe I'll wait on him before I put too much work into it [20:52] shadeslayer: you never say hi to me :( [20:52] afiestas: gimme a log maybe? [20:52] also I fail to understand why people never get their tools lined up before they need them [20:54] apachelogger: he did I believe [20:55] shadeslayer: kopete was here to stay anyway [20:55] yofel: regarding more panels: more = better [20:56] bug 1174330 [20:56] bug 1142213 in oxygen-gtk3 (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1174330 emacs23/24 GUI does not start when run in Kubuntu 13.04 with oxygen-gtk theme enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1142213 [20:56] finally a feature that just happened [20:56] I like [20:57] apachelogger: well, that I can somehow understand, still needs fixing. And Riddell need to tell me what that code is supposed to do, right now it feels just wrong [20:58] *needs [20:59] it's so you get more panels [20:59] I'm talking about [20:59] panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 [20:59] "panels()[i]" is totally unpredictable at that poing [20:59] *point [20:59] I dunno [20:59] you only pasted one line :P [21:00] and that is predictable :P [21:00] grrrrr [21:00] apachelogger: http://paste.kde.org/735926/ line 46 [21:01] IMO that's supposed to be [21:01] - panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 [21:01] + panel.height = screenGeometry(i).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 [21:01] that line is so shitty it makes me cry [21:01] did I write that or Riddell? [21:01] him [21:02] well [21:02] annotate says that was pulled in from upstream [21:02] annotate says something about more panels as well [21:03] + neon doesn't crash [21:03] what's the sync then ^^ [21:03] dunno ^^ [21:04] uhm........ [21:04] apachelogger: that is upstream code actually [21:04] /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma-desktop/init/00-defaultLayout.js [21:04] I really do not think Riddell would write a chain assignment with ternary if [21:04] but the panel is loaded *before* the code there [21:04] so it works [21:04] he's already not amused when I do pointer simulation in bash :P [21:04] hehe [21:05] yofel: what do you think by panel is loaded? [21:05] loadTemplate("org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel") [21:05] AH [21:05] yeah [21:05] that kinda sorta is missng entirely [21:05] upstream first loads the panel, then the code [21:06] we do that the other way around [21:06] which crashes, obviously [21:06] yeah [21:06] leeme try just reordering the code [21:06] hm [21:06] wait [21:07] so [21:07] what we need to do is override org.kde.plasma-desktop.defaultPanel [21:07] not 00-default [21:07] good point [21:07] we appear to only fiddle with the panel [21:08] so loading the template rather than having to manually sync up 00-default seems the way to go [21:08] how does one override the template? [21:08] * yofel only started with plasma scripting today [21:09] that I do not know [21:09] assuming that was implemented corretly upstream you should just need to replicate the thing in kubuntu-settings [21:10] i.e. there's probably a desktop file in services that defines where to find the scripty [21:10] so you'll need two files in kubuntu-settings [21:10] or perhaps [21:10] only replicating the code file may be sufficient [21:10] in theory anyway [21:11] well, just reordering the code fixes the crash [21:11] that'll be ok as an SRU [21:11] yofel: you pinged? [21:11] been out doing business all day, still on the road [21:12] Riddell: we're talking about our broken plasma init script [21:12] these support people seem like just our sort [21:12] now that's good to hear at least :) [21:12] yofel: what's up with it? [21:12] Riddell: crashes when you have more than 1 screen attached at login (bug 1174689) [21:12] bug 1174689 in kubuntu-settings (Ubuntu) "Nvidia/Dual screen - No Taskbar/Kdemenu on default install Kubuntu 13.04" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174689 [21:13] *at first login [21:13] ug [21:15] Riddell: like our sort? confused and overworked? :P [21:15] lol [21:16] Riddell: what are you going to do with kubuntu-docs? [21:16] yofel: yeah well SRU just move the crap to the top [21:16] though the upstream code seems really fishy too [21:17] no clue what panels() does [21:17] ahoneybun: hope some nice person comes along to maintain it? [21:17] panels() gives you an array of all panels [21:17] but to me that assignment reads like it is accessing the same panelInstance.height [21:17] yeah, hence my confusion [21:17] ahoneybun: if you're a nice person and want to maintain it,awesomeness! [21:17] I was looking into it and the xmls do not seem to work, they give a few error messages [21:18] also binding the panel height to screen0's geometry rather than its respective screen's geometry seems wrong [21:18] ahoneybun: right, first thing would be to decide if docbook is actually what it need or if something like a wiki would be better, I don't really know [21:18] docbook is the program and wiki is internet based? [21:19] docbook is the xml it is currently in which through fiddly means gets turned into html [21:19] wiki is like wiki.kubuntu.org, a website that can be easily edited [21:20] wiki would much better but needs some form of offline viewing as well [21:20] apachelogger: I'm adding a trello todo to look at that more closer [21:20] so panel[i] == newlyCreatedPanel as i is always > 1 [21:20] albeit it fails because we have no intial panel for the intial screen [21:20] heck some of this is saying to use konqueror [21:21] iff the if >1 was not there or the panel creation was moved before the loop it would work [21:21] (although without the if you basically get one panel you don't need and that panel will have the appropriate content ^^) [21:22] yofel: I synced 00-defaultLayout.js with upstream's default as much as possible [21:22] ahoneybun, Riddell: there's an upstream tendency to eventually do away with docbook and use wikis so in due time that will probably solve itself [21:22] apachelogger: just for reference, the bug I mentioned is an access on panels()[1] with only one panel present [21:22] i.e. for offline viewing you could simply make a static html snapshot of the wiki at release day [21:23] which ought to be simple enough at least with mediawiki [21:23] yofel: it creates a broken activity by default [21:23] yofel: yeah, that's what I said [21:23] apachelogger: right, too tried to read -.- [21:23] it looks 0 to n [21:23] 0 => nothing happens [21:23] 1 => code happens, i =1 but panels().length ==1, i.e. there is no panels()[i=1] [21:23] apachelogger: thanks for the info [21:24] Riddell: what do you want to do? [21:25] ahoneybun: I /think/ a wiki would be better but really don't know, needs experi [21:25] * Riddell runs out of battery [21:25] apachelogger: ROFL [21:25] upstraeam... [21:26] a65d05f7 (Aaron Seigo 2011-04-30 13:01:38 +0200 15) panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 1024 ? 35 : 27 [21:26] Author: Aaron Seigo [21:26] Date: Sat Apr 30 13:01:38 2011 +0200 [21:26] give me back my small panel! [21:26] Riddell: how would I go about getting into the wiki to do this? [21:28] well ok, it's Davide Bettio that's responsible for the original WTF-ness of that line [21:28] yofel: forget about that and tell aseigo that he writes ugly wrong code :P [21:28] that should get things moving :P [21:28] apachelogger: to save him, he only did s/768/1024/ there [21:29] though he didn't fix it either [21:29] the blame blames aseigo :P [21:29] 9747b2e6 (Davide Bettio 2011-04-27 16:52:59 +0200 15) panel.height = panels()[i].height = screenGeometry(0).height > 768 ? 35 : 27 [21:29] before that it was just [21:29] db68adfd (Davide Bettio 2011-04-27 12:51:36 +0200 15) panel.height = 27 [21:30] I like the current one better [21:30] keeps people from tinkering with it :P [21:35] yofel: what is that, a default? [21:35] layout default, rather [21:35] sreich: plasma default layout init script [21:49] does muon use kpackagekit? [21:49] muon doesn't use packagekit [21:49] and kpackagekit was what's now called apper [21:54] ok I'm updating the images for the docs [22:03] ::workspace-bugs:: [1175299] kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1175299 (by Allo) [22:03] Launchpad bug 1175299 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "kwin Plastik decoration displays the help-button wrong" [Undecided,Invalid] [23:04] ::workspace-bugs:: [1174605] No unlock dialogue after locking @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174605 (by naught101) [23:04] Launchpad bug 1174605 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "No unlock dialogue after locking" [Undecided,Confirmed] [23:29] Plasma Workspaces 2, huh? [23:41] Quintasan: not sure either [23:41] what you are not sure about ahoneybun? [23:42] Plasma Workspaces 2 [23:42] Well, there is nothing to be unsure about, they will release them in Q2 2014 [23:42] and at least for 2 years we get bugfixes for 4.11 [23:43] and then we'll probably switch to Qt 5 for good [23:43] Can't be sure about that but I guess that would be the best course of action for us imo [23:43] 4.11 [23:44] in 2 years? [23:44] no [23:44] ahoneybun: 4.11 will be the last feature release [23:44] then we get only bugfixes for 4.11 [23:45] no new features? [23:45] Yes, no new features [23:45] cool I would love just bugfixes [23:45] Whole feature development will move to Plasma Workspaces 2 [23:46] That said I'm going to bed [23:46] 2 in the morning here [23:46] Good night. [23:46] good night Quintasan its 7 pm here