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SuperMattmorning all07:38
MooDoomorning07:55
AlanBellmorning08:08
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Sunflower Guerrilla Gardening Day! :-D08:17
BigRedSJamesTait: you made that up.08:18
MooDoolol08:18
MooDoohttp://guerrillagardening.org/community/index.php?board=306.0 er nope :)08:18
BigRedSthis is all an elaborate ploy08:20
JamesTaitMooDoo, it is a real thing: http://goo.gl/aQALS08:20
MooDooJamesTait: I know I just pasted the link into the forums explaining it :D08:20
BigRedSOoh. Very elaborate, JamesTait has even registered that domain under someone else's name08:20
BigRedS:)08:20
JamesTaitBigRedS, my aliases are many and varied. ;)08:21
BigRedShaha08:23
redtapeThe Lemote has arrived off ebay ! Yay !!  \o/08:32
mungbeanwow , sen this nook for £30? http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5011276.htm08:37
* BigRedS is skeptical08:46
BigRedSMy brother had the full-blown nook and that was irritatingly laggy08:46
DJonesmungbean: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120744-nook-simple-touch-plummets-in-price-to-29-glowlight-69 <--- Saw that yesterday08:46
mungbeanBigRedS: laggy for turning pages?08:47
mungbeanslower than a real book?08:47
* DJones huggles his kobo touch08:48
BigRedSmungbean: just the UI; it wasn't clear whether you'd interacted with what you thought you had08:49
BigRedSreally irritating to use, always waiting on the device to confirm whether it was about to do what you thought you'd told it08:49
mungbeangood for skinflint though?08:50
BigRedSperhaps. Personally I'd rather save and get something less annoying08:55
BigRedSI do get unduly annoyed at poor software, though08:55
mungbeananyone used the google chart js tools?08:56
mungbeani have a funky idea i don't know if its possible08:56
mungbeanwant to use a slider that shows a different set of data e.g. show feb results, show march results - using a slider control08:57
mungbeanlike this thing allows you to change view dependent on donuts http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization#programmatic_control_changes08:58
mungbeani think i have to make a whole chart for all results and then filter feb/mar like paris/USA http://code.google.com/apis/ajax/playground/?type=visualization#dependent_controls09:01
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selinuxiumMorning all   o/09:29
selinuxiumBigRedS, mungbean you could look to root it and stick another operating system on for that prince... http://www.rootmynooktablet.com/09:32
DJonesselinuxium: They're only ebook readers though rather than tablets09:35
selinuxiumDJones, http://lifehacker.com/5926798/turn-your-rooted-nook-into-the-ultimate-ereader-with-these-10-apps   there are many different sites for rooting the nooks...09:36
DJonesIt surprises me you can do that09:37
BigRedSselinuxium: yeah, the one thing I really liked about the nook was that you could git clone it off github :)09:39
BigRedSBut, aside from a slightly less clunky browser, I'm not sure what more I'd want from my kindle09:40
BigRedSEmails are possible, but hard enough that I'd really rather not, which is perfect :)09:40
DJonesIt would make an even better ereader in that you could have the kindle app/kobo app/fb reader all on one device which would sync with the account09:43
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andylockranhey guys10:02
andylockranI've smashed my phone :( with no insurance :(10:03
andylockranwhat's the deal on getting an ubuntu /android phone - any recommendations?10:03
davmor2andylockran: the best target is a nexus 4 if you are buying a new one if that is what you mean10:05
BigRedSThe Sony Desire Z is waterproof. If I get a new phone, it'll be that one I think10:06
BigRedSer, it's not a desire. It's an Xperia10:06
MooDooI'm going to see if I can re-align the dilithium crystal which will hopefully reset the space time continuum.10:07
MooDoothe best response to a support ticket i've ever seen :D10:08
SuperMattsounds like the kind of thing I need to do to get this bloomin centos box working10:08
MooDoolol10:08
DJonesMooDoo: Hope they didn't do it with wet fingers, too much risk of a shock10:08
SuperMattwhy oh why is rpm the *official* package management system?10:09
BigRedSfor centos?10:09
BigRedS'cause it's rhel without the cool bits10:09
BigRedSthough rpm's actually pretty sane these days10:09
SuperMattI believe it's the official one for free desktop10:09
BigRedSis that still a thing?10:09
MooDooI like centos, use it myself10:09
BigRedSit used to be that all software was distributed in rpm and you had to alien it for debian, but now it's largely the other way round, which is nice10:10
* SuperMatt nods10:11
SuperMattit's not *terrible*, I just... I can't ever figure out how to use it properly10:13
BigRedShaha10:13
SuperMattwhich is insane, because I'm a linux systems administrator10:13
SuperMattcentos, redhat and fedora always seem to be fighting me10:14
BigRedSyeah, just need to get used to it. I got a bit fluent in it for a while when I was interfering with Centos frequently, and we've now replaced ubuntu with it at work so I'll be getting more familiar....10:14
MooDoooh it's easy :) lol10:14
MooDooman rpm ;)10:14
SuperMattyeah yeah, but it's defaults like having selinux set to enabled and iptables populated with some gumph10:15
SuperMattaint nobody got time for that10:15
MooDooSELINUX = DISABLED, there that's that one sorted and as for iptables, pah you don't need the firewall enableing ;)10:16
SuperMattI know! but those are defaults!10:16
BigRedSeverything has some daft defaults that need fixing10:17
MooDooyeah i know, i turned them off last night lol10:17
davmor2MooDoo: yeah but your somewhat of a sadist I mean you pick on czajkowski so there is something not right with your head10:18
davmor2MooDoo: morning by the way10:18
czajkowskidavmor2: you do it daily to torment me10:19
MooDoodavmor2: morning, I don't pick on czajkowski I like her unlike you :p10:20
MooDoodavmor2: ok that was uncalled for..../poke czajkowski10:20
Myrttihappy May day everyone10:20
davmor2czajkowski: I didn't say I was sane I was merely pointing out that MooDoo wasn't either10:20
davmor2Myrtti: Yay it's May, and happy may day to you too10:21
MooDooI'm perfectly sane thanks very much, now where that copy of dos 3.1 i want to hack into a webserver ;)10:21
davmor2MooDoo: you fool you need OS warp for that10:23
MooDoodavmor2: damn forgot about OS/2 Warp.....10:23
davmor2MooDoo: I knew there was a number in there I just couldn't remember what it was, it's been an odd couple of weeks10:24
MooDoodavmor2: any one would think you've been busy with distro releases or something!10:25
andylockranjust bought a nexus 411:06
andylockrannow, where to sell a samsung s2 with a smashed scren?11:07
davmor2andylockran: ebay11:07
MooDoowhat about - http://www.mazumamobile.com/ or a site like that?11:08
shrikthe "fix" to window-switching within the same app alone is the best reason to upgrade to Raring12:21
mgdmoh, nice12:21
mgdmwhat does that do?12:21
BigRedSI don't think I noticed that change... what should I be making use of now?12:22
davmor2mgdm: I'm assuming he means that you can you the scroll wheel on the mouse to flip between windows on  the launcher app.  ie 3 terminals open, hover over the terminal icon on the launcher and scroll will switch between them12:26
BigRedSoh12:27
mgdmah12:39
shrikoh, also that you can right-click on the app icon in the launcher to get a list of open windows12:49
shrikand a chap on reddit just told me that you can use Alt+` to do the same12:50
shrik(that's a backtick)12:50
mgdmYeah, that worked before, it's the same as Mac OS X12:51
AlanBellthat nearly works quite well now13:24
BigRedShaha, yeah, I've just remembered how much more insane it used to be13:27
Myrttibacktick as in ` or '13:40
AlanBellkey above tab13:40
TheOpenSourcererOn a UK kbd that is.13:40
AlanBellnope13:41
AlanBellkey above tab, whatever13:41
Myrtti§½ that's what I get from key above tab ;-)13:41
Seeker`key above tab is a backtick13:41
Seeker``13:41
Myrttiright, so that advice is useless for most Finnish and Swedish users then13:42
Myrttioh well.13:42
TheOpenSourcererNo - What AlanBell said.13:42
TheOpenSourcererIt's whatever is above the tab.13:42
TheOpenSourcererOn a Swedish kbd its that squiglly s thing.13:43
directhexthe simoleans sign. the currency used in The Sims!13:43
Myrttisection sign13:43
Myrttiused in law text in Finland13:44
TheOpenSourcererOn  french layouts it's a ^ or little circle.13:44
Seeker`weeeeeeeeeeird keyboards13:44
Myrttioy, I love mine13:45
Myrttiit makes perfect sense for me.13:45
mgdmbackticks and hence the key to switch app windows are above left alt on Mac keyoards13:46
MyrttiI thought the idea of key above the tab was difficult to understand because it took me three tries to understand that13:50
Myrttibut that sentence.13:50
MyrttiI think I need more tea13:52
Seeker`tea sounds good13:52
MooDooenglish breakfast13:52
Seeker`that or vanilla. Or chocolate chip.13:53
Myrttiyorkshire with whole milk13:53
Seeker`from teabags?13:53
Myrttiyup13:53
MooDooyeah yorshire tea is my wifes fave tea13:54
Seeker`:( @ teabags13:54
Seeker`loose leaf tea++13:54
MooDoo:)13:54
MyrttiSeeker`: finding Yorkshire for Hard Water as loose leaf has never been successful when we've run out.13:54
Myrttieven if it is teabags, it's still better than many others I've tried13:55
Seeker`Myrtti: use a water filter?13:55
MyrttiSeeker`: I do. That doesn't stop the kettle going furry altogether13:55
MyrttiI've never had to descale my water kettle in Finland, here I do it atleast twice a year13:56
Seeker`:/13:57
mgdmI've never ever had to do that ever13:57
mgdmThen I've never lived for any time otuside of Scotland13:57
Seeker`Myrtti: tbh, I think that loose leaf tea in hard water areas still tastes better than stuff in teabags13:58
Myrttibut yeah, Yorkshire ♥ After I tried Yorkshire it was like an epiphany. Good tea (in comparison to the muck sold in Finland) doesn't taste absolutely horrid after letting it steep four minutes too long.13:58
Seeker`how long do you leave your teabags in the tea?13:59
TheOpenSourcererTea is duisgusting.13:59
Myrtti"too long"13:59
MyrttiI'm sorry but I'm not a connoisseur by any stretch. I like tea, but not enough to stand by the teapot to time how many minutes I let it steep14:00
MooDooSeeker`: i prefer it weak so I let the tea bag wave hello then remove it lol14:01
BigRedSTheOpenSourcerer: says he who drinks warm beer?14:14
TheOpenSourcererAnd what is wrong with proper beer?14:15
MooDoohmmmm beer, i prefer it to lager i'm not afraid of a little flavour14:15
TheOpenSourcererLahga is for northerners and kids14:15
MooDoolahga, is that shoft for wife beater ;)14:16
BigRedSdo they drink lager in the north? I always assumed it was more southern14:16
TheOpenSourcererThe only people I know who drink Lahga are from 'tup North but now live down here.14:16
TheOpenSourcererSo that must be a fact14:17
BigRedSAhh14:17
BigRedSthey've come south and gone soft14:17
MooDooI'm from midlands and I use lagha to clean my loos as that's all it's good for ;)14:18
TheOpenSourcererI saw one at the Beer festival last last weekend and he actually said to me, he'd found some beer that tasted like Lahga.14:18
TheOpenSourcererGo figure.14:18
BigRedShaha14:18
MooDoodisgusting14:18
TheOpenSourcererhttps://twitter.com/peteDL1/status/32810998183875379214:19
MooDooI hope you unfriendd them14:20
brobostigonlahga, i will make a note of that,14:20
TheOpenSourcererWell, no; he's quite funny really.14:20
TheOpenSourcererhe's a proper northerner and that's how he pronounces it.14:20
MooDoois it lahga or laaaaaaaaaahga! ;)14:22
brobostigonlol14:22
TheOpenSourcererhttp://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/40970.wss14:22
MooDoocould of made it cooler and said it was tron and cursor ;)14:23
MooDoobut very cool14:24
davmor2beer around the world seems to be called Larger in some fashion, apart from america there they call beer cors  they are the real criminals ;)14:26
brobostigonor in certain parts of europe, it is a pilsner, or a hefe-weizen.14:28
MooDoohttp://www.beer-pages.com/images/lager-boy.jpg14:29
BigRedSso what's the background made of?14:29
saraoff to italy.14:32
redtapesara, that's interesting | I've been invited to Southern Italy this summer  .. what is the cheapest flight for you ?14:40
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shrikI've been to Italy a couple of times. Ryanair is almost always the cheapest, but you get what you pay for..14:49
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christleho ho ho15:04
MooDoogreen giant?15:04
directhexnow there's a blast from the past15:05
Myrtti*WWWHHHOOOPPP*15:05
* Myrtti jumpglomps christle 15:05
MyrttiAlanBell: http://www.buzzfeed.com/babymantis/20-pictures-of-chickens-wearing-sweaters-1opu15:06
christlehey myrtti! ;315:07
christleare you in the uk atm? :)15:08
MyrttiI am, stranded in the Fens while the D goes to the office to build meerkat burrows15:08
christlei say!15:10
christleyou should bring D into london and come to my movie premiere on friday!15:10
MyrttiI would but his working hours are silly15:11
Myrttiwell, rather, strict office hours15:11
christleah boo!15:12
diploAfternoon all15:12
AlanBellMyrtti: that is quite cool, but my chickens have feathers :)15:12
AlanBello/ christle15:13
christlehullu diplo :)15:13
christleAlanis!15:13
* Seeker` wonders if christle forgot how to spell her name15:13
christleSeeker`: yup! ;)15:13
diploBlimey, christle long time no see. Been hiding ?15:13
Seeker`Ah, It is 'el' at the end, in case you were wondering :P15:13
christleyes! you all scare me!15:13
diploheh15:14
MyrttiI think she's hiding15:15
MyrttiAlanBell: I just thought they looked cute :-P15:18
AlanBelloh, did you see my egg skelter Myrtti?15:19
AlanBellhttp://www.omlet.co.uk/shop/kitchen/egg_skelters/8531/egg_skelter_red_for_medium_to_large_eggs/15:20
Myrttithat's nice!15:20
Pendulumchristle: hiya!15:26
christleheey pretty15:26
Pendulumchristle: you keep abandoning us, it's not nice :(15:29
christleaww i will stop at some point! :P15:30
christleabandoning you that is15:32
bigcalmGood afternoon peeps :)15:36
SuperMatt'noon15:38
popeymorning15:40
DJonesczajkowski: Are you ok for a pm?15:41
dauberswth happened to nautilus in 13.04??15:44
daubersIt looks like something I made! (That is _NOT_ a good thing!)15:45
* popey points daubers at upstream GNOME15:46
dauberssigh15:46
* daubers gets the blowtorch15:46
czajkowskiDJones: sure15:54
SuperMattwoo, skype is now fixed for raring6416:02
bigcalmOh? I can undo the fix I jimmied in?16:02
bigcalmpopey: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/8698327851/in/photostream16:03
mgdm:D16:04
mgdmI have space invader ones16:04
bigcalmI wanted decent space invader ones in silver. But the only ones I liked are sold out16:04
SuperMattbigcalm: I guess16:06
SuperMattit's working for me now16:06
SuperMattooh, and they've fixed the thing where when it's pinned, if you click the button again it loads a new instance16:06
bigcalmI didn't have that trouble in 12.1016:07
bigcalmWish I could remember what it was I did to make skype work on 13.0416:07
SuperMattdid you follow a think on webupd8?16:07
SuperMattor did you downgrade a package?16:07
bigcalmI followed a thing16:07
SuperMattwell done16:08
bigcalmI should google16:08
SuperMattI tend not to follow things unless I make sure I know how to undo the thing16:08
sararedtape, i got invited  today and they paid the ticket today so about 1000 for a return from glasgow16:09
SuperMattbigcalm: can you look through your history16:10
SuperMatthistory | grep skype16:10
bigcalmSuperMatt: it was by adding a 2 line export and run bash script in /usr/local/bin. Just removed it, updated, upgraded and happy skype once more16:17
bigcalmSuperMatt: thanks for the notification16:17
bigcalm40 mins to quittin' time. 130 mins to beerin' time (LUG)16:20
SuperMattyou're welcome16:20
SuperMattquittin time is in 10 minutes, then I'm going on a run16:21
SuperMattround regents park16:21
popeyquitting time here is in ~5.5 hours16:21
bigcalmI know it was only out on Thursday, but I'm surprised that there haven't been more updates for 13.0416:21
SuperMattI'm waiting for the go-ahead to switch to 13.10 :D16:21
bigcalmpopey: you can never quit the thinking machine.16:21
bigcalmSuperMatt: I'm guessing that you're in favour of the rolling release then :)16:22
SuperMattof course16:22
popeymost of the company are on a sprint16:22
popeyI'd expect more updates next week16:22
popeyalso, on thursdays ☻16:22
bigcalmpopey: that is a very good point16:22
MartijnVdSwhich is tomorrow16:22
SuperMattI can't wait until the cutting edge gets upgraded automatically16:23
bigcalmpopey: why Thursday in particular?16:23
SuperMatt(if that's happening)16:23
bigcalmSuperMatt: not a fan of stability?16:23
SuperMattI am16:23
SuperMattI just don't have many machines that I'd call "production"16:23
bigcalmDaviey: this you? https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/943487_655051764524280_436371696_n.jpg16:24
MartijnVdSdoesn't look like him?16:24
SuperMattmy laptop normally goes first, then my work desktop, then my home desktop, followed by my servers16:24
bigcalmMartijnVdS: the middle one, not the dog :P16:24
MartijnVdSbigcalm: oh!16:25
bigcalmI have to have my work station always working. My laptop gets the latest and greatest. Which has been my down fall on occasion when I've needed a unbroken laptop16:25
SuperMattthe rate at which I convert is quite sporadic16:26
SuperMattbasically, I'll convert everything else once I've found there's something on my laptop that I like soooo much16:26
popeybigcalm: thursday is not friday16:26
popeybest not to release stuf on friday16:27
popey16:27
SuperMattindeed16:27
MartijnVdSpopey: also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY016:27
popeyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/raring-changes/2013-April/thread.html16:27
popeyquite a few updates16:27
bigcalmpopey: I quite agree, the kernel team needs to agree as well some day16:27
SuperMattour rules for go-live here are "never after 3.30, and never on a friday"16:27
Davieybigcalm: not me!16:29
bigcalmMartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI16:29
MartijnVdSbigcalm: omg16:30
MartijnVdSbigcalm: why are my ears bleeding?16:32
bigcalm:)16:32
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mungbean!ping21:54
lubotu3pong!21:54
Laneypang21:55
mungbean5 hrs no talky must er a record21:55
popeyshhh22:11
daftykins\o/22:12
daftykinshey all o/22:12
* mgdm listens to the Wurzels doing Common People22:12
daftykins:o22:12
popeyhi daftykins22:13
daftykinsthat sir, sounds like genius22:13
daftykinspopey: i ordered myself a Nexus 4 via the ship2me.co.uk couriers that bring things over from Southampton, in the end :)22:13
popeyheh22:13
daftykins£12.50 for the service22:13
popeyi have another one on order, should arrive today22:13
mgdmdaftykins: it most certainly is22:13
popey(I still hate them)22:13
mgdmdaftykins: on Spotify, if you have that22:13
daftykinshowever, a friendly chap at the HMRC informed me that i can actually demand under UK law that they refund me the tax, as my order counted as an 'indirect export' outside of the EC \o/22:14
daftykinsso i've told my latest Google Support pal 'Brianna' to pass this information on to the UK tax wing at Google, as one as lowly as a customer is not permitted to converse with them direct22:14
daftykinsand i expect my fob-off soon22:14
daftykins^_^22:14
daftykinspopey: what're you doing with them then? :D22:15
popeyinstalling ubuntu on it22:15
Laneydropping it22:16
daftykinsi'm quite liking mine, super fast :)22:16
daftykinsi got one of these Ringke Fusion cases for it22:16
popeywakka wakka22:16
daftykinsnice plastic around the side with a clear back so you can still see the pretty pattern on the rear :>22:16
popeyreminds me, wlil need to buy a cover for it22:16
popeydifferent colour one so I can tell the difference between them22:17
Laneyorange?22:17
popeywise!22:17
Laney#DD481422:17
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/SAMRICK-Nexus-Google-Protective-Purple/dp/B00AF7JBKS/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1367446668&sr=8-4&keywords=nexus+4+cover22:17
popeyaubergine!22:18
LaneyCOMMUNITY22:18
popeyhehe http://www.amazon.co.uk/iGloo-Silicone-Cover-Nexus-Mobile/dp/B00AZZN97Q/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367446705&sr=1-5&keywords=nexus+4+cover+orange22:18
popey10 of them!22:19
daftykinshow the hell did i not see this the other day 0o22:19
daftykinsheh :D22:19
daftykinsyou know what always makes me laugh?22:20
daftykinspeeps selling screen protectors for products with gorilla glass22:20
popeyhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/iTALKonline-ORANGE-Bumper-Protective-Armour/dp/B00BSGNLLA/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1367446808&sr=1-10&keywords=nexus+4+cover+orange22:20
popeywhy is that odd?22:20
popeygorilla glass still scratches badly22:21
popeyhttp://phandroid.com/2013/04/11/nexus-4-rant/  haha22:21
daftykinsi've taken keys to my HP Touchpad22:22
daftykins'twas fine22:22
daftykinsbut then i think i just care for my gear better than most :D22:23
daftykinsmines got those new feet ^22:23
mungbeanmy tp got smashed22:25
daftykinsaww :(22:25
mungbeanby a falling bowl22:25
mungbeanbut i replaced thew screen \p/22:26
daftykins:D22:26
mungbeanthen it died from overdrawn battery22:26
mungbeanbut i replaced the battery \p/ (harder than screen)22:27
mungbeanheh my nephew puts hour long minecraft vids hes made on youtube. i dont have clue wats happning22:28
daftykins:)22:29
daftykinsi don't understand how anyone has the patience for minecraft22:29
daftykinsthough, i'm not a creative person22:29
daftykinsplus i've lost interest with gaming entirely :D22:29
mungbeanif i was15 i would22:29
daftykins=]22:29
daftykinstrue22:30
mungbeanno time to be intrested now22:30
daftykinsit's funny when you see what the youngsters of today misspend their youth with22:30
mungbeanfeeding babies and sleeping is all i do now#22:30
mungbeankeeps them off street corners22:31
daftykinsadoption?22:31
mungbeanif i had time id make more airfix models22:32
mungbeanirl is better22:32
daftykins=]22:33
mungbeanbought new airbrush 6 weeks ago, haven't had spare second to try it yet22:35
daftykinsnice :)22:45

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