[03:25]  * smartboyhw likes holidays like today 
[05:24] <ReikiDan> hi
[05:25] <ReikiDan> @chanserv volunteer
[05:28] <smartboyhw> What?
[05:30] <ReikiDan> how do I register to login?
[05:32] <smartboyhw> ReikiDan: Login what?
[08:06] <smartboyhw> Whoa that's abrupt, Fuduntu decided to close down INMEDIATELY starting from two days earlier
[08:06] <smartboyhw> R.I.P GNOME 2
[08:42] <DarkEra> morning
[08:43] <smartboyhw> Hello DarkEra
[08:43] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: So Fuduntu Project completely ended two days ago:O
[08:43] <DarkEra> i know
[08:43] <DarkEra> :)
[08:43] <smartboyhw> R.I.P. GNOME 2 and Fuduntu
[08:44] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: That's quite abrupt
[08:44] <DarkEra> yep, because the majority of the users went on to other distro's
[08:46] <DarkEra> fewt retired so he isn't in charge anymore from now on
[08:47] <DarkEra> FuSe will mostlikely use Consort DE from SolusOS, which isn't even out yet and under heavy development. Plus the fact it's just another Gnome 3 fork.... like Cinnamon
[08:48] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Yeah
[08:48] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, but hey, i have found my way back home and i'm happy here ;)
[08:48] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: I don't understand why so many people liked GNOME 2 though
[08:49] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: \o/
[08:51] <DarkEra> Well, Gnome 2 has been one of the major DE's for many years, so people got used to it. When Gnome 3 and Unity came out some of the 'old guys' refused to work with that because they don't like the whole concept of Gnome 3 and Unity.
[08:52] <DarkEra> to them these DE's are just touch/tablet interfaces
[08:54] <DarkEra> they want to use the mouse to point and click, not willing to learn to work with keyboard shortcuts etc
[08:55] <DarkEra> don't tell me i've been 'talking' for nothing now and you missed all of it smartboyhw_  lol
[08:56] <DarkEra> doh
[08:56] <DarkEra> :D
[08:56] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: doh what?
 don't tell me i've been 'talking' for nothing now and you missed all of it smartboyhw_  lol
[08:57] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: If people don't like Xfce or KDE or GNOME 3 or Cinnamon or MATE or Unity they should really change their art perspective
[08:58] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: I'm sorry, but GNOME 2 is simply Windows XP…
[08:59] <falktx> smartboyhw_: I think the issue is that, compared to gnome2, gnome3 kinda sucks
[09:00] <falktx> maybe things are a bit better now, but older versions were not good...
[09:00] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, i agree. What i don't understand is that Xfce almost looks and acts like Gnome 2, still the nay sayers refuse to use it. Even the Fuduntu team when i proposed it. If they had switched over to Xfce they could have used GTK3 and continue with the project
[09:01] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Yep
[09:01] <smartboyhw_> I mean, at least the others are more moderb
[09:01] <smartboyhw_> *modern
[09:01] <smartboyhw_> GNOME 2 is crap since it is too traditional
[09:01] <smartboyhw_> Tech evolves
[09:02] <DarkEra> falktx, just like with KDE 4 when it first came out Gnome 3 also has to evolve to a mature level
[09:02] <smartboyhw_> And people just can't accept new things
[09:02] <DarkEra> true
[09:03] <falktx> it's hard to accept things when they are forced upon you
[09:03] <falktx> when you don't have a choice
[09:03] <smartboyhw_> falktx: One has the choice not to use GNOME
[09:03] <falktx> they wanted gnome2, but it wasn't there anymore
[09:03] <smartboyhw_> So many GNOME 3 forks out there are good enough
[09:04] <smartboyhw_> KDE LXDE Xfce
[09:04] <smartboyhw_> Cinnamon MATE Unity
[09:05] <DarkEra> there seems to be a distro that ditches Gnome 3 and goes back to Gnome 2, i forgot which one it was
[09:05] <DarkEra> ah, Calculate Linux
[09:06] <DarkEra> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Calculate-Linux-13-4-Ditches-GNOME-3-in-favor-of-GNOME-2-347230.shtml
[09:07] <DarkEra> MATE is a Gnome 2 fork but they will get into trouble soon i guess
[09:08] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: agreed
[09:10] <DarkEra> brb ----> kids
[09:17] <DarkEra> also Cinnamon is running into trouble because they can't or couldn't keep it up making it compatible with gnome 3.6 and 3.8. Cinnarch switched to Gnome 3 because of that
[09:17] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Yep
[09:17] <smartboyhw_> GNOME is a complete mess
[09:18] <DarkEra> Gnome just needs time
[09:19] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Fortunately when GNOME 2 died we switched to Xfce (thanks ScottL)
[09:19] <DarkEra> i like it so far, especially the 3.8 release
[09:19] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: :)
[09:19] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, yep i know :)
[09:19] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Or rather: GNOME forks are a mess:P
[09:20] <DarkEra> it's the best thing that he could have done. Xfce fits in well
[09:20] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, yeah
[09:21] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: heh there is some strange thing that some people didn't use Ubuntu Studio cause there is NO Unity
[09:21] <DarkEra> Cinnamon is great for LMDE and the ubuntu based mint, but for a more true rolling release distro it's not
[09:21] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, wah?
[09:22] <DarkEra> really?
[09:23] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: https://plus.google.com/110039687189146809887/posts/AwHmECdkRsk (you left a comment also)
[09:23] <DarkEra> let me guess, that why Dream Studio has been created and is based on Ubuntu with the Unity desktop :)
[09:23] <smartboyhw_> That was the longest G+ comment I ever made
[09:24] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: probably
[09:24] <DarkEra> ah yes, that one
[09:24] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: You know Dick Macinnis was once our Artwork Lead?
[09:25] <DarkEra> i thought he only made one wallpaper, the one that is used on 12.04 and 12.10
[09:26] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: dunno
[09:26]  * smartboyhw_ doesn't know much before 12.08
[09:26] <smartboyhw_> lol
[09:27] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: ttoine knows much more (he's the co-founder of Ubuntu Studio:P)
[09:27] <DarkEra> well, the wallpaper that is used in both versions is his work. For the rest i don't know what Dick did. :)
[09:28] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, co-founder? So we have a ancient ubu stu guru around here :D
[09:28] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Damn it I got too used to zequence's wallpaper I completely forgotten the old one…
[09:28] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Yep
[09:28] <DarkEra> lol
[09:29] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: There is a channel log of here one early April (or late March) where I and zequence had a "Ubuntu Studio history" lesson from ttoine
[09:31] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_,  http://goo.gl/FjRNt
[09:31] <smartboyhw_> Probably earlier, I am sure madeinkobaia haven't joined that time
[09:31] <DarkEra> ah ok, i'll look into that soon then, should be fun
[09:32] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Oh that one:P
[09:33] <DarkEra> we all together should rent a office and get together while working on things :P
[09:35] <DarkEra> that's on "together" too much
[09:35] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: LOL:)
[09:49] <smartboyhw_> zequence: When I was trying to find ttoine's log I found http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/20/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html and seriously I'm not the youngest member. benonsoftware here applied when he was 12:P
[09:51] <smartboyhw_> And got it
[10:01] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Damn the history lesson was after madeinkobaia joined http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/04/03/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[10:02] <DarkEra> lol... i went on a search myself. :D
[10:02] <DarkEra> thanks for the link smartboyhw :)
[10:02] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :) the middle part
[10:04] <DarkEra> ok, thanks
[10:05] <smartboyhw> Ah good, let me add into our blueprints: Add a wiki page to talk about Ubuntu Studio's history:P
[10:19] <zequence> Just had a quick go using Lightworks
[10:19] <zequence> audio was choppy
[10:20] <zequence> sure there are lots of other bugs
[10:20] <zequence> I'm sure video editors will appreciate it
[10:21] <DarkEra> heya zequence 
[10:21] <DarkEra> smartboyhw, that was a nice read :)
[10:22] <smartboyhw> zequence: DarkEra: :)
[10:23] <smartboyhw> zequence: Did you receive my message yesterday about supporting knome for XPL election?
[10:29] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, I did. I also had a talk with knome in person
[10:29] <smartboyhw> zequence: Oh
[10:30] <zequence> Are the elections today?
[10:30] <zequence> smartboyhw: Do you have a link to the election page?
[10:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users/+poll/xubuntu-xpl-2013 today 15:00 UTC till tmr 15:00 UTC
[10:32] <smartboyhw> You DID join the team right?
[10:33] <zequence> smartboyhw: I didn't. Since I'm not involved in Xubuntu development, I'm not going to take part in voting either
[10:33] <zequence> going outdoors for a while
[10:34] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK. I am taking dinner soon also
[12:21] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Did I miss anything after I said I am going for dinner? I'm back from it
[12:23] <DarkEra> wb smartboyhw 
[12:24] <DarkEra> no you didn't miss anything, it's been quiet
[12:24] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :)
[13:40] <smartboyhw> Hello madeinkobaia
[13:41] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw :)
[13:42] <DarkEra> heya madeinkobaia 
[13:42] <DarkEra> i kinda missed your last messages yesterday so that's why i didn't reply
[13:43] <DarkEra> you were gone by then.. LOL
[13:43] <madeinkobaia> darkera : No problems ;) that's what I guess.
[13:43] <DarkEra> :D
[13:48] <madeinkobaia> For those who're interesting, I put on line some graphical branding studies for our OS, a square format : http://sta.sh/01ksyv29jaly and a poster project : http://sta.sh/0l23undp08x, both are mockups, just mixing some ideas.
[13:49] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: Good ones!!!!!
[13:50] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Thanks :)
[13:51] <DarkEra> i deffo like the second one
[13:52] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Ok. 
[13:55] <DarkEra> it looks really great :)
[13:59] <madeinkobaia> darkera : :) Thanks a lot.
[14:02] <DarkEra> yw :)
[14:34] <DarkEra> i'm going for my daily walk... helps to calm my mind :)
[14:34] <DarkEra> bbl
[14:35] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: :)
[14:35] <DarkEra> i'll stay online but away. If anything then let me know so i can read it back later on
[14:36] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Cheers;)
[18:07] <madeinkobaia> darkera : How was your walk ?
[18:08] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, it was nice :)
[18:11] <madeinkobaia> darkera : No better thing than walkin' (in a nice place) for aerate the spirit. 
[18:12] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I am not sure of the literal translation from French on "aerate the spirit" but I guess you understand :P
[18:12] <DarkEra> i do it on a daily base when i can and yep i understand what you mean
[18:12] <DarkEra> :)
[18:13] <DarkEra> it's good to set my mind on something else, get a clear head
[18:14] <DarkEra> being busy with two little kids can be stressfull sometimes :D
[18:14] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I have that when playing music too.
[18:14] <DarkEra> music is always good for the soul :)
[18:15] <madeinkobaia> darkera : I don't have children yet, but I can imagine could be stress sometimes.
[18:15] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Music is good for all :D
[18:16] <DarkEra> all is great and beautiful when they are babies but when they reach 2 or 3 years they take up all the energy
[18:16] <DarkEra> but still, i love them to bits
[18:17] <madeinkobaia> darkera : That's the essential.
[18:18] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, i started working on something and first time using opensource software. It will take some time but i'm convinced i can pull it off to have a full new track at some point
[18:19] <DarkEra> there will be a new blogpost coming up soon where i explain a few things
[18:20] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, and yep that's true
[18:20] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Great, otherwise I am sorry I can't find anymore the link you send me about your music : (
[18:23] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, oh. no problem. Hold on i'll paste it in a minute
[18:23] <DarkEra> https://soundcloud.com/mathius-quest
[18:24] <DarkEra> here you go :)
[18:25] <DarkEra> the tomb raider track was made in 2008 on a iMac that died on me some time later and all the other tracks were made between 2000 and 2003 on a playstation 1 and playstation 2
[18:28] <madeinkobaia> Ok, I will check that.
[18:29] <DarkEra> ok :)
[18:31] <zequence> DarkEra: nice work on the music
[18:33] <zequence> I haven't heard much of it yet, and usually I only need to listen a few seconds to get a picture, but your music seems to have arrangements that have such a big impact on the big picture, that one needs to listen to at least a good part of it to get an idea
[18:33] <DarkEra> zequence, thank you very much :)
[18:34] <DarkEra> and those were made on a ps1 and 2.... go figure :D
[18:36] <DarkEra> loads of work with only a game controller i tell you but it was fun to do
[18:36] <zequence> Some kind of tracker program?
[18:36] <zequence> I've never seen anyone make music on PS before
[18:37] <zequence> A friend was using his Amiga once
[18:37] <zequence> We even were able to record short samples with it
[18:37] <zequence> Or, was that on a Atari, I forget
[18:37] <zequence> A tracker program anyway
[18:39] <DarkEra> on the PS 1 i had a program called Music 2000. You could create clips by clicking on it so that a window opened just like a midi editor.
[18:39] <DarkEra> the other one on the PS 2 was called MTV Music Generator iirc
[18:40] <DarkEra> both also contained ready to use samlpes and you had oneshots etc. to create your own stuff
[18:42] <DarkEra> bbl, seems like i'm needed here :)
[18:48] <madeinkobaia> darkera : See you
[19:20]  * DarkEra is back
[19:31] <madeinkobaia> My turn, bbl
[19:31] <madeinkobaia> :)
[19:32] <DarkEra> doh.... lol
[19:38] <zequence> I've been talking to the ExTiX guy
[19:38] <zequence> He's been under the impression that the symbol was the Ubuntu COF, and had never heard of Ubuntu Studio
[19:56] <DarkEra> zequence, oh yeah, i almost forgot to ask about that
[20:04] <zequence> I still haven't got any confirmation if he's going to replace the wallpaper or not
[20:04] <zequence> He says he's been using it for the past two years
[20:05] <DarkEra> i only noticed it when i saw the new release on DW. We'll see what he's going to do then.
[20:31] <zequence> I wish someone could tell me the story behind the Ubuntu Studio circle of friends. We really should document it
[20:31] <zequence> astraljava: What do you know about the Ubuntu Studio circle of friends symbol?
[20:33] <zequence> who made it, for starters?
[22:12] <zequence> Once in a while you'll read about people who think the kernel can affect audio sound quality
[22:14] <DarkEra> hmmm?