[00:33] <kapitan> hello
[00:34] <Unit193> Hello.
[00:34] <kapitan> i use ubuntu studio as my main laptop system :)
[00:34] <kapitan> very happy with it
[00:35] <kapitan> the only thing i could have it working
[00:35] <kapitan> is the cpu scaling
[00:35] <kapitan> on the low latency kernel
[00:35] <kapitan> is 13.04 going to support i7 platforms?
[00:36] <kapitan> *couldn't
[00:38] <Unit193> Why wouldn't it?
[00:39] <kapitan> because 12.04 doesn't :)
[00:39] <kapitan> my platform  at least
[00:39] <kapitan> x64 low latency 3.X...40
[00:40] <Unit193> Should be able to use the cpufrequtils for cpu scaling.
[00:42] <kapitan> basically cpufreq-info returns:
[00:42] <kapitan> no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU
[00:42] <kapitan> and i assumed there was a module missing
[00:43] <kapitan> and my system is missing the folder: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq
[00:53] <kapitan> my proc is i7-2670QM
[01:00] <Unit193> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+question/179771 found some old stuff that had issues as well, I don't have anything like that at all, so could only recommend nomodeset, and trying in #ubuntu
[01:03] <kapitan> yeah i was reading there
[01:03] <kapitan> too bad
[01:04] <kapitan> by they way ...your link is to another problem, fortunately not mine, mine is just that i don't have cpu scaling
[01:05] <Unit193> Yeah, just an example of more.
[01:06] <kapitan> oksss, thanks anyway, i'll ask there ;)
[01:07] <Unit193> Sorry.
[01:15] <kapitan> no problem man, i found some info...http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_power_20&num=1
[01:16] <kapitan> and here https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150743&p=10
[01:30] <kapitan> last question then
[01:30] <kapitan> which kernel version on 13.04?
[01:31] <Unit193> 3.8
[01:31] <kapitan> ok cool, that might solve my problem
[01:33] <Unit193> Heh, all the ones I compiled after 3.8.2 were duds for me. :/
[01:33] <kapitan> duds?
[01:33] <Unit193> Not working for my computer.
[01:33] <kapitan> oh haahh, sorry my first language is not english :D
[01:35] <Unit193> Well mine is gibberish, so we're set.
[01:35] <kapitan> lol
[01:36] <kapitan> is raring for the repos?
[01:36] <Unit193> Raring has been released, yeah.
[01:37] <kapitan> ok i am going to add the repos just for the kernel for now
[01:39] <Unit193> Ehh.... That's generally not exactly recommended.
[01:39] <Unit193> Don't want to upgrade?
[01:40] <kapitan> my internet connection sucks here
[01:40] <kapitan> i'll do it
[01:40] <kapitan> just want to see if it works and switch back if now
[01:40] <kapitan> if not
[01:41] <kapitan> can't find the repos lol...how come man :)
[01:45] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux if you know how to recover from it....
[01:46] <kapitan> yeah i can just switch back with grub, it usually keeps the old ones...
[01:46] <kapitan> or maybe there is a ppa with just kernels somewhere...
[01:46] <kapitan> thank you for the link!
[01:48] <Unit193> Think xorg-edgers might?
[01:49] <kapitan> checking :d
[01:49]  * Unit193 out.
[13:33] <RenderedLife> hi .. i just read that 13.04 was just released   :-)    … then i read that if i have 12.10 (I do) that i should reinstall instead of upgrade   :-(      i spent literally months fighting with my system to get it running the latest version of Ardour 3 properly due to how messed up Pulse audio is … and now i have to do that all over again?
[13:39] <DarkEra> well, i have Ardour 3 running on my system since yesterday and while playing around a bit with it i didn't encounter any problem
[13:40] <smartboyhw> RenderedLife: You CAN upgrade.
[13:40] <DarkEra> you could try to install it on another partition and test it
[13:40] <smartboyhw> We just don't recommend it
[13:41] <DarkEra> upgrading can be done but can be risky
[13:49] <RenderedLife> yes .. and when i read that an upgrade is not recommended .. i usually put a lot of stock in that …
[13:51] <RenderedLife> Pulse audio just simply does not play nicely with Jack, and I didn't realize that when I first installed UbuntuStudio  .. if i'm going to need to reinstall a distro, i'd probably rather just switch to one that's more recommended by the Ardour devs ..
[13:51] <RenderedLife> i was so happy to finally get everything working ..
[13:51] <RenderedLife> and now there's a release of Ubuntu Studio that seems to address a few core issues .. but if i do an upgrade, i assume additional risk of things breaking ..
[13:54] <DarkEra> i still would go with a second partition and install 13.04 on it to try it and see how it works. Maybe you can copy the setup you got for Ardour 3 if it doesn't work out. I don't know if that's a option and works?
[14:17] <RenderedLife> DarkEra … that's not a road i want to go down … i spend months agonizing over creating a clean system that works … i have no interest in making new partitions and messing everything up … I know Ardour 3 will work .. i also know that it will require jumping through hoops to customize and to overcome the failing of Pulse Audio .. and that's work i've already done ..
[14:18] <smartboyhw_> Rendered: Reminder: We don't include Ardiur
[14:18] <smartboyhw_> 3 as default in 13.04
[14:19] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_,  i think he knows that because he has Ardour 3 installed on 12.10 from or a ppa or built from source
[14:19] <DarkEra> :)
[14:20] <DarkEra> there's not much to mess up by creating another partition but if one doesn't know how to do it the right way i can understand that
[14:21] <DarkEra> i'm not going to force it upon you RenderedLife it's your choice and you have to switch and set it up anyway once 12.10 isn't supported anymore :)
[14:26] <RenderedLife> DarkEra, smartboyhw .. yes, i have built Ardour from source, and then I paid for a subscription and installed the package which I got directly from the devs ..  there are known issues with distro versions, so i have always avoided that … and i know "how" to create a new partition .. my point is .. i'm working on creating a clean system .. i have no interest in creating multiple boots just to work around issues with a distro ..
[14:27] <DarkEra> i understand that
[17:25] <tuples_> I upgraded 12.10 to 13.04, I don't recommend it >.>
[17:25] <tuples_> the upgrade path, that is
[17:25] <tuples_> well, it broke for me anyways
[17:25] <tuples_> I had messed with pulse & jack to get a USB sound card working
[17:26] <tuples_> after the upgrade, pulse and jack no like each other
[17:26] <tuples_> I've pulled out all jack related configs, then wiped all user pulse configs to have pulse recreate them
[17:26] <tuples_> I now have sound, but pulse isn't going through jack
[17:27] <tuples_> so presently I'll need to kill pulse and start jack
[17:27] <tuples_> not the end of the world, but it took me quite a while to get to that point
[17:29] <tuples_> I'll have to reconfigure to make pulse a jack client but I'm in no hurry to tackle that :p
[18:23] <zequence> tuples_: jack and pulse work flawlessly on 13.04
[18:23] <zequence> tuples_: If using default configs
[18:24] <zequence> pulseaudio had a bug that was fixed in 3.0, which made jack not be able to grab the card from pulseaudio
[18:24] <zequence> I'm talking about the interaction now, not the audio servers by themselves. There will always be bugs of some kind
[18:25] <zequence> bug #1163638
[18:25] <zequence> Another bug, which caused jack to crash is fixed in all releases now
[18:32] <DarkEra> for me, now i'm working a bit more with it, 13.04 is the best release yet. The sound is smooth when using jack, ardour, zynaddsubfx etc. Awesome
[18:50] <tuples_> zequence: upgrading on day 2 of the release may not have been the wisest move :p
[18:50] <tuples_> I haven't started/tested jack yet (not that pulse is working)
[18:50] <tuples_> but I'm quite a bit more hopeful :)
[19:00] <zequence> tuples_: If you make your own custom configs, than from my point of view, I can't tell what is likely to work on your system or not
[19:01] <zequence> tuples_: Not much has happened since 13.04 was released. It's a stable release, and surely there are bugs, but not just by automation.
[19:01] <zequence> In fact, there has been very little changes to Ubuntu Studio the last month before it was released
[19:03] <zequence> tuples_: What is not working with pulse?
[19:22] <tuples_> pulse default sink set to jack.  Pulse threw errors about connecting to the jack server socket.
[19:22] <tuples_> default out, that is :)
[19:23] <tuples_> wiping user configs for pulse fixed it, or stopped it from routing to jack
[19:24] <tuples_> I'd had these configs for a long time though, so there may have been older, obsolete/changed pulse configs involved
[19:25] <tuples_> it struck me as odd though.  It worked perfectly before.
[19:27] <tuples_> where I became more confused was getting the usb soundcard to work with jack while routing output through pulse (so I could use laptop headphone jack since I seem to have lost all my stereo 1/16 -> 1/8 converter)
[19:28] <tuples_> and then running an OS upgrade within a week
[19:28] <tuples_> I touched lots of configs, then touched more configs
[19:29] <tuples_> I think it will either be fixed, or I'll have a better grasp on what's happening when I try to reconfig pulse as a jack client.
[19:31] <tuples_> I suppose I could have searched around for old /etc configs to make diffs and see if anything minor changed with pulse
[19:32] <zequence> There's no need for any configs beyond the default configs
[19:32] <zequence> Starting jackdbus will automatically start jack_sink and jack_source for pulseaudio
[19:33] <zequence> there may be problems if you have restarted jack a few times, this happens to me
[19:33] <zequence> ..as for the automation of jack_sink and _source
[19:33] <zequence> Those are created automatically by pulseaudio-module-jack, btw
[19:33] <zequence> Which is installed by default
[19:33] <tuples_> I've been using LADI so I do tend to restart jack
[19:35] <zequence> pulseaudio-module-jack is the jackdbus_detect module, included in the main pulseaudio source, but packaged separately
[19:38] <tuples_> sounds like I need to go back to basics, as far as configs :)
[19:38] <tuples_> the basics sound more sensible than they used to be
[19:39] <tuples_> for jack and for pulse :)
[19:39] <zequence> the jackdbus detect module is not thoroughly developed, so it might need some work. It's more like an example module
[19:39] <zequence> But, it works
[19:40] <zequence> Since 13.04, it will only create 2 channels for PA, no matter how many channels your jack device has
[19:40] <zequence> Most people only need a stereo connection. Also, each channel eats CPU
[19:41] <zequence> The channel config can be changed in /etc/pulse/default.pa
[19:41] <zequence> .ifexists module-jackdbus-detect.so
[19:41] <zequence> load-module module-jackdbus-detect channels=2
[19:42] <tuples_> cool, thx
[20:04] <nixnine> I need a keylogger for studio.  Any suggestions?
[21:00] <Inoki> Hi guys, any designers here?
[21:04] <zequence> Inoki: You mean, like graphic designer?
[21:05] <zequence> I'm sure there are some here who dabble. I'm more into audio myself
[21:05] <Inoki> zequence: hiya, yer, graphics.
[21:08] <Inoki> zequence: while we're at it, I wrote an article about Ubuntu Studio today :D
[21:08] <Inoki> zequence: might wanna check it out: http://live4p.com/index.php?site=news&id=335
[21:09] <zequence> Inoki: Nice article
[21:10] <Inoki> zequence: Thanks!