[00:08] <carrera> ruien, are u near Shanghai?  cause it's 8:08 AM there
[00:09] <ruien> no, I'm in sichuan, far away from shanghai. However, china has no daylight savings time and the whole country is on a single timezone - very convenient.
[01:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> and back
[01:01] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: gnome-panel is the gnome-fallback mode (no effects), gnome-shell is gnome
[01:10] <carrera> ntzrmtthihu777, thanks!  By "no effects" do u mean Gnome 2 lookalike?  So gnome-shell is Gnome 3?
[01:10] <carrera> ruien, very convenient indeed but that's a VERY big country for one time zone!
[01:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: I think its all gnome3, but the gnome-panel session looks almost exactly like ubuntu lucid
[01:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: and by no effects it means no compiz by default.
[01:14] <ntzrmtthihu777> heh, and I got the one compiz thing I wanted in the form of a script hotkeyed to super left or right.
[01:16] <baz> hello, i cant log in on x windows, how can i troubleshoot problem, currently on text only irssi session at the moment....something about remote logins on my var/log files??????
[01:17] <baz> i have a mouse pointer, a shaded blue screen and nothing else..... on VT 7 ...
[01:17] <ruien> baz: mind sharing the specific errors?
[01:17] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: drop to a tty and try sudo lightdm start, or was it sudo start lightdm?
[01:18] <ruien> "service lightdm start", right?
[01:18] <ntzrmtthihu777> ruien: not sure as to the exact invocation, but yeah, like that.
[01:18] <Unit193> service application action
[01:19] <baz> ntzrmttthihu777: i give that a shot byut understand root or usual user?
[01:19] <baz> ntzrmttthihu777: i give that a shot byut under root or usual user? osrry about the nonsense
[01:19] <ruien> as root
[01:19] <baz> job is already running (its says)
[01:19] <ntzrmtthihu777> man i like this icon theme I'm working on :P
[01:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: xfce4-panel
[01:20] <ntzrmtthihu777> and I got tabbed browsing in thunar now :P
[01:20] <ruien> baz: you can restart lightdm too: "service lightdm restart"
[01:21] <baz> ntzrmtthihu777: xcce4-panel as root?????????? (why, not even password prompt yet, anyways??)
[01:21] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: no, you can run it as a normal user. try what ruien said first
[01:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: you are obviously logged in in some form, as you are talking to us on said machine, correct?
[01:23] <ruien> he's in irssi
[01:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> ruien: yes, and that requires some sort of login, as any program would. he's not in a tty, though, as he has a mouse, no?
[01:26] <ruien> oh, i assumed a tty, no mouse.
[01:26] <ntzrmtthihu777> brb, reboot, dist-upgrade
[01:26] <ruien> good luck
[01:29] <baz> well i restarted it, lost complete control of system, couold only get system to respond to alt-sysrq-b.......after restarting lightdm service....still wont boot...odd message about remote sessions diectory in lightdm /var/;og
[01:30] <baz> same shaded blue screen
[01:30] <ruien> baz: twice you've referred to an "odd message", but you haven't told us what that message is.
[01:30] <baz> message: failed to open sessions directory /usr/share/lightdm/remote-sessions ?????? <------ is that normal
[01:31] <ruien> no, that sounds like a problem.
[01:31] <ruien> hm, then again, I don't have even /usr/share/lightdm on my 12.04 xubuntu system. Which system are you running?
[01:32] <baz> ruien: is it normal to have a remote-sessions directory? it seems odd to me when all my sessions to me are local (sitting in front of pc) but maybe this is some strange x windows description of remote ...
[01:32] <carrera> I want to have a Gnome 2 like DE on my laptop as well as Fxce. Should I go for MATE or the new Ubuntu Gnome project?
[01:33] <ntzrmtthihu777> carrera: stick with xubuntu, you can have it almost exactly like gnome2
[01:33] <ruien> baz: well to X, everything is a session and it might treat them all as remote, though i am not so sure. But yeah it's a client/server relationship.
[01:34] <ruien> carrera: mine looks a lot like gnome 2, just due to the way i've moved the panels around, but i'm not sure what you're really looking for
[01:34] <carrera> ntzrmtthihu777, great... thank u sir!  Actually that's what ruien told me too. He said I should spend some time with  xubuntu, cause I would really like it.
[01:34] <ntzrmtthihu777> well hell, now my top panel's window buttons item is not expanding out :/
[01:35] <baz> ruien: remote-sessions directory ????? is that normal?????
[01:36] <carrera> ruien, for one, I like the clock app in Gnome. I could add all sorts of cities and look up the time by clicking on the clock. I could also "set" that city and get the temp together with the time and date in the panel
[01:37] <carrera> ruien, I was gonna add Shanghai, so I would know your time when I noticed that's not possible in Xfce
[01:39] <ruien> carrera: if you're talking about the "orage globaltime", that's already in there. but i'm not very familiar with what you're talking about, i only have limited experience with gnome
[01:40] <baz> crazy, theres nothing in lightdm /etc/ directory about that session directory anywhere, WTF?
[01:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: you install anything strange lately?
[01:42] <carrera> ruien, thanks dude, I know about orage and I was going to give it a try. I was busy watching car videos again!
[01:43] <baz> ntzr: nothing strange, just desura and some games .....padman.....warsow.....all done through desura or software center.....
[01:43] <ruien> baz: which distribution are you using
[01:43] <baz> this directory lightdm is referring to doesnt even exist anywhere
[01:44] <baz> ruien: xubuntu 12.10
[01:44] <baz> havent upgraded due to issue with chrome, also should mention am running amd catalyst ....
[01:44] <ruien> yeah, i'm waiting on upstream for chrome too
[01:45] <ntzrmtthihu777> apt-get purge lightdm-gtkwhatever its called apt-get install lighdm lightdm-gtk-whatever, should purge config files and reset defaulds
[01:45] <ruien> then, after that, create a *new* user account and try to log into that new account with xfce
[01:47] <baz> ntzr: whats, intresting here is that none of the .conf files associated with lightdm in the /etc directory mention the directory in the error message whatsoever .....
[01:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> yes, this is very strange for certain.
[01:56] <baz> is there a normal X sessions directoy on xubuntu 12.10? where is it?
[02:01] <baz> anybody offhand know what the md5 hash of the lightdm binaries should be?
[02:01] <ruien> baz: do you mean ./usr/share/xsessions ?
[02:02] <Seandomono> Hey, i'm running Ubuntu on an older system and it's starting to get pretty sluggish. I'm planning on migrating to Xubuntu, would it be better to format and install from scratch or just install xubuntu-desktop?
[02:02] <Unit193> baz: You can use debsums to check and see if it's good.
[02:02] <Unit193> !info debsums
[02:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> Seandomono: I've tried converting to xubuntu from gnome, did not work out too well
[02:03] <baz> ruien: maybe, whats really got my curiosty is why lightdm is looking for a directory that does not exist. i pulled up the man page for lightdm and it mentioned the sessions...
[02:03] <Unit193> Seandomono: I like fresh installs better if you don't have stuff setup too much, but can try...
[02:03] <Unit193> !purexfce
[02:03] <baz> thanks unit193
[02:03] <ruien> Seandomono: install from scratch if you can. And, yes, you will notice improvements in the speed with xubuntu.
[02:03] <Unit193> baz: Sure thing.
[02:05] <Seandomono> ntzrmtthihu777, Unit193, ruien: Thanks, that's what I will do then, install from scratch.
[02:05] <ruien> i have a netbook that went from unusable to awesome
[02:08] <baz> debsums says it checks out ...... was hoping to see the md5sums of the binaries in the debian package archive and compare them manually to what i have out of /usr/sib
[02:08] <baz> debsums says it checks out ...... was hoping to see the md5sums of the binaries in the debian package archive and compare them manually to what i have out of /usr/sbin
[02:09] <Seandomono> yeah this laptop only has a 1.5gh core 2 duo with 2gb of RAM and Unity is pretty slow
[02:10] <baz> is lightdm started from xinit???? If i had gui i would google it but kinda tricky without graphics
[02:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> Mine is better (no brag) but it got hella better when I installed xubuntu :P CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at 800.000 Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-40-generic x86_64 Up~42 min Mem~1352.3/3447.5MB HDD~500.1GB(29.2% used) Procs~182 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4
[02:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: you can install lynx and browse the net with that.
[02:11] <GridCube> baz, sudo service lightdm start
[02:11] <ruien> baz: you can extract the archive with 'ar x foo.deb'
[02:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> its basically to a gui browser what irssi is to xchat
[02:11] <baz> gridcube: tried that already same thing
[02:11] <GridCube> whats the problem?
[02:12] <baz> ntzr: lynx, yeah i know about lynx
[02:13] <baz> system starts up, blue shaded screen, mouse pointer, no gretter no password request. /var/log/lightdm files complain of missing remote-sessions directory which doesnt appear to exist in my directory tree whatsoever...
[02:13] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: when you first started what dir were you in? and did you have autologin setup?
[02:14] <GridCube> baz, tried to reinstall lightdm?
[02:14] <GridCube> baz, tried to change lightdm for gdm?
[02:14] <baz> failed to open directory : /usr/share/lightdm/remote-sessions???????????????????????????? wondering why its looking there, used debsums... debsums says packages are fine...
[02:14] <baz> no autologin
[02:15] <baz> ntzr: no directoy in particular , just regular boot
[02:15] <GridCube> check the file /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[02:15] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: you have to be in *some* dir. do pwd
[02:16] <baz> it's odd,, i do bitcoin stuff and a little concerned that someone may have tried to get in the box so to speak so verifying md5sums etc... very curious as to what making lightdm looking in a non-existant directory for sessions
[02:16]  * GridCube shrugs
[02:17] <baz> ntyzr: pwd wont help right now....... its not the directory i am in.......the question is why is lightdm looking in what seems to me is a really odd directory?
[02:17] <GridCube> baz, did you installed gdm at one point?
[02:17] <baz> gridcube: not to my knowledge.......
[02:17] <GridCube> baz, do mkdir -p /usr/share/lightdm/remote-sessions
[02:17] <GridCube> and try to launch lightdm again
[02:17] <baz> gridcube: sure, cant hurt
[02:19] <baz> opk directory is created..........
[02:20] <GridCube> baz, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1064061
[02:20] <GridCube> thats the workaround
[02:21] <baz> shame i cant copy and paste right now......or at least i dont know how to do that without a mouse pointer in console land......there are days.. that i actually miss Dos, the amiga, etc.. this is one of them
[02:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: you can do close enough with pastebinit
[02:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> you can do it right in irssi
[02:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> do /exec -o pastebinit /path/to/file
[02:22] <GridCube> baz, yes, you can execute any command and | pastebinit
[02:23] <baz> Unable to read from: /home/baz/test
[02:24] <GridCube> baz, you couldnt create the directory?
[02:24] <baz> well created directory and nothings new...i checked the log files
[02:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> baz: does /home/baz/test even exist?
[02:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> try it with your .bashrc
[02:26] <baz> whats the ownership of remote-sessions supposed to be?
[02:26] <GridCube> root i suppose
[02:26] <GridCube> baz,  try sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[02:26] <baz> thats the current ownership... looking at timestamps of log files
[02:27] <baz> wierd -- 0 bytes for x-0-greeter.log
[02:29] <baz> same after reconfigure... got a process number i am going to use lsof and see what files it has opened
[02:31] <GridCube> baz, P: what if you sudo apt-get install lightdm --reinstall
[02:31] <GridCube> or even sudo apt-get install gdm
[02:32] <baz> according to dpkg -i | grep gdm, gdm is not installed
[02:33] <GridCube> no, thats why, i say install it :P
[02:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> later, starcraft time :D
[02:56] <Trexity> hello
[02:57] <ruien> hello
[02:57] <Linus> how are you
[02:58] <ruien> Great. Have a question?
[02:58] <Linus> no more like a thank you
[02:58] <Linus> over the last few years linux has adapted and over all gave me a great perspective on things
[02:59] <ruien> great, direct that to knome; he and his team deserve it :)
[02:59] <Linus> i thank all of you for your hard work and dedication to making the best enviroment for users
[02:59] <Linus>  i honestly have to say ......... thank you  - Linus Torvalds
[03:12] <kRush> looks legit
[03:12] <ruien> lol
[03:21] <baz> dear god. what was that pastebin thingy i found a new dbus issue re my greeter not loader ...
[03:21] <baz> !pastebin
[03:22] <baz> !pastebinit /var/log/auth.log
[03:24] <baz> the above possibly describes why i have no password prompt on x-windows... d bus message blocked ....
[03:25] <kRush> you're not making much sense
[03:27] <baz> krush: see those lines .... dbus lightdm-greeter.....
[03:28] <baz> in that paste on ubuntu.com
[03:28] <baz> i have no password prompt in xwindows, i think thats why.....
[03:29] <baz> but restarting lightdm has not helped
[03:29] <ruien> baz: no, we cannot see your paste.
[03:29] <baz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5621354
[03:30] <baz> found in my /var/log/auth.log
[03:31] <ruien> requirement "user ingroup nopasswdlogin" not met by user "baz"
[03:31] <ruien> did you do what we suggested? purge and reinstall and then create a new user to test?
[03:31] <baz> no i did not purge and reinstall, sounded dangerous
[03:32] <ruien> yeah, it does. how about the new user?
[03:34] <baz> havent tried that either. dont understand what use a new user is going to be when the damn greeter seems to be not loaded or possilblyu blocked dbus
[03:34] <baz> very frustated , sorry about d**n, 2 day old install...
[03:37] <baz> well, i purged and reinstalled the greeter.......since that seems to be the one generating the error messages.......
[03:37] <baz> and after restart, we have gone from a shaded blue screen to a completely black one....wonder what the logs say now
[03:39] <baz> well, that was destructive
[03:39] <holstein> baz: if its just a few days old, i would just reinstall
[03:40] <baz> holstein: WHY?, two days...... "just" reninstalling involves installing all drivers and software all over again, if i want that experience theres a windows parition ready and willing
[03:41] <holstein> baz: sometimes, if you are new to it, that can be the easiest.. if you installed drivers, i would start there troubleshooting
[03:41] <baz> does anybody know exactly would those lines in auth.log mean????
[03:41] <baz> holstein: new not really, try 4 years
[03:42] <baz> but 4 + years of linux use does not help when the documentation provided leaves you with way too much guessing...
[03:43] <holstein> baz: what documentation do you need?
[03:43] <baz> holstein: i need to understand if these dbus error is in the way of my password prompt showing up..
[03:44] <holstein> baz: in the greeter? you dont have a password promt? can you login in tty?
[03:47] <holstein> baz: can you login via tty?
[03:47] <baz> at this point after purging and reinstalling the greeter i have probably toasted major sections of the install.....not that it wasnt toasted to begin with......everytime i come back to the ubuntu camp, hoping things are better since more people like steam have jumped on the ubuntu train and only to find out things are worse, i got a 3 year old debian install in my other box......
[03:48] <baz> 3 years to 2 days ....
[03:48] <baz> holstein: yes
[03:48] <holstein> baz: works fine for most, but i can understand you are frustrated
[03:48] <baz> holstein: right now, i am chatting via irssi.....on console....
[03:49] <holstein> baz: if i were you, i would just use debian and install xfce.. sounds like that would make you more comfortable
[03:49] <baz> everythings much harder when you cant cut and paste in seconds
[03:49] <ruien> baz, the issues you are seeing aren't really typical. did you start with a fresh install of xubuntu and go from there installing drivers? In my experience, drivers can break a lot of stuff too
[03:49] <holstein> yup. i agree with that ^^
[03:49] <holstein> i think it whatever drivers you are refering to..
[03:50] <baz> holstein: yeah, i get your gist. but i chose xubuntu to have fun,,,,,,,,,,,debian is not fun......debian is for admins.....debian doesent have steam and all that.... i wanted a stable gaming distro......
[03:50] <holstein> baz: i would reinstall xubuntu, and come here before you do anything
[03:50] <baz> ruien: yes, fresh install, installed catalyst driver, all was fine until today......
[03:50] <holstein> baz: i, and many other have never had those issues.. and when you say "i have to install all those drivers" thats a red flag for me
[03:51] <baz> holstein: 1 driver,,,,,, amd radeon 7950
[03:51] <kRush> what was the last thing you changed before it broke?
[03:51] <holstein> baz: and you have removed it and tested?
[03:51] <baz> is the software i've installed i moaning about.
[03:51] <holstein> baz: thats what i suggested earlier... remove it and test
[03:52] <baz> opencl sdk, mining stuff (bitcoin),
[03:52] <holstein> baz: non repo software?
[03:52] <baz> its not the mining software. its not the sdk. that was fine....
[03:53] <baz> holestein: how do you sugguest i properly run a $330 graphics card for some fun? , incomplete-open-source drivers..... ????
[03:53] <holstein> baz: i suggest you test this as a troubleshooting step
[03:54] <baz> shall i just march into amd's office and demand they open source their driver to make all the open-source guys happy, i'm sure it wont work... and it wont fix my problem ...
[03:54] <ruien> first, radeon cards are not a great choice for linux. second, the suggestion was to help narrow down the problem
[03:54] <holstein> if you want to have fun, maybe consider purchasing a machine built and designed to run ubuntu.. maybe from system76.. everything should just work out of the box
[03:54] <baz> dear god
[03:54] <holstein> !ot | baz
[03:54] <baz> i spent $1300 dollars on my non-system76 system.....blaming my problems on a video driver is just ingnorance and sillyness
[03:55] <baz> not only that, all of my componemts work out of the box without extra crap apart from the video card...
[03:55] <ruien> baz, there are complexities you are overlooking.
[03:55] <holstein> baz: it literally wont hurt to test withouth the driver installed..
[03:56] <holstein> baz: i only mention it because of the issues i have had using the proprietary graphics card drivers in the past
[03:56] <baz> and removing the driver (which is not and was not the issue) IT was fine....removes the abilty to play the games.......you might as well be AMD telling me my graphics card is broken becuase i ran linux ...
[03:56] <baz> anyways
[03:57] <holstein> baz: i would just try without the driver, as a troubleshooting step.. you can always put a custom xorg.conf in place that forces the vesa driver
[03:57] <holstein> baz: maybe its as simple as using a nother greeter with that driver...
[03:58] <baz> jp;steom:  intresting sugguestion but the greeter and dthe driver worked fine together before.
[03:58] <holstein> baz: they are currently *not* working fine together
[03:59] <holstein> baz: im sure you can find a volunteer who can look at that log and help you.. maybe at amd, or in the mailing list.. also, this is likely not a xubuntu specific issue, so you can try #ubuntu as well
[04:00] <baz> holst3ein: they were working fine until my last reboot.   The real sad issue is i spent years learning all kinds of stuff about computers, i am almost 40 now, started when i was 10 and linux has been the hardest thing to pick up, the documention SUCKS,
[04:00] <baz> i can code in assembly language
[04:00] <holstein> baz: the documentation is mostly publically editable... for all linux distros
[04:01] <kRush> just read the code then =c
[04:01] <holstein> yeah.. the code isnt hiding anything from you.. if you are comfortable looking there (i am not)
[04:02] <baz> i wrote stuff on the c64, but i still know very little about the linux in general, like for example DBUS..... why it is so hard to find good documentation on dbus... if i was as easy as reading a couple of documents and understanding it.. my system would be working fine now... the sad truth is i know my way ....way better around windows which is funny becuase in the last 5 years i can count the number of hours i have used that th
[04:03] <holstein> baz: i think its more about what one is used to... let us know if you have a support question, otherwise, enjoy the offtopic channel.. cheers!
[04:04] <baz> i had a support question, no one seems to know what the error message means....
[04:04] <baz> which is the ROOT of the problem , oh dear
[04:04] <baz> lol
[04:04] <holstein> baz: did you try the main channel? #ubuntu ? or the mailing list?
[04:05] <baz> they sent me to you in about 2 minutes ....
[04:05] <holstein> baz: doesnt seem that any volunteers here (including myself, or you) understand that log message paste
[04:05] <holstein> baz: what driver are you using? have you tried the open one? and both proprietary ones? how about if you use the open one or the vesa driver?
[04:05] <baz> holstein: right, and if there was more documentaion we would and maybe there would be a lot more linux users in the world ...
[04:06] <holstein> baz: but, the documntaion you need is hardware specific..
[04:06] <ruien> i don't really see any errors in the paste..
[04:06] <baz> holstein: i used the vesa driver, before i installed the properity one.......
[04:06] <holstein> baz: and you logged in with it, correct?
[04:07] <baz> ruien: the rejected send message doesnt look like a error to you?.....
[04:07] <baz> holstein: i have been able to log in under x windows after installing the catalyst driver.....
[04:07] <holstein> baz: doesnt look like it to me either.. but again, im not a volunteer who is that savvy with the log messgaes
[04:07] <holstein> messages*
[04:08] <ruien> baz: sort of, but why is it there, not at the end? does that mean you are able to open an X session if you are root?
[04:09] <engkur> hi all
[04:09] <engkur> ruien, nice see u again !
[04:09] <ruien> hey :)
[04:09] <engkur> about my problem, xfce4-session crash with libglib-2.0
[04:10] <engkur> im upgrade from 12.10 to 13.04
[04:10] <kRush> btw baz, I have that message in my auth.log, too
[04:10] <ruien> baz all i found is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/346513 which is fixed
[04:10] <baz> ruien: i expect that root wont be a problem for getting into x but you dont really x running as root anyways !!!!!
[04:11] <holstein> baz: you could try it
[04:11] <engkur> but thin not problem when im try fresh install xubuntu 13.04 im in virtualbox
[04:11] <holstein> baz: its just a troubleshooting step. ruien is not suggesting that you run as root all the time...
[04:11] <ruien> baz, have you heard of a binary search? you need to troubleshoot, and that means dividing your problem into pieces and eliminating causes. You write software, so you know that writing software takes no skill.. it's debugging that is where experienced programmers shine, right?
[04:12] <engkur> i think im hit this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/1172018
[04:12] <baz> kRush, nice ASCII nick style
[04:12] <ruien> engkur: that's a confirmed bug, so maybe indeed
[04:12] <holstein> baz: i have to go.. but consider trying some of the suggestions offered here.. trying as root could help ruien help you.. and trying another graphics driver wont hurt either
[04:13] <baz> kRush, does your system still let you log in...
[04:13] <kRush> ofc
[04:13] <baz> holstein: yeah root works fine...or at least startx from the root prompt... no panel though... just a right clickable menu with thankgod a terminal
[04:14] <holstein> baz: try as another user then.. remove your user config from the euqation
[04:14] <holstein> then, you'll know the issue is in your user /home somewhere.. you can remove the .config files there and they will respawn
[04:15] <baz> holstein: but thats not going to help lightdm-gretter show up
[04:15] <holstein> baz: i would go one thing at a time...
[04:15] <holstein> baz: good luck!
[04:16] <holstein> !volunteer | baz
[04:16] <baz> !volunteer
[04:16] <baz> !volunteer | baz
[04:16] <holstein> !volunteers | baz
[04:16] <kRush> and what ASCII nick style?
[04:17] <baz> the small k and the upper case R looks nice on my font...
[04:17] <baz> on my console....
[04:21] <marandi> hi , guys , i use ubuntu in my laptop and xubuntu in my old PC ! i installed so much great packages in my ubuntu the i copied all .deb files from /var/cache/apt to my xubuntu ! now i wanna know how can i make a repository from this local directory of all .deb files in xubuntu ?
[04:42] <MeXTuX> Installed Xubuntu 13.04 and now when I see the grub menu options and pick one. I see a cursor for a few seconds and then I am back in grub screen over and over and over. Any idea? I am using a Lenovo laptop
[05:00] <ruien> MeXTuX: does grub freeze? or does the computer reboot?
[05:02] <marandi> hi guys , how can i make a Package.gz from all my deb s file in xubuntu ?
[05:02] <ruien> marandi: do they all live in /var/cache/apt/archives ?
[05:03] <ruien> (making a repository from the files is not so easy. you're better off with a mirror like with apt-mirror), but just backing up the .deb files is easy.
[05:03] <marandi> ruien: no , i copied them from ubuntu /var/cache/apt/archives but its in my home in xubuntu !
[05:03] <ruien> okay, well put them all in one directory, say it's called "my_dir"
[05:03] <ruien> then
[05:04] <baizon> marandi: the easiest way would be: https://syslog.tv/2010/07/02/using-dpkg-selections-to-backup-and-install-packages/
[05:04] <ruien> tar -czf my_dir.tar.gz my_dir
[05:04] <marandi> baizon ruien: ok let me check
[05:04] <baizon> marandi: then you get a list of your pkgs without creating a gz.
[05:05] <ruien> of course, to avoid having to re-download those .debs, you still want to extract them to /var/cache/apt/archives on the new machine before running the dpkg --set-selections command
[05:07] <marandi> ruien: so if copy them all to /var/cache/apt/archives and install them with sudo apt-get install it wont download all packages again ?!
[05:08] <ruien> right, it's smart. and baizon's method makes it easy to gave a full list too
[05:08] <ruien> s/gave/have/
[05:09] <baizon> marandi: thats not correct, not every pkg is there
[05:09] <baizon> there is the cache
[05:09] <marandi> baizon: no , i just want to install some of my software such as lamp-server and sublime and workbench
[05:10] <grassman20> Anyone here able to help me with the new Xubuntu 13.04?
[05:11] <baizon> marandi: then, download the pkgs, form packages.ubuntu.com by yourself. Tar it and install it then with dpkg -i <youpkg>.deb
[05:11] <baizon> grassman20: yes
[05:11] <baizon> if it isn't to hard :)
[05:11] <grassman20> I just installed it on my laptop and I've got no network interface
[05:11] <grassman20> No eth0
[05:11] <grassman20> nothing
[05:11] <grassman20> It was working before I upgraded
[05:12] <marandi> baizon: i dont want to download again , i downloaded and installed them before in my ubuntu , and in my new pc with xubuntu i dont have internet connection so i wanna use all those packages from ubuntu
[05:12] <baizon> grassman20: ifconfig -a gives you what output?
[05:12] <baizon> marandi: then check /var/cache/apt/archives for this pkgs and copy them out
[05:13] <grassman20> baizon: Well, I'll have to type it out. Computer in question is not online to cut/paste. Anything in particular I should look for?
[05:13] <baizon> grassman20: is there anything?
[05:13] <marandi> baizon: i did , and copy them out to new pc in home directory ! and what u told me was to copy them into /var/cache/apt/archive right ?!
[05:13] <baizon> i mean any output
[05:13] <baizon> marandi: no
[05:14] <marandi> baizon: so ?!
[05:14] <baizon> marandi: copy them wherever you want, and just install with dpkg
[05:14] <grassman20> baizon: just lo
[05:14] <baizon> grassman20: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/network-configuration.html
[05:15] <marandi> baizon: how ? can u explain me the command ?!
[05:15] <baizon> marandi: http://askubuntu.com/questions/40779/can-you-install-a-deb-file-via-the-command-line
[05:16] <marandi> baizon: with this command it will install dependencies  packages too , right ?!
[05:17] <baizon> marandi: no, you have to mark all the pkgs by yourself, like this: dpkg -i pkg1.deb pkg2.deb and so on
[05:17] <baizon> marandi: in this way you have to mark all the dependencies
[05:18] <marandi> baizon: its not fair :( , i wanna stick to make a repository from all these package , it think its much easier !
[05:18] <baizon> marandi: yes it is
[05:18] <baizon> marandi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470742
[05:19] <baizon> this gave me google for example
[05:20] <marandi1> sorry i just disconnected !
[05:20] <marandi1> my last sentence was baizon: its not fair :( , i wanna stick to make a repository from all these package , it think its much easier !
[05:20] <marandi1> baizon: so can u help me out with it ?
[05:20] <baizon> marandi: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1470742
[05:20] <baizon> this gave me google for example
[05:21] <baizon> marandi1: im sure you will find a solution :)
[05:27] <marandi1> baizon: i found this http://www.ihelplounge.com/how-to-set-up-a-local-repository/ , but there is no dpkg-scanpackages command found on xubuntu !
[05:27] <grassman20> baizon: I worked through that link you posted, but I wasn't able to find a solution
[05:28] <grassman20> baizon: I tried  sudo lshw -class network
[05:28] <grassman20> baizon: That listed both network interfaces (ethernet and wireless) but didn't give them a logical name or list their mac address
[05:28] <baizon> marandi1: you need the dpkg-dev pkg
[05:29] <marandi1> baizon: alright ! thanks , let me check
[05:34] <grassman20> I might just start a forum thread. I'm pretty much stuck.
[05:35] <mazenalarifi> i have problem black screen after i start  and remove nividia however before update ubuntu is working normal
[06:31] <marandi> guys , load button in restore section in aptoncd  wont work and i got error even after i install hal ! what should i do ?
[06:39] <marandi> somebody help please
[06:50] <uber> Anyone here?
[06:51] <TheSheep> !ask
[06:51] <uber> I need some testers for a Debian package I've built for the latest release of DocFetcher. It was a little tricky. Its available for only amd64 right now. You can install the .deb package from the link.
[06:51] <uber> http://uberstudent.net/pool/main/d/docfetcher/
[06:52] <TheSheep> uber: maybe try ubuntu-motu
[06:52] <TheSheep> uber: this is a support channel
[06:52] <uber> Thxs I'll have a look.
[06:54] <marandi> guys , my cdrom mount directory is AptOnCd but i wanna rename it to cdrom , how can i do that ?
[06:55] <ruien> marandi: when nothing is mounted, it's just a normal directory.
[06:56] <ruien> if it's breaking something, maybe `ln -s AptOnCd cdrom` ?
[06:56] <marandi> ruien: no no , aptoncd for adding cdrom as repository need to mount cd in /media/cdrom but my when i insert cd it will automatically mounting into aptoncd directory
[06:58] <ruien> okay, i am not sure then, because i don't see why or how the default mount point for your CD changed.
[06:59] <marandi> ruien: dont u know why load button dosent work in aptoncd ?!
[07:00] <ruien> Sorry, i'm not sure what you're referring to and haven't used aptoncd. I don't even have a CD drive.
[07:00] <marandi> ruien: its ok , thanks btw
[09:22] <chrisnofneur> Hello all
[09:22] <[uzver]> chrisnofneur: hi!
[09:22] <chrisnofneur> I am having troubles since I've upgraded my xubuntu 12.10 to 13.04
[09:22] <chrisnofneur> I can't activate the wireless
[09:23] <chrisnofneur> that's pretty weird
[09:23] <chrisnofneur> anyone facing the same issue ?
[09:24] <Unit193> chrisnofneur: What do you mean by "can't activate"?  Does sudo service network-manager restart  help?
[09:29] <chrisnofneur> I will  try that
[09:29] <chrisnofneur> I was meaning, I can't activate wifi with the applet in the top panel
[09:30] <chrisnofneur> hmm..
[09:30] <chrisnofneur> when I that ifconfig
[09:31] <chrisnofneur> I get eth0 and lo but no wlan0
[09:31] <chrisnofneur> s/that/type/
[09:32] <chrisnofneur> network-manager restart doesn't  help
[09:33] <ruien> does the kernel identify your wireless network adapter during boot in dmesg or does it perhaps show up in lspci ?
[09:33] <chrisnofneur> it does sho up in lspci :
[09:34] <chrisnofneur> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[09:38] <chrisnofneur> I get this in dmesg : "02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)"
[09:39] <chrisnofneur> When I type ip list I get : "3: eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT qlen 1000"
[09:39] <chrisnofneur> Looks like my wireless is recognized but Down
[09:40] <chrisnofneur> I don't know how to bring it up
[10:58] <luffe48> Anyone here who has some experience with bluetooth audio?
[10:59] <luffe48> I'm trying to hook up some bluetooth speakers, but i can't seem to get this to work
[11:00] <luffe48> With bluez configured to use the socket api, there's some sort of dbus api mismatch, and with the media api nothing works.
[12:48] <PPetros> Hi. Xubuntu 13.04: I have installed additional drivers (Software Centre says) but it shows nowhere. Need to set up my broadcom simple way. Hjalp!
[12:48] <PPetros> Please...
[13:04] <spiderman> hello i recently installed 13.04 xubuntu and sound is not working for me.
[13:04] <spiderman> i also cant play youtube in firefox becasue it r equire flash palyer plugin which i downloaded but then its installation failed..
[13:11] <engkur> spiderman, just install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[13:11] <engkur> and all codec will be install as well
[13:18] <DarkEra> spiderman, did you check if the sound is muted by default? that can happen on some systems
[13:22] <abderraouf> Hi
[13:23] <abderraouf> i need to make the keyboard layout label "ara" to "ar" , how i can do that? xfce4-xkb-plugin
[13:27] <spiderman> i had installed minitube which said , it need to install lot of codecs etc,,....after that  when i tried istalling xubuntu restricted extras.. it said some programs will be removed
[13:28] <spiderman> it seems there are three variants ...xubuntu-restricted-extra , kubuntu-rest-extra  and ubuntu-rest-extra
[13:29] <spiderman> ubunutu one's size is more 6 MB while xubuntu one's size is 3 MB...so can i install ubunutu assuming it will more codecs ?
[13:30] <spiderman> no sound was not muted by default... in fact from my speaker when i reduce the volume.. i see notification on my desktop that volute is increasing decreasing...
[13:31] <DarkEra> xubuntu-restricted-extras is the one you need when running xubuntu
[13:34] <spiderman> sound  came back.....
[13:35] <spiderman> without installing those... i removed and plugged in my usb speakers once again. thats all
[13:35] <DarkEra> first things one always has to do before installing anything else on a fresh system: first update and reboot, look if drivers need to be install for a graphics card for example and reboot when done, then install the restricted extras of the DE /distro you use and from there on you can go on install whatever you like
[13:39] <spiderman> if i try to install xubuntu extra its telling me  libav codec and libav library will be removed ..do i want to continue?
[13:46] <DarkEra> spiderman, i don't think that will hurt your system and guess it's something you pulled in with Minitube
[13:47] <DarkEra> if those are the only two that are removed i wouldn't worry too much
[14:04] <spiderman> i have a pentium-4   processor 3GH , 1 MB L2 cache, with Hyper threading model no 530J .. 2 GB RAM intel 915 chiset mother board
[14:04] <spiderman> which buntu is good for me>
[14:06] <genii-around> spiderman: xubuntu or lubuntu are probably your best options.
[14:06] <DarkEra> i thought you were running xubuntu already....?
[14:07] <genii-around> spiderman: And of course you're asking in the #xubuntu channel, so it's a bit biased ;)
[14:08] <spiderman> i had x12.04 for lontg time with 1GB RAm, it was perfectly fine , then i installed 12.10 that also fine....then i tried linux mint ...sound went off.... then i came back to x12.10   still no sound... then i tried x13.04 still there was no sound...  now sound some how came back after relugging my usb speakers in
[14:08] <spiderman> now i have upgraded to 2 GB RAM
[14:13] <DarkEra> i don't know what you want exactly to be honest. First you want help with xubuntu 13.04 that you have installed, then you ask which buntu is good for your pc and now the sound issue is brought up again. Kinda confusing to me. :)
[14:14] <DarkEra> anyhoo, i got to go anyway, have some things to do
[14:17] <xubuntu103> hello, I have a little problem... Today I installed xubuntu 13.04, but now, when I open firefox my system crash (like when memory overload). What can I do?
[14:21] <xubuntu103> ¿Hello?
[14:23] <genii-around> xub Sounds like low on swap or some other system resource
[14:24] <genii-around> Bah. No wonder tab complete failed, they left already.
[14:34] <seronis> having tried linux in a few years.  a flash drive bootup of xubuntu is responding quicker than I remember any HDD install working in the past
[14:34] <seronis> gotta say im pleased so far
[14:34] <seronis> having / havnt
[15:41] <MeXTuX> I am having this issue: http://askubuntu.com/questions/286259/ubuntu-13-04-endless-reboot even the LiveCD reboots endlessly.
[15:43] <jeward> Hi, I changed my resolution and no can no longer log in to xfce or xubuntu session.
[15:43] <jeward> I can log via twm, awesome or ssh however.
[15:44] <jeward> I get this in .xsession-errors: xfce4-session: Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server :0.
[15:47] <jeward> Trying this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1309603
[15:47] <well_laid_lawn> jeward:  see if renaming ~/.config/xfce4/ to something else lets you start xfce
[15:48] <jeward> I did what was suggested in that link and seem to be getting in now.
[15:48] <jeward> Let me try adjusting the resolution again.
[15:50] <jeward> Same thing happens.  I set the resolution and never get a prompt to keep it or not nor does the resolution change.
[15:50] <jeward> This is in a VM if that makes a difference?
[15:52] <jeward> I changed it from 800x600 to 1024x768 and it kept that resolution thought it knocked me out and I had to log in again.
[15:53] <well_laid_lawn> anything happen if you use xrandr in a terminal to set a different resolution?
[15:53] <jeward> I'm not sure how to do that.  Let me try upping it a little more.
[15:54] <jeward> Won't stay at the next higher resolution.
[15:54] <jeward> Must be some sort of device driver issue?
[15:55] <well_laid_lawn> could be. or xfce4's reslotion setter playing up
[15:56] <well_laid_lawn> xrandr -q   will show the available choices then   xrandr -s widthxheight
[15:56] <well_laid_lawn> arandr is recommended in here alot too
[15:56] <well_laid_lawn> !info arandr
[15:57] <kRush> you might try something like guest additions, if your VM has that
[15:58] <jeward> I believe guest additions are installed and up to date.  VMWare Esxi 5
[15:58] <kRush> I'm only familiar with virtualbox
[15:59] <jeward> Installing arnadr.
[15:59] <jeward> arandr
[16:01] <jeward> I think you need to know how to use xrandr to use arandr.
[16:02] <well_laid_lawn> arandr should pop a window with options
[16:02] <jeward> Yeah, nothing I understood.
[16:03] <jeward> Well, hmmm.
[16:03] <jeward> I THINK this workd on a RHEL VM.
[16:03] <jeward> Let me check.
[16:04] <jeward> Yeah, I can set RHEL Gnome 2 desktop to any size I like.
[16:05] <jeward> Strange.
[16:06] <well_laid_lawn> try  xrandr -s 1024x768
[16:07] <well_laid_lawn> if that works put the command in the startup apps in xfce
[17:03] <bilboquey> hello evrybody
[17:03] <bilboquey> i have a question
[17:04] <genii-around> !details
[17:05] <oliver2> Who can help me?I installed Ubuntu 12.10 on a server that I have and XP. The problem is that I can not connect to the internet. I get an error "wired network disconnected, you are offline" ty!
[17:07] <bazhang> oliver2, does ifconfig show eth0
[17:07] <bilboquey> first i want to know if it s exist xubuntu irc in french
[17:08] <well_laid_lawn> bilboquey:  there's an #ubuntu-fr channel
[17:08] <well_laid_lawn> !fr
[17:08] <nantou> i can hear and record sounds with 13.04, but skype output sound with a lot of static interference
[17:08] <nantou> tips please
[17:08] <well_laid_lawn> !skype
[17:09] <bilboquey> merci , thank u for ur help
[17:09] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
[17:15] <nantou> is skype ekiga compatible?
[17:15] <bazhang> oliver2, ask here
[17:15] <nantou> or the other way round
[17:36] <xubuntu456> hi everybody, first timer here and already amazed that I can be here and the system is not installed...
[17:37] <brainwash> hello there
[17:37] <xubuntu456> hi!
[17:37] <xubuntu456> finally got rid of my eternal XP
[17:38] <well_laid_lawn> xp is ten years old now ...
[17:38] <elfy> so - lots still use it
[17:39] <elfy> xubuntu456: cool - glad you've done that - try and bear in mind that they aren't and were never intended to be the same
[17:40] <xubuntu456> i know, just that my pc is really old and we are always using my gf's, so I wanted to try to turn this one into a tv box
[17:40] <xubuntu456> Ianybody have used XBMC?
[17:41] <elfy> I expect so :)
[17:42] <elfy> xubuntu456: do this - then we can chat in there instead
[17:42] <elfy> /join #xubuntu-offtopic
[17:42] <elfy> you should see another channel
[17:43] <elfy> alternativel you can quit
[18:11] <|mtx|> i use rdp to connect to my xunbutu install (12.04 i think) it worked perfectly until yesterday where now I just get a blank screen does anyone have any idea what could have changed?
[19:07] <ner0x> When I'm in a symlink directory and I open a new tab it expands the symlink to the full directory path in the title. Is there any way to stop this behavior?
[19:35] <wakejagr_work> I'm not at my xubuntu box at the moment, so I'm not looking for specifics, but I'd like to know if turning off tap-to-click can be accomplished through the graphical config/setting menus.  Searching online indicates that some (fairly simple) command-line stuff was needed pre-13.04, but I don't see any recent info.
[19:37] <baizon> wakejagr_work: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/mouse
[19:39] <wakejagr_work> baizon: Thanks.  That's exactly what I was looking for.
[19:41] <baizon> np
[19:50] <nantou> can anyone here help me with ekiga?
[19:51] <baizon> !details
[19:52] <nantou> i have configured ekiga and the sip address according to the instructions found at the wiki, but I cannot hear any sounds
[19:52] <nantou> I have ALSA, and I have been also testing http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Audio_setup.
[19:53] <nantou> see the " I cant get the sound to work! " section? Only the last command, with c 2 works
[19:53] <nantou> there is alink that states it "may" be useful and fix the problem, but for me it didnt work
[19:55] <nantou> plus, cant I listen to music with gmusicbrowser while talking via a microphone?
[21:05] <xubuntu160> hello
[21:05] <ochosi> !hi
[21:33] <edinho> hi ppl
[21:33] <llldino> What up
[21:33] <edinho> i can t install flash player on my xubuntu!
[21:35] <llldino> do sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:35] <edinho> thanx :D
[21:35] <llldino> or sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:11] <ntzrmtthihu777> anyone here had success setting up bitlbee with skype?
[23:30] <new_xu> is there any place to influence getting an updated version of a 3rd party lib added to the xubuntu repos ?
[23:45] <new_xu> is there any place to influence getting an updated version of a 3rd party lib added to the xubuntu repos ?
[23:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> !patience | new_xu
[23:47] <new_xu> not a patience issue..  half dozen new entries and 15 minutes passed
[23:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> joins/parts? I got my client set up to ignore them, so I just see two identical posts.
[23:48] <new_xu> yup
[23:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> new_xu: what lib?
[23:49] <new_xu> sfml 2.0
[23:49] <new_xu> 1.6 is in repo
[23:49] <ntzrmtthihu777> :P lol, why not compile it yourself? I did, I'll even gladly walk you through the (damn easy and straightforward) process.
[23:49] <new_xu> i just wiped my laptop today (win7) and getting dev environment set up for linux
[23:50] <new_xu> last time i used linux for more than 3 months was redhat 6  =-)
[23:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> lol, well if I can be of service lemme know.
[23:51] <new_xu> im sure i can figure out compiling the lib if i read up on it..  but if i can ALSO find a place to make sure old libs with recent udpates are 'known' it might be useful
[23:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> its pretty simple. cmake .; make; sudo checkinstall -D make install
[23:52] <new_xu> thats 'it'  ?
[23:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah. and install a few libs that cmake may or may not bitch about.
[23:53] <new_xu> hmm...  i did a preliminary google on the install and it mentions taking the precompiled .so files and has a 2 page explination of where to put them
[23:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> lessee, glew, openal, and sndfile come to mind, in particular.
[23:53] <new_xu> looked fairly basic.. wasnt THAT basic though
[23:53] <new_xu> lol
[23:54] <ntzrmtthihu777> hell you dont' even need checkinstall. I just use that so I can add/remove compiled from source programs as easily as standard apt packages
[23:55] <new_xu> oh..  #xubuntu-devl just mentioned   'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess'  on the same question
[23:55] <new_xu> guess there is a process for petitioning updates
[23:56] <ntzrmtthihu777> new_xu: sfml will likely not be added untill they get a final release, its still under dev
[23:57] <xubuntu611> My son wants to play some online games, and i know NOTHING about this ubuntu operating system, it says i need to install plug ins, what do i do to get him on a game?
[23:57] <new_xu> "http://www.sfml-dev.org/download.php"    lists 2.0 as the latest stable
[23:57] <new_xu> xubuntu611:  depends on the game.   30 of my 93 games on my steam account are available for linux
[23:58] <xubuntu611> He is just searching "cool math games"
[23:58] <xubuntu611> I have no games on here, my friend fixed this computer for me because the hard drive went out on the one i had so we put two computers together
[23:59] <xubuntu611> This is mainly for the kids,     "fun Brain " is what he wants