[00:02] <cjwatson> ogra_: heh, I just noticed that depending on PPAs in ubuntu-touch means it will never migrate from -proposed
[00:02] <cjwatson> ogra_: you might want to demote the packages in question to recommends to work around that
[00:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, heh, ok
[00:06] <ogra_> cjwatson, we will have to wait for the PPAs anyway
[00:06] <ogra_> i doubt we'll get them all migrated today unless there is a single person with upload rights to all of them
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[02:49] <Bluefoxicy> "Fragmentary revision notes in English and Mandarin Chinese, course titles matching the University of Oxford 200█-█ year Computational Biology MSc course. Many references and criticisms made relating to an apparently unreliable Ubuntu release titled Perky Polecat with features (none anomalous) not present in any copy of this software to date."
[02:50] <Bluefoxicy> ... Perky Polecat?  37.04 is Perky Polecat?
[02:51] <Bluefoxicy> sorry, 25.04 I guess
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[06:57] <zyga> hi
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[07:32] <lazka> raring PPA is broken: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138911345/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.quodlibet_2.9.99%2B5770-0~rev5770~ec16f96da206~ppa1~raring_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[07:32] <lazka> fyi
[07:33] <lazka> quantal too
[07:33] <lazka> bad timing?
[07:35]  * mlankhorst looks at excuse calendar
[07:36] <mlankhorst> from the log it looks like /home/buildd/.sbuildrc is broken, so most likely everything fails :)
[07:37] <rbasak> Has something change in schroot or mk-sbuild recently? My new saucy schroot doesn't seem to overlay my existing /tmp or ~ directories, which used to be handy for transferring stuff across the environments.
[07:41] <lazka> ok, some went through, it only fails on this build slave: https://launchpad.net/builders/wani05
[07:42] <rbasak> /etc/schroot/default/fstab does contain bind entries for /home and /tmp, but they don't seem to work now.
[07:44] <rbasak> I found a workaround - I copied the /home and /tmp lines from /etc/schroot/default/fstab to /etc/schroot/sbuild/fstab
[07:45] <lazka> lamont, your slave is broken ^
[08:32] <lazka> Can someone please disable https://launchpad.net/builders/wani05
[08:32] <lazka> It's driving me crazy that I have to rebuild until I get another builder randomly
[08:38] <christoffer> anyone here knows if "locs" is short for "lines of code"? ...just curious about the added added "s" at the end of the abbreviation
[08:41] <zyga> diwic: ping
[08:41] <diwic> zyga, hi
[08:41] <zyga> diwic: do you know how to generate a file like the one here: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/138752234/AlsaInfo.txt
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[08:42] <diwic> zyga, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/AlsaInfo
[08:42] <zyga> thanks
[08:43] <diwic> zyga, on 12.10+ you don't need to download it, we ship the script in /usr/lib/alsa-base somewhere IIRC
[08:43] <zyga> diwic: thanks, I'm trying to update the bug on precise
[08:43] <zyga> and after dpkg -S a bit I could not find anything
[08:46] <diwic> zyga, alsa-base: /usr/share/alsa-base/alsa-info.sh
[08:47] <zyga> diwic: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1174696 I've updated that bug, it seems that kernel fails to validate EDID on raring but either ignores or validates okay on precise
[08:47] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1174696 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "Regression in sound quality on 13.04 as compared to 12.04 (HDMI over DP) on Thinkpad W510" [Undecided,New]
[08:49] <diwic> zyga, I have a hard time believing EDID reads have anything to do with sound quality
[08:49] <diwic> zyga, also, Raymond has a tendency to bring up irrelevant stuff; but he's sometimes right, too.
[08:51] <zyga> diwic: well, it's an interesting difference non the less
[08:51] <zyga> diwic: I wonder if the adapter is doing some tricks, it's a bit large so it might be a active adapter, it's hard to say
[09:01] <diwic> zyga, if you do direct playback ( speaker-test -c 2 -D hdmi:x,y -t sine ) in 13.04, is there still metallic sound?
[09:02] <diwic> zyga, where x and y is probably 1 and 1 ( hdmi:1,1 )
[09:07] <zyga> diwic: let's check
[09:09] <zyga> diwic: yes
[09:09] <zyga> diwic: it's very strange
[09:11] <zyga> diwic: how can I use speaker test to play through the built-in speakers for comparison?
[09:12] <mwhudson> i think a dp->hdmi adapter more or less has to be active
[09:12] <mwhudson> maybe?
[09:12]  * mwhudson shouldn't be trying to think any more today
[09:13] <zyga> mwhudson: hi
[09:13] <zyga> mwhudson: not really, there is dual mode
[09:14] <mwhudson> zyga: oh yes, i have the dual mode dp icon on my thinkpad
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: interesting, where is it?
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: I just checked, this unit has the same icon
[09:18] <zyga> mwhudson: right above the dp port
[09:20] <mwhudson> yeah
[09:39] <diwic> zyga, speaker-test -D plughw:MID -c 2 -t sine
[09:40] <diwic> zyga, and for hdmi: speaker-test -D hdmi:NVidia,1 -c 2 -t sine
[09:45] <zyga> thanks
[09:46] <diwic> zyga, and through pulseaudio: speaker-test -D pulse -c 2 -t sine
[09:46] <zyga> thanks that works
[09:46] <diwic> zyga, you can also try -t wav or leave it out if you want white noise. Not sure which one's best for testing metallic sounds.
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: noise is very different on left vs right speaker
[09:47] <diwic> zyga, are you talking HDMI now or analog output?
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: analog
[09:47] <zyga> diwic: btw, the nvidia part does not work
[09:47] <diwic> zyga, so you're having audio distortions on analog audio now?
[09:48] <zyga> diwic: well, no, it's just different, the wav playback is really okay
[09:48] <zyga> diwic: I would assume noise to sound the same
[09:49] <zyga> diwic: if you want to jump to a hangout and listen for yourself just say so
[09:50] <zyga> huh
[09:50] <zyga> diwic: hdmi just went silent
[09:50] <diwic> zyga, well, some notebooks don't put too much quality into their speakers; or things around them resonate, etc...so it's not unusual for the left and right speakers to sound slightly different, unfortunately
[09:50] <zyga> ah
[09:50] <zyga> ok
[09:51] <zyga> I was playing sine, it was very corrupted, then went silent, detaching and re-attaching the cable made it work again though so no burned out speakers :)
[09:51] <diwic> zyga, make sure you wait 5-10 seconds between trying with pulse and without
[09:51] <zyga> hrw: ^^ ;-)
[09:51] <zyga> diwic: pulse is the same
[09:52] <diwic> zyga, or one of them might fail with -EBUSY
[09:52] <zyga> right
[09:52]  * zyga recalls esd years ago ;)
[10:11] <Daviey> cjwatson: Hey, would you have expected "base-installer/kernel/altmeta string virtual" to install the linux-virtual kernel in precise?
[10:32] <anonymous_> Opinions: Is Quickly worth learning? I've never used Python and GTK together. I've seen the developer.ubuntu site say all three are recommended. I've never heard Quickly before today, so is it just promoting a new way forward??
[10:33] <vibhav> anonymous_: I find qucikly easy to use
[10:33] <vibhav> Though it is a matter of opinion
[10:34] <vibhav> anonymous_: Also, if you any other questions on quickly, try #ubuntu-app-devel
[10:38] <anonymous_> vibhav: Thanks, I thought I posted it in that channel; not good with mornings sorry :)
[10:39] <vibhav> never mind
[10:57] <albttashi> hi
[10:59] <albttashi> want start develop on Ubuntu , any guideline
[10:59] <albttashi> whats preferred  languages on ubuntu ?
[11:00] <ion> The distro isn’t relevant. Any language you prefer.
[11:03] <sladen> albttashi: what do you want *to make* ?
[11:04] <albttashi> ion, what's language is better ? which had good ide in ubuntu
[11:05] <albttashi> salden: for now I want to learn , then I wanna make small desktop or web app
[11:05] <albttashi> what about java ??
[11:09] <hulu> helo
[11:10] <hulu> who can help me with custom livecd
[11:10] <hulu> i want to change /etc/skel,but the livecd create default user without /etc/skel
[11:10] <hulu> who can help me
[11:12] <apachelogger> hulu: you'll want to use casper for that
[11:13] <hulu> apachelogger: how to do
[11:13] <apachelogger> add a script
[11:13] <hulu> apachelogger: where to add
[11:13] <apachelogger> I don't know
[11:13] <apachelogger> dpkg -L casper might help
[11:14] <hulu> apachelogger: let's try
[11:14] <apachelogger> just have a look for 25add-user or somesuch file, it is the one that actually adds the user
[11:14] <apachelogger> so in the same folder you want to have 9000add-additional-plunder for example
[11:15] <hulu> apachelogger: why 12.10 needn't
[11:39] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there?
[11:53] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there
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[11:58] <hulu> who can help me
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[12:36] <tkamppeter> bryce, ^^
[12:36] <tkamppeter> sorry, ignore this, typo
[12:43] <mzaza> I got this error while trying to decrept message using gpg gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[12:44] <rbasak> Is there a tool that will easily verify for me that all my build-depends and depends are in main? Right now I'm manually checking using rmadison.
[12:46] <lamont> apt-get --print-uris crossed with apt-cache, I expect?
[12:47] <geser> rbasak: 404main - check if all build dependencies of a package are in main (in ubuntu-dev-tools)
[12:49] <hulu> who can help me on livecd
[12:49] <rbasak> geser: thanks, that looks promising! But it looks like it operates out of the archive, rather than out of my package source tree. This is for a merge from Debian where some dependencies have been not in main in the past. I'd like to make sure I've covered everything before sponsorshipupload.
[12:51] <geser> rbasak: not sure if "check-mir" helps you there. An other option is to try to build it a pbuilder/sbuild with only main enabled
[12:57] <rbasak> geser: check-mir is exactly what I wanted. Thanks! I was hoping not to have to fiddle with my schroots :)
[12:58] <OdyX> tkamppeter: your cups patch for the USB backend apparently make the cups build more sensitive to USB backends presence, see  https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=cups&suite=experimental
[13:08] <hulu> apachelogger: are you there?
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[13:19] <tkamppeter> OdyX, before, on a system without USB (or with USB turned off in the BIOS) the USB backend crashed, and so exited with some error status and a crash message in syslog, now the backend exits gracefully. Or is the problem that it issues a warning in error_log?
[13:24] <mzaza> I have followed the Ubuntu beginners developer guid and while I was creating a gpg key I got a email to verify my key which I should decrypt however I get that error while trying to decrepy.
[13:24] <mzaza> gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[13:24] <mzaza> gpg: decrypt_message failed: eof
[13:26] <mzaza> I have an error while I try to gpg --list-key
[13:28] <mzaza> I fixed the error when I try to list keys but I still get the error explained above
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[15:01] <OdyX> tkamppeter: well, it issues a warning in the error_log, which is unexpected by the test-suite, which should then be amended. :)
[15:01] <OdyX> tkamppeter: as you maybe saw, I amended your "depends on avahi-daemon" change to have that only be true in Ubuntu.
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[15:11] <mzaza> If I can program in C++ but still a newbie, could I start by fixing bugs in Unity. Or do you recommend anything else?
[15:13] <mzaza> I tried reading the guides in the Ubuntu wiki but after reading each page I feel more lost. I did setup my enviroment and installed necessary tools. And got little bit familiar with getting the code of packages.
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[15:18] <chilicuil> mzaza: I'd start with bitesize bugs, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Bitesize , I've never worked with unity, though, so I don't really know how hard they are
[15:18] <tkamppeter> OdyX, perhaps we simply remove the warning from the patch, to make the number of warnings in the test run not dependent of the presence of USB support in the build system?
[15:18] <mzaza> chilicuil: What about harvest?
[15:19] <OdyX> tkamppeter: that or "also" patch the test-suite to ignore those, which is probably better.
[15:19] <chilicuil> mzaza: yeah, harvest should be able to provide some easy to fix bugs
[15:19] <OdyX> tkamppeter: also, DEP-3 headers to your patch would be greate
[15:21] <mzaza> chilicuil: I was looking for any project written in C++, that's why I choose Unity.
[15:37] <ev> bdmurray, mpt: https://errors.staging.ubuntu.com/ - we're getting closer (prodstack)
[15:46] <mpt> ev, 13.10 in the legend, but "No Data Available". Is that what I'm supposed to be seeing?
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[15:49] <ev> mpt: there's only a single error report in there
[15:49] <ev> it's using a fresh cassandra database
[15:49] <ev> mpt: assuming you're talking about errors.staging.u.c
[15:51] <mpt> I see
[16:15] <pitti> psusi: hey Phillip
[16:16] <pitti> psusi: do you plan to merge util-linux, or shall I steal this from you?
[16:16] <pitti> I need to make a change to it
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[16:49] <mitya57> hi doko, can you please comment on debian bug 675008?
[16:49] <ubottu> Debian bug 675008 in bash "bash: should handle /etc/bashrc.d (or similar) for non-login interactive shell" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/675008
[16:49] <mitya57> this is blocking new gnome-terminal 3.8
[16:49] <mitya57> see gnome bug 697475 for the background
[16:49] <ubottu> Gnome bug 697475 in general "New tab is not opened in same directory as previous tab" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697475
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[17:00] <bdmurray> mterry: there is an issue with update-manager -c -d not showing saucy however do-release-upgrade -d works.  I haven't quite found the issue yet.
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[17:08] <psusi> pitti: sorry, what?
[17:09] <pitti> psusi: you are TIL, so your name appears on merges.u.c.
[17:09] <pitti> but I just noticed that I don't have to change it after all, so nevermind
[17:14] <psusi> TIL?
[17:14] <Laney> touched it last
[17:15] <bdmurray> mterry: the same thing may be true for Q to R see bug 1174242
[17:15] <ubottu> bug 1174242 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu) "Update Manager doesn't let me upgrade from 12.04 to 13.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174242
[17:16] <mterry> bdmurray, I thought that was a bug we already fixed?
[17:17] <bdmurray> mterry: there is no message shown about a new release being available its not the import error
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[17:29] <blitzkrieg3> does anyone have some spare time to sponsor bug 8877446?
[17:29] <ubottu> Error: Launchpad bug 8877446 could not be found
[17:30] <blitzkrieg3> sorry ubottu
[17:30] <blitzkrieg3> bug 887446
[17:30] <ubottu> bug 887446 in mtools (Ubuntu) "mlabel: renaming USB stick appends "nA" to name" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/887446
[17:32] <mterry> bdmurray, I can look into this
[17:32] <bdmurray> mterry: that'd be great, thanks!
[17:34] <cjwatson> Daviey: All other things being equal, yes, I think so.  However there are some overrides that might be looked at first, so if it's going wrong I'd need to see a full log.
[17:56] <doko> apw, ogasawara: how do I enable a verbose kernel build? and why isn't this the default? I think we had this discussion in the past ...
[18:04] <ogra_> cjwatson, hnmm, for-project doesnt really like ubuntu-touch, is there a way to directly trigger the livefs build without involving for-project in the new cdimage world ?
[18:07] <slangasek> ogra_: you should be able to just set PROJECT=$foo cron.daily-$which $opts
[18:07] <ogra_> ah, cool
[18:07] <ogra_> trying
[18:07] <infinity> doko: V=1
[18:08] <apw> what he said
[18:09] <slangasek> apw: fwiw, +1 for doko to have V=1 set for the kernel builds by default
[18:10] <slangasek> apw: always better for debugging to see exactly what commands were running on the buildd at the time it went wrong...
[18:11] <mitya57> doko: any comment on my message? resolving that is listed in the gnome-3.8 blueprint ...
[18:12] <doko> mitya57, didn't look at it yet
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[18:13] <mitya57> doko: so please comment there when you get to it, thanks!
[18:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, so my build fails on super-friends  and the sdk PPA ... were these the two you said that could go ?
[18:20] <ogra_> (funnily it doesnt fail in my chroot)
[18:23] <mitya57> shadeslayer: I've tried to look at okular abi change, it doesn't exist in clean raring but exists on clean saucy (i.e. without my poppler)
[18:23] <shadeslayer> :S
[18:23] <shadeslayer> that's quite odd
[18:23] <shadeslayer> mayeb it's because of gcc?
[18:23] <mitya57> yes, I think so
[18:24] <shadeslayer> try building it on Raring + gcc 4.8 ?
[18:24] <mitya57> will try now
[18:24] <shadeslayer> ack, and thanks for taking care of that :)
[18:26] <shadeslayer> mitya57: and it should be trivial enough to bump the ABI using X-Debian-ABI
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[18:26] <mitya57> I still want to know what caused it :)
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[18:37] <cjwatson> ogra_: It might take a whole two minutes to add ubuntu-touch support to cdimage.project :)
[18:37] <ogra_> heh
[18:37] <ogra_> well, it worked with setting PROJECT
[18:37] <cjwatson> Feel free
[18:38] <ogra_> yeah, will do ... i have to wait for a new livecd-rootfs anyway
[18:41] <shadeslayer> mitya57_: :)
[18:46] <ogra_> cjwatson, adding it to lib/cdimage/project.py and default-arches should be enough, right ?
[18:48] <cjwatson> ogra_: Yes.  Note that ubuntu-touch-preview is already there though
[18:48] <ogra_> yeah, just a copy paste job :)
[18:48] <cjwatson> You should grep for all existing references to ubuntu-touch-preview
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[19:17] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/CDImageSetup seems pretty outdated, how /where do i push/pull nowadays ?
[19:19] <ogra_> bfiller, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/saucy/ubuntu-touch/
[19:20] <mitya57_> shadeslayer: raring+4.8 builds fine
[19:20] <ogra_> bfiller, https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.saucy
[19:20] <cjwatson> ogra_: I forgot about that page; I'll update
[19:20] <ogra_> cjwatson, thx
[19:20] <cjwatson> ogra_: I did send you personal e-mail about it :P
[19:20] <ogra_> i actually havent pushed since you redesigned the setup ...
[19:20] <ogra_> oops !
[19:21] <seb128> ev, do you know what could make whoopsie not report issues to the server? chrisccoulson's issues seem to go only to launchpad
[19:22] <seb128> they don't show up on whoopsie's page and he only has .upload files (not .uploaded ones)
[19:22] <seb128> ev, the config in /etc/default/whoopsie has = true
[19:22] <ahoneybun> ogra_: do you have new images of Kubuntu Active?
[19:22] <ogra_> ahoneybun, only the ones that we built for you recently
[19:22] <ev> seb128: he could try running it in foreground mode: sudo stop whoopsie; sudo CRASH_DB_URL=https://daisy.ubuntu.com whoopsie -f
[19:23] <cjwatson> ogra_: updated now, but see "Subject: ubuntu-cdimage private branch decommissioned" from me on Mon, 18 Mar 2013 15:41:18 +0000
[19:23] <ev> seb128: let me know if you want me to come over and investigate some time after lunch
[19:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, thanks
[19:23] <ahoneybun> ogra_:  in the ones for Feb?
[19:24] <seb128> ev, ok, thanks
[19:24] <ogra_> ahoneybun, nope, the onse tou asked for a few days ago
[19:24] <seb128> ev, is whoopsie having any log on disk?
[19:24] <ogra_> *the ones you
[19:24] <ahoneybun> ogra_: I don't see them up
[19:25] <ogra_> ahoneybun, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-active/raring/daily-preinstalled/... iirc cjwatson pointed you to it back then
[19:25] <ev> seb128: not by default, no
[19:25] <ahoneybun> Oh my bad I must have been away
[19:25] <ahoneybun> ogra_: thanks!
[19:25] <ogra_> :)
[19:26] <seb128> ev, ok
[19:26] <ev> other than the upstart job log /var/log/upstart/whoopsie*
[19:26] <ahoneybun> ogra_: now for the debugging, I could not get the last ones to work right on my n7
[19:28] <seb128> ev, files got uploaded after running that command by hand, weir
[19:28] <ev> very strange
[19:28] <ev> I wonder if whoopsie wasn't running?
[19:28] <ev> and so that stop was a no-op
[19:29] <seb128> ev, it was running, we checked that first
[19:29] <seb128> those logs just have one line about the lock file
[19:29] <seb128> weird
[19:30] <ev> wow, yeah, very strange
[19:30] <seb128> yeah
[19:31] <seb128> ev, ok, going for lunch, thanks
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[20:27] <ahoneybun> ogra_: your awesome downloading them now
[20:55] <mzaza> If I want to discuss development related issues to Unity Next, which channel should I go to?
[20:57] <ogra_> mzaza, try #ubuntu-unity
[20:57] <mzaza> ogra_: thanks
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[21:20] <Daviey> cjwatson: All i have is, knowing it failed - and produced, http://bit.ly/ZCA8LB . I'll dig out a log, I just wanted to check that was the expected method.
[21:22] <cjwatson> Daviey: according to my memory anyway :)
[21:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: hey, so I'm doing the merge on kexec-tools and am confused about why we're calling update-grub here... because I don't see anything that changes the grub config
[21:27] <Daviey> cjwatson: With -virtual going away, not sure how much it matters anymore.
[21:27] <slangasek> cjwatson: can you spot something I'm missing?
[21:30] <cjwatson> slangasek: grub2/util/grub.d/10_linux.in:92:if [ -x "/usr/bin/makedumpfile" ] && [ -x "/sbin/kexec" ]; then
[21:31] <cjwatson> slangasek: that is, update-grub behaves differently all by itself depending on whether kexec is installed
[21:32] <slangasek> cjwatson: aha, thanks
[21:33] <slangasek> cjwatson: should that logic arguably be shipped in kexec-tools itself?
[21:33] <slangasek> (not that I'm going to take on refactoring this right now)
[21:33] <slangasek> cjwatson: slightly related, kexec-tools is calling 'dpkg-trigger update-initramfs'... where I think the right interface nowadays is 'update-initramfs -u', no?
[21:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: aaaarguably
[21:36] <slangasek> hmmmm
[21:36] <slangasek> :)
[21:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: I think that probably predated update-initramfs doing its self-triggering trick, yeah
[21:36]  * slangasek nods
[21:37] <cjwatson> I certainly wouldn't object to dropping the grub2 patch that does the kexec crashkernel thing if it were found to be possible to do it in kexec-tools instead
[21:40] <slangasek> cjwatson: well, if I got this upstreamed to Debian in the kexec-tools side (with e.g. the makedumpfile package dep), it seems like it could be dropped from grub2
[21:41] <cjwatson> slangasek: Yep, sounds likely
[21:58] <ev> bdmurray, pitti: http://people.canonical.com/~evand/tmp/024acb70-836a-11e2-9a69-e4115b0f8a4a.crash
[22:05] <mterry> bdmurray, I can't reproduce that update-manager R->S bug
[22:06] <mterry> bdmurray, I should be running "update-manager -c -d" ?
[22:10] <bdmurray> mterry: yes, or update-manager -d
[22:10] <mterry> bdmurray, (yah, -c doesn't seem relevant anymore)
[22:10] <mterry> bdmurray, I do that and I get prompted to upgrade
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, (in R)
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, will try 12.10 next, which was OP's problem
[22:11] <bdmurray> mterry: i was able to recreate it from R to S
[22:11] <mterry> bdmurray, that's why I've come to you  :)  what magic is this?
[22:12] <bdmurray> mterry: well, I was going to try again but update-manager tells me I have to reboot ;-)
[22:26] <ogra_> cjwatson, ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers-daily.list.chroot
[22:27] <ogra_> argh
[22:27] <ogra_> cjwatson, http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-touch-coreapps-drivers/daily/ubuntu
[22:28] <cjwatson> ogra_: that doesn't contain any of the packages being complained about in the log
[22:29] <ogra_> yeah
[22:29] <cjwatson> so, where's camera-app meant to come from?
[22:29] <bdmurray> mterry: after rebooting I see the upgrade message. Does your system need to be up to date before the message appears?
[22:29] <mterry> bdmurray, yes
[22:31] <bdmurray> ah, that must be a new feature.  thanks for looking into it
[22:31] <ogra_> cjwatson, just FYI http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-unity/daily-build-next/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/binary-armhf/Packages
[22:32] <ogra_> (not really any content in there)
[22:35] <cjwatson> ogra_: perhaps somebody forgot to copy with binaries
[22:35] <ogra_> cjwatson, right
[22:35] <cjwatson> it might be possible to re-copy - I forget
[22:36] <ogra_> yeah, i'll talk to didrocks
[22:36] <ogra_> oh, seems i can even do that myself
[22:37] <didrocks> ogra_: cjwatson: IIRC, I copied this morning this arch: all
[22:37] <ogra_> didrocks, well, i want to build images from it :)
[22:37] <didrocks> binary only
[22:37] <ogra_> so i need a little bit more than a placeholder
[22:37] <ogra_> i.e. all armhf
[22:37] <didrocks> ogra_: hum, sergiusens asked me to only copy one package "whatever" :)
[22:38] <ogra_> yeah
[22:38] <ogra_> i can do it myself apparently
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, you should be in the team :)
[22:38] <ogra_> just want to know if i could break any of your automation doing it
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: no no, that's fine
[22:38] <ogra_> k
[22:38] <didrocks> ogra_: take libhybris maybe?
[22:39] <ogra_> i want them all ... :)
[22:39] <ogra_> (well, all armhf)
[22:39] <didrocks> ogra_: hum? it wasn't what was told to me
[22:39] <didrocks> ogra_: ok, copy everything, it will be overriden when we activate it
[22:40] <ogra_> thats fine
[22:40] <ogra_> i just want to make sure the image building in saucy workss ... and for that i need the packages indeed :)
[22:40] <ogra_> no worries
[22:40] <didrocks> good luck! ;)