[07:39] <diplo> Morning all
[08:20] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:21] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Play Your Ukulele Day! :-D
[08:24] <MooDoo> When I'm cleaning windows....
[09:02] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:03] <MooDoo> morning
[09:03] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:58] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:00] <brobostigon> morning davmor2
[10:00] <MooDoo> morning davmor2
[10:01] <davmor2> morning brobostigon MooDoo
[11:00] <mungbean> morning
[11:01] <mungbean> looks nice again outside
[11:01] <brobostigon> afternoonings mungbean
[11:02] <brobostigon> prediction for the local elections today, the lib-con vote will decline, badly.
[11:05] <mungbean> there's elections?
[11:06] <brobostigon> yes.
[11:06] <Myrtti> in some places
[11:06] <mungbean> council ones outside london i guess?
[11:08] <brobostigon> council and a by-election in south shields.
[11:08] <brobostigon> yes.
[11:09] <MooDoo> yes we've got elections in nottingham as well
[11:09]  * brobostigon has already done his vote.
[11:10] <mungbean> councils =/= parliament though
[11:10] <MooDoo> i'm doing mine tonight
[11:10] <mungbean> people protest vote and ruin their local area
[11:10] <brobostigon> MooDoo: i think 22:00 is closing for most
[11:11] <Myrtti> I just find British elections highly confusing, too little to choose from
[11:12] <brobostigon> three big parties, a splattering of independents, and then a few tiny parties like, monster raving loony.
[11:13] <mungbean> and the whip ensures MPs generally toe the line even if they disagree
[11:13] <MooDoo> brobostigon: yes I finish at 5:30 so i'll be ok
[11:13] <brobostigon> MooDoo: thats why, i have noticed, there are tons of independents.
[11:13] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, :)
[11:13] <brobostigon> mungbean: thats why, i have noticed, there are tons of independents.
[11:13] <brobostigon> sorry tab fail, on the first one,
[11:14] <MooDoo> my friend is trying to be elected.
[11:14] <brobostigon> good luck to him.
[11:14] <mungbean> unless he's a jerk , then .. :P
[11:15] <mungbean> an independent or party drone MooDoo ?
[11:15] <brobostigon> monster raving loony candidate?
[11:20] <MooDoo> mungbean: conservative
[11:20] <brobostigon> more luck needed, that being the case.
[11:44]  * brobostigon shakes his fist, at unannounced silent calls and not so silent calls, 
[11:47] <brobostigon> also arent they distinctly illegal, unless you have a preior relationship with said company, ?
[12:49] <mungbean> Talktalk got done for doing it to their own cystomers
[12:50] <brobostigon> yes, i heard about that, they got fined twice, if i remember.
[12:51] <mungbean> redhat's logo is called shadowman. i find that creepy
[13:31] <BigRedS> it's certainly not as happy-clappy as "circle of friends"
[14:05] <amayer> have there been any updates to 13.04 since it was released?
[14:07] <andylockran> Well my #nexus4 arriced today
[14:07] <brobostigon> :)
[14:09] <diddledan__> flashed it with ubuntu touch yet?
[14:10] <diddledan__> :-p
[14:16] <brobostigon> lol, i just checked my long-not-updated blog, brobostigon.wordpress.com which i havent updated in atleast a year, and this year 28 people have looked at it, amazing.
[14:16] <diddledan__> 28 real people?!
[14:16] <brobostigon> seems so.
[14:17] <diddledan__> you're more popular than me.. I don't think I even know that many people :-p
[14:17] <jussi> andylockran: as did mine!
[14:17] <brobostigon> i last updated it on 27/03/2011, so over two years. not one.
[14:18] <diddledan__> I dread to think how long I've let my site dwindle
[14:19] <diddledan__> although I did add a couple of password-protected portfolio items yesterday - first time I've looked at the site in ages
[14:55] <AlanBell> bug 1131646 is very annoying
[15:06] <diddledan__> sorry about the noise
[15:07] <diddledan__> was trying to work out emacs and erc. I decided that emacs keybindings are evil
[15:07] <diplo> Guys, easiest way to check a web hosting company has an outgoing port blocked ?
[15:07] <BigRedS> AlanBell: yeah, the alt-tab thing isn't quite insane any more, but it's still fairly broken
[15:07] <diplo> telnet to the ip / port of the service you are trying to connect to ?
[15:07] <diplo> Mine is SOAP related, running on 8733
[15:08] <BigRedS> yeah, and also from a host where you know it's open, to demonstrate that it's not the remote host blocking it
[15:12] <diplo> ok yeah tried that
[15:12] <diplo> ta
[15:13] <AlanBell> BigRedS: yeah, it is almost back to as good as it was when it was a window switcher
[15:13] <BigRedS> I can't think of a way for a nonprivileged user to determine where the block happens
[15:14] <BigRedS> AlanBell: but I still frequently alt-tab to the desktop by mistake
[15:14] <AlanBell> I am annoyed that the gnome-shell implementation of the same thing feels much more logical
[15:14] <BigRedS> Generally, gnome-shell seems to be done better than unity
[15:14] <BigRedS> especially when it's not running in Ubuntu
[15:14] <ali1234> bug 1174054
[15:14] <AlanBell> up and down cursors actually do the same kind of thing, but they *look* like they are going to do it
[15:15] <BigRedS> yeah, I can't remember what the unity one looks like now, but the gnome one made instant sense to me
[15:16] <czajkowski>  BigRedS any idea where else we should promote http://hackntalkjune.eventbrite.com/ to ?
[15:16] <czajkowski> hate spamming lists
[15:16] <AlanBell> unity displays the window thumbnails in a 2d collection for the app concerned, but you can't navigate up and down, just left and right, and you can't start by going right
[15:16] <czajkowski> but be nice to let others know about it
[15:19] <AlanBell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/alttab.png
[15:19] <AlanBell> looks like that
[15:23] <BigRedS> czajkowski: gllug? Not sure otherwise. I'll mention it at nerdy events I find myself at
[15:23] <BigRedS> Though that sort-of requires that I pull my finger out and start going to more of them
[15:23] <BigRedS> gllug's probably quiet enough that they'd appreciate the traffic :)
[15:24] <czajkowski> BigRedS: yu on the list
[15:26] <BigRedS> yeah, if you're not I'm happy to post to it
[15:26] <BigRedS> I don't think I've mailed it this decade, though :)
[15:27] <czajkowski> BigRedS: yes that would be great please
[15:27] <czajkowski> thank you
[15:28] <czajkowski> might let you off giving a talk now :p
[15:28] <BigRedS> haha, I don't do interesting things, I've nothing to talk about :)
[15:29] <BigRedS> Have you mailed any other lists? I just tried to plagiarise your ubuntu-uk post but there doesn't seem to be one
[15:30] <BigRedS> You've not even blogged yet! Tsk tsk. http://hackntalk.org/ :)
[15:37] <mungbean> anyone on centos6 can give me a centos extras repo file please?
[15:39] <MooDoo> mungbean: hang on
[15:41] <MooDoo> mungbean: damn where is it?
[15:41] <neuro>  /etc/yum/yaddayadda?
[15:43] <MooDoo> mungbean: only got these in yum.repos.d CentOS-Base.repo       CentOS-Media.repo  epel.repo
[15:43] <MooDoo> CentOS-Debuginfo.repo  CentOS-Vault.repo  epel-testing.repo
[15:44] <neuro> mungbean: this what you're after? https://gist.github.com/evilneuro/5503129
[15:44] <MooDoo> lol just pasted him that :)
[15:44] <neuro> haha
[15:44] <MooDoo> thats for 5 though not 6 :)
[15:45] <neuro> yeah, i only have immediate access to 5.9 hosts
[15:45] <MooDoo> not that there is much difference
[15:45] <neuro> (hosts that i'm trying desperately to burn off the face off the earth and replace with 12.04.2)
[15:45] <MooDoo> lol
[15:45] <BigRedS> neuro: haha, we're going the other way
[15:46] <neuro> shame :)
[15:46] <BigRedS> well, 10.10 to 6.x
[15:46] <neuro> ooh, github are doing drinkies in edinburgh next friday
[15:56] <mungbean> anyone have issues rebooting new poweredge servers running linux?
[15:57] <mungbean> gets stuck at blank screen when you would expect clean shutdown and POST
[15:57] <mungbean> R815
[16:19] <popey> morning
[16:19] <diddledan__> allo popey
[16:19] <diddledan__> ooh don't I sound the cockney geezer with my "allo"?!
[16:20] <diddledan__> no offence intended to real cockneys, obviously
[16:35] <diddledan__> bbl, going home
[16:48] <davmor2> morning popey how is SF?
[16:49] <popey> warm
[17:19] <diddledan_> and back
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[17:55] <popey>  /89
[17:55] <popey> bah!
[18:45] <DJones> Has anybody come across an app appearing in the unity bar with a ? as the icon, hovering over the icon gives it the name "exe", right clicking shows a blank top line with lock to launcher & quit below it.  Running Top and clicking on the icon doesn't appear to do anything, nothing unusual jumps to the top of running apps, can't quit/close it down
[19:01] <dwatkins> DJones: perhaps it's a storage device?
[19:02] <DJones> dwatkins: I can't see that, I haven't plugged any devices in
[19:02] <dwatkins> hmm, no idea then
[19:22] <shauno> seems the installer and the booted system enumerate my eth0/1 ports back to front.  is that normal?
[19:36] <dwatkins> perhaps the drivers loaded in the opposite order
[19:39] <shauno> should be the same driver, they're identical (onboard)
[19:44] <shauno> just trying to figure out the logic because it has my slightly worried that they might renumber after a reboot
[20:20] <redtape> OT | Not sure if anyone's mentioned it , but it looks as though Ubuntu TV is now an unknown "wildcard" according to Mark .. @4:30 in the vidz [ http://bit.ly/1336VKw ] Note this has been shared over 25 times already, off UWNewsletter .. the 'baggs' are signs to me that the teams are in overdrive as far as getting it to manufacturers. Wonder if they will  "make a baggs of it". out.
[20:28] <popey> "baggs"?
[20:33] <mungbean> confused
[20:34] <mungbean> what the heck is wrong with iplayer. its a lottery whether you will get the programme you want
[20:35] <diddledan> doesn't that sum up british telly in general? :-p
[20:35] <popey> worked for me last night when i grabbed doctor who
[20:35] <diddledan> even if the programme is the same as advertised, it probably isn't what you "wanted" it to be
[20:36] <mungbean> man lab only showing 1 episode
[20:36] <mungbean> stuff used to be around for weeks
[20:36] <diddledan> grr man
[20:36] <mungbean> and its episode 1
[20:36] <mungbean> ep5 was on last week
[20:36] <mungbean> i videod ep1 and it had the man making faces in the corner
[20:37] <popey> I see 5 of them
[20:37] <mungbean> link pls?
[20:37] <mungbean> i see "watch now" 24 minutes left
[20:37] <popey> no, in get_iplayer
[20:37] <diddledan> that man in the corner is in quite a lot of demand - he seems to be on everything that's shown late at night. I donno how he remembers his lines for so many different shows
[20:38] <mungbean> check get_
[20:39] <popey> \o/ Nexus 4 arrived
[20:39] <mungbean> popey , i see 1 in get_iplayer?
[20:39] <diddledan> woot
[20:39] <Laney> *smash*
[20:39] <mungbean> whic ids?
[20:39] <popey> hah
[20:40] <diddledan> popey, did you flash it with fondle-buntu, yet? :-p
[20:40] <popey> its downloading episode 1 now
[20:40] <popey> diddledan: doing it now
[20:40] <diddledan> \o/
[20:40] <shauno> interesting, get_iplayer is also showing me only ep1 of 'man lab'
[20:41] <mungbean> popey is on drugs?
[20:41] <shauno> you're probably stil crazy, but at least it isn't solitary confinement
[20:41] <popey> -rw-rw-r--  1 alan alan 7.4M May  2 21:39 James_Mays_Man_Lab_Series_3_-_Episode_1_b01rmhlc_default.partial.mp4.flv
[20:41] <popey> on its way
[20:41] <mungbean> ep1 is the only one i can see
[20:42] <diddledan> I suppose I'm gonna have to go hunt down get_iplayer now to tesst myself?!
[20:42] <mungbean> < popey> I see 5 of them
[20:42] <diddledan> oh how friendly, it's in the repos
[20:43] <mungbean> for a while iplayer was the equivalnet of "i'll photoshop it later"
[20:43] <mungbean> if you forgot to record a programme
[20:43] <mungbean> but now its useless
[20:43] <mungbean> ep5 FIRST BROADCAST: 25 Apr 2013
[20:44] <shauno> it might actually be the data coming out of the beeb that's at fault
[20:44] <shauno> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0105yvp   says latest episode is series 3, ep1
[20:44] <mungbean> i think ep1 was repeated so is available again
[20:44] <diddledan> I see 5 eps
[20:44] <mungbean> what is this witchcraft?
[20:44] <mungbean> what search term?
[20:45] <diddledan> $ get-iplayer "man lab"
[20:45] <mungbean> :(
[20:45] <mungbean> gonna try from my work pc
[20:45] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5627162/
[20:46] <mungbean> hey!!!
[20:46] <mungbean> 5 eps from my work machine
[20:46] <popey> get_iplayer caches
[20:46] <shauno> different versions if get_iplayer?
[20:46] <mungbean> same ver
[20:47] <diddledan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5627165/ I'm running 2.82, shauno you're running 2.66 - might be a potential reason
[20:47] <shauno> yeah, this machine is on LTS
[20:47] <mungbean> i'm on 2.82 on both
[20:48] <shauno> I don't do anything exciting with something I can't walk to :)
[20:48] <diddledan> vps?
[20:48] <shauno> yup
[20:49] <shauno> removed ~/.get_iplayer/*cache, same result
[20:49] <mungbean> WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid with version(s): default (audiodescribed are available)
[20:50] <mungbean> cannot download it?
[20:50] <popey> right, so it downloaded the first one but wont download any more
[20:50] <mungbean> scummers
[20:51] <diddledan> I can't download any of them, not even the first one
[20:51] <mungbean> nor me anymore
[20:51] <popey> -rw-rw-r--  1 alan alan 338M May  2 21:48 James_Mays_Man_Lab_Series_3_-_Episode_1_b01rmhlc_default.mp4
[20:51] <popey> just finished
[20:51] <popey> get_iplayer -g "man lab"  --vmode=flashhd,flashvhigh,flashhigh
[20:51] <mungbean> which command please popey
[20:51] <popey> thats what I did
[20:52] <mungbean> WARNING: No programmes are available for this pid
[20:52] <mungbean> i think the timer on ep1 was running down and about to expire
[20:52] <mungbean> looks like just did
[20:53] <mungbean> its on youtube , panic over
[20:53] <dwatkins> Under Jobs, Ive worked as the head of product design.
[20:53] <mungbean> thanks for confirming that bbc are scummers
[20:54] <mungbean> i only had an hour before the next feed and spent 20 mins fannying
[20:54] <diddledan> better that than the reverse :-p
[20:56] <mungbean> now i've got all your attention - a poweredge server refuses to reboot without the finger - centos6.4
[20:56] <mungbean> any idea?
[20:57] <mungbean> bios version up to speed
[20:57] <diddledan> ..|..
[20:58] <diddledan> "unscrew the cap and push off"
[21:02] <mungbean> everyones gone quiet as they are now watching manlab
[21:04] <mungbean> i notice they follow the mythbusters format of "lets see how we get on later in the show"
[21:17] <diddledan> time for bed
[21:19] <dwatkins> "Here's one I prepared earlier"
[21:19] <shauno> well, that was possibly the most disgusting command I've ever run.  for each .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives, apt-get --purge -y ${file/_*/}
[21:20] <mungbean> eww
[21:20] <bigcalm> Evening peeps :)
[21:20] <mungbean> still waiting for system snapshots due to btfrs
[21:21] <shauno> that would come in quite handy right now
[21:21] <mungbean> having a punchable face (ie. nigel farage) surely can't help in politics
[21:22] <dwatkins> next time I install an OS, it'll just be cirtual, so I can use snapshots
[21:22] <dwatkins> *virtual
[21:23] <shauno> that's what I'm aiming for.  but this is the box that's to host them
[21:23] <shauno> despite afore-mentioned hosing.  it'll get a clean slate once I've figured out why the setup I built in a VM isn't working in hardware
[21:24] <mungbean> https://www.suse.com/communities/conversations/introduction-system-rollbacks-btrfs-and-snapper-sles-11-sp2/
[21:24] <shauno> this openstack stuff is still confusing the life out of me, but it looks like our best bet until vmware stop demanding windows for all their management tools
[21:25] <mungbean> vmware are making progress
[21:26] <mungbean> sooner or later vsphere will be a virtual appliance without need for win client
[21:29] <directhex> dwatkins, you can do snapshots without it being virtual, e.g. with lvm
[21:30] <shauno> well that's notable.  if your preseed wants to set a mysql password, and you have a pre-existing db on disk, it just stops dead.  ^C didn't break either.  had to ssh in and kill mysqld
[21:34] <dwatkins> directhex: neat, thanks
[21:36] <mungbean> i'll always be grateful to reddit for the one piece of advice that changed my life
[21:36] <dwatkins> what's that, mungbean?
[21:36] <directhex> don't eat yellow snow
[21:36] <mungbean> if you have a meeting at 11am and you look at your watch..10.56
[21:36] <mungbean> but you feel a poo coming on
[21:36] <mungbean> you sit down and need a speed poo
[21:37] <mungbean> rock 3 forward times so your head goes down to knee level
[21:37] <mungbean> you'll make that 11:00 meeting
[21:37] <mungbean> and few pounds lighter
[21:38] <mungbean> repeat if necessary, but 3 rocks usually helps
[21:39] <mungbean> lol @ manlab using cats with webcams to detect burglars
[21:43] <dwatkins> webcams fitted to cats?
[21:43] <mungbean> cameras
[21:43] <mungbean> sorry not webcams
[21:44] <mungbean> caught james anyway
[21:44] <shauno> catburglaralarms do seem like the logical response to catburglars
[21:44] <mungbean> S03E02
[21:46] <shauno> hm, now the installer is hating me.  I think I may give up for tonight
[22:07] <dwatkins> thanks mungbean, I will look it up after it's finished
[22:20] <mungbean> this guy on the news pays 900pm on an interest only mortgage?
[22:20] <directhex> that's a lot
[22:20] <directhex> i pay 750 on capital repayment. down from 1050 last year
[22:21] <mungbean> he sounbds like a victim(has £6 in savinds), but it was his choice
[22:22] <mungbean> gonna have to get smaller house then
[22:24] <dwatkins> I had six quid in savings once, then I bought a house...
[22:24] <mungbean> 6% interest on 189k
[22:25] <mungbean> on the plus side, if he lost the house he wouldnt lose capitak
[22:25] <mungbean> just would be like renting for those years
[22:26] <dwatkins> yeah, I never saw the point of interest-only, unless you're renting the place out
[22:26] <mungbean> unless you are expectinh inheritance in 15yrs
[22:28] <popey> our mortage is ~1K too. somewhat painful.
[22:28] <dwatkins> considering the current research being done on mice, I'm half expecting my parents to be immortal.
[22:29] <dwatkins> I have a fairly small flat on the 3rd floor, but that's offset by being close to the centre of Edinburgh, so I'm paying about three quarters of that.
[22:30] <mungbean> popey: capital too right?
[22:32]  * dwatkins assumes popey has more than 2 bedrooms
[22:44] <popey> 3
[22:45] <popey> Sam has the really small room tho
[23:05] <shauno> okay, now I can go to sleep a happy chappy .. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23042/Screen%20Shot%202013-05-02%20at%2023.59.02.png
[23:07] <daftykins> what on earth be they 0o
[23:08] <shauno> it's finally bringing nodes up without complaining about anything.  given the time, that's all I'm going to ask for tonight :)
[23:08] <daftykins> what's the eventual aim?
[23:09] <shauno> being able to bring up & tear down labs from a nice simplified UI so I don't have to be involved
[23:09] <daftykins> ooh
[23:09] <daftykins> sounds useful for education
[23:09] <daftykins> at least, at a high level anyway
[23:10] <shauno> the next fun bit will be turning out 'appliance' into something I can use.  it's usually deployed on vmware
[23:11] <daftykins> =]
[23:11] <shauno> but because it's meant to be the controller for the management lan, it's difficult to have multiple versions living side by side.  they bicker like children
[23:12] <daftykins> ah yes
[23:12] <daftykins> i recall a lab at my Uni, where they hadn't filtered traffic between a teaching lab with custom installs vs. some sun workstations
[23:12] <shauno> so the idea is to be able to replicate various setups by just ticking which versions of which applications they want on the network, and it'll go off and build it
[23:13] <daftykins> playing with SNMP or some-such, the students in the lab had accidentally instructed the sun gear to switch themselves all off, having considered themselves 'subordinate' somehow
[23:13] <daftykins> ah nice :D sounds fun
[23:13] <daftykins> is it in education at all, or?
[23:13] <shauno> yeah, we have a similar problem with this beastie.  if it's plugged into the wrong network, it'll go looking for various devices with default credentials, and assume ownership of them
[23:14] <daftykins> hehehe
[23:14] <daftykins> i love it when tech appears almost alive
[23:14] <shauno> and since said devices are our products, there's quite a few of them laying around the network
[23:15] <shauno> not educational so much, more being able to troubleshoot our own products by recreating the scenario so we can see what actually happens
[23:15] <daftykins> ah yeah
[23:15] <daftykins> virt is great for that i'd imagine
[23:16] <daftykins> i use virt a lot for testing installs, software configs, etc.
[23:16] <shauno> I'm not sure it's ideal, but it's a whole lot easier to make happen, than requesting various bits of hardware that just never seem to arrive
[23:17] <daftykins> yep, just put together a box with plenty of RAM and fast storage and weeeee
[23:17] <daftykins> is it a pretty serious piece of kit you're cranking out those little systems on, or are they quite simply spec'd?
[23:18] <shauno> it's a previous-generation server.  so nothing impressive, but more than sufficient
[23:19] <shauno> I'll be happier once I manage to beg/borrow/steal some more ram, but 15k disks & two xeons is way more than we need
[23:20] <daftykins> :)