[05:36] <Squirm> morning
[06:24] <Kilos> morning all :-)
[06:38] <HawkiesZA> Morning Kilos 
[06:56] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[06:57] <Vince-0> hi Kilos !
[07:14] <Kilos> hi morgs 
[07:14] <morgs> morning
[07:51] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[07:59] <Kilos> morning gwood 
[08:00] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, are you familiar with 3g and network manager
[08:01] <Kilos> i just wanna check that the signal strength shown on nm shouldnt vary if one can see the tower should it?
[08:02] <Kilos> shows full strength on fone but on nm it is up and down here
[08:03] <Kilos> wanna fone and rev 8ta a bit , but dont want to seem too stupid
[08:06] <HawkiesZA> Nah, signal could vary on the modem but not on the phone
[08:07] <Kilos> aw
[08:07] <Kilos> so its then their equipment that sucks
[08:07] <Kilos> ty
[08:08] <HawkiesZA> Kilos, no, it's just the nature of 3G
[08:08] <Kilos> oh
[08:15] <HawkiesZA> Does the modem drop completely or is it just fluctuating?
[08:29] <Kilos> it shows normally 3 bars but latelt drops to 1 bar then i only get 1650 b/s
[08:29] <Kilos> latest
[08:29] <Kilos> and opening links takes forever
[08:31] <Kilos> thats surely them clamping it?
[08:36] <Kilos> got them on fone now
[08:57] <Symmetria> Kilos, check this: http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/cheetah.jpg
[08:58] <Symmetria> (yes, its 2.4 meg big, but that is such an awesome shot)
[08:59] <Kilos> lol Symmetria 
[08:59] <Kilos> you gone camera mad
[09:00] <Kilos> just busy with 8ta
[09:00] <Symmetria> Kilos lol you gotta admit though thats such an awesome shot
[09:00] <Kilos> they opening a new case as the old one was closed
[09:00] <Kilos> grrr
[09:01] <Kilos> yip Symmetria beautiful
[09:01] <Kilos> now get 8ta to fix whatever they gotta fix
[09:05] <Kilos> you shoulda called them and said smile for the shot
[09:05] <Symmetria> lol
[09:06] <Symmetria> I got a few more of them actually cleaning each other but aint editted them yet and their res is so huge its not practical to put them online till I dot hat
[09:06] <Kilos> tell me something first
[09:07] <Kilos> is there a way i can hassle my 8ta connection till it speeds up
[09:07] <Kilos> or hassles them so they fix it asap
[09:08] <Kilos> you arent the network guru for nothing
[09:08] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[09:09] <superfly> hi Kilos
[09:09] <Symmetria> Kilos
[09:09] <Symmetria> 8ta is part of telkom
[09:09] <Symmetria> therefore, its broken by nature
[09:09] <Symmetria> and any fixing it would be defying the very laws of the universe
[09:09] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:10] <Kilos> hahaha help me force them to fix it man
[09:10] <Kilos> it was good for a long time
[09:11] <Kilos> or i gotta start tweeting their CEO daily and i hate twitter
[09:43] <trender> (.)(.)
[09:43] <trender>   __
[09:44] <inetpro> good morning Kilos, and everyone else
[09:45] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[09:49] <HawkiesZA> Morning inetpro 
[09:50] <inetpro> 02/05 11:09:31 <Symmetria> and any fixing it would be defying the very laws of the universe
[09:51] <Kilos> lol
[09:51] <inetpro> Maaz: Symmetria ++ [fixing Telkom would be defying the laws of the universe]
[09:52] <inetpro> it's a sad case
[09:53] <Kilos> we just gotta tweet the ceo inetpro 
[09:53] <inetpro> so much potential there yet so little effort that seems to be channeled in the direction to fix things up
[09:54] <Kilos> will see now after this mornings fone call
[10:07] <Kilos> inetpro, its no good just sitting back and complaining , all 8ta peeps must let them selves be heard then only will something happen
[10:08] <Kilos> when waves get big you gotta jumps to keep head above water
[10:08] <Kilos> jump
[10:08] <inetpro> Kilos: my problems with 8ta are relatively minor
[10:08] <Kilos> its called rocking the boat
[10:08] <Kilos> speed?
[10:09] <Kilos> thats my only prob now
[10:09] <inetpro> my speed is quite stable
[10:09] <Kilos> connection does drop but speed sucks
[10:09] <Kilos> doesnt
[10:09] <Kilos> stable at how much?
[10:10] <inetpro> yes it slows down at times and yes sometimes I have connectivity issues but I can live with those at the price that we pay compared to other networks
[10:11] <inetpro> my 8ta connection is more stable than Vodacom
[10:11] <Kilos> my only prob is the speed
[10:12] <Kilos> there seems to be a connection prob between customer care and the technicians
[10:12] <Kilos> this morning the data guys told me the case i was working on  had been closed
[10:13] <Kilos> but the customer care peeps kept saying they are logging on it and reporting
[10:25] <Kilos> wbb going to kde
[10:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[11:49] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[11:49] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[11:50] <inetpro> Maaz: thanks
[11:50] <Maaz> inetpro: Okay :-)
[11:50]  * inetpro feels better now
[11:59] <Vince-0> surp durp
[11:59] <Vince-0> checking out Jaque Raymer's custom distro: http://www.makululinux.com/ - looks to be Ubuntu based
[13:03] <Kilos> hmm...
[13:04] <Kilos> trying to remastersys on kde today
[13:16] <HawkiesZA> Looks like that's becoming System Imager
[13:17] <HawkiesZA> http://www.remastersys.com/
[13:17] <HawkiesZA> Dev sounds angry
[13:31] <Kilos> it works on ubuntu now we see the kde result
[13:39] <Kilos> takes a long time to make that custom dvd though
[13:43] <Kilos> actually the custom iso , burning the dvd is chop chop
[13:48] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:50] <HawkiesZA> yo magespawn 
[13:52] <magespawn> what's up today?
[13:52] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[13:52] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[13:52] <Kilos> you win laddy?
[13:53] <magespawn> looks like it
[13:56] <Kilos> yay what did you find?
[13:58] <magespawn> looks like the one switch was getting overloaded and would drop the internet off, as it has the least amount of traffic
[13:59] <magespawn> but we are still running the monitering software
[13:59] <Kilos> ah
[14:00] <Kilos> in winsucks?
[14:00] <Kilos> shame
[14:00] <magespawn> no linux, i left a laptop plugged into their network
[14:00] <tonberryE352> burn the switch
[14:01] <Kilos> ah
[14:01] <magespawn> the switch is probably faulty, so yes tonberryE352, time for a new one
[14:13] <Kilos> interesting to watch remastersys working, it does lotsa stuff
[14:15] <Kilos> tempporarily copies /var and /etc to somwhere
[16:31] <Kilos> oh my, remaster sys did something to kde, boots to prompt and i forgot the command to start the gui
[16:31] <Kilos> didnt do anything to unity
[16:32] <Kilos> when i use sudo service kdm start it says its already running
[16:32] <Kilos> grrr
[17:23] <magespawn> Kilos ping
[17:23] <Cantide> magespawn pong
[17:24] <Kilos> magespawn, pong
[17:24] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[17:24] <Cantide> hello Kilos and magespawn :)
[17:24] <magespawn> hi Cantide
[17:24] <Kilos> you supposed to great before chatting
[17:24] <magespawn> Kilos: is it not startx?
[17:25] <Kilos> oh ya that sounds familiar ty magespawn 
[17:26] <magespawn> np
[17:30] <Kilos> lo Trixar_za 
[17:51] <Trixar_za> lo Kilos
[17:51] <Kilos> lo Trixar_za 
[17:53] <Kilos> wb Vince-0 
[17:53] <Vince-0> hey
[17:54] <Vince-0> bbl
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <inetpro> good evening
[18:14] <inetpro> Kilos: did startx work?
[18:16] <Kilos> i still on unity inetpro 
[18:16] <Kilos> wb
[18:45]  * Squirm looks around
[18:46] <Squirm> hi
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Squirm y
[18:52] <superfly> I doubt startx will be of any help - kdm runs startx, in essence. it's more likely a problem with graphics card drivers
[18:53] <Kilos> ive tried nvidia-173 reinstall but same thing superfly 
[18:53] <Kilos> and kdm
[18:54] <superfly> Kilos: did you try purging nvidia-304 ?
[18:54] <superfly> then again, nvidia-173 should have removed 304
[18:54] <Kilos> nope where would that have got in?
[18:55] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos 
[18:55] <nuvolari> lo superfly 
[18:55] <Kilos> i think once before i installed xorg and it came right but not sure anymore
[18:55] <nuvolari> lo Squirm , ThatGraemeGuy, inetpro
[18:55] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[18:56] <superfly> hi nuvolari
[18:56] <superfly> nuvolari: Pyramid + Google App Engine = yummy
[18:59] <nuvolari> meh, I'm off GAE for the time being. Boss can't make up his mind on using GAE or not
[18:59] <superfly> nuvolari: I'm fiddling with a Python app for GAE
[18:59] <superfly> then I don't have to care about scalability
[19:00] <nuvolari> it is refreshing taking a break from JEE - GAE was fun!
[19:00] <nuvolari> hello Cantide 
[19:00] <Cantide> hello :)
[19:09] <Kilos> superfly, so what do i try if startx dont work
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: startx won't work
[19:09] <Kilos> uh oh
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: startx is an old command which should not be used unless you know why you're using it
[19:10] <nuvolari> *cough* I was under impression that it should, well, start X :P
[19:10] <superfly> nuvolari: if you'd been keeping track of Kilos's conversation, you'd see why startx won't work
[19:11] <nuvolari> oh, sorry, not been keeping track
[19:11] <Kilos> did remastersys kill it?
[19:11] <superfly> Kilos: what does /var/log/Xorg.0.log say?
[19:11] <Kilos> sec lemme try find it
[19:12] <superfly> Kilos: it's a file, not a command. You want to look for lines that start with "EE"
[19:12] <superfly> [    27.955] (EE) ...
[19:12] <Kilos> i can do that from this drive to that one cant i?
[19:13] <superfly> Kilos: as long as you have the drive mounted, and you're looking at the right file
[19:13] <Kilos> ok lemme try
[19:16] <Kilos> aw cant open it
[19:17]  * inetpro taking an early nap
[19:17] <inetpro> good night everyone
[19:17] <Kilos> there is /var/log/Xorg.1.log that i can open
[19:17] <nuvolari> o/ night inetpro 
[19:17] <Kilos> night inetpro 
[19:18] <Kilos> sleep tight
[19:19] <Kilos> eek its massive
[19:19] <Kilos> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[19:20] <Kilos> is that it superfly ?
[19:20] <superfly> Kilos: that looks like one of them. is this on the other drive?
[19:20] <superfly> Kilos: are you sure you're not looking at this hard drive?
[19:21] <superfly> where's your other hard drive mounted?
[19:22] <Kilos> ini went from home to it
[19:22] <Kilos> it shows on the launcher as mounted
[19:23] <Kilos> called 18g filesystem
[19:27] <superfly> OK. are there any other lines that start with EE ?
[19:27] <Kilos> that might also be mavericks
[19:28] <Kilos> whew three drives on one pc can bamfoozle one when there are probs
[19:32] <Kilos> eish internet even slow on slexy.org
[19:39] <Kilos> superfly, im not getting even the short good one pasted to slexy
[19:40] <Kilos>  and sukkeling to stay up here now. will remove maverick tomorrow and go from there. ty for the help
[19:41] <superfly> OK
[19:42] <superfly> Kilos: that bit of an error message you showed me says that you don't have the nVidia drivers insdtalled
[19:43] <Kilos> i dunno why i installed nvidia-173 when i was logged in on the prompt
[19:43] <Kilos> but actually i saw something funny too
[19:44] <Kilos> saw gdm somewhere ant that kde boots differently to others so maybe i installed gdm sometime
[19:44] <Kilos> i will try sudo gdm start there and see  if thats it
[19:44] <Kilos> but tomorrow
[19:45] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:45] <superfly> Kilos: do you have both gdm and kdm installed?
[19:45] <superfly> no wonder you're having issues!
[19:45] <Kilos> i dunno superfly 
[19:45] <Kilos> will boot with only that drive in then i cant make mistakes
[19:46] <Kilos> hehe i do funny things when head crooked
[19:46] <Kilos> and it was running so lekker too
[19:46] <Kilos> night