[03:37] <Len-nb> zequence, I expect that by 14.04 (for sure) but hopefully for 13.10, we will be including ardour 3. One of the changes from a2 to a3 is midi style.
[03:37] <Len-nb> I understand that a2 did not record midi, but it did use it for timing and sync purposes.
[03:38] <Len-nb> However, a2 used alsa midi ports but a3 uses jack midi ports.
[03:38] <Len-nb> The reason sited as stability time wise.
[03:39] <Len-nb> Many of the applications we ship can create alsa. jack or both styles of midi ports.
[03:40] <Len-nb> However, most default to alsa.
[03:41] <Len-nb> I would like to know how the team here fells about defaulting to jack style midi ports for our applications.
[03:42] <Len-nb> s/fells/feels
[03:44] <Len-nb> I would like to try to have at least our whole audio workflow for music production use applications that talk jack-midi.
[08:38] <DarkEra> morning
[09:37] <zequence> Len-nb: Debian Wheezy will be released some time this week, and after that, things will start to move along, as far as Debian packaging goes, so A3 will appearn shortly. I will need to start working on syncing that stuff
[09:58] <DarkEra> heya zequence and smartboyhw 
[10:00] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: Hey
[10:00] <DarkEra> how are you doing buddy?
[10:00] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: :)
[10:16] <zequence> Hello guys
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Hello zequence:)
[11:30] <smartboyhw> Hello madeinkobaia:)
[11:30] <madeinkobaia> Hi smartboyhw :)
[12:21] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Is there a necessity of kubotu in here? It feels rather awkward
[12:22] <smartboyhw_> astraljava: ^
[12:25] <zequence> smartboyhw_: You seem to be the person using it most. You don't like him?
[12:25] <zequence> ..or, it
[12:26] <smartboyhw_> zequence: I don't see any necessity. I only use it for s/a/b/ purposes
[12:26] <smartboyhw_> jussi reported that it was astraljava who wanted the bot.
[12:27] <jussi> no, astraljava has been around long enough he might remember...
[12:27] <zequence> I don't see why we should bother removing it. Doesn't bother anyone, I don't think
[12:29] <zequence> jussi: Do you know who made the Ubuntu Studio COF?
[12:30] <jussi> COF?
[12:30] <zequence> jussi: Circle of Friends. The symbol
[12:30] <jussi> no.
[12:31] <zequence> Some guy is using a wallpaper with it for his Ubuntu based distro, and that got me wondering, what is the legal status of that symbol anyway. First, I'd just like to know who made it :P
[13:08] <smartboyhw> zequence: What did I miss? 
[13:08] <smartboyhw> I heard about the COF but missed a big part of it
[13:09] <zequence> smartboyhw: Check out the screenshot for this http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07834
[13:15] <smartboyhw> zequence: I do know the original story:P
[13:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: Then I don't think you have missed anything
[13:16] <smartboyhw> zequence: I thought you are asking jussi about who drawn it 
[13:16] <smartboyhw> But I can't hear the answer
[13:17] <zequence> I haven't got any answer to that yet
[13:17] <zequence> As soon as I do, I will document it on our wiki
[13:17] <zequence> And work out something with madeinkobaia on how to do this in the future too
[13:21] <smartboyhw> zequence: Oh
[13:22] <zequence> My email filter is almost ready. But, I'm too much of a wimp to try it out without testing a debug version first :P
[13:23] <smartboyhw> zequence: :) BTW how are we going to document the hist of Ubuntu Studio? That requires going through logs and mailing lists' archives o_O
[13:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: It would be nice to do taht
[13:25] <zequence> smartboyhw: You are free to start doing it, if you want
[14:04] <DarkEra> bbl :)
[14:06] <jussi> smartboyhw_: consider talking to luisbg, _mma_ joejaxx, ttoine et al who were here before
[14:14] <smartboyhw_> jussi: Heh only ttoine is here nowadays
[14:14] <smartboyhw_> doing merchandise stuff
[14:15] <jussi> smartboyhw_: just because they are *here* doesnt mean they don't exist...
[14:15] <jussi> rather *aren't*
[18:48] <zequence> The Ext* guy is going to change his wallpaper in a month or so
[18:54] <DarkEra> zequence, that's good to 'hear'
[18:54] <DarkEra> :)
[18:55]  * DarkEra is feeling bored
[19:03] <zequence> I decided to try and fix my email filtering today, as I have time to do it, but the tools are too stupid
[19:04] <zequence> I'll need to learn IMAP, and how the library is coded in order to get my filtering to work the way I want it to
[19:04] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, zequence, about witch wallpaper you're talkin' ?
[19:05] <zequence> madeinkobaia: http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07834
[19:05] <zequence> Check the screenshot
[19:09] <madeinkobaia> Don't see the interestet to do that, any dumb can create his own wallpaper, that takes few minutes... :P
[19:12] <zequence> madeinkobaia: He thought the symbol was the Ubuntu COF, and had never heard of Ubuntu Studio
[19:12] <madeinkobaia> Ok, I understand now ; )
[19:14] <DarkEra> kinda weird he never heard of ubuntu studio looking at how long his project is active. I mean 5 years is long enough and i'm sure he watches DW too.
[19:16] <madeinkobaia> Well no big deal anyway...the COF is a peace and universal symbol, no ?
[19:16] <zequence> I suggested he should join Ubuntu Gnome, as he's clearly into Gnome, but the response was, he works alone, as he always had
[19:17] <zequence> Some people are like that, for one reason or another
[19:18] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, yeah, i think so too but we still try to figure out if the logo is protected by copyright and who created it
[19:20] <madeinkobaia> I already search on that, maybe its in my bookmarks. Will take a look...
[19:22] <zequence> I was unable to find anything about it on google. Dry as the Sahara desert
[19:22] <DarkEra> lol... yeah
[19:26] <madeinkobaia> Yep the detailed about Ubuntu license are here http://www.ubuntu.com/trademark-policy, few years ago I already searched about the author of the COF without success, its a classified information :D , so the license for COF and Ubuntu branding is for (be simple) a CC BY-SA license...
[19:27] <zequence> Yes, but that's the Ubuntu version
[19:27] <madeinkobaia> SA = Share a like, so the derivative ahve the same license ; )
[19:27] <madeinkobaia> Normally.
[19:28] <zequence> The Ubuntu Studio is clearly derived from the Ubuntu COF, but is it actually a derivative?
[19:29] <zequence> While you can see the similarities, I doubt one could make a court case of plagiarism
[19:29] <zequence> By that I mean, it's different enough to have it's own license
[19:29] <madeinkobaia> That have sense. Do we know who have created the Ubuntu Studio logo ? He could answer better than me.
[19:30] <zequence> I was going to ask ttoine, if he happened to drop by. Once I fix my email filtering, I'll send him an email
[19:33] <madeinkobaia> Yep, with have some work to do on that to. I mean, it would be great to have an historical of the team and main contributors (also for graphics). Also we need to have a clear vision of the licenses we will apply.
[19:34] <madeinkobaia> More info on the Ubuntu COF here : http://design.ubuntu.com/brand/ubuntu-logo
[20:07] <zequence> Ok, finally, my filter is doing some actual filtering
[20:08] <zequence> I've got 2000+ undread mail
[20:08] <zequence> unread*
[20:08] <DarkEra> cool :)
[20:17] <madeinkobaia> =-O
[20:18] <DarkEra> ah, finally some more room to type
[20:19] <DarkEra> 2000+ unread mails is a lot
[20:26] <zequence> Most of it is just bug reports, changes in repos, etc
[20:27] <zequence> All though, it's not the full story
[20:28] <zequence> I've already made stuff read that I don't need to read. keywords decide whether something from a mark_read_list should be marked unread
[20:28] <zequence> And, I've filtered mail from 1st of January this way
[20:28] <zequence> So, 2000+ mail that I need to go through once
[20:29] <zequence> But, some days I do get 200-300 mails. And might even get more in the future, as with this filter in place, it won't be too much work to adjust things
[20:30] <DarkEra> that's awesome
[20:30] <zequence> ..which will let me be brave enough to subscribe to more mail lists
[20:30] <DarkEra> lol :D
[20:30] <zequence> I will test it with gmail too later
[20:30] <zequence> If things work out ok, I'll publish it
[20:30] <zequence> Should be usable as a work mail filter system
[20:31] <zequence> For developers
[20:31] <DarkEra> that would be great
[22:11] <len-1304> zequence, the application menu icon is copyright by Scott, but I don't know if that applies to the COF itself
[22:15] <zequence> len-1304: That's strange. I kind of thought it was older than that
[22:16] <zequence> I mean, before Scott became involved
[22:16] <len-1304> I was looking at it when we moved it to the icon meta
[22:16] <len-1304> It may be that he didn't know who it was and felt it needed something
[22:16] <len-1304> But I would have put ubuntustudio rather than my name if it was me.
[22:17] <zequence> Well, we don't know yet who made it. I'll ask Scott too, if ttoine doesn't know
[22:18] <DarkEra> the logo itself is indeed older than that, i know it since 2007 when i first tried the 7.04 release
[22:18] <len-1304> Also that is just the icon, not the design
[22:19] <len-1304> I have only been around since 11.04 ish
[22:25] <DarkEra> ah, i see. To be honest i have been distro hopping around for many years and used Ubuntu for to most of the time though. Then after the 11.04 release i kinda moved on to various distro's but now i'm back home. The circle is complete. :)
[22:27] <len-1304> Looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialFeisty shows the same COF as far back as that... Including an icon so I don't know why we needed to remake one.
[22:27] <zequence> I've been somewhat involved since 10.10, or before
[22:28] <zequence> Remake one?
[22:28] <DarkEra> To tell you the truth... all the negative vibes on the web and the people who complain a lot about Ubuntu (flaming/bashing) drove me back here. And of course my interest in music did this too
[22:29] <len-1304> zequence, Ya, I think Scott had to remake the icon... I am assuming it was lost?
[22:29] <DarkEra> i believe they remade the logo to let it fit in better with Xfce... could be possible
[22:30] <len-1304> Icon should work with any DE
[22:30] <zequence> len-1304: I don't think that was the reason. I'm sure it was just an update of it. It's still the same COF
[22:30] <DarkEra> we could ask Scott maybe
[22:31] <zequence> My filtering is processing one mail at the time. Up at 90'000
[22:31] <len-1304> zequence, could be... I personally can't see any difference :), but I just see thge form I am not a detail person.
[22:32] <DarkEra> getting the pieces together for documentation will be a long process i believe :D
[22:32] <zequence> len-1304: Actually, I'm not sure it's that new either. The icon theme might have had it for longer than that
[22:32] <DarkEra> zequence, 90.000?
[22:32] <zequence> I was away for 11.04, and I remember Cory was around for a little while
[22:33] <len-1304> Ya he was.
[22:33] <zequence> He might be responsible for some art work as well
[22:33] <zequence> Mail nr. 100'000 now
[22:33] <zequence> I have all my mail in the INBOX, since 1st of January
[22:33] <len-1304> Our artwork wiki only goes back to Feisty
[22:34] <zequence> Yeah, I've gone through pretty much everything that one can find there
[22:34] <zequence> The wiki hasn't been well looked after for many years
[22:34] <len-1304> man power
[22:34] <zequence> Lack of organization
[22:35] <len-1304> that too, but it is hard to organize without the people to do it.
[22:35] <zequence> Well, you only need one apparently
[22:35]  * zequence is referring to himself
[22:37] <zequence> But, it's a lot of work for one person
[22:37] <zequence> The biggest work is in the beginning though, creating a form for it
[22:38] <zequence> Then you just need to update, and add