[00:00] xubuntu611: to get flash, java and other useful things, install the package xubuntu-restricted-extras (or ubuntu-restricted-extras on ubuntu) [00:00] xubuntu611: most likely flashplugin-installer will be all you need for most online things. [00:00] xubuntu611: what is the name of the plugin the game site asks about? or what site is it? [00:01] new_xu: yeah, 2.0 is the latest stable, but its not quite ready for a ppa, methinks. I'm a member on the forums, and there is an irc channel as well :P [00:01] umm i just installed xubuntu today and that website isnt asking me for plugins when using firefox [00:01] Where do i find these flash plug ins? [00:01] ntzrmtthihu777: ah thanks for the info [00:01] Let me check the website real quick i will tell you what it asks for [00:01] xubuntu611: (xubuntu-restricted-extras is a meta-package that will install flashplugin-installer, among other things) [00:02] new_xu: besides, if you're looking to use it you likly have the chops to compile it yourself :P [00:03] ntzrmtthihu777, switching to xchat. and yes. been awhile since i used linux build systems but i never had too much difficulty [00:03] oh much better than web interface [00:04] seronis: == new_xu ? [00:04] yup [00:04] It says flash player Adobe is downloadeable, but i dont know which one to download for my operating system [00:04] where do i download XUBUNTU-Restricted-extras? [00:05] ubuntu software center will do it [00:05] btw what do we call the 'start' menu in xubuntu? (since its not a start icon) [00:05] seronis: should check out irssi :3 [00:05] xubuntu611: just open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras"; it will handle the heavy lifting [00:05] xubuntu611: without the quotes, mind you. [00:05] I feel like a computer dummy with this sys. [00:06] xubuntu611: no need to download anything. press your windows key + t [00:06] oh.. new shortcut learned [00:06] xubuntu611: you almost never "download things from the internet" (plugins/drivers/programs) you use the package manager of the operating system. the most user friendly interface to it is "Software Center", other interfaces are Synaptic and in the terminal apt-get. [00:07] xubuntu611, benifit of using the package managers (all 3 interfaces david mentioned go to the same place) means when an update exists its automatically handled [00:07] no seperate updaters like spammy windows [00:08] Crap, now i dont know the password [00:08] same password you logged onto the computer with (dont tell us) [00:09] I dont use a password to get in [00:09] seronis: and to answer your earlier question the command that opens the "start menu" is "xfce3-popup-applicationsmenu" [00:09] I might not know how to use ubuntu but i do know better than to give out PW's LOL [00:09] ntzrmtthihu777, not the command.. just the 'name' of it [00:09] ie.. its not a start menu [00:10] oh.. but 'app menu' [00:10] xubuntu611: who set this system up for you? [00:10] *xfce4 [00:10] seronis: I set it to have the keyboard shortcut of the gnome menu, alt+f1 [00:11] my friends husband, he is really good with computers, i only know what is necessary lol [00:11] xubuntu611: and he did not give you the pass? [00:11] xubuntu611, well you dont use a password so he set it up to login without a pass (to auto use the pass) [00:11] you'll need to get the actual pass from him [00:11] xubuntu611: if you want to set a new password for you, you either need to know your current pw, or the admin pw which is your current pw, so you are kind of in a hard place. do you know how to use a live-cd for fixing files on the harddisk? [00:12] xubuntu611: or does the kid know their pw and have admin privileges? [00:13] ((probably single user login)) [00:13] I dont know, i sent him a text asking what it is [00:13] do i need the PW to install the plug in? [00:13] well.. try 'password' as the password for starters [00:14] David-A: lol, judging by his/her responce I doubt it (no offense meant) [00:14] can i get it in the app center? [00:14] you'll need PW for that [00:14] xubuntu611: yes, you need the password to make any major changes to the system, including but not limited to: installing/uninstalling software, updating and upgrading, and changing system settings. [00:14] ntzrmtthihu777, you type inhumanly fast.. you have failed my turing test [00:15] I am not human, so it should not surprise you. [00:15] ok. you're good then [00:16] thank god you DONT need a password to log into wireless routers anymore [00:16] * ntzrmtthihu777 is taking a screenshot as that is likely the most amusing comment he's heard about himself ever :P [00:16] this sucks [00:17] xubuntu611, the Software Center, Synaptic Manager and Apt-get on the command line all use the exact same installation methods. so no matter which you use you'll need your password [00:18] and i have no clue how to install plugins into your local user home directory (that doesnt require a password, i think) [00:18] * ntzrmtthihu777 should like to note that that is actually far harder :P [00:19] but my answer is still correct with modern linux right ? [00:19] (i hate giving bad info because it _used_ to be true) [00:19] xubuntu611: unix have a reputation about being secure. and it is a good thing. don't be dissapointed at the system if it won't let you admin it in without a pw. [00:20] yeah, it always sucks when your info goes outta date XD [00:20] ok.. and for MY issue.. deleting the binary download and grabbing sfml source [00:20] xubuntu611: the solution is to manipulate the system on the harddisk while it is not running. that is, run a live-cd. but you need to be a little familiar with the terminal. [00:21] or load IRC while booting from a livecd and keep using -us- (aka, not me but those other guys) for info [00:21] could anyone give me a good website my son could play some math games without plug ins? [00:21] if its interactive.. its gonna use flash in MOST cases [00:21] ie: every case i know [00:22] ^this. [00:22] OK Well thank you for the support, i guess i just have to wait until i get the PW [00:23] before you leave... [00:23] xubuntu611: it is still possible to install the flash player for the local user, not in the system. you download a zip file, extract a .so file and copies into the right place. [00:23] that.. [00:23] nvm [00:23] quite frankly thats just dodging the issue. [00:24] when you say terminal, what do you mean? [00:24] command line window [00:24] yeah. on xubuntu you open it with windows key + t [00:24] its the 'dos like' window that shows up when you hold the Windows key and press t [00:24] damn psychic aliens [00:26] terminal is asking for PW [00:26] lol. I do almost all the heavy lifting with terminal, so I gotta type fast :P [00:26] xubuntu611: yes, you need it regardless of how you attempt to install [00:26] xubuntu611: if you have to ask what a terminal is, the live-cd solution to fix the pw would be too complicated a project. downloading a zip, extracting a .so and copy it to the right place can be done with the mouse, i think. [00:27] I just dont know this operating system, sorry... Windows i can handle, i used DOS as a kid [00:28] xubuntu611: hell you may be up to it. [00:28] David-A: actually could he/she not just reboot, enter the recovery mode, and use the root account to set the password? [00:29] xubuntu611: do you have another machine you can talk to us with while we guide you? [00:29] I dont remember, will the recovery mode drop into root without a pw? [00:30] I have a laptop, with windows.... How do i get back in this forum? [00:30] David-A: I believe so :P [00:31] xubuntu611: not a forum, irc channel. but this is besides the point. you can install an irc client on windows and join us here, or you can use an in-browser application like mibbit [00:31] mibbit is ugly for someone who LIKES irc but its perfectly functional and simple [00:33] seronis: anything other than irssi is ugly for an irc pro :P [00:33] meh.. i like icechat / xchat [00:34] I will just wait for my friend to call me back, maybe he can talk me through it......Thank you so much for all your help [00:34] have a good night [00:34] if he forgets the pw come back.. we can help you get around that too [00:34] its just.. longer process [00:34] Ok thank you [00:35] xubuntu611: with the recovery mode it should not be complicated [00:38] yup. just passwd [00:39] only thing you lose when doing that is contents of encrypted directories, right ? [00:40] seronis: no clue. I've seen far too many people in #ubuntu locked outta their encrypted directories fo wanna try. [00:41] thankfully my level of paranoia only requires me to use things like peerblock.. not into deepweb and directory encryption yet [00:43] I am quite pleased with xubuntu's level of customization: http://imagebin.org/256133 [00:47] nice replacement macro [00:47] mind sharing? cause it looks like what i was disappointed with today [00:47] seronis: no macro. [00:47] ie: not having a puu.sh alternative [00:47] irssi magic, it is. [00:48] with irssi you can run any program within it, eg: [00:48] CPU~Dual core AMD Athlon II X2 240e (-MCP-) clocked at 800.000 Mhz Kernel~3.2.0-40-generic x86_64 Up~23:20 Mem~1552.8/3447.5MB HDD~500.1GB(29.1% used) Procs~182 Client~Irssi 0.8.15 inxi~1.8.4 [00:48] yes.. but your irssi config is calling something that is doing a window specific screen capture and upload [00:48] THAT is what im interested in [00:48] on windows i used puush [00:49] http://puush.me [00:49] I have an external curl script, which I call imagebinit, stored in $HOME/.bin (added to my path); it does one of two things. [00:49] without an arg it uses scrot to screenshot the entire desktop and push it to image bin, with a file arguement it pushes said file to imagebin [00:50] to use it in the above manner I did /exec -o echo "message $(imagebinit)" [00:51] * seronis takes notes [00:52] The imagebin script is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5624542/ [00:54] note I used the exact same trick; subistituting pastebinit for imagebinit. [00:56] ntzrmtthihu777: my customization (not using the scrot/upload script) http://imagebin.org/256135 [00:57] David-A: purply :3 [00:59] ntzrmtthihu777: absolutly, but more importantly, obey the Fitts' law [01:00] fitss law? never heard of it. [01:02] seronis: congratulations, you have been forever immortalized in a forum signature [01:03] ntzrmtthihu777: it's in wikipedia, the Mac interface obeys it more than most desktops, further, see the Mezzo desktop (also in wiki) [01:05] I must be a lawbreaker then, lol. I do most everything possible with the keyboard XD [01:07] ntzrmtthihu777: no, you just circumvent the law. breaking Fitts' law would be using the mouse but sizing and placing the buttons wrong. [01:08] gotcha [01:09] like I don't break the law of aerodynamics by not being able to fly, no? [01:10] ntzrmtthihu777: you don't see a program menu, nor a places menu, on my desktop, the (un-hidden) panel is mostly things that I want to easly SEE, with my eyes, not so often click on) [01:11] this is so. I usually use the alt+f2 run prompt, but if I no not the actual command to launch a program I use my alt+f1 hotkey to open the menu and scroll to it. [01:12] *know not [01:12] ntzrmtthihu777: in the 4 corners are the common things I'd click on, often or quickly. 1) Window List 2) Volume (w mouse wheel) 3) Terminal launcher menu (normal and root) (hidden) 4) Program menu (hidden) [01:13] hmm. sounds nice, lol. although I now have tilda set up for easy term access. [01:14] f1-4 opens one in each quarter of my (fairly large) screen. [01:15] and I have the compiz style desktop grid effect keyed to super left/right with another custom script. [01:16] ntzrmtthihu777: what would the world become if everyone was like you (or me)? not using f1 for help, but map your own function [01:17] dunno *shrug* [01:18] I'm more interested in knowing what happens if the world adopts the gnu/foss philosophy [01:20] ntzrmtthihu777: I could tell you what I think, but that would start a massive offtopic [01:20] ntzrmtthihu777: pm [01:21] seronis: still looking to compile sfml? [01:24] Installed Xubuntu 13.04 (64 bit) and after choosing Ubuntu on Grub menu all I see is a black screen and Grub shows up again. Removed quiet and splash from the boot parameters and nothing happens. The kernel is 3.8.0-19 and the machine is a Lenovo laptop 3000-G530. [01:30] ntzrmtthihu777, yeah. right now swapping between catching up on reddit and making dinner [01:30] got the src downloaded [01:30] seronis: aight, just name spam me when you're ready. [01:31] ntzrmtthihu777, well if its not more than 5 minutes i can do it now [01:31] reddit will be here tomorrow (and forever) [01:32] first question.. does xubuntu support any feature to open a terminal from a specific directory window to set it as the PWD ? [01:32] didnt notice anything like that when doing a quick browse of the settings earlier [01:33] things that are easily googlable i dont mind 'google it' as an answer =-) [01:35] ntzrmtthihu777, btw i downloaded both the sfml2.0 tarball and the sfml-master.zip linked to from the source download page [01:35] you could hotkey the command to it. [01:36] the source download doesnt mention 2.0, so i assume thats just a nightly release ? [01:36] eg "gnome-terminal ~/Pictures" in ubuntu [01:37] seronis: what is the name of the tarball? [01:37] SFML-2.0-linux-gcc-64bits.tar.bz2 [01:38] yeah, that should be the one you want. [01:39] my question is, if ubufox is for the unity panel, why does xubuntu come with it? [01:39] * seronis shrugs [01:40] hmm.. the tarball has a completely different layout than the unversioned zip [01:41] whats the layout [01:42] nvm.. it doesnt have the source at all, just the headers [01:43] it has ./include ./lib and ./share at the root level [01:43] there is a cmake folder in the ./share [01:43] is there a src folder at all? [01:44] nope [01:44] there is one in the unversioned source download [01:44] its just the source download didnt specify a version on the url or in the zip name [01:44] hm. [01:44] meh [01:44] I see a sfml-2.0-sources.zip [01:44] brb, soda [01:45] and.. nvm.. i should have read the beginning of the url name [01:45] its listed directly to the master branch in github [01:45] * seronis facepalms [01:45] i dont use github much but still should have realized which version it would refer to [01:47] so its the latest on the master branch, you said you're in the forums a lot.. would that be best or manually grab the 2.0 tagged zip ? [01:48] (sorry for confusion, i dont use any revision control often) [01:52] back [01:53] I like to git clone myself, but its a matter of prefernce. [02:19] ntzrmtthihu777, sorry back too. chicken out of oven so im free now [02:20] alrighty :D [02:21] havent used git outside a gui.. so i dont mind using whatever method you deem best (or just preferred) [02:21] already installed git packages anyways [02:22] i think my biggest problem is just a lack of intimate knowledge of the directory layout of linux [02:22] so im not confident putting something somewhere wont cause issues down the road [02:23] I place all my source code in ~/.src [02:23] the make install command should do all the placing for you. [02:23] hidden folder ? [02:24] yup. its nearby when I open a terminal, but it does not bug my eyes when I use thunar [02:24] kk [02:26] ntzrmtthihu777, your preference to run me through the repo clone or just grab the 2.0 branch from github and untar it ? [02:26] I usually git clone, but like I said I operate most heavy duty stuff in terminal [02:27] i have no fear of the terminal and would prefer to get more used to it anyways [02:28] do so, it has a high payout [02:28] ntzrmtthihu777, ok.. you recommend master branch or 2.0 tag then (since you said you're a forum user there) [02:29] either or. I used the master tarball the first time. [02:30] I would suggest you use the windows rc if you want to set up a cross-to-win32 compilation environment. [02:31] it has all the headers and such precompiled; you can easily copy them to the mingw include and lib directories. [02:32] naw.. for now windows is completely purged from my laptop [02:35] true, but perhaps you should like to dev for windows. [02:36] so.. [02:36] git clone https://github.com/LaurentGomila/SFML.git [02:36] yup. [02:37] hmm.. http request failed error [02:37] trying git:// syntax [02:37] now i get a better error [02:37] "gethub is offline for maintenance" [02:37] * seronis facepalms [02:38] guess i'll try again later =-) [02:38] XD [02:39] status.github.com says it will be down under 10 minutes [02:43] gotta hate dat, but it happens. [02:45] yup. but cloning now [02:47] ntzrmtthihu777, so. next step (if you're still around) [02:48] yesh. [02:48] do you have cmake installed? if not, do so. [02:48] done [02:49] cd into the git dir. [02:49] done [02:49] a cmake dir is visible from here [02:49] and all the others [03:02] sorry, hadda go make a sammich :3 [03:02] run cmake . just inside the git dir, do not cd into the src or any others. [03:02] kk [03:07] ntzrmtthihu777, there was a couple errors on running cmake. posted them via PM [03:07] kk [03:16] sudo apt-get install libglew-dev [03:16] didnt work without -dev [03:17] and its bringing in a lot of other dependancies [03:19] still going [03:19] had to pull in xrandr and its deps [03:19] yeah, part of the game. and you need -dev in most cases; these packages include the developement headers needed for compilation. [03:23] ok.. half dozen others and now cmake worked [03:23] freetype openal sndfile ... .... [03:23] found all the package names though [03:23] k, if cmake worked run make. [03:24] whats the point of '.' in cmake? isnt that just the 'this directory' marker ? [03:24] yup, but cmake has no common sense XD [03:24] kk. make done [03:25] ok, now you have 2 options. one make install and not be able to uninstall, or two install checkinstall so it builds you a .deb you can remove if you like. [03:25] sudo make install [03:25] ? [03:26] so... [03:26] sudo install checkinstall [03:26] yeah, that will do it; although I heartily reccommend you install checkinstall and run sudo checkinstall -D make install [03:26] and then just doubleclick the generated .deb [03:26] no, sudo apt-get install checkinstall [03:27] "install checkinstall" first, and no other arguments? sorry but not familiar with creating my own packages so just being careful [03:31] No. checkinstall is a package via apt-get/etc; you need to install it first. [03:31] oh.. heh [03:31] done [03:32] and now "sudo checkinstall -D make install" [03:34] and sorry.. the first time i was reading 'install checkinstall' as a command.. not a suggestion [03:34] im.. very literal sometimes [03:35] heh, it happens. [03:36] yes, run that, then you can rename the deb if you like. I named it sfml2.0-dev [03:38] "Some of the files created by the installation are inside the home directory: /home" [03:38] "you probably dont want to include them. want to list them? [n]" [03:38] just press enter and ignore ? [03:42] n [03:43] then it shall ask if you want to exclude some files, choose y [03:43] then same answers for those in the 'build directory' ? [03:47] looks like it succeeded fine. help is much appreciated and now im at least a tiny familiar with making a deb [03:51] :3 yeah, I learned too. but on buntu you are better of learning how to build a ppa :P [04:12] ntzrmtthihu777, thanks again. got polyvox library setup and a deb to be able to remove it too [04:14] if i can repeat it once i prob have it retained well. [04:15] yep :D [05:39] hello everyone [05:39] I`m using xubuntu 12.04 [05:40] and i have two layouts for keyboard. [05:40] now i wanna know how can i switch between my layouts via keyboard? [06:26] Hello, world. [06:27] I'm looking for quick advice on how to uninstall software on Xubuntu. I can't find synaptic or any kind of interface to uninstall programs/apps... [06:28] <[uzver]> InboxTaken: u can install synaptic, or use ubuntu software center [06:28] !apt-get [06:28] APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome), !Muon (KDE) or !Apper (KDE) [06:29] [uzver] & bazhang: Thanks, I'll try this out. :) [06:29] InboxTaken: run sudp apt-get install synaptic [06:29] then you will find synaptic [06:29] otherwise remove from commmand line but synaptic is less tedious :) [06:29] *sudo apt-get [06:29] not sudp - sorry [06:30] yo ubottu [06:30] hi ubottu [06:30] aiena: Thanks, trying that right now [06:30] your welcome [06:31] on 13.0.4 its not installed by default [06:31] on 12.0.4 its there by default. [06:32] aiena: Interesting. I'm using synaptic right now, is there an easy way to isolate which packages go with which software? [06:33] wait you have synpatic [06:33] the dependencies are automatically installed [06:33] InboxTaken: which software do you want to install ? [06:33] aiena: I'm trying to uninstall actually lol [06:33] synaptics heps you install packages of software but is a package itself [06:34] ok which one do you want to uninstal [06:34] the procedure is almost the same [06:34] Minecraft amongst other things [06:34] ok [06:34] open synaptics [06:34] yep [06:34] ok on the top right there is a search box [06:34] type minecraft there [06:35] Yep, there are a few packages that show up. [06:35] Should I assume that's the way to go for each software? [06:35] And delete each package that comes up in a search of the software's name? [06:35] yes except for certain unusual cases [06:35] like PPA's or custom installs [06:35] but mostly yes [06:35] Awesome, thanks a ton [06:36] as long as you use direct methods. [06:36] if you are compiling from source too you can uninstall with synaptics [06:36] Eh, it's not letting me mark it for uninstallation... o.O [06:36] provided you use checkinstall as a replacement for makeinstall in the instructiobns online [06:36] InboxTaken: hmm [06:36] printscreen please [06:37] I mean print screen without the error [06:37] it's likely that when you've finished installing what you think you should - you'll finish up with a new list of things to uninstall in autoremovable [06:38] yes [06:38] in that case you can run sudo apt-get autoremove [06:38] but thats not needed to remove minecraft elfy right [06:38] it just removes the superfluos extra stuff [06:38] yea [06:39] lets find out why InboxTaken can't remove mi9necraft [06:39] strange... all four of those packages show up in the "not installed" section [06:39] InboxTaken: can you post a screenshot of your search results in synaptic on imagebin ? [06:39] InboxTaken: they are not ticked [06:39] in synpatic [06:39] ? [06:40] Nope [06:40] But Minecraft is still installed which makes little sense [06:40] and is mark of installation option available in the menu ? [06:40] aiena: yes [06:40] OK THAT MEANS MINECRAFT IS INSTALLED [06:40] Bah captials [06:40] sorry [06:40] but there is no package created for uninstallation [06:40] this is one of the exceptional cases [06:41] InboxTaken: do you have the site from which you installed minecraft ? [06:41] I am guessing you must have compiled it yourself [06:41] aiena: not off the top of my head :/ I believe I must have [06:41] just check browser history [06:41] and show me the page [06:42] twas a while back [06:42] and I'll give you some tips for next time. [06:42] hold on though i'm figuring out how to link you that screenshot [06:42] hmm screenshot [06:42] is not needed [06:42] synpatics wont help in this case [06:42] now that I understand your issue [06:42] just see if you can find the site [06:43] http://i.imgur.com/Gy04mUs.png [06:43] aiena: I'll start looking [06:43] thats the only way I can help you (hopefully) in this case. [06:43] But in the mean time, I gather installing is significantly easier than uninstalling? [06:44] nope [06:44] its how you install [06:44] in the future [06:44] if you are buiding fropm source [06:45] or using not standard pacckages e.g. you want the latest version 4.2 of xxx but the default packages in xubuntu are 3.4 xxx and you build from source. [06:45] the instruction typically say to use make install after make [06:45] Is the java script I used to update useful at all? [06:45] but dont use make install [06:45] you used a javascript ??? [06:46] hmmm [06:46] yeah Minecraft runs on java [06:46] trying to get rid of the fucker is harder than imagined lol [06:46] in your case [06:46] since you did the other install [06:46] you will have to delete minecraft files [06:46] induvidually which is a pain [06:46] from all directories [06:46] (sigh) [06:47] I feel sorry [06:47] anyways in the future this all can be avoided [06:47] lol definitely [06:47] InboxTaken: do you have too many apllications etc on your comp customised conky scripts and bla bla bla [06:47] aiena: so how exactly do I brute force the deletion? If it's a simple routine I'm down with manual labor [06:47] no brute force [06:48] the brute force was synaptics [06:48] oh shit [06:48] one sec [06:48] did you unzip minecraft ? [06:48] into one folder and run the script from there ? [06:48] or is it all over the place. [06:49] !language | InboxTaken [06:49] InboxTaken: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [06:49] hi there [06:49] I honestly couldn't tell you... I remember trying various things to install it on linux and it turned out that it didn't work out. I've waited a bit too long to uninstall the thing if you ask me. [06:49] there is one thing that irritates me a lot about xubuntu [06:49] that every half a year [06:49] during a release upgrade [06:49] all the software that I removed [06:49] gets installed again [06:49] interesting [06:49] such as abiword and a bazillion of other packages [06:50] InboxTaken: Oopsy [06:50] because abiword is a basic xubuntu component [06:50]