[05:23] <kbmonkey_> morning
[05:39] <Squirm> morning
[05:41] <Trixar_za> Morning Squirm
[05:42] <squ> oh my
[05:43] <Kilos> morning Trixar_za Squirm 
[05:44] <Kilos> wbb
[06:59] <superfly> ohi
[07:06] <Kilos> hi superhow are you feeling today
[07:06] <Kilos> ?
[07:07] <Kilos> ive fixed my kubuntu. ty for reminding about the purge thingie
[07:08] <Kilos> purged all i could find on nvidia kdm xserver xorg then installed xserver xorg kdm and everything worked again, even startx
[07:09] <Kilos> now installed nvidia-current so all good
[07:10] <Kilos> that gdm i saw musta been in maverick because i tried to purge it too but not found hehe
[07:10] <Kilos> hi morgs
[07:11] <morgs> Morning Kilos and *
[07:17] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:19] <Vince-0> heo
[07:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[07:20] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:22] <Kilos> oh my i read back and got a superhow not superfly
[07:23] <Kilos> sorry konversation does differnt things to xchat
[07:23] <Kilos> different
[07:26] <superfly> Kilos: glad you came right Kilos
[07:26] <Kilos> ty
[07:27] <Kilos> thats all i see funny now
[07:28] <Kilos> only here it also says /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpoppler.so.19 is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start
[07:28] <Kilos> whatever that might mean
[07:29] <zeref> hey guys
[07:29] <Kilos> will have to get harry potter to come fix that cause i dunno magic stuff
[07:29] <Kilos> hi zeref 
[07:30] <inetpro> good morning 
[07:30] <inetpro> oh and good morning Kilos
[07:30] <Kilos> hello goosie
[07:30] <Kilos> lol
[07:30]  * inetpro is baie boos
[07:30] <Kilos> still cheeky i see
[07:30] <Kilos> hoekom?
[07:30] <inetpro> that monkey
[07:30]  * Kilos forgets boos
[07:30] <inetpro> killed another 5 chickens
[07:31] <Kilos> ai!
[07:31] <inetpro> this time he got inside the closed coup
[07:31] <Kilos> you havent got sleeping pills yet??
[07:31] <Kilos> hey
[07:31] <inetpro> looks like he killed for the fun
[07:31] <Kilos> eish
[07:31] <inetpro> took one of them out into the tree
[07:32] <zeref> I've got a program that uses sqlite, is it better to open the db connection at the start ot the program and close the connection when I close the connection, or open close conneciton per sql query?
[07:38] <Kilos> idoesnt it open on its own
[07:38] <Kilos> i know ibid uses sqlite and does its own work with it
[07:46] <charl> good morning
[07:46] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:46]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:47] <charl> apparently i was right to not upgrade to ubuntu 13.04 and the linux 3.8 kernel
[07:47] <charl> i would have had problems: http://mergy.org/2013/03/three-tips-to-get-vmware-workstation-9-going-on-kernel-3-8-0/
[07:48] <Kilos> Maaz: coffee please
[07:48] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[07:49] <Kilos> ai! charl ya lucky
[07:50] <charl> nah just careful :)
[07:50] <Kilos> i always try new releases on a spare drive first
[07:50] <charl> that's a good idea
[07:50] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[07:50] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:50] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[07:50] <Kilos> lol but 13.04 looked good here
[07:51] <Kilos> Maaz: dankie
[07:51] <Maaz> Groot plesier Kilos my vriend
[07:51] <charl> lol
[07:51] <Kilos> only too much eye candy with unity
[07:52] <Kilos> made for modern pc's methinks
[07:52] <Kilos> fast with lotsa ram
[07:55] <trender> (.)(.)
[07:55] <trender>   _
[07:56] <superfly> zeref: always hold the connection open for as long as possible
[07:57] <trender> mornin
[07:57] <Kilos> hi trender 
[07:57] <trender> yo dude
[08:02] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:04] <Kilos> fixed kde
[08:04] <Kilos> yay
[08:04] <magespawn> cool beans
[08:04] <Kilos> but something is lying to me
[08:04] <charl> guten morgen meine leute
[08:05] <Kilos> remastersys says the iso is saved at /home/remastersys/remastersys/custom-backup.iso 
[08:05] <Kilos> but i cant find it anywhere
[08:07] <Kilos> and its 3.8 gig so woulda made a lekker live dvd
[08:10] <magespawn> hey charl
[09:20] <magespawn> Kilos: you still there?
[09:20] <Kilos> yessir
[09:20] <Kilos> i dont split
[09:20] <magespawn> man the power is like a yo yo here today
[09:20] <Kilos> aw
[09:37] <Kilos> oh my 8ta speed hit 275 KiB/s
[09:38] <Kilos> 293.5
[09:38] <Kilos> yay
[09:40] <magespawn> cool Kilos, wonder what they did to change it?
[09:41] <Kilos> they just gotta make sure everything is as it should be
[09:41] <Kilos> maintenance
[09:42] <magespawn> sad that they wait till somebody kicks up a fuss before doing something
[09:43] <Kilos> i think they just need a bit of pushing now and again magespawn 
[09:43] <Kilos> yeah but thats human nature
[09:43] <Kilos> dont do today what you can leave till tomorrow
[09:43] <Kilos> modern human nature that is
[09:45] <magespawn> i try to stay away from that sort of behaviour
[09:47] <Kilos> yeah bad news
[09:47] <Kilos> old was was other way around
[09:48] <Kilos> you see the thing is they still get paid if they work hard or slack so why worry
[10:14] <magespawn> indeed, i need to find a job like that for myself
[10:15] <magespawn> then i can play with my computer all day long
[10:16] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Kilos> funny hey magespawn they told me they had upgraded this tower to 12 meg
[10:45] <Kilos> 12 meg is nothing
[10:46] <magespawn> maybe they made a mistake
[10:49] <Kilos> ?
[10:49] <Kilos> maybe its something in the tower that had maybe 6 meg before
[10:52] <tonberryE352> mbit/s of data uplink perhaps?
[10:54] <Kilos> ?
[10:55] <tonberryE352> maybe they gave the tower a faster internet connection
[10:57] <Kilos> i really dont know but since they did the upgrade my connection sucked
[10:58] <Kilos> only now its getting better again 
[11:08] <Kilos> well http://speedtest.mybroadband.co.za/ shows its 1 mb/s faster than yesterday
[11:09] <Kilos> but nm still showing only 2 bars
[11:13] <Kilos> maybe a coupla more fone calls can boost that too
[11:13] <Kilos> wb drussell 
[11:40] <charl> wow that speed test service on mybroadband.co.za is terribly slow, even the international one
[11:41] <Kilos> hi jma
[11:41] <Kilos> grrr
[11:43] <charl> it's interesting to watch http://www.ookla.com/ and see where speed tests are being performed in real time
[11:44] <Kilos> my speed shows as 2.34mb/s
[11:44] <Kilos> was down to 1.2
[11:44] <charl> i keep the map open for a while and you start seeing the best connected countries in orange
[11:45] <charl> i am surprised at how well europe is doing compared to north america
[11:47] <charl> the "last 24 hours" option ia also interesting
[12:10] <charl> i'm off, have a good weekend all!
[13:56] <Kilos> hey magespawn you still here?
[14:02] <magespawn> yup
[14:02] <magespawn> busy getting some software
[14:10] <Kilos> i just wanted support to try remastersys on kde again
[14:10] <Kilos> if i crash them you to blame 
[14:10] <Kilos> hehe
[14:10] <Kilos> worked so lekker on unity, i dunno what could be wrong
[14:12] <magespawn> i have never used remastersys
[14:13] <Kilos> it make a full system backup on a dvd
[14:13] <Kilos> makes and installable iso
[14:14] <Kilos> i tried it when maverick was young but didnt have a dvdwriter yet so gave up
[14:15] <Kilos> cd is always too small for a working ubntu\
[14:15] <Kilos> ubuntu
[14:15] <Kilos> but now im bang it crashes my kde again
[14:16] <magespawn> do you know what happened last time?
[14:17] <Kilos> the xserver and xorg an nvidia stuff stopped working
[14:18] <Kilos> was a major purge operation and renstall of them
[14:18] <Kilos> but luckily with the nm script it goes online before gui starts
[14:19] <Kilos> so its like working on a server
[14:20] <Kilos> remastersys runs as root methinks so can get in everywhere
[14:45] <magespawn> why did they stop working? any idea?
[14:46] <magespawn> sorry for the lonf wait in replies, i am working on some machines the local spar want to donate to a school
[14:46] <magespawn> a/lonf/long
[14:52] <magespawn> maybe have the remastersys create an iso image rather than write it to a dvd
[14:57] <Kilos> ya it creates the iso then you burn it to cd. but here on kde i cant even find it
[14:57] <Kilos> and it says its in home
[14:57] <Kilos> grrr
[14:57] <Kilos> no rush lad
[14:57] <magespawn> strange
[15:01] <Kilos> yeah
[15:01] <Kilos> lol
[15:01] <Kilos> kde gets stroppy at times
[15:01] <magespawn> what did you call the iso?
[15:02] <Kilos> it calls itself custom-backup.iso
[15:02] <Kilos> maybe if i run it again it will popup
[15:02] <Kilos> hehe
[15:03] <magespawn> or search for that file name
[15:06] <magespawn> you can open dolphin and click the binocs, type in the file name to search for it
[15:06] <magespawn> brb just going to restart
[15:07] <Kilos> i tried it dont find it
[15:13] <Kilos> it also gives a full log of what it does magespawn 
[15:16] <Kilos> there is an example
[15:16] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s21GdGEpEj
[15:16] <Kilos> also you need to apt-get clean  so you cache does make the iso too big for the dvd
[15:17] <Kilos> and remove large files/folders from desktop
[15:17] <Kilos> or home. like movies etc
[15:18] <Kilos> otherwise it tells you there isnt enough space on the device
[15:19] <Kilos> but it makes a lovely live dvd
[15:20] <Kilos> i spose you can put it on  a stick as well
[15:22] <Kilos> if you find it that is. wasnt a prob on unity. maybe the crash had something to do with it
[15:22] <magespawn> lets have a google
[15:23] <Kilos> for what?
[15:24] <Kilos> i tried but only found kbuntu installer crashed not remastersys crashed kubuntu
[15:24] <Kilos> hehe
[15:24] <Kilos> oh by google you mean look
[15:28] <Kilos> oh superfly i think this kde start looking different because i have installed kubuntu-full here
[15:31] <magespawn> can not find anything usuful on the net
[15:31] <Kilos> nope
[15:32] <Kilos> maybe its only by me as usual
[15:55] <magespawn> i am out of here for now, later Kilos.
[15:56] <Kilos> go safe magespawn 
[16:15] <Cantide> hello everyone! '-'/
[16:22] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:22] <Cantide> hello :)
[16:29] <superfly> tumbleweed: any idea how to get a wireless card to connect without networkmanager (nm bombs because dbus is not installed, apparently the upgrade process did not complete properly despite it telling me it did)
[16:41] <tumbleweed> superfly: what kind of security?
[16:41]  * superfly has figured out how to get wpa_supplicant supposedly working
[16:41] <superfly> tumbleweed: not 100% sure
[16:41] <superfly> WPA something or other
[16:42] <tumbleweed> ok, you need wpa_supplicant then
[16:42] <tumbleweed> if it's WEP or open, then you only need iwconfig
[16:42] <superfly> yup, I've got wpa_supplicant
[16:42] <superfly> I think I've got it configured correctly
[16:43] <superfly> I followed this: http://www.linuxhomenetworking.com/wiki/index.php/Quick_HOWTO_:_Ch13_:_Linux_Wireless_Networking#Further_WPA_Configuration_Steps_-_Debian_.2F_Ubuntu
[16:43] <superfly> ah, WPA-PSK
[16:43] <superfly> same as in that guide
[16:43] <tumbleweed> that sounds likely
[16:44] <tumbleweed> but I wouldn't bother trying to build a permenant setup, like that
[16:44] <superfly> the interface starts up, but dhcp never gets an IP address
[16:44] <tumbleweed> just get yourself online and fix your system
[16:44] <superfly> no, not at all
[16:44] <superfly> exactly
[16:44] <tumbleweed> so, run wpa_supplicant with debugging on, and see what it says
[16:45] <tumbleweed> it'll know if it authenticated successfully or not
[16:48] <superfly> I don't think it is...
[16:50] <tumbleweed> right, so figure that out
[16:51] <tumbleweed> there are some example configurations in /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/examples/
[16:51] <tumbleweed> if it's a home router, it'll be some flavour of WPA-PSK
[16:52] <superfly> ya
[16:53] <superfly> actually, it's an Apple "AirHub" or something
[16:54] <superfly> I just checked on my netbook, it's using WPA-PSK
[16:55] <tumbleweed> so, the question is whether it's TKIP or CCMP
[16:55] <tumbleweed> that's about it, if it's still not working, you forgot to bring the interface up, your passphrase is wrong, or you aren't pointing at the right config file
[16:56] <superfly> TKIP
[16:56] <tumbleweed> err, and I suppose, whether it's WPA or WPA2
[16:56] <superfly> 1
[16:56] <tumbleweed> sounds likely, if it's using TKIP
[16:57] <superfly> that's what my netbook says, and since it's the same network, I would think it is correct
[16:58] <tumbleweed> does it look like it's trying, at least?
[16:59] <superfly> yes, it looks like it's trying, but I don't see a success message
[17:00] <tumbleweed> I assume you already checked rfkill?
[17:01] <tumbleweed> (on some cards, only transmit is disabled by rfkill)
[17:04] <superfly> never heard of rfkill, but it says that my card is neither softblocked nor hardblocked
[17:07] <tumbleweed> good
[17:08] <tumbleweed> you compared the logs with the happy machine? to figure out how much progress it actually made?
[17:16] <superfly> no, I can look for logs
[17:17] <superfly> I'm seeing an error that might be related though... "Driver did not support SIOCSIWENCODEEXT"
[17:17] <superfly> busy googling to see if I can find a solution
[17:18] <tumbleweed> you sure you pointing it at the right device?
[17:22] <superfly> yes, but I'm wondering if the driver is wrong
[17:22] <superfly> I had to compile a driver for the nic pre-quantal
[17:22] <superfly> then in quantal it magically worked with the driver in the repos (a slightly different driver)
[17:23] <tumbleweed> ah
[17:23] <tumbleweed> what card is it?
[17:23] <superfly> Ralink RT3060
[17:23] <superfly> the driver that is loaded is the rt2800
[17:26] <superfly> this is a desktop machine with a PCI wireless card
[17:30] <superfly> looks like that's the right driver
[17:31] <tumbleweed> ah, never used one of those
[17:36] <superfly> tumbleweed: does the alternate cd no longer exist?
[17:36] <tumbleweed> nope. But given network connectivity, the mini iso is equivalent
[17:37] <superfly> uhuh
[17:37] <tumbleweed> sounds like you want a USB ethernet adaptor, though (I'm assuming the problem is the lack of ethernet)
[17:39] <superfly> yeah. KDE is not working due to a lack of dbus, therefore no GUI
[17:39] <superfly> I need to get dbus installed somehow
[17:39] <tumbleweed> and your only connectivity option is wifi?
[17:40] <superfly> in essence, yes
[17:40] <tumbleweed> why in essence?
[17:40] <superfly> I have my networking stuff upstairs, and we don't have a cable long enough to reach downstairs
[17:40] <superfly> hence the wireless
[17:41] <tumbleweed> ah
[17:41] <superfly> I might be able to get something working though
[17:41] <tumbleweed> bridge from a laptop
[17:41] <tumbleweed> or, I think one can use an android phone as a bridge
[17:42] <superfly> hrm, i had briefly thought of that, but i wasn't sure if i'd be able to do it
[17:42] <superfly> let me see
[17:42] <Tonberry> with an android phone?
[17:42] <tumbleweed> they support USB tethering
[17:42] <superfly> oh wow, that was easy
[17:43]  * superfly smacks his forehead
[17:43] <tumbleweed> and when the phone's wifi is on, you can tether to your wireless AP
[17:43] <superfly> should have tried that in the beginning
[17:43] <tumbleweed> success :)
[17:43] <Tonberry> It will NAT wifi?
[17:43] <tumbleweed> still, figuring out wpa_supplicant pays off in emergencies
[17:44] <tumbleweed> Tonberry: can't remember if it NATs or bridges in that situation
[17:44] <Tonberry> whichever, pretty useful
[17:44] <superfly> it puts my wife's computer on my network, and stuff works
[17:44] <superfly> that is all i need
[17:44] <tumbleweed> heh
[17:51] <superfly> yay, got the GUI back
[17:52] <superfly> had to reinstall qdbus, for some reason the binary was missing/corrupted/something
[17:57] <superfly> and now the wireless network magically works too
[18:11] <tumbleweed> good
[18:39] <magespawn> good evening all
[18:40] <Kilos> lo magespawn 
[18:40] <magespawn> what up?
[18:41] <Kilos> ram remaster again but cant find the iso again'hehe
[18:41] <Kilos> kde makes me gray
[18:43] <Kilos> most likely wont boot to gui again
[18:43] <Kilos> grrr
[18:50] <magespawn> Kilos: at least you know what to do to fix it
[18:52] <Kilos> found it yay
[18:52] <Kilos> will first burn the dvd before i try a reboot
[18:52] <Kilos> hi georgelappies 
[18:55] <georgelappies> hi Kilos
[19:23] <Kilos> it worked magespawn got my dvd
[19:23] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:46] <magespawn> good night all
[20:41] <Vince-0> heyo
[20:42] <Vince-0> ag look at the time
[20:43] <Vince-0> downloading makululinux from mega at max line speed
[20:43] <kbmonkey> hello
[20:43] <kbmonkey> makululinux? that's new to me :)
[20:43] <kbmonkey> busy setting up my android development environment
[20:44] <kbmonkey> got a test app running on the emulator, and on my phone so far :)
[20:44] <Vince-0> naas
[20:44] <Vince-0> do we see you at the meet tomorrow?
[20:45] <kbmonkey> yes!
[20:45] <Vince-0> ya some guy in Joburg, Jaque Reymer rolled his own distro with like 4 desktop environments
[20:45] <Vince-0> do you run the latest eclipse and android SDK ?
[20:46] <kbmonkey> I just got the ADT bundle from developer.android.com it includes eclipse and all the tools
[20:46] <Vince-0> I'd like to see that, cooler as eke
[20:46] <Vince-0> im out! 
[20:46] <kbmonkey> cheers man!
[21:04] <superfly> kbmonkey: Have you looked at Google App Engine at all?
[21:11] <kbmonkey> I've read through it superfly but never built anything using it
[21:12] <superfly> kbmonkey: it's pretty cool. it's like Amazon EC2 but without all the sysadmin
[21:12] <superfly> you just deploy your app, and you don't care about servers or load balancing or anything else like that
[21:15] <kbmonkey> I was impressed with all the API's they offer through it too