[01:15] <smartboyhw> Damn build failure of our first saucy image. 
[02:05] <smartboyhw> What the hell? Saucy's daily image is even smaller than Raring…
[10:45] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Ping
[10:58] <zequence> smartboyhw_: pong
[10:59] <smartboyhw_> zequence: So, as per jussi's suggestion, should we send out an e-mail to former Ubuntu Studio members for some history of Ubuntu Studio?
[11:00] <zequence> smartboyhw_: If you are willing to work on this, you should feel free to do so, yes
[11:01] <zequence> smartboyhw_: If you want some feedback or help, just let me know
[11:01] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Em I thought you would:P Should we draft up some EOL announcement for Ubuntu Studio 10.04 & 11.10?
[11:02] <zequence> smartboyhw_: I have plenty of things to do already
[11:03] <smartboyhw_> zequence: And I have a full load of tests and exam coming up:P
[11:03] <smartboyhw_> Next week 6 tests s***
[11:03] <zequence> Seems like no one has the time then
[11:03] <zequence> If you find this item imporant, I would document it for later
[11:04] <smartboyhw_> zequence: OK. Maybe I can do the EOL thing
[11:04] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Please do. It sort of falls within your responsibilities as release manager
[11:05] <zequence> smartboyhw_: If you don't have time, do tell. School is more important
[11:06] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Yep. Speaking about history, sounds like there's a gap. In the TeamStructure wiki, After the final edit in 2008 there was an edit in May 2010, then it was your edit as ailo.at in May 2012 :O
[11:09] <smartboyhw_> May 2010 -> Sep 2010
[11:11] <zequence> The wiki has seen very little organizational effort probably since 2008
[11:12] <zequence> I've done work on it in periods, during 2012 and 2013
[11:12] <smartboyhw_> zequence: I rather want to see if madeinkobaia and/or DarkEra want to do the history part:P
[11:13] <zequence> smartboyhw_: You could add a workitem for it somehwere in the blueprints
[11:13] <zequence> Seems to fall in under documentation
[11:15] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Shall do. Heh, sounds like the Studio team was quite messy in Oneiric cycle (looking at their release notes)
[11:16] <zequence> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntustudio/+spec/topic-ubuntustudio-documentation
[11:17] <zequence> I accidentally duplicated all my mail 4 times
[11:17] <zequence> Took my filtering the whole night to finish
[11:18] <smartboyhw_> zequence: lol. In the blueprint, why do we have "Release Team Meeting Minutes" in the whiteboard?
[11:18] <zequence> Now it works, at least. And mutt has a nice ability do delete duplicates --- IMAP Hell
[11:18] <smartboyhw_> minutes -> info
[11:21] <smartboyhw_> I don't think the "Release Team" needs meetings zequence, you mean the whole team?
[11:22] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Not written by me, most probably
[11:23] <zequence> Don't worry about it. It's old, and needs to be reorganized
[11:23] <zequence> ..when I get there
[11:23] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Oh…
[11:56] <smartboyhw> zequence: Check your mailbox. Hello DarkEra:)
[11:56] <DarkEra> heya guys
[12:03] <zequence> smartboyhw: One of my favorite virtues is being short and concise. I would prefer a EOL notice that simply stated the pure facts
[12:04] <zequence> A B have reached EOL. This means that these releases will not be receiving updates or support after <date>
[12:04] <zequence> something like that
[12:05] <zequence> DarkEra: Hi
[12:06] <DarkEra> zequence, how about replacing the menu icon logo with the new blue white logo for saucy
[12:09] <zequence> DarkEra: madeinkobaia is our art lead, and the plan is that we work out something nice for 14.04
[12:09] <zequence> He will lead the work towards that
[12:09] <zequence> This might mean all artwork will be updated
[12:10] <zequence> Anything from logos to desktop themes
[12:10] <DarkEra> that's awesome news, thanks for letting know
[12:12] <zequence> 13.10 could include updated art as well, if there is any, and we feel it would be ok to do that, but the big goal is 14.04
[12:12] <zequence> Actually, I'm putting all my effort on 14.04, and seeing 13.10 more as a chance to try things out
[12:13] <zequence> Considering the discussions before 13.04 release, on the prospect of rolling release, I'm not fully confident there will be a 13.10
[12:16] <DarkEra> 13.10 will be released, i don't think that Mark will switch to a rolling release at all
[12:16] <DarkEra> afaik he wiped the idea off the table
[12:20] <DarkEra> i'm looking forward to what we can try out with 13.10. 
[12:21] <zequence> It's not really up to him though
[12:22] <zequence> But, considering there was already a change in reducing support, it might not be such a hot topic fro 13.10
[12:22] <zequence> While, what happens after 14.04 is again not certain
[12:22] <DarkEra> hmmm... true
[12:24] <zequence> I seem to have a german keyboard layout for mutt
[12:24] <zequence> y and x have traded places
[12:30] <smartboyhw> zequence: OK
[12:31] <smartboyhw> zequence: So what paragraphs you wanna delete?
[12:32] <smartboyhw> zequence: Ubuntu did say they will not put in many features into 14.04 LTS
[12:32] <smartboyhw> zequence: Should we ask DarkEra to try to work on the history?
[12:34] <DarkEra> LTS were always a collection of new features of the previous releases that got more polished
[12:34] <zequence> You guys are probably talking about Unity as far as LTS goes
[12:35] <zequence> Not the same as Ubuntu
[12:35] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: What I thought is that we need to have a usable prototype version of new apps in 13.10
[12:35] <smartboyhw> zequence: ^
[12:35] <zequence> We don't need more planning efforts right now
[12:36] <zequence> We need more people working on development
[12:36] <zequence> There's plenty of things to do already
[12:36] <zequence> When I get there, I'll work some more on the blueprints
[12:36] <zequence> Right now, I'm learning mutt
[12:37] <DarkEra> mutt?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> zequence: You think I should try to reference https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-October/000165.html? And what is mutt?
[12:37] <zequence> mutt is an email client
[12:37] <zequence> cli program
[12:37] <smartboyhw> zequence: Oh
[12:37] <DarkEra> i see, it sounded familiar
[12:37]  * smartboyhw likes GUIs for e-mails
[12:38] <zequence> GUIS work fine, if you have the application on your client machine, unlike me
[12:38] <zequence> Besides, you can't script google mail
[12:39] <zequence> mutt + imapfilter is what I'm trying to get together right now. I'm planning a sort of developer setup, which makes keeping track of hundreds of mail lists easier
[12:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you want my advice, make it as short as you possibly can. I hate reading text for no reason
[12:40] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you want my advice, make it as short as you possibly can. I hate reading text for no reason
[12:42] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Try to view the doc again, I have shorted it.
[12:43] <smartboyhw_> *shortened
[12:43] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Looks fine. I would make it shorter still, but now I find all the text informative and having a specific purpose
[12:44] <zequence> ..which is the important things
[12:44] <zequence> IMO
[12:46] <smartboyhw_> zequence: \o/
[12:50] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Plz suggest a subject for that announcement (short enough):P
[12:50] <DarkEra> zequence, anything i can get into this evening as preparation on the development involvement?
[12:52] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, EOL announcement?
[12:53] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: Yep for 10.04 LTS and 11.10
[12:53] <smartboyhw_> 9th May
[12:54] <DarkEra> Ubuntu Studio 10.04 LTS and 11.10 reach EOL 
[12:54] <DarkEra> done :)
[12:57] <smartboyhw_> DarkEra: zequence may want shorter (dunno)
[12:58] <DarkEra> smartboyhw_, 10.04 and 11.10 EOL
[12:58] <DarkEra> :P
[12:58] <zequence> DarkEra: What's you status on OS installs? Do you have a permanent install space for the development release?
[12:59] <zequence> DarkEra: At this time, you should be able to upgrade to 13.10, by doing: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[12:59] <DarkEra> zequence, i have 3 partitions on my laptop, one of them i use for testing as i did the last time. :)
[13:00] <zequence> DarkEra: Well, testing is different. For testing you want to use a clean install of the latest Ubuntu Studio
[13:00] <zequence> DarkEra: For development, you just want the development release, no matter which desktop system
[13:00] <zequence> So, you'll need one partition for each
[13:02] <DarkEra> zequence, no problem, i can easily set up a 4th partition
[13:02] <zequence> The reason why you want a separate dev platform is that you can have your stuff on there for longer periods
[13:02] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Srsly, does DarkEra's suggestion work?
[13:03] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Sure. A titel is just one line. And the one DarkEra suggests says the facts very plainly, no chance for confusion
[13:03] <smartboyhw_> zequence: First long one or the second short one?
[13:04] <zequence> smartboyhw_: This looked good to me "Ubuntu Studio 10.04 LTS and 11.10 reach EOL"
[13:04] <smartboyhw_> OK
[13:04] <zequence> smartboyhw_: Just think like this. If you are the reader, will you understand what the text is saying? And, when it comes to the body message, is it informing me of what I would like to know?
[13:05] <DarkEra> zequence, we'll chat later on again. I need to get to the postoffice before they close and do some shopping
[13:05] <smartboyhw_> zequence: Yep
[13:05] <zequence> DarkEra: Later then
[13:05] <smartboyhw_> I just want confirmation:P
[13:05] <DarkEra> laters guys :)
[15:51] <madeinkobaia> Hi all, I added a "box banner" for the 13.04 release out, you can see it here : http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-art/ubuntustudio-resources/art/view/head:/ON-AIR/ubuntu-studio_box-banner_1304_01_by_madeinkobaia.png
[15:58] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: awesome!
[15:59] <madeinkobaia> smartboyhw : Thanks :) Looks like a core processor no ?
[16:00] <smartboyhw> madeinkobaia: It does:)
[16:00] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, wow, that one looks awesome
[16:01] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Thanks mate.
[16:01] <DarkEra> :)
[16:01] <madeinkobaia> :)
[16:01] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:02] <DarkEra> i changed the menu logo on my machine by the way, using the logo from G+
[16:03] <madeinkobaia> darkera : Cool : ) 
[16:03] <madeinkobaia> be back later : )
[16:03] <DarkEra> ok :)
[16:05] <DarkEra> madeinkobaia, dunno if you guys can see it this way if not i'll upload it elsewhere: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-G2nrFq6fZiY/UYOotzZkkrI/AAAAAAAAAtI/RX37QDxXeAU/w245-h340/newubuntulogoinclude.png
[16:06] <smartboyhw> DarkEra: I like the original one more than yours
[16:06] <smartboyhw> Feels more simplr
[16:07] <smartboyhw> bbl, sleep
[16:08] <DarkEra> it's all a matter of personal taste of course. But i was thinking to follow the other buntu derivates and their logo's. Trying it just for fun
[16:16] <zequence> DarkEra: There hasn't been much focus on artwork for the last cycles, and historically, I don't think there ever was a perfect unitification in the artwork either. I think using that icon would have made sense for 13.04, but as for the future, I think that depends on what we have in a few months time, as far as new artwork is concerned
[16:17] <zequence> I would like a unified thematic experience for anything Ubuntu Studio, desktop theme, website, social channels, banners, etc..
[16:17] <holstein> is dick still the art lead?
[16:17] <zequence> holstein: No, madeinkobaia is
[16:17] <DarkEra> i'm totally in for that so i agree zequence 
[16:18] <zequence> I haven't heard from dick in a long time. Don't think he's been involved at all since before the release of 12.04
[16:18] <DarkEra> zequence, just to make sure... since i'm assigned to the ubuntu studio desktop gnome, is it necessary to develop that package on ubuntu gnome?
[16:18] <DarkEra> hi holstein 
[16:18] <holstein> DarkEra: o/
[16:19] <zequence> DarkEra: We'll base the list of dependencies on ubuntu-gnome-desktop
[16:20] <zequence> DarkEra: We only need to work with two sources, seeds and the meta package
[16:20] <zequence> DarkEra: But, before we do, you need to get a development installation first, and set up ssh and gpg keys
[16:20] <zequence> DarkEra: Let me know when you have a dev install ready, and we'll go from there
[16:21] <DarkEra> i'm a total newbie in this and very excited too to see where and how far i can get :)
[16:21] <DarkEra> zequence, then i'll go on and install ubuntu studio and upgrade uit to saucy
[16:21] <zequence> holstein: You can check out madeinkobaia's stuff on our social sites. He made the banners for the G+ and facebook pages
[16:22] <DarkEra> i will do that this evening for sure
[16:24] <DarkEra> one thing i hope for is that i can get a desktop pc this year so i can use the laptop for development and testing
[16:25] <holstein> dual boot...
[16:25] <DarkEra> triple boot already :
[16:25] <DarkEra> :)
[16:26] <zequence> I have octo, I think
[16:26] <holstein> sometimes, i just install to an external drive... a big USB stick, or a hard drive.. whatever
[16:50] <madeinkobaia> zequence said "I would like a unified thematic experience for anything Ubuntu Studio, desktop theme, website, social channels, banners, etc.." I am completely agree, its a huge work but its an essential thing to work on graphics, GU,etc with a global vision. IMO
[16:51] <madeinkobaia> "GUI" 
[16:51] <madeinkobaia> not GU ;)
[16:51] <DarkEra> i understood what you meant :)
[16:52] <madeinkobaia> holstein : Hello : )
[16:59] <DarkEra> switching to the netbook and start working on the partitions on the laptop, brb
[22:09] <DarkEra2> zequence, had a bit of a delay. So far i installed 13.04 on a partition and upgraded to the development release saucy
[22:30] <zequence> DarkEra2: Alright. Let me check the next step
[22:30] <DarkEra2> ok
[22:31] <zequence> DarkEra2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment
[22:32] <zequence> DarkEra2: Basically, at this point, you need to create a gpg key and a ssh key
[22:32] <zequence> DarkEra2: The gpg key is your virtual id, which you use to sign stuff. It's your personal signature
[22:32] <zequence> DarkEra2: You will need to sign the launchpad code of conduct with it later
[22:33] <zequence> DarkEra2: Any debian package source you want to upload to a PPA needs to be signed with that gpg key
[22:33] <zequence> DarkEra2: The ssh key is only for accessing source. It's like a key to a lock
[22:34] <zequence> ssh is a protocl for remote connections
[22:34] <zequence> You can use it to connect to another machine, if it has a openssh server installed
[22:34] <zequence> It's encrypted too
[22:35] <DarkEra2> ok, i see. I'll read the page and follow the steps :)
[22:35] <DarkEra2> if anything i'll ask 
[22:35] <zequence> Please do :)
[22:44] <DarkEra2> zequence, what to put at Comment?
[22:46] <zequence> DarkEra2: Anything you want
[22:47] <zequence> DarkEra2: But, you don't need to, I guess
[22:47] <DarkEra2> so it also could be my nickname
[22:47] <zequence> If you like
[22:48] <DarkEra2> :)
[22:49] <zequence> DarkEra2: Initially, the gpg key is not going to be too serious of a thing for you. You just need it in order to use launchpad, and make debian packages, but later on, if you get more serious, it is like your real ID. In order for someone to accept your source to Ubuntu repo, they need to have met you in person, and signed your key
[22:50] <zequence> And at that point, you don't want to be changing it anymore
[22:50] <DarkEra2> ah yes, i read about that two days ago iirc
[22:55] <DarkEra2> i'll be back in a bit, our son woke up
[23:10] <DarkEra2> ok, back. Just sent the key
[23:12] <zequence> DarkEra2: I updated that page to include instructions for setting up three more things: Debian variables, bazaar and git
[23:13] <zequence> One can have a lot of good use of ~/.bashrc for setting up variables, and aliases
[23:13] <DarkEra2> zequence, ok, gonna read that too
[23:13] <zequence> So, once you're done, you might want to back up at least your gpg and ssh keys, but also ~/.bashrc if you want to start tweaking it further
[23:14] <zequence> DarkEra2: The gpg key will end up in ~/.gnupg/ and the ssh key pair in ~/.ssh
[23:16] <DarkEra2> i guess i still have to wait a bit before i can continue. Could take up a hour or so after sending the ID
[23:18] <zequence> DarkEra2: You can complete all the other stuff. You only need to wait for the gpg to be published in order to get it uploaded to launchpad
[23:18] <DarkEra2> ok, cool :)
[23:27] <DarkEra2> zequence, sorry but i'm stuck a bit. What to type after Enter file in which to save the key
[23:31] <zequence> DarkEra2: The ssh key?
[23:32] <zequence> DarkEra2: There should be a default option, which means you only need to press Enter
[23:33] <DarkEra2> oh, that's all? Ok, thank you :)
[23:41] <zequence> DarkEra2: I updated the page again to include how to finish setting up the LP account with gpg, ssh and signing the code of conduct
[23:41] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/SetupDeveloperEnvironment#Finish_Setting_Up_Launchpad
[23:42] <DarkEra2> zequence, ok, thanks. By the way.. do you ever sleep? You are a busy guy for sure :D ;)
[23:43] <zequence> DarkEra2: I'm not half as busy as I would like to be
[23:43] <zequence> Sometimes one finds ways to be busy without getting anything done
[23:48] <zequence> The only thing missing now is a good list of packages one should install. Development tools, and so on.
[23:54] <zequence> I'll try to put together some tools for this later on, so one would only need to install a single package to get all but the personal keys and configs
[23:55] <DarkEra2> zequence, on Set up git you forgot a " i believe in the example: git config --global user.name "Kaj Ailomaa
[23:56] <zequence> DarkEra2: Yep. Fixed it now
[23:56] <DarkEra2> cool
[23:58] <DarkEra2> right, so far i'm done i think. Now it's waiting on the key to get published
[23:58] <zequence> DarkEra2: Try refreshing the page. There's some more on it now, probably
[23:59] <zequence> DarkEra2: How to finish up the launchpad account for instance
[23:59] <zequence> There's a table of contents at the top