[00:00] <[deXter]> IIRC, Ubuntu automatically pops up a dialog box that asks the user if they want to upgrade
[00:00] <[deXter]> I was wondering if Xubuntu has something similar.
[00:12] <Deepfriedice> [deXter]: That "something" is part of update-manager
[00:12] <Deepfriedice> You can add it to a Xubuntu system without causeing any problems.
[00:13] <Deepfriedice> Heck, the laptop I'm typing on has it installed (for some reason).
[01:15] <James_Epp> In Ubuntu 12.04's nautilus, I can go file - connect to server. Using xubuntu 12.04, is there a way to accomplish this same task using a GUI? It will be an FTP server connection.
[01:17] <Unit193> In thunar, Go > Open Location.
[01:17] <passthejoe> You can also do it with the Gigolo utility (which is in the Xubuntu default install)
[01:18] <James_Epp> I'm not crazy about using Gigolo, as The goal is to be able to open files off an ftp server into libreoffice
[03:02] <James_Epp> In gigolo, it is asking me for a 'preferred appliction'. I assume this is thunar, but I do not know its application name
[04:30] <[0gb_us]> Is there a place to give feedback to the Xubuntu developers?
[04:35] <[0gb_us]> Never mind.
[04:46] <[0gb_us]> Hey, again. Is there anyone here that could help me figure out Gmusicbrowser? Thanks!
[05:35] <Guest23203> Hello!
[05:35] <Unit193> Hello, Guest23203.
[05:35] <Guest23203> I'm just trying out Xchat. It looks like a really nice client so far.
[05:36] <[0gb_us]> Hey, welcome.
[05:37] <Baramoo> Sorry.
[05:37] <Unit193> Quite a few people like it.
[05:37] <Baramoo> Yeah. I was looking for a nice one, but I didn't find XChat until I installed Xubuntu 13.04 the first time.
[05:38] <moetunes> I like weechat
[05:38] <Baramoo> I don't remember if I tried that one.
[05:38] <Unit193> And I like irssi. ;)
[05:38] <Baramoo> Are any of those (or XChat) cross platform?
[05:39] <[0gb_us]> Pidgin seems to be the one integrated with the desktop, so I use that.
[05:39] <[0gb_us]> Pidgin is a big improvement over Ubuntu's Empathy.
[05:40] <Baramoo> :)
[05:40] <[0gb_us]> I'll try out XChat at some point though.
[05:40] <Baramoo> I like Pidgin a lot, but I prefer Xchat for IRC, so far.
[05:40] <Baramoo> I use Pidgin for Google Talk and Facebook chat (XMPP).
[05:41] <[0gb_us]> Pidgin notifies me of incoming mail. That's one of it's most important features for me.
[05:41] <Unit193> (But of course isn't an IRC client, just happens to sort of work with IRC.)
[05:41] <Baramoo> Yeah, that's pretty nice. I use K-9 on my Kindle Fire for that, though.
[05:41] <Unit193> Anywho, Baramoo:  How can we help you?
[05:42] <[0gb_us]> Ah, I see.
[05:42] <Baramoo> Oh, I'm just chatting while I install Xubuntu 13.04 on my laptop to try to dual-boot with Debian.
[05:42] <Baramoo> We'll see how it goes in a minute.
[05:43] <Baramoo> Resizing my partition went fine, anyway.
[05:43] <Baramoo> See you later! My install is finished.
[05:46] <[0gb_us]> I tried Debian. It didn't work out for me. A lovely operating system for sure, but the lack of drivers left it less functional than it could have been on my hardware.
[05:50] <Baramoo> Hey, it worked!
[05:51] <Baramoo> I've been wanting a dual-boot of Debian and Ubuntu for ages.
[05:51] <[0gb_us]> Nice. Congratulates then!
[05:51] <Baramoo> Thanks!
[05:51] <Baramoo> It was pretty easy. Just had Debian installed (32-bit) and installed Xubuntu on another partition.
[05:52] <Baramoo> 64-bit Xubuntu
[05:52] <[0gb_us]> Yeah. I had to set my sister's computer up to duel-boot Windows and Mint, and it was easy.
[05:52] <Baramoo> and they're both sharing the same partition for their home directories
[05:53] <Baramoo> I had problems trying to dual-boot two Ubuntu installations together in the past. So, I'm pretty happy that Debian seems to work with it, now.
[05:54] <Baramoo> Computer needs to restart. C-ya later!
[05:54] <[0gb_us]> XChat does not seem to have an option to auto log in or save a list of commonly used rooms, unlike Pidgin.
[05:58] <[0gb_us]> For not being a "real IRC client", Pidgin seems to be doing better in basic features.
[06:00] <laite> [0gb_us]: IIRC you can set automatic login through 'connection message' (or something similar) in server properties in xchat
[06:01] <laite> just put "/msg NickServ identify password" (without quotes) there, for freenode
[06:01] <[0gb_us]> laite: Typing that isn't auto log in.
[06:02] <[0gb_us]> OH! Sorry, misunfderstood.
[06:05] <[0gb_us]> I can't find that setting, I'll look more later. Is there a way to save a list of rooms you use?
[06:05] <ruien> Ogb: i use Pidgin, no issues here, and it can save rooms...
[06:06] <laite> [0gb_us]: sure, put them in 'favorite channels' (you can do this by right-clicking channel tab/name, once again, IIRC)
[06:06] <[0gb_us]> I use Pidgin too. Someone was telling me that Pidgin isn't an IRC client though, and that XChat is.
[06:07] <laite> sorry I can't be more specific about option names, I'm happy with weechat ^_^
[06:08] <laite> [0gb_us]: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XChatHowto
[06:09] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, no worries. Thanks!
[06:09] <laite> there is a good picture of server properties with "favorite channels" and "connect command" options :)
[06:12] <[0gb_us]> Okay, all seems to be in order. Thanks! I'm not sure if I'll go with XChat or stay with Pidgin, but XChat does seem to have something Pidgin doesn't: backup names.
[06:13] <[0gb_us]> I don't like the appended digits so much, backup names seem like a better option.
[07:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> sup :P
[07:25] <ntzrmtthihu777> Someone here was worried about zeitgeist the other day, got some info for you if you are here
[08:38] <cliff_> How do you start xfce?
[08:39] <ncdmr> cliff_, depends, what's your env?  Xubuntu?  Or another Ubuntu flavour with installed xfce? In case of the latter, log out (to lightdm) and select xfce as session
[09:20] <fallore> anyone alive?
[09:20] <[uzver]> !ask
[09:21] <fallore> i've used arandr to set up a tv as a second monitor and have it extend instead of clone. for some reason on my laptop there's like 25% more vertical screen space than there needs to be, and i don't know how to fix it
[09:38] <fallore> that's why i figured it was worth asking, [uzver]  :p
[09:39] <[uzver]> !patience
[09:40] <fallore> !talkingtopeopleinsteadofgettingabottodoitforyou
[09:43] <Yotson> fallore: both cases of silence actually have different meanings. And sorry, i can't help you with your issue.
[12:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> sup. anyone interested in testing/critiquing a starcraft cursor theme I'm working on?
[13:09] <rantic> Hi everyone, I just installed Xubuntu 13.04 and am extremely pleased with how smooth the process has been, hardware detection etc ... however, I've never seen such cloudy/blurry fonts before : /
[13:09] <rantic> I was wondering if anyone knew a "fix"? I tried googling it and apparently a lot of peoples eyes have issues with the default configuration in Xubuntu
[13:14] <Lehti> is it a question of anti-aliasing maybe?
[13:15] <rantic> Lehti: I exhausted all of the anti-aliasing settings from none, slight, medium to full
[13:15] <rantic> I tried using the dejavu fonts, microsoft core fonts etc
[13:15] <kRush> for me xubuntu was the first distro where I didn't have to fiddle with hinting/aliasing/whatever
[13:15] <rantic> kRush: Mind if I ask what kind of monitor?
[13:15] <Lehti> in what sense are they blurry? super soft or..?
[13:16] <rantic> Lehti: The fonts just look cloudy / murky, like they've been blurred far too much around the edges
[13:16] <kRush> uhm, dell u2311h (lcd with ips-panel)
[13:17] <rantic> hm
[13:17] <Lehti> and the problem is only with the fonts and nothing else? i.e. windows etc. are normal?
[13:19] <rantic> Lehti: After fiddling with the font settings in the xfce settings manager, and setting my default to verdana ... every thing is definitely better .. not perfect.
[13:19] <rantic> However the fonts in firefox for example or on desktop icons are still hard to read
[13:20] <rantic> Lehti: I tried a few distributions as a Linux newbie and this is the first one where the fonts were something I couldn't just fix in a control panel setting
[13:20] <elfy> I use the ubuntu font
[13:20] <kRush> did you check if the subpixel-order is correct?
[13:21] <kRush> because that looks horrid if it's wrong
[13:22] <rantic> kRush: Yeah I tried all of them :(
[13:24] <Lehti> seems really odd
[13:27] <Lehti> Droid Sans 10, AA enabled, Hinting slight, RGB, 96 DPI
[13:28] <Lehti> always worked perfectly
[13:28] <rantic> hm
[13:34] <kRush> screenshot maybe?
[13:40] <rantic> kRush: To be honest I'm at work right now and don't have the ability to take one
[13:41] <rantic> kRush: I remember installing an earlier version of Xubuntu way back so this can't be a case of my specific eyes complaining
[13:41] <rantic> I do some bug reports from other people so maybe I'll contribute my hardware information and see if anything could be addressed for a later release
[13:51] <asgard> hi, I installed xubuntu-desktop and changed to Blackbird layout (Window settings + Appearance)
[13:52] <asgard> problem: the font is blurry on the desktop icons http://www.xup.in/dl,21169361/Bildschirmfoto_vom_2013-05-03_15:43:05.png/
[13:53] <asgard> and in Firefox, the font colour is white on a white field ...
[13:53] <asgard> I don't know how to fix this
[13:55] <asgard> my other pc with the same layout+xubuntu has not such problems
[13:57] <kRush> that looks like a white font with a white shadow *shrug*
[13:57] <asgard> can somebody help, please?
[13:57] <GridCube> !patience
[13:58] <GridCube> ochosi are you here?
[14:03] <asgard> I can only find the option to change font size, can not find something to change the shadow or deactivate it
[14:04] <kRush> yeah, me neither
[14:05] <[uzver]> asgard: try to restart xfdesktop with killall xfdesktop
[14:07] <th0r> asgard: this link might help http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5506
[14:13] <GridCube> asgard, i would guess, that this should still work https://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/howto-remove-the-borders-of-your-desktop-icon-text/
[14:13] <GridCube> maaaaaaaaaybe
[14:16] <asgard> hm... I try :D
[14:16] <asgard> this is the FF problem http://www.xup.in/dl,58284634/Bildschirmfoto_vom_2013-05-03_16:05:09.png/
[14:17] <asgard> I'm off for a reboot
[14:17] <GridCube> why?
[14:17] <GridCube> just restart the session
[14:17] <knome> asgard, unfortunately, blackbird is still work in progress. please report bugs in launchpad against the ubuntu packahe shimmer-themes
[14:17] <knome> *package
[14:18] <kRush> setting blackbird colors with greybird window style is equally wonky
[14:19] <asgard> both are blackbird
[14:23] <xubuntu827> Добрый день всем позвольте спросить чем отличается убунту от ксубунту?
[14:23] <knome> !ru | xubuntu827
[15:17] <bool> I am having some trouble with my monitor. In settings manager -> Power Manager I have set my monitor to be put to sleep when inactive for 30 minutes and switch off after 35. Still my monitor turns black after 15 minutes. I have also tried to never put to sleep, but it does not have any effect. I do not have screensaver enabled and have uninstalled everything xscreensaver-stuff. What should I do next?
[15:31] <xubuntu919> anyone knows if I'll have issues installing xubuntu on a new dell laptop that already has windows 8? I'm planning on dual boot
[15:34] <Unit193> You'd have to use 64bit and should read the UEFI page.
[15:34] <Unit193> !uefi
[15:34] <GridCube> !uefi
[15:34] <GridCube> lol :P
[15:36] <xubuntu919> thnx
[16:29] <xubuntu515> hello
[16:29] <xubuntu515> im relatively new to xubuntu
[16:29] <xubuntu515> looks like a really cool distro
[16:29] <xubuntu515> but im just wondering
[16:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> !flood | xubuntu515
[16:30] <xubuntu515> will it run on my old hp desktop with 256MB of ram and a P4 processor?
[16:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu515: likely. ubuntu, and xubuntu in particular, are very low requirement os's.
[16:31] <xubuntu515> alright, thanks
[16:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu515: and there are other ways to improve performance on top of that.
[16:32] <elfy> I'd not try to run ubuntu with 256MB Ram
[16:33] <elfy> you might find that you'll end up wanting more ram for xubuntu
[16:38] <Unit193> 256MB really isn't enough, no.
[16:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, its not, but if its all you have *shrug*
[16:39] <Unit193> Then I'd recommend Debian or antix.
[16:58] <frankbro> Was jockey-gtk deprecated for 13.04? I apt-get installed and still can't start it.
[17:08] <GridCube> yes
[17:08] <GridCube> you need to use the software center tab for hardware
[17:15] <[0gb_us]> I just opened up the Ubuntu Software Center. There's no hardware category.
[17:17] <[0gb_us]> I got a message about a "keyring": "An application wants to create a new keyring called 'default'. Choose the password you want to use for it.". What is a keyring?
[17:18] <GridCube> its a depositorie for all your passwords
[17:19] <GridCube> it remembers them for you so you just have to remember one password
[17:20] <[0gb_us]> I just signed up for the Ubuntu Software Center's recommended application service. Does this mean I need to enter my keyring password whenever I open the Ubuntu Software Center now?
[17:21] <GridCube> if you used a different password than your main acount, probably
[17:21] <[0gb_us]> Okay. Thanks!
[17:21] <GridCube> if not then the keyring its usually open when you login
[17:28] <[0gb_us]> The Ubuntu Software Center is now recommending ubuntu-restricted-extras, which includes Flash. Oddly, I don't seem to have the restricted extras, but I do seem to have Flash ...
[17:29] <[0gb_us]> It's also recommending Unity, which was the reason I didn't go for vanilla Ubuntu.
[17:30] <[0gb_us]> It got one right though. It's Braid, which I was already planning to buy.
[17:33] <GridCube> [0gb_us], you dont have ubuntu-restricted-extras because you have xubuntu-restricted-extras
[17:33] <GridCube> and the install-flashplugin comes apart from those two
[17:33] <[0gb_us]> OH! Okay, cool. Thanks for clearing that up!
[17:33] <blackgatonegro> well, is linux, you have a ton of options
[17:33] <blackgatonegro> and xubuntu and unity don't really mix
[17:34] <blackgatonegro> bye guys
[17:34] <[0gb_us]> I'm thinking computers without touch screens and Unity might not really mix either.
[17:36] <GridCube> P: computers with touchscreens and xubuntu get well tho
[17:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> [0gb_us]: honestly I have a touchscreen pc and I still could not stand unity.
[17:38] <[0gb_us]> Well, I could be wrong then.
[17:38] <[0gb_us]> I just was giving the benefit of the doubt, as I've never had a touch screen computer. ☺
[17:39] <[0gb_us]> It looks like it might be usable with a touch screen, but I've never had the chance to try that out.
[17:44] <nimby> Hi! I Upgraded to 13.04 from 12.04, now I can't boot the system
[17:44] <[0gb_us]> That's not good.
[17:44] <nimby> indeed
[17:44] <nimby> I tried the live grub fixer
[17:44] <[0gb_us]> Sorry, I wouldn't know what to do. I'm still on 12.04.
[17:45] <nimby> says something about gparted and flags and that it can't fix it
[17:46] <holstein> nimby: what says what exactly? you upgraded from 12.04 to 12.10 to 13.04 ?
[17:46] <nimby> no
[17:46] <nimby> 12.04
[17:47] <nimby> and got rid of everything, then installed 13.04
[17:47] <holstein> nimby: so, this is a fresh install of 12.04 then, correct?
[17:47] <nimby> it doesnt say anything just _
[17:47] <holstein> 13.04*
[17:47] <nimby> no
[17:47] <nimby> this is my laptop
[17:47] <nimby> running 13.04 too
[17:47] <nimby> whic works fine :)
[17:47] <holstein> nimby: the machie that you are asking about has a fersh install of 13.04 coreect? not an upgrade?
[17:48] <nimby> yes
[17:48] <nimby> I meant to imply that 12.04 worked fine
[17:48] <holstein> ok. so, how did you insatll?
[17:48] <nimby> I tried a lot of different ngs
[17:49] <holstein> if you are getting boot flag errors, i would say, you are doing something "manual" with the installation incorrectly
[17:49] <nimby> most recently I deleted everything, all partitions even. Then the most generic install possible
[17:49] <holstein> nimby: what would i do? boot the live CD, and go through the installer from the live desktop..
[17:49] <nimby> I did that
[17:49] <holstein> nimby: i would not opt to install updates during the installation
[17:49] <nimby> i didn't
[17:50] <holstein> nimby: so what is the *exact* error? the one you are referring to as "flags"
[17:50] <nimby> aum
[17:51] <nimby> nomodeset I think
[17:52] <holstein> nimby: you can confirm this by booting the live CD with and without nomodeset
[17:52] <nimby> and something about it not being able to deal with Gparted
[17:52] <holstein> !nomodeset
[17:52] <holstein> nimby: the installation cannot deal with gparted?
[17:52] <nimby> I'm on it someone in #ubuntu mentioned it
[17:52] <nimby> the live grub fixer
[17:52] <holstein> nimby: im not sure you have a grub error.. and you arent either
[17:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> nimby: boot-repair. and stop using so many enters
[17:53] <nimby> It was an accident
[17:53] <holstein> nimby: using boot repair was an accident?
[17:53] <nimby> no the enters
[18:12] <nimby> okay, I still get the black screen
[18:13] <mogmog_> help, i can't install xubuntu 13.04 from usb drive. ubi-language crashed.
[18:15] <holstein> nimby: i hear that... i suggest trying again... check the sum of the downloaded iso you are using.. test the hard drive, the memory
[18:15] <holstein> nimby: do you get to a desktop from the live CD?
[18:15] <nimby> yes
[18:15] <nimby> and it's the same usb I installed this system on
[18:16] <holstein> nimby: and you tested the hard drive? the target system drive?
[18:17] <nimby> no but i was using it 4 hours ago, Should I do memcheck? also is it possible to configure grub and check if that nomodeset is activated?
[18:18] <holstein> nimby: you were using what 4 hours aga?
[18:18] <holstein> ago*
[18:18] <nimby> the same hard drive, it was running 12.04.
[18:19] <holstein> !grub | nimby you can configure grub as you please, but if you can get to the live desktop without nomodeset, the installation should boot withouth it
[18:27] <mogmog_> my xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso checksum ok but i can't even get to desktop let alone install it. my computers where i tried to boot it on are okay too. strangely enuf i can boot and install it on virtualbox. any idea?
[18:37] <nimby> now I get Read Error_ when I try to boot, this is the result from grub restore http://paste.ubuntu.com/5629943/
[18:51] <nimby> isn't it strange that the live cd works and the install doesn't?
[18:54] <[0gb_us]> Maybe try reinstalling?
[18:57] <nimby> I've installed it 10x times now
[18:57] <[0gb_us]> Hmm. Sorry then.
[18:59] <nimby> yeah, it's frustrating I have no idea what to do, none of the fixes seem to work, it feels like a waste of time to re-install 12.04
[19:04] <elfy> nimby: are you booted into the live at the moment? if you are run gparted and give us a screenshot of it - imagebin.org
[19:04] <nimby> ok
[19:05] <elfy> make it big enough that people with old eyes and dirty glasses can see it please
[19:05] <elfy> :)
[19:05] <genii-around> For some reason I read that at first as dirty eyes and old glasses
[19:06] <elfy> that works too genii-around :)
[19:07] <drc> so does dirty old eyes with glasses
[19:07] <elfy> and we should take it now to -offtopic lol
[19:08] <nimby> imagebin.org/256322
[19:12] <nimby> the read error_ comes from that first partition, if i boot without that partition removed it says absolutely nothing
[19:16] <nimby> any ideas?
[19:16] <elfy> is this a UEFI machine?
[19:17] <nimby> no
[19:17] <elfy> do you see grub when you reboot?
[19:18] <nimby> It's EFI, if it's any different. No I don't see grub
[19:18] <nimby> When I boot the live cd it says something "don't do uefi", some hard drives are labeled "UEFI" in bios
[19:19] <elfy> I'd guess that's the issue then - I've not had much dealing with it unfortunately
[19:20] <elfy> have you tried reinstalling grub WITHOUT that grubrepair tool thing?
[19:21] <nimby> not manually, but I've re-installed the entire os trying different things
[19:21] <drc> nimby: have you looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI ?
[19:23] <elfy> and to manually reinstall grub from a lived - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#via_the_LiveCD_terminal
[19:23] <elfy> I've never had any luck with the gui tool
[19:23] <elfy> thanks drc
[19:25] <nimby> Thanks, I'll try and get back again in a couple of minutes
[19:26] <elfy> nimby: if you do the reinstall thing - then keep the terminal open - and copy paste everything to pastebin if you have errors
[19:26] <nimby> it just said : Installation finished, no error reported.
[19:28] <nimby> okay I'm getting into grub now
[19:28] <nimby> it says no such device: and then numbers
[19:30] <ThePendulum> I have this weird issue that I can only reach Google, and no other internet site or other connection
[19:30] <ThePendulum> I used to fix this by changing the MTU, but I don't recall what to
[19:34] <nimby> welp, I'm giving up. I'll just re-install 12.04. Thanks for attempting to help everyone. I appreciate it
[19:35] <elfy> nimby: 2 secs
[19:36] <elfy> if you;re still in the livecd - open the file manager and look for the installed xubuntu - click that - check in /bbot to see if there's an efi folder
[19:37] <nimby> there is
[19:37] <elfy> I think you should ahve - you need to look at the wiki page drc gave you
[19:37] <nimby> I did
[19:38] <nimby> inside /boot I suppose you mean
[19:38] <elfy> did you happen to note the number ? nimby> it says no such device: and then numbers
[19:38] <nimby> yeah, it
[19:38] <elfy> yea I did - I'm all at sea when it comes to efi boot issues
[19:38] <nimby> ups, it's the one it should be
[19:39] <nimby> the / partition of the ssd, I'm really sorry for pressing enter all the time, it's a habit
[19:39] <elfy> don't worry about it :)
[19:40] <elfy> I don't think I'm going to be able to help much
[19:41] <xubuntu898> where ti find video drivers
[19:49] <nimby> xubuntu898: settings > software and updates > proprietary drivers
[19:52] <KeyboardNotFound> I trying to create link (ln) but i have this error: hard link not allowed for directory
[19:52] <KeyboardNotFound> how to solve this ?
[19:52] <vl4kn0> Hi, where can I find colorscheme used in xubuntu xfce terminal?
[19:53] <knome> vl4kn0, it's in the package xubuntu-default-settings
[19:54] <nimby> ln -s
[19:54] <vl4kn0> knome: but I don't have xubuntu, I just think the xubuntu terminal scheme is one of the best I've seen
[19:55] <knome> vl4kn0, the sources for that package are available in launchpad
[19:55] <vl4kn0> knome: well thank you then
[19:55] <KeyboardNotFound> I trying to create link (ln) but i have this error: hard link not allowed for directory
[19:55] <knome> vl4kn0, you're welcome, and thanks for the positive feedback
[19:57] <genii-around> KeyboardNotFound: Your question was already answered in #ubuntu by thomedy. Please do not post the same question across multiple channels
[20:06] <drc> vl4kn0: Text color = #B3B3B3, cursor color = #0F4999, Background color = #131926, tab activity color = #265680 and text selection color = #163B59
[20:06] <drc> is that what you were looking for?
[20:12] <jvm_> hi, i downloaded a xubuntu iso image on a ubuntu 10.04 system. the startup disk creator isn't working right, throwing an unexplained error message after pressing the write button, and i am not sure if my usb stick is damaged. i used `sudo dd if=xubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso bs=4M of=/dev/sdc1
[20:13] <jvm_> ` to write to the usb stick, but during boot it shows "isolinux.bin missing or corrupt" and then "Operating system not found".
[20:14] <jvm_> am i doing something wrong?
[20:14] <David-A> jvm_: if you use "startup disk creator" you should not use "dd". they do very different things.
[20:14] <jvm_> David-A, what exactcly is the difference?
[20:16] <jvm_> as mentioned, i didn't use the Startup Disk Creator successfully. i was under the impression that both approaches should lead to the same end result.
[20:16] <jvm_> if not, how do you create a usb boot device from command line?
[20:16] <David-A> jvm_:  "startup disk creator" creates a live system on a device that normally has the fat2 file system (the live system when running of course has ext2/3/4)
[20:17] <David-A> jvm_: "dd" will copy the image and the device will work exactly as a live CD, with iso filesystem on the device (and of course ext2/3/4 in the live system). as on a CD files CAN NOT be SAVED between sessions.
[20:18] <jvm_> David-A, i am happy with that.
[20:19] <jvm_> i plan to use the system only for installation on hard disk.
[20:20] <David-A> jvm_: if you use "dd" first, the device has a filesystem that cannot be written to, so "startup disk creator" cannot do its thing. you have to choose on or the other.
[20:20] <David-A> *one or the other
[20:20] <jvm_> David-A, i chose dd.
[20:20] <jvm_> but it's not working.
[20:20] <jvm_> can you help me out?
[20:20] <David-A> jvm_: I'd chose "startup disk creator"
[20:21] <knome> jvm_, have you checked the integrity of the downloaded ISO?
[20:21] <knome> jvm_, with md5sum or from the disc
[20:22] <drc> jvm_: of=/dev/sdc1 ?  I have never had luck with that designation.  Try of=/dev/sdc (no 1).  Be aware it will write the whole sUSB and you will loose what ever is on it.  If you want to use of=/dev/sdc1 then I'd use unetbootin
[20:22] <jvm_> knome, i have now- it is fine.
[20:22] <jvm_> drc, thanks very much for the information. i wasn't sure on it and found contradicting statements.
[20:28] <FrozenR> hello! i got a problem something bug! i install xubunt on my laptop and when it logs and asks my password as the root user and i USE THE RIGHT one password the screen goes black for 1-2 sec like its processing and asks me again to put the password!
[20:28] <FrozenR> i have to notice that there is not error message like wrong password
[20:28] <FrozenR> when i put a wrong password i can see normally the warning message about incorrect password
[20:29] <knome> FrozenR, are you trying to log in as root?
[20:29] <FrozenR> yes
[20:29] <knome> FrozenR, you shouldn't.
[20:29] <knome> !rootsudo | FrozenR
[20:30] <FrozenR> well but how comes this?
[20:30] <FrozenR> i mean why it cant accept my password from the graphical interface
[20:30] <FrozenR> when xubuntu starts
[20:30] <FrozenR> and i have to log as guest for to can use sudo command
[20:31] <FrozenR> also sudo doesnt working in terminal...its just says me unable to change to sudoers gid:operation not permitted
[20:32] <lderan> The last link the ubottu gave you might be of some help in that regards
[20:33] <FrozenR> oh i am sorry my bad!!! in my frustation and i dint noticed it
[20:35] <jvm_> drc, i did it again with /dev/sdc, but booting with the usb stick still leads to the same error message.
[20:36] <mogmog_> 13.04's good but i almost passed out waiting it to load desktop. anything i can do to make boot time faster?
[20:37] <FrozenR> oh its worked with just a reboot :P
[20:37] <knome> mogmog_, well the obvious... try seeing if you have unused services ran on boot time
[20:37] <knome> mogmog_, and then the even more obvious: buy a faster pc with an ssd drive ;)
[20:38] <FrozenR> well i love the look of xubuntu but sometimes i think that may linux is buggy?
[20:38] <mogmog_> lolz. 12.10 not that long
[20:38] <FrozenR> in windows doest happen easy to have these bugs with logins
[20:39] <knome> FrozenR, there are bugs in any software; in linux, we can fix them if users report them
[20:40] <FrozenR> aha...its great anyway just hard the first times especially when you had windows for 10 years lol :(
[20:40] <knome> change is always hard, regardless what you are switching to
[20:41] <FrozenR> yeah!
[20:42] <FrozenR> you have some good purposes to download from excellent software center of ubuntu?and i mean about developing tools...expect netbeans for a web developer...what is the best?
[20:42] <knome> !best | FrozenR
[20:47] <FrozenR> its just too hard to choose from all these heheheh
[20:50] <drc> FrozenR: They're free, try them all.
[20:50] <FrozenR> indeed ;) but for php or sql witch have the rumors
[21:09] <Jon__> Anyone here?
[21:10] <knome> !anyone | Jon__
[21:11] <Jon__> Does anyone know if I can run Xubuntu on an AMD XP processor?
[21:11] <knome> yes you can. it might not be the fastest though
[21:12] <Jon__> Ok. Because I tried Ubuntu, and after login, it basically froze up.
[21:12] <Jon__> I want to use it as an Android testing enviroment.
[21:12] <knome> how much ram do you have and what's the CPU frequency?
[21:13] <xubuntu391> why its a bit slow when i am pressing right click mouse to show the menu?it takes 1 sec...
[21:14] <Jon__> 1GB RAM and I think something like 333Hz or something.
[21:14] <David-A> xubuntu391: is right click menu slow every time or just the first time?
[21:15] <xubuntu391> every time that i am pressing it
[21:15] <knome> Jon__, 333?! i must be thinking some other AMD XP processors... :)
[21:16] <Jon__> It's an old PC.
[21:16] <knome> Jon__, you might want to try something even lighter - if you want something in the ubuntu family, i'd suggest lubuntu for starters
[21:16] <knome> Jon__, or alternatively, building a custom system with the minimal iso
[21:16] <knome> !minimal | Jon__
[21:19] <David-A> Jon__: no AMD XP on the wikipedia site has 333MHz nominal cpu freq. IF it is an AMD XP it should be fast enough.
[21:19] <Jon__> Hmm... I can't quite remember how much it has. Could you link me to the wiki page and maybe I can identify my PC?
[21:20] <Jon__> My bad, it's the one with 1333mhz
[21:23] <xubuntu391> the computer needs to restart to finishing installing updates?tsk tsk too much windows sounds :P
[21:24] <knome> xubuntu391, you can postpone until you really want to do it.
[21:24] <David-A> Jon__: from around year 2001 then? xubuntu should work, but expect some heavy web pages to to feel sluggish and hi-def videos to chopp.
[21:24] <xubuntu391> in the windows too :P
[21:25] <knome> xubuntu391, and basially you only need to do that when you install a new kernel
[21:26] <xubuntu391> oh well then ;) it just asked me to install 199 news updates (to a fresh install of xubuntu) so i guess it was kernel thing too :P
[21:28] <xubuntu391> btw still its slow on the right click of mouse in desktop :( how comes
[22:26] <xubutun__live>  Hey guys I am currently trying to install xubuntu 13.04 x64 on some UEFI hardware. Any extra steps I should take?
[22:27] <drc> xubutun__live: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI for a start.
[22:28] <xubutun__live> Thx bro should have done that to begin with