=== clay_doh is now known as claydoh === monkeyjuice is now known as mydogsname_isrud === mydogsname_isrud is now known as rudy_is_my_dog === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - Friendly Computing | Upgrade QA : http://kubuntu-qa.dyndns.org/ | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas | Kubuntu Council election: Voting in progress [02:00] Who has voted already! [02:00] ? [02:41] kubotu: newversion kdev-python 1/ [02:41] DAMN [02:41] Package kdev-python doesn't exist yet! [02:41] OH [02:41] Meh? [02:42] kubotu: newpackage kdev-python [02:42] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage' [02:42] Meh [02:42] kubotu: help newpackage [02:42] newpackage [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package. [02:42] newversion [description]; Adds update bug for existing package. [02:42] buildstatus [release] [ppa]; Buildstatus for package. [02:42] kubotu: newpackage kdev-python 1.5 [02:43] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176267 [03:01] smartboyhw: See 1176225 - that one was already reported. [03:22] hey ScottK [03:22] ahoneybun: Hello [03:29] ScottK: I have not gotten in contact with volkan [03:39] I think this is him https://launchpad.net/~volkangezer [03:41] ahoneybun: No, look at the listed IRC nick, it's different. [03:43] Might be https://launchpad.net/~vlyalcin [03:45] I'm going to end up messaging everyone lol [03:46] I really want to work on this more [03:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs [03:51] I'm just thinking on how to sorting this [04:04] ahoneybun: did you start out with the docs that we used to distribute? [04:05] ahoneybun: I'd like to help, although I loathe that wiki-markup [04:05] I've worked on our docs in the past, in the xml [04:06] valorie: yes I used bzr to pull the code from lp, this is what I have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs [04:08] right, that was what I was looking at [04:08] the spelling seems rather hinky though [04:08] and the order of the sections seems odd [04:09] just wondering if that is how our old docs were organized, or what [04:09] yes its right from the old ones [04:09] same order [04:10] reading it now I think Linux and KDE should be first [04:17] valorie: other then that how am I doing? [04:18] looks great [04:18] although there has to be a way to make dots or symbols rather then little dashes [04:18] I fixed that! [04:19] I can edit when you are done with what you are doing [04:19] ok [04:19] I just saved the changes [04:19] cool, yes, now I see it [04:20] it would be nice to have our wiki themed like our website [04:20] but I guess it takes forever to get that done [04:20] I wish I could rename the page to kubuntu-docs-about and the welcome to kubuntu-docs-welcome [04:30] should I call it Ubuntu's GNOME desktop but it is Unity [04:35] ubuntu's Unity desktop [04:35] all of the flavors like that (in my mind) [04:36] because you can use gnome desktop too, or xfce, etc. [04:36] might be cool to have buttons for all the flavors [04:40] true [04:42] there is way too much "ubuntu is unity only" thought around [04:42] whereas the community and the flavors all working towards a common goal is what makes us strong [04:44] sometimes I get the feeling that canonical folks get threatened by the success of any flavor but unity [04:44] that is true I get the feeling that Linux will only work if it follows their goals [04:45] it's too easy to lose focus and start fighting over different tastes, rather than focus on our common goals [04:47] to provide s useable desktop for everyone [04:47] *provide a usable [04:48] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs [04:49] I can rename the page [04:50] huh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs [04:53] ok so I will edit to follow that model better then mine no? [04:54] I was just bringing it into the discussion because it's an old page which already exists, and could be mixed up with your new page [04:54] at least you should have a link to the new page [04:54] ScottK: OK. [04:55] Bug 1176255 [04:55] bug 1176255 in linux-mako (Ubuntu) "linux-mako fails to boot when built with gcc 4.8" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176255 [04:55] Uh oh [04:55] Bug 1176225 [04:55] bug 1176225 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] kdev-python" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1176225 [04:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail [04:57] cool [04:57] CamelCasing has been used in wikis forever [04:58] I never wanted to work on docs because the syntax was frightening;P So thank you ahoneybun:) [04:58] ugly, but it works [04:58] esp. THIS wiki [04:58] horrible [04:59] all honor to ahoneybun [04:59] syntax? [04:59] valorie: thanks! I also made the new banner for the 13.04 release [04:59] wiki markup [05:00] i would so love to see that on the wiki [05:00] wiki pages are often so boring looking [05:00] all text, no fun [05:00] I wanted to add images [05:00] should this be more then one page or all in one? [05:00] \o/ [05:01] I don't think I can put the image on there just link it [05:02] no, they can be embedded [05:02] I just don't know how [05:03] I have tried all the links that photobucket gave me [05:03] I think they have to somehow be uploaded to the wiki itself [05:04] found it [05:06] boom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail [05:07] ahoneybun: Good;) [05:08] trying to get it aligned [05:10] lovely! [05:11] not aligned [05:11] ... [05:11] aligned here, in chromium [05:12] oh not in firefox [05:12] thanks smartboyhw! [05:12] not so good in rekonq [05:13] since we ship rekonq, it should look great there [05:16] true but I am using the right code, the only thing I can do is resize it [05:17] still nothing [05:17] yup, another reasons wikis suck a bit [05:18] wait getting i [05:18] it [05:20] got it in firefox good [05:21] valorie: refresh your browser ;) [05:21] great! [05:22] oh yea [05:24] ahoneybun: looks good in konqueror as well [05:24] valorie: awesome! [05:32] smartboyhw: it is scary a bit, I mostly just don't know how to work this out [05:34] how to work what out? [05:35] valorie: organize all this [05:36] there are 26 different folders in docs and I want to lower that by combining them [05:37] ahoneybun: that def. sounds like the best idea [05:38] what helps me is to write stuff out with a pen and paper [05:38] like media, photos, and videos can be in the same categorie [05:38] maybe cut it up [05:38] that is good [05:38] and then move them around until they seem to flow right [05:38] yea [05:38] for some reason my brain works better with actual STUFF [05:39] same here [05:56] got them down to 5 [06:02] well 4 [06:05] \o/ [06:05] what does that mean lol [06:06] hands in the air? [06:07] lol [06:08] \o/ means hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [06:10] what for lol [06:12] simplifying! [06:13] Yep \o/ [06:13] yea true [06:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail [06:14] awesome [06:14] but what is "interworkings"? [06:16] community- bug reports, development, support, contact [06:17] how about: community [06:17] ahoneybun: Use valorie's suggestion instead [06:17] or getting involved [06:17] might be more "open" [06:18] both of those I thought of lol [06:18] what about "Our Community"? [06:18] this is my thought: we know what we mean by community [06:18] but absolute newcomers won't [06:19] getting involved is generic [06:19] but everyone will know what it means [06:19] and if you have a sentence about it, with the list above, people will know for sure [06:20] yea [06:21] smartboyhw: thats for sure [06:25] the more clear and plain we can be, the better [06:25] also: easier to translate [06:28] ok, I'm going to put a few pictures in here [06:30] its beautifl [06:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [06:31] *beautiful [06:34] looks great [06:36] Awesome! Thanks ahoneybun [06:37] smartboyhw: for what? lol [06:41] ahoneybun: For docs making:) [06:42] smartboyhw: no problem! but I'm not done! [06:44] not sure what to do if I have nothing in the directory it is talking about [06:44] ahoneybun: Doing is better than none;) [06:45] bye bye, no battrry for phone [06:45] once the basics are covered, we can fill the gaps [06:46] smartboyhw: true, bye! [06:47] valorie: you mean the once the floor plan is done, or the page "The Basics" is done [06:47] the floor plan [06:47] and most of the suitable text from the old docs [06:48] although we don't have to stick with those if we don't want to [06:49] I know but its better then starting from scratch [06:49] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [06:49] for sure [06:51] its almost 3am here [06:51] when you're done, I'll edit a bit [06:53] ok soon I will be [06:53] cuz I should not stay up to late [06:54] you can decide tomorrow if my edits are suitable [06:54] :-) [06:56] well here it is tomorrow lol [06:56] almost here too [06:56] ok refresh I added some more [06:57] made changes anyway [06:57] question [06:57] shot [06:57] why is the basic linux system "kubuntu basics?" [06:57] true [06:57] we want most people to use the gui tools, true? [06:58] I think what you've got is good, but it seems like "linux basics" to me [06:58] refresh [07:00] that is why I should not be writting at 3 in the morning lol [07:00] I'll work on that a bit [07:00] I think it should end up near the end of the docs though [07:00] since it will change little if at all [07:00] ok I'm hitting the bed and netflix [07:00] this really is linux basics [07:01] basics last thought? [07:01] it would look the same in puppy, or opensuse [07:01] though [07:01] you'll see in the morning! [07:01] true with some changes [07:01] only for clarity [07:01] ok see yea [07:01] thanks for all your work! [07:01] no problem doing my part! [07:20] ahoneybun: these images should be uploaded to the wiki [08:24] ahoneybun: my edits don't seem to be "taking" -- one of the links is spelled wrong, and saving the fix isn't working [08:24] so I think I've done what I can tonight [08:25] I really think that the linux basics should go near the end [08:25] Kubuntu up top, then KDE, then Linux [08:25] IMO [09:02] someone broke zic :( [10:03] ScottK: Is the election vote changeable BTW? I have never used CIVS. [10:04] why is there no "want the old people back"? [10:06] apachelogger: ? === mck182 is now known as mck182|lunch [10:14] valorie: that sounds like you're doing docs? [10:15] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5035TY5RSpg [10:15] Riddell: You know about the answer? ^ [10:17] shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM [10:20] shadeslayer: there ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8vHASPezsY [10:21] smartboyhw: what what? [10:21] que? [10:22] Riddell: Can one change his vote in CIVS after voting? [10:23] looks like no [10:23] it says "A vote has already been cast using your voter key." [10:25] meh. Riddell you have voted already? [10:27] :O [10:32] yep [10:41] Riddell: That's quick [10:41] * smartboyhw still needs replies, IIRC [10:48] Heck, let us see when we can get 4.10.3 tagged:P [10:50] Monday, need a day or two recover [10:52] shadeslayer: When are you leaving for Barcelona? [10:52] Already here [10:52] shadeslayer: Oh good [10:53] Heh,FC Barcelona was defeated 0-7 [10:53] shadeslayer, any time to write up replies to my two questions?:P [10:53] on monday [10:53] A bit too tired to write proper replies [10:53] shadeslayer: So where in Barcelona are you now? [10:53] Pinea De Mar [10:54] i.e.? [10:54] Nearby Spain [10:54] erm [10:54] Near Barcelona [10:54] see what I mean ^^ [10:55] shadeslayer: Oh [10:56] smartboyhw: if you need me to poke him he's sitting next to me [10:56] but currently he's trying to disable me with spicy nuts [10:58] Riddell: Eh who are you meaning? [10:58] shadeslayer [10:58] Riddell: srsly? [11:10] * Riddell posts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/04/kubuntu-support === mck182|lunch is now known as mck182 [11:15] Riddell: Good one! [11:17] any day now [11:19] ScottK: has the owncloud update question reached stalemate? [11:42] Riddell: Does http://www.kubuntu.org/about-us need an update for the Canonical part? [11:46] smartboyhw_: he's lunching [11:46] though that page could use the addition of Debian [11:47] shadeslayer: I think one good thing about IRC is that I can tell people messages without needing to care that he is lunching:P [11:47] shadeslayer: And KDE [11:47] :D [11:47] I see KDE there [11:47] "Powered by KDE" [11:48] shadeslayer: :D [11:55] smartboyhw_: I don't even recognise that page [11:55] smartboyhw_: feel free to edit it [11:55] there's lots on that website which needs updated [11:55] Hello [11:55] hi Quintasan [11:56] Riddell: Laters [11:57] Wow [11:57] Riddell: Good one, seems like we're back in business [11:57] any day now [11:57] At least with regard to commercial supportl [11:58] shadeslayer, yofel: next weeked - Active packaging sprint? [11:58] weekend*even [12:00] maybe, can't confirm as of right now [12:03] shadeslayer: I see, if you have a better date then do tell, I'm just throwing random dates since if I'm not doing any uni stuff I'm generally free [12:04] * Quintasan got his programming assigments done in advance [12:04] I will most likely be free [12:04] but I can't confirm as of right now, give me a couple of days to figure something out [12:05] shadeslayer: Sure sure, no need to rush anything, saucy just opened :P [12:08] :D [12:10] Any ideas why KDE Identity account is not used on bugs.kde.org? [12:10] I just figured I have to create separate account there === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [12:29] Quintasan: no i.k.o integration on Bugzilla [12:29] someone needs to write a plugin or sth [12:32] is this too grumpy? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/04/mataro-sessions-ii [12:33] Riddell: Not bad, not too grumpy if you ask me [12:34] OK guys KDE SC 4.10.3 tarballs are 'ere [12:35] boom [12:35] who wants to take it up? [12:35] Riddell: It is OK I think [12:35] I mean the blog post [12:36] Riddell: According to jono (or dholbach or balloons) that "secret meeting" is held every cycle:O [12:37] Riddell: You will take it up. :P [12:38] Badumtss [12:38] Quintasan: What? [12:38] there's the question of do we want to do merges first or 4.10.3 first? [12:38] Nothing. Just making random noises [12:39] We want merges first [12:39] Quintasan: LOL [12:39] Riddell: Merges. [12:40] But by the time we did all the merges there will be KDE SC 4.10.4 (:P) [12:40] No. [12:40] If you get to work instead of talking smartboyhw we will have it down quickly [12:40] :P [12:40] merges will take some time but I think I agree it needs to be done first [12:41] Quintasan: Eh, I can't work these days, it's near exams. :P [12:41] smartboyhw: Then what the hell are you doing here? Go and study or something :P [12:42] Quintasan: Or rather, I am grounded for computers. [12:42] smartboyhw, Riddell: merges first [12:42] but that doesn't mean you can't do the 4.10.3 SRU packages [12:42] just skip saucy [12:42] That's a unison:P [12:43] Riddell: yofel I agree, we should merge first [12:43] Riddell: maybe we can pin down some of them with apachelogger this week? [12:43] shadeslayer: I do want to get cracking on them [12:43] make an announcement that we're not doing 4.10.3 for a bit since we're mergin first [12:43] *merging [12:44] smartboyhw: I see, that seems more legitimate an excuse rather than exams :P [12:44] shadeslayer might know something about the latter :P [12:44] exams @_@ [12:45] Well, Food Time [12:47] Quintasan: Heh [12:48] I'll get to merging today since I'm done with uni magic [13:05] valorie: If I remember correctly, the goal a couple of years ago was to get the website to match the wiki theme :) [13:13] !sru [13:13] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [13:22] ponderous question, what does Kubuntu want from KDE? [13:23] Riddell: ? [13:24] any apps would be good to have? any experiences can be improved? [13:24] I'm thining activities needs improved [13:24] also ms export in calligra [13:27] a working clock kcm would be nice :O [13:28] a sane way to configure file sharing between computers (AFAIK the samba stuff is rather broken) [13:28] no one shares files [13:29] not everyone uses dropbox... [13:29] nor owncloud [13:29] no, I mean that [13:29] one uses upnp [13:29] well, we don't use hupnp [13:29] file sharing is a shit concept for 300000000% of the usescase [13:29] * Riddell thinks apachelogger may not be entirely serious [13:29] also hupnp is crap [13:29] but that is another story [13:29] also it does not offer what we need [13:31] essentially we/KDE has no upnp middleware solution that would allow apps to easily get upnp integration (short of KIO) or share data using upnp (i.e. a server) [13:32] Riddell: LOL [13:32] Seriously apachelogger, whay is upup and hupnp? [13:33] :O [13:33] que? [13:33] smartboyhw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play ? [13:33] [Build #4547391] i386 build of kde-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 in ubuntu saucy PROPOSED someone tell whoever broke boost that they also broke workspace :P [13:34] smartboyhw: hupnp is some qt integration of that http://sourceforge.net/projects/hupnp/ [13:34] it's an optional dependency of kdelibs, but we don't use it [13:34] * yofel remembers it being rather annoying last time we tried [13:35] I was advised by the author not to use it [13:42] Riddell: heh [13:46] ScottK: bug 1174495 SRU incoming until .3 hits raring [13:46] bug 1174495 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu Saucy) "kwin instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 [13:46] also saucy doesn't build because boost is fried [13:47] do we have logs of the qdbus upgrade bug? I could only find bug #1155687 but that doesn't have much information [13:47] bug 1155687 in qt4-x11 (Ubuntu) "KDE session didn't start after upgrading from Quantal to Raring Beta 1. Fixed after installing proper qdbus package according to amd64 architecture" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1155687 [13:47] yum, deep fried boost [13:47] lol [13:47] debfx: yofel would know [13:48] he was looking into it [13:48] http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/ have anything? [13:48] only shortly until I was distraced by our plasma setup [13:48] the only upgrade logs I got from someone showed that even before the upgrade only qdbus:i386 existed [13:49] and he couldn't find a removal of qdbus:amd64 in the logs, which is fishy but I didn't have time to replicate the situation yet [13:49] debfx: http://nopaste.info/4f9ca10823.html [13:49] well [13:50] there is nothing wrong with qdbus:i386 being the only installed one :P [13:50] in <13.04 [13:50] well, you can only have one, right. But using i386 on amd64 sounds kind of wrong [13:50] though it shouldn't fail either [13:51] so the problem is perhaps not so much that qdbus:amd64 did go away at some point in the past, but that the upgrade does not make sure the system ends up with qdbus:i386 (or the qtchooser thingy manages to pick up i386 on amd64 or something) [13:51] qdbus is multi-arch:foreign so apt should always prefer the native architecture [13:56] apachelogger: [we want from kde] language settings not kde specific? [14:00] OK I have some 1.5 hours to work on some packaging. Any ideas? [14:01] start atthe start [14:01] pkg-kde-tools I'd think [14:01] Riddell, hmm? [14:03] shared-mime-info [14:03] phonon [14:03] Riddell, meh.... [14:03] That takes more than 1.5 hours for me. [14:03]