[02:00] <smartboyhw> Who has voted already!
[02:00] <smartboyhw> ?
[02:41] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newversion kdev-python 1/
[02:41] <smartboyhw> DAMN
[02:41] <kubotu> Package kdev-python doesn't exist yet!
[02:41] <smartboyhw> OH
[02:41] <smartboyhw> Meh?
[02:42] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newpackage kdev-python
[02:42] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'
[02:42] <smartboyhw> Meh
[02:42] <smartboyhw> kubotu: help newpackage
[02:42] <kubotu> newpackage <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds needs-packaging bug for entirely new package.
[02:42] <kubotu>                 newversion <packagename> <version> [description]; Adds update bug for existing package.
[02:42] <kubotu>                 buildstatus <packagename> [release] [ppa]; Buildstatus for package.
[02:42] <smartboyhw> kubotu: newpackage kdev-python 1.5
[02:43] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1176267
[03:01] <ScottK> smartboyhw: See 1176225 - that one was already reported.
[03:22] <ahoneybun> hey ScottK
[03:22] <ScottK> ahoneybun: Hello
[03:29] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I have not gotten in contact with volkan
[03:39] <ahoneybun> I think this is him https://launchpad.net/~volkangezer
[03:41] <ScottK> ahoneybun: No, look at the listed IRC nick, it's different.
[03:43] <ScottK> Might be https://launchpad.net/~vlyalcin
[03:45] <ahoneybun> I'm going to end up messaging everyone lol
[03:46] <ahoneybun> I really want to work on this more
[03:51] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs
[03:51] <ahoneybun> I'm just thinking on how to sorting this
[04:04] <valorie> ahoneybun: did you start out with the docs that we used to distribute?
[04:05] <valorie> ahoneybun: I'd like to help, although I loathe that wiki-markup
[04:05] <valorie> I've worked on our docs in the past, in the xml
[04:06] <ahoneybun> valorie: yes I used bzr to pull the code from lp, this is what I have https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs
[04:08] <valorie> right, that was what I was looking at
[04:08] <valorie> the spelling seems rather hinky though
[04:08] <valorie> and the order of the sections seems odd
[04:09] <valorie> just wondering if that is how our old docs were organized, or what
[04:09] <ahoneybun> yes its right from the old ones
[04:09] <ahoneybun> same order 
[04:10] <ahoneybun> reading it now I think Linux and KDE should be first
[04:17] <ahoneybun> valorie: other then that how am I doing?
[04:18] <valorie> looks great
[04:18] <valorie> although there has to be a way to make dots or symbols rather then little dashes
[04:18] <ahoneybun> I fixed that!
[04:19] <valorie> I can edit when you are done with what you are doing
[04:19] <valorie> ok
[04:19] <ahoneybun> I just saved the changes
[04:19] <valorie> cool, yes, now I see it
[04:20] <valorie> it would be nice to have our wiki themed like our website
[04:20] <valorie> but I guess it takes forever to get that done
[04:20] <ahoneybun> I wish I could rename the page to kubuntu-docs-about and the welcome to kubuntu-docs-welcome
[04:30] <ahoneybun> should I call it Ubuntu's GNOME desktop but it is Unity
[04:35] <valorie> ubuntu's Unity desktop
[04:35] <valorie> all of the flavors like that (in my mind)
[04:36] <valorie> because you can use gnome desktop too, or xfce, etc.
[04:36] <valorie> might be cool to have buttons for all the flavors
[04:40] <ahoneybun> true
[04:42] <valorie> there is way too much "ubuntu is unity only" thought around
[04:42] <valorie> whereas the community and the flavors all working towards a common goal is what makes us strong
[04:44] <valorie> sometimes I get the feeling that canonical folks get threatened by the success of any flavor but unity
[04:44] <ahoneybun> that is true I get the feeling that Linux will only work if it follows their goals
[04:45] <valorie> it's too easy to lose focus and start fighting over different tastes, rather than focus on our common goals
[04:47] <ahoneybun> to provide s useable desktop for everyone
[04:47] <ahoneybun> *provide a usable
[04:48] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-docs
[04:49] <ahoneybun> I can rename the page
[04:50] <valorie> huh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs
[04:53] <ahoneybun> ok so I will edit to follow that model better then mine no?
[04:54] <valorie> I was just bringing it into the discussion because it's an old page which already exists, and could be mixed up with your new page
[04:54] <valorie> at least you should have a link to the new page
[04:54] <smartboyhw> ScottK: OK.
[04:55] <smartboyhw> Bug 1176255
[04:55] <smartboyhw> Uh oh
[04:55] <smartboyhw> Bug 1176225
[04:56] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[04:57] <valorie> cool
[04:57] <valorie> CamelCasing has been used in wikis forever
[04:58] <smartboyhw> I never wanted to work on docs because the syntax was frightening;P So thank you ahoneybun:)
[04:58] <valorie> ugly, but it works
[04:58] <valorie> esp. THIS wiki
[04:58] <valorie> horrible
[04:59] <valorie> all honor to ahoneybun
[04:59] <ahoneybun> syntax? 
[04:59] <ahoneybun> valorie: thanks! I also made the new banner for the 13.04 release
[04:59] <valorie> wiki markup
[05:00] <valorie> i would so love to see that on the wiki
[05:00] <valorie> wiki pages are often so boring looking
[05:00] <valorie> all text, no fun
[05:00] <ahoneybun> I wanted to add images
[05:00] <ahoneybun> should this be more then one page or all in one?
[05:00] <valorie> \o/
[05:01] <ahoneybun> I don't think I can put the image on there just link it
[05:02] <valorie> no, they can be embedded
[05:02] <valorie> I just don't know how
[05:03] <ahoneybun> I have tried all the links that photobucket gave me
[05:03] <valorie> I think they have to somehow be uploaded to the wiki itself
[05:04] <ahoneybun> found it
[05:06] <ahoneybun> boom https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[05:07] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Good;)
[05:08] <ahoneybun> trying to get it aligned
[05:10] <valorie> lovely!
[05:11] <ahoneybun> not aligned
[05:11] <ahoneybun> ...
[05:11] <valorie> aligned here, in chromium
[05:12] <ahoneybun> oh not in firefox
[05:12] <ahoneybun> thanks smartboyhw!
[05:12] <valorie> not so good in rekonq
[05:13] <valorie> since we ship rekonq, it should look great there
[05:16] <ahoneybun> true but I am using the right code, the only thing I can do is resize it
[05:17] <ahoneybun> still nothing
[05:17] <valorie> yup, another reasons wikis suck a bit
[05:18] <ahoneybun> wait getting i
[05:18] <ahoneybun> it
[05:20] <ahoneybun> got it in firefox good
[05:21] <ahoneybun> valorie: refresh your browser ;)
[05:21] <valorie> great!
[05:22] <ahoneybun> oh yea
[05:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: looks good in konqueror as well
[05:24] <ahoneybun> valorie: awesome!
[05:32] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: it is scary a bit, I mostly just don't know how to work this out
[05:34] <valorie> how to work what out?
[05:35] <ahoneybun> valorie: organize all this
[05:36] <ahoneybun> there are 26 different folders in docs and I want to lower that by combining them
[05:37] <valorie> ahoneybun: that def. sounds like the best idea
[05:38] <valorie> what helps me is to write stuff out with a pen and paper
[05:38] <ahoneybun> like media, photos, and videos can be in the same categorie
[05:38] <valorie> maybe cut it up
[05:38] <ahoneybun> that is good
[05:38] <valorie> and then move them around until they seem to flow right
[05:38] <ahoneybun> yea
[05:38] <valorie> for some reason my brain works better with actual STUFF
[05:39] <ahoneybun> same here
[05:56] <ahoneybun> got them down to 5 
[06:02] <ahoneybun> well 4
[06:05] <valorie> \o/
[06:05] <ahoneybun> what does that mean lol
[06:06] <valorie> hands in the air?
[06:07] <ahoneybun> lol
[06:08] <smartboyhw> \o/ means hurray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:10] <ahoneybun> what for lol
[06:12] <valorie> simplifying!
[06:13] <smartboyhw> Yep \o/
[06:13] <ahoneybun> yea true
[06:13] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[06:14] <valorie> awesome
[06:14] <valorie> but what is "interworkings"?
[06:16] <ahoneybun> community- bug reports, development, support, contact
[06:17] <valorie> how about: community
[06:17] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Use valorie's suggestion instead
[06:17] <valorie> or getting involved
[06:17] <valorie> might be more "open"
[06:18] <ahoneybun> both of those I thought of lol
[06:18] <ahoneybun> what about "Our Community"?
[06:18] <valorie> this is my thought: we know what we mean by community
[06:18] <valorie> but absolute newcomers won't
[06:19] <valorie> getting involved is generic
[06:19] <valorie> but everyone will know what it means
[06:19] <valorie> and if you have a sentence about it, with the list above, people will know for sure
[06:20] <ahoneybun> yea
[06:21] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: thats for sure
[06:25] <valorie> the more clear and plain we can be, the better
[06:25] <valorie> also: easier to translate
[06:28] <ahoneybun> ok, I'm going to put a few pictures in here
[06:30] <ahoneybun> its beautifl
[06:30] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[06:31] <ahoneybun> *beautiful
[06:34] <valorie> looks great
[06:36] <smartboyhw> Awesome! Thanks ahoneybun
[06:37] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: for what? lol
[06:41] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: For docs making:)
[06:42] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: no problem! but I'm not done!
[06:44] <ahoneybun> not sure what to do if I have nothing in the directory it is talking about
[06:44] <smartboyhw> ahoneybun: Doing is better than none;)
[06:45] <smartboyhw> bye bye, no battrry for phone
[06:45] <valorie> once the basics are covered, we can fill the gaps
[06:46] <ahoneybun> smartboyhw: true, bye!
[06:47] <ahoneybun> valorie: you mean the once the floor plan is done, or the page "The Basics" is done
[06:47] <valorie> the floor plan
[06:47] <valorie> and most of the suitable text from the old docs
[06:48] <valorie> although we don't have to stick with those if we don't want to
[06:49] <ahoneybun> I know but its better then starting from scratch
[06:49] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[06:49] <valorie> for sure
[06:51] <ahoneybun> its almost 3am here
[06:51] <valorie> when you're done, I'll edit a bit
[06:53] <ahoneybun> ok soon I will be
[06:53] <ahoneybun> cuz I should not stay up to late
[06:54] <valorie> you can decide tomorrow if my edits are suitable
[06:54] <valorie> :-)
[06:56] <ahoneybun> well here it is tomorrow lol
[06:56] <valorie> almost here too
[06:56] <ahoneybun> ok refresh I added some more
[06:57] <ahoneybun> made changes anyway
[06:57] <valorie> question
[06:57] <ahoneybun> shot
[06:57] <valorie> why is the basic linux system "kubuntu basics?"
[06:57] <ahoneybun> true
[06:57] <valorie> we want most people to use the gui tools, true?
[06:58] <valorie> I think what you've got is good, but it seems like "linux basics" to me
[06:58] <ahoneybun> refresh
[07:00] <ahoneybun> that is why I should not be writting at 3 in the morning lol
[07:00] <valorie> I'll work on that a bit
[07:00] <valorie> I think it should end up near the end of the docs though
[07:00] <valorie> since it will change little if at all
[07:00] <ahoneybun> ok I'm hitting the bed and netflix 
[07:00] <valorie> this really is linux basics
[07:01] <ahoneybun> basics last thought?
[07:01] <valorie> it would look the same in puppy, or opensuse
[07:01] <ahoneybun> though
[07:01] <valorie> you'll see in the morning!
[07:01] <ahoneybun> true with some changes
[07:01] <valorie> only for clarity
[07:01] <ahoneybun> ok see yea
[07:01] <valorie> thanks for all your work!
[07:01] <ahoneybun> no problem doing my part!
[07:20] <valorie> ahoneybun: these images should be uploaded to the wiki
[08:24] <valorie> ahoneybun: my edits don't seem to be "taking" -- one of the links is spelled wrong, and saving the fix isn't working
[08:24] <valorie> so I think I've done what I can tonight
[08:25] <valorie> I really think that the linux basics should go near the end
[08:25] <valorie> Kubuntu up top, then KDE, then Linux
[08:25] <valorie> IMO
[09:02] <apachelogger> someone broke zic :(
[10:03] <smartboyhw> ScottK: Is the election vote changeable BTW? I have never used CIVS.
[10:04] <apachelogger> why is there no "want the old people back"?
[10:06] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: ?
[10:14] <Riddell> valorie: that sounds like you're doing docs?
[10:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5035TY5RSpg
[10:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You know about the answer? ^
[10:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6EaoPMANQM
[10:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there ya go http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8vHASPezsY
[10:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: what what?
[10:21] <apachelogger> que?
[10:22] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Can one change his vote in CIVS after voting?
[10:23] <Riddell> looks like no
[10:23] <Riddell> it says "A vote has already been cast using your voter key."
[10:25] <smartboyhw> meh. Riddell you have voted already?
[10:27] <smartboyhw> :O
[10:32] <Riddell> yep
[10:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell: That's quick
[10:41]  * smartboyhw still needs replies, IIRC
[10:48] <smartboyhw> Heck, let us see when we can get 4.10.3 tagged:P
[10:50] <shadeslayer> Monday, need a day or two recover 
[10:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: When are you leaving for Barcelona?
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Already here
[10:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Oh good
[10:53] <smartboyhw> Heh,FC Barcelona was defeated 0-7
[10:53] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, any time to write up replies to my two questions?:P
[10:53] <shadeslayer> on monday
[10:53] <shadeslayer> A bit too tired to write proper replies
[10:53] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: So where in Barcelona are you now?
[10:53] <shadeslayer> Pinea De Mar
[10:54] <smartboyhw> i.e.?
[10:54] <shadeslayer> Nearby Spain
[10:54] <shadeslayer> erm
[10:54] <shadeslayer> Near Barcelona
[10:54] <shadeslayer> see what I mean ^^
[10:55] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Oh
[10:56] <Riddell> smartboyhw: if you need me to poke him he's sitting next to me
[10:56] <Riddell> but currently he's trying to disable me with spicy nuts
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Eh who are you meaning?
[10:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer
[10:58] <smartboyhw> Riddell: srsly?
[11:10]  * Riddell posts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/04/kubuntu-support
[11:15] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Good one!
[11:17] <Riddell> any day now
[11:19] <Riddell> ScottK: has the owncloud update question reached stalemate?
[11:42] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Does http://www.kubuntu.org/about-us need an update for the Canonical part?
[11:46] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw_: he's lunching
[11:46] <shadeslayer> though that page could use the addition of Debian
[11:47] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: I think one good thing about IRC is that I can tell people messages without needing to care that he is lunching:P
[11:47] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: And KDE
[11:47] <shadeslayer> :D
[11:47] <shadeslayer> I see KDE there
[11:47] <shadeslayer> "Powered by KDE"
[11:48] <smartboyhw_> shadeslayer: :D
[11:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: I don't even recognise that page
[11:55] <Riddell> smartboyhw_: feel free to edit it
[11:55] <Riddell> there's lots on that website which needs updated
[11:55] <Quintasan> Hello
[11:55] <Riddell> hi Quintasan 
[11:56] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Laters
[11:57] <Quintasan> Wow
[11:57] <Quintasan> Riddell: Good one, seems like we're back in business
[11:57] <Riddell> any day now
[11:57] <Quintasan> At least with regard to commercial supportl
[11:58] <Quintasan> shadeslayer, yofel: next weeked - Active packaging sprint?
[11:58] <Quintasan> weekend*even
[12:00] <shadeslayer> maybe, can't confirm as of right now
[12:03] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: I see, if you have a better date then do tell, I'm just throwing random dates since if I'm not doing any uni stuff I'm generally free
[12:04]  * Quintasan got his programming assigments done in advance
[12:04] <shadeslayer> I will most likely be free
[12:04] <shadeslayer> but I can't confirm as of right now, give me a couple of days to figure something out
[12:05] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Sure sure, no need to rush anything, saucy just opened :P
[12:08] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:10] <Quintasan> Any ideas why KDE Identity account is not used on bugs.kde.org?
[12:10] <Quintasan> I just figured I have to create separate account there
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: no i.k.o integration on Bugzilla
[12:29] <shadeslayer> someone needs to write a plugin or sth
[12:32] <Riddell> is this too grumpy? http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/04/mataro-sessions-ii
[12:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Not bad, not too grumpy if you ask me
[12:34] <smartboyhw> OK guys KDE SC 4.10.3 tarballs are 'ere
[12:35] <Riddell> boom
[12:35] <Riddell> who wants to take it up?
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Riddell: It is OK I think
[12:35] <smartboyhw> I mean the blog post
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell: According to jono (or dholbach or balloons) that "secret meeting" is held every cycle:O
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell: You will take it up. :P
[12:38] <Quintasan> Badumtss
[12:38] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: What?
[12:38] <Riddell> there's the question of do we want to do merges first or 4.10.3 first?
[12:38] <Quintasan> Nothing. Just making random noises
[12:39] <Quintasan> We want merges first
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: LOL
[12:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Merges. 
[12:40] <smartboyhw> But by the time we did all the merges there will be KDE SC 4.10.4 (:P)
[12:40] <Quintasan> No.
[12:40] <Quintasan> If you get to work instead of talking smartboyhw we will have it down quickly
[12:40] <Quintasan> :P
[12:40] <Riddell> merges will take some time but I think I agree it needs to be done first
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Eh, I can't work these days, it's near exams. :P
[12:41] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Then what the hell are you doing here? Go and study or something :P
[12:42] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Or rather, I am grounded for computers.
[12:42] <yofel> smartboyhw, Riddell: merges first
[12:42] <yofel> but that doesn't mean you can't do the 4.10.3 SRU packages
[12:42] <yofel> just skip saucy
[12:42] <smartboyhw> That's a unison:P
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yofel I agree, we should merge first
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: maybe we can pin down some of them with apachelogger this week?
[12:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I do want to get cracking on them
[12:43] <shadeslayer> make an announcement that we're not doing 4.10.3 for a bit since we're mergin first
[12:43] <shadeslayer> *merging
[12:44] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I see, that seems more legitimate an excuse rather than exams :P
[12:44] <Quintasan> shadeslayer might know something about the latter :P
[12:44] <shadeslayer> exams @_@
[12:45] <Quintasan> Well, Food Time
[12:47] <smartboyhw> Quintasan: Heh
[12:48] <Quintasan> I'll get to merging today since I'm done with uni magic
[13:05] <ryanakca> valorie: If I remember correctly, the goal a couple of years ago was to get the website to match the wiki theme :)
[13:13] <apachelogger> !sru
[13:22] <Riddell> ponderous question, what does Kubuntu want from KDE?
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ?
[13:24] <Riddell> any apps would be good to have? any experiences can be improved?
[13:24] <Riddell> I'm thining activities needs improved
[13:24] <Riddell> also ms export in calligra
[13:27] <apachelogger> a working clock kcm would be nice :O
[13:28] <yofel> a sane way to configure file sharing between computers (AFAIK the samba stuff is rather broken)
[13:28] <apachelogger> no one shares files
[13:29] <yofel> not everyone uses dropbox...
[13:29] <yofel> nor owncloud
[13:29] <apachelogger> no, I mean that
[13:29] <apachelogger> one uses upnp
[13:29] <yofel> well, we don't use hupnp
[13:29] <apachelogger> file sharing is a shit concept for 300000000% of the usescase
[13:29]  * Riddell thinks apachelogger may not be entirely serious
[13:29] <apachelogger> also hupnp is crap
[13:29] <apachelogger> but that is another story
[13:29] <apachelogger> also it does not offer what we need
[13:31] <apachelogger> essentially we/KDE has no upnp middleware solution that would allow apps to easily get upnp integration (short of KIO) or share data using upnp (i.e. a server)
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell: LOL
[13:32] <smartboyhw> Seriously apachelogger, whay is upup and  hupnp?
[13:33] <apachelogger> :O
[13:33] <apachelogger> que?
[13:33] <yofel> smartboyhw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Plug_and_Play ?
[13:33] <apachelogger> [Build #4547391] i386 build of kde-workspace 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 in ubuntu saucy PROPOSED someone tell whoever broke boost that they also broke workspace :P
[13:34] <yofel> smartboyhw: hupnp is some qt integration of that http://sourceforge.net/projects/hupnp/
[13:34] <yofel> it's an optional dependency of kdelibs, but we don't use it
[13:34]  * yofel remembers it being rather annoying last time we tried
[13:35] <Riddell> I was advised by the author not to use it
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell: heh
[13:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 1174495 SRU incoming until .3 hits raring
[13:46] <apachelogger> also saucy doesn't build because boost is fried
[13:47] <debfx> do we have logs of the qdbus upgrade bug? I could only find bug #1155687 but that doesn't have much information
[13:47] <Riddell> yum, deep fried boost
[13:47] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:47] <apachelogger> debfx: yofel would know
[13:48] <apachelogger> he was looking into it
[13:48] <Riddell> http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2013/04/29/short-tip-fix-qdbus-problems-during-a-kubuntu-upgrade-to-13-04/ have anything?
[13:48] <yofel> only shortly until I was distraced by our plasma setup
[13:48] <yofel> the only upgrade logs I got from someone showed that even before the upgrade only qdbus:i386 existed
[13:49] <yofel> and he couldn't find a removal of qdbus:amd64 in the logs, which is fishy but I didn't have time to replicate the situation yet
[13:49] <yofel> debfx: http://nopaste.info/4f9ca10823.html
[13:49] <apachelogger> well
[13:50] <apachelogger> there is nothing wrong with qdbus:i386 being the only installed one :P
[13:50] <apachelogger> in <13.04
[13:50] <yofel> well, you can only have one, right. But using i386 on amd64 sounds kind of wrong
[13:50] <yofel> though it shouldn't fail either
[13:51] <apachelogger> so the problem is perhaps not so much that qdbus:amd64 did go away at some point in the past, but that the upgrade does not make sure the system ends up with qdbus:i386 (or the qtchooser thingy manages to pick up i386 on amd64 or something)
[13:51] <debfx> qdbus is multi-arch:foreign so apt should always prefer the native architecture
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: [we want from kde] language settings not kde specific?
[14:00] <smartboyhw> OK I have some 1.5 hours to work on some packaging. Any ideas?
[14:01] <Riddell> start atthe start
[14:01] <Riddell> pkg-kde-tools I'd think
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm?
[14:03] <Riddell> shared-mime-info
[14:03] <Riddell> phonon
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meh....
[14:03] <smartboyhw> That takes more than 1.5 hours for me.
[14:03] <Riddell> maybe cmake needs a merge
[14:03] <Riddell> shared-mime-info is trivial
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I thought of an idea: Since I have never done KDE SC packaging before, let me try 4.10.3.:P (Of course merges are important, but :P)
[14:05] <Riddell> oh sure you can try running the magic script
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :P
[14:05] <Riddell> but I think that also takes more than 1.5 hours
[14:05] <Riddell> of course you could get it stared and someone else take over if it's on an ec2
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, sure
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, give me an EC2 plz
[14:06] <ScottK> smartboyhw: If you got to your vote URL again that was in the email, I think you can change it, but I'm not sure.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> ScottK, according to Riddell not
[14:06] <Riddell> smartboyhw: lp id?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Riddell, smartboyhw :P
[14:07] <smartboyhw> smartboyhw is my basic internet language
[14:07] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:07] <ScottK> Riddell: No discussion either way so far on the TB list.  I'll ping the list tomorrow.
[14:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: Just make sure you commit the workspace change to bzr then.
[14:07] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] kwin instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[14:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: Accepted.
[14:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: ubuntu@ec2-54-224-229-193.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[14:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: run byobu
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did it before:)
[14:12] <ScottK> xnox: apachelogger will/has put a patch in bzr we need to make sure gets into saucy when you upload for the boost transition.
[14:12] <ScottK> (kde-workspace)
[14:12] <Riddell> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/
[14:12] <smartboyhw> doing
[14:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ^
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Riddell, meh Permission denied (publickey)
[14:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: use http
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ?
[14:14] <Riddell> you can branch using an http url
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, oh really?
[14:15] <Riddell> try http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation/
[14:15] <smartboyhw> Riddell, good thanks:)
[14:16] <smartboyhw> done
[14:16] <debfx> yofel: the problem seems to be that on the precise upgrade apt installed qdbus:i386 and now qtchooser only considers native arch binaries so qdbus is broken
[14:16] <Riddell> kubuntu-initial-upload is the first one I think
[14:19] <smartboyhw> Riddell, do I need the --sru argument? Shouldn't right?
[14:20] <Riddell> um, I don't know
[14:20] <Riddell> since it's for a sru I think so yes
[14:20] <yofel> debfx: qtchooser issue then?
[14:20] <Riddell> sru here just means ppa backport
[14:20] <yofel> smartboyhw: you need
[14:20] <yofel> it
[14:21] <yofel> smartboyhw: it's a switch for script behaviour
[14:21] <yofel> and 4.10.3 will end up in raring-updates as an SRU
[14:22] <debfx> yofel: depends on your POV. it really doesn't make sense to have qdbus:i386 on amd64 in the first place.
[14:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[14:22] <smartboyhw> OK try time;P
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Meh it failed
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ....
[14:23] <yofel> smartboyhw: to be concrete: normally the script uses bzr and updates everything, with --sru it doesn't use bzr and does a diff check for every package to decide whether it has to be updated
[14:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, ah
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Anyway, it failed:P
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Downloading the tar
[14:23] <yofel> then ~/.ssh/config is missing
[14:24] <yofel> probably
[14:25] <smartboyhw> yofel, mine is empty too
[14:25] <yofel> see README
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Hmm it just simply can't connect to the sftp
[14:30] <smartboyhw> yofel, ^
[14:31] <smartboyhw> I might have to import my own gpg key:O
[14:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: is your ssh key on the box?
[14:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, that's the question. Probably not
[14:31] <Riddell> you'll need to put your ssh key on it
[14:31] <yofel> you need sftp access to ftpmaster
[14:31] <smartboyhw> That's after all an EC2
[14:31] <smartboyhw> Uh
[14:31] <Riddell> be very veyr sure to kick me out first
[14:31] <Riddell> and stop me being able to get back in until you remove your key
[14:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:32] <smartboyhw> How to kick ya?
[14:32]  * smartboyhw is an idiot of EC2s sorry
[14:32] <Riddell> kill my bash process
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell, um there are three.....
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Looks like I need to stay away and study a Linux course
[14:34] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:35] <smartboyhw> OK I know who's you now
[14:35] <Riddell> smartboyhw: last will say I'm pts/0 so kill the bash on pts/0
[14:36] <smartboyhw> Riddell, did it work?
[14:36] <Riddell> you kicked me out!
[14:36] <Riddell> don't you love me any more?
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Riddell, ouch:P
[14:37] <smartboyhw> Sorry
[14:37] <smartboyhw> :P
[14:37] <Riddell> :)
[14:39] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm I already HAVE that key  imported
[14:39] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:40] <Riddell> smartboyhw: needs your private key on the server
[14:40] <Riddell> scp .ssh/* server:.ssh/
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, host computer or ec2?
[14:40] <Riddell> from your local to ec2 server
[14:40] <Riddell> (arguably this is very bad security because amazon staff can see it, that's a risk I'm fine with but it's up to you)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell: scp: ambiguous target
[14:42] <smartboyhw>  
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:42] <Riddell> what target did you give it?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the full link of the ec2
[14:43] <Riddell> pastebin?
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, 
[14:44] <smartboyhw> http://paste.kde.org/737570/
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Riddell, actually wait
[14:44] <smartboyhw> It makes sense!
[14:44] <smartboyhw> Look at the latest e-mail of kde-packager
[14:44] <Riddell> remove the * at the end
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the script won't work at all:P
[14:45] <smartboyhw> the /src thing is missing
[14:45] <Riddell> that should be easy enough to fix
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Riddell, heh
[14:47] <yofel> that's a one-line fix in line 174
[14:48] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep:)
[14:49] <smartboyhw> yofel,  * files belong to ftpadmin:ftp instead of ftpadmin:packager
[14:49] <smartboyhw>  is that a problem?
[14:49] <yofel> shouldn't as long as you can download them
[14:51] <smartboyhw> yofel, woohoo it's ready to upload
[14:52] <smartboyhw> No damn it isn't
[14:52] <yofel> lol no, the script should need quite a while until it finishes
[14:52] <smartboyhw> yofel, wrong link I did
[14:53] <yofel> esp. as it need to download everything twice
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Heh
[14:54]  * yofel just remembered that he needs to enable the status pages
[14:54] <smartboyhw> yofel, thx
[14:55] <smartboyhw> hmm the structure of the changed line should be correct
[14:55] <yofel> diff?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, um it just removes the /src/
[14:56] <smartboyhw> actually. /src :P
[14:56] <yofel> hm, should work, yeah
[14:56]  * yofel checks what's on ftpmaster
[14:56] <yofel> oh
[14:57] <yofel> src/ is now there ^^
[14:57] <yofel> so revert that again
[14:57] <smartboyhw> yofel, damn
[14:57] <yofel> he just fixed it
[14:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm no doesn't work (even adding back /src/)
[14:58] <yofel> log?
[14:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5632468/
[14:59] <yofel> *blink*
[14:59] <yofel> wipe the work dir and try again?
[15:00] <smartboyhw> meh
[15:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm doesn't work
[15:00] <yofel> ...
[15:00] <yofel> let me try
[15:01] <yofel> smartboyhw: where's the SRU bug?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> yofel, SRU bug?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> ?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> ?
[15:01] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:01] <yofel> oh ^^
[15:01] <yofel> we need to document that
[15:02] <yofel> like bug 1094523
[15:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, ;O tell me earlier
[15:02] <yofel> sorry, we forgot -.-
[15:02] <smartboyhw> OK then
[15:03] <yofel> smartboyhw: the packages need to close that bug later for the SRU upload
[15:03] <yofel> so create it now and pass it in -m
[15:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[15:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, or rather, help me get done with the script first:P
[15:04] <yofel> uh, seems to work here
[15:05] <yofel> ./kubuntu-initial-upload -d raring -v 4.10.3 -m "New upstream bugfix release (LP: #XXX)" -t /tmp/4103/ --sru
[15:08] <smartboyhw> yofel, no
[15:08] <smartboyhw> Just one line
[15:08] <smartboyhw> What?
[15:09] <yofel> that's how I call the script
[15:09] <yofel> and it works for me
[15:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, hack, it doesn't.
[15:09] <yofel> $ ./kubuntu-initial-upload -d raring -v 4.10.3 -m "New upstream bugfix release" -t /tmp/foo/ --sru
[15:09] <yofel> kdelibs-4.10.3.tar.xz                                                                                                                                        100%   11MB   3.8MB/s   00:03    
[15:09] <yofel> pull-lp-source: Downloading kde4libs version 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu2
[15:09] <yofel> ...
[15:09] <smartboyhw> yofel, not in here
[15:09] <smartboyhw> At all
[15:09] <yofel> hm
[15:10] <yofel> weird that it doesn't show an error
[15:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, no error at all
[15:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: how and where are you running it?
[15:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, almost the same as you
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Just the bug number changed
[15:11] <smartboyhw> Actually, is it impossible to run on my local computer?
[15:12] <yofel> not really, you'll just need a few GiB of network bandwidth
[15:12] <yofel> traffic rather
[15:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh
[15:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] kwin instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[15:12] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[15:12] <yofel> hey
[15:13] <lordievader> Hey yofel, how are?
[15:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: you did remove the temp dir contents?
[15:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep
[15:13] <yofel> lordievader: busy with life and work lately, otherwise well 
[15:13] <yofel> smartboyhw: I don't get it...
[15:14] <yofel> smartboyhw: can you scp something from ftpmaster yourself?
[15:14] <smartboyhw> yofel, ?
[15:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: can you sftp into ftpmaster and download something there?
[15:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: and are you running the script in the kubuntu-automation checkout or somewhere else?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, checkout and trying to sftp
[15:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, no
[15:16] <yofel> the *only* way for it to do nothing but what you see is when the list of packages is empty
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Permission denied 
[15:16] <smartboyhw> ...
[15:16] <yofel> ...
[15:16]  * smartboyhw hates ssh key problems
[15:16] <yofel> smartboyhw: sftp ftpubuntu@ftpmaster.kde.org
[15:16] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep that's what I did
[15:16] <yofel> not good
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Permission denied (publickey)
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Oh Lord
[15:17] <smartboyhw> I'm running out of my 1.5-2 hour limit
[15:17] <yofel> uh
[15:17] <smartboyhw> meh
[15:18] <yofel> I see no key named howard chen on ftpmaster...
[15:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, that's a chan ;P
[15:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, and I can access it here
[15:18] <yofel> oops, sorry
[15:18] <smartboyhw> I'm sure
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell added me in
[15:18] <yofel> ah, riddell named it differently...
[15:18] <smartboyhw> yofel, eh?
[15:18] <smartboyhw> How did he name it then?
[15:19] <yofel> usually you put #Name <email> as a comment
[15:19] <yofel> he did
[15:19] <yofel> #https://launchpad.net/~smartboyhw
[15:19] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[15:19] <yofel> but yeah, smartboyhw@smartboyhw-Compaq-Presario-CQ41-Notebook-PC is there
[15:19] <smartboyhw> yofel, yep
[15:19] <smartboyhw> That's my SSH key
[15:19] <yofel> so that's not on the EC2 after all
[15:19] <yofel> .ssh/id_rsa probably
[15:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, grrr
[15:22] <smartboyhw> I'd really rather try uploading GBs rather than using EC2s.
[15:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to shutdown EC2s?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> yofel, it doesn't work even on my local computer
[15:30] <smartboyhw> what?
[15:30] <smartboyhw> Permission denied
[15:30] <smartboyhw> again
[15:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: poweroff
[15:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: but you can login from the shell?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, from dolphin yes
[15:31] <yofel> smartboyhw: then you forgot to set .ssh/config for the script maybe?
[15:31] <smartboyhw> yofel, I did
[15:32] <yofel> then I don't know... add some debugging output to the script to find out where it fails
[15:32]  * smartboyhw thinks his ssh key is going into serious trouble
[15:32] <yofel> does the key require a password and you're not using ssh-agent?
[15:33] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes that key has a passwd
[15:34] <smartboyhw> How to determine I'm using ssh-agent?
[15:34] <yofel> did you run ssh-add before running the script?
[15:34] <smartboyhw> yofel, what's ssh-add?
[15:34] <yofel>      ssh-add — adds private key identities to the authentication agent
[15:35] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[15:35] <yofel> it prompts you for the password so that the key stays open
[15:35] <smartboyhw> damn that may be the problem
[15:35] <yofel> probably
[15:36] <smartboyhw> yofel, retrying
[15:36] <smartboyhw> no
[15:36] <yofel> can you open 'sftp ftpmaster.kde.org' without any kind of prompt?
[15:36] <yofel> or ssh
[15:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes
[15:37] <smartboyhw> sftp
[15:37] <yofel> then I'm out of ideas :(
[15:37] <smartboyhw> meh
[15:37]  * smartboyhw gives up
[15:37] <yofel> I'll run the script then
[15:38]  * smartboyhw condemns the whole complicated ssh concept
[15:38] <smartboyhw> Thank you yofel:)
[15:38] <yofel> what's the sru bug?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, reply to the questions in email?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, Bug 1176358
[15:38] <yofel> not yet, I'll do that later
[15:38] <smartboyhw> yofel, :)
[15:38] <yofel> thanks
[15:39]  * smartboyhw cries:P
[15:41] <yofel> at least it's skipping a lot ^^
[15:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[15:45] <yofel> grrr
[15:45] <smartboyhw> yofel, ?
[15:46] <yofel> I never got around to fix the dep version update part
[15:46] <yofel> it just goes and bumps all packages in kdesc-dev-latest-raring.txt
[15:46] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh
[15:46] <yofel> so most packages will end up in dep-wait for packages that are never uploaded
[15:47] <smartboyhw> yofel, meh
[15:47] <yofel> needs manual fixing later for now
[15:51] <yofel> yay, script crashed because kdenetwork has a +dfsg suffix
[15:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, yay
[15:53] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:54] <yofel> ok, next try...
[16:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Nexus7/Installation#Manually_Installing_Ubuntu_13.04_on_Nexus_7
[17:41] <ahoneybun> Riddell: the new images fail to mount as well
[17:42] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I think that depends on some subtle difference in the nexus version
[17:42] <Riddell> cos that's the case with one of mine but the other one gets as far as plymouth but then no X
[17:42] <ahoneybun> oh? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail
[17:43] <Riddell> ahoneybun: you and valorie made a decision then to go with the wiki route?
[17:43] <ahoneybun> Yea it seems the best way for everyone
[17:44] <Riddell> good, a decision is made :)
[17:44] <Riddell> now feel free to take this apart
[17:44] <Riddell> like say this will be read by my mum "Linux is an operating system kernel that resembles the Unix operating system."  is scary
[17:45] <Riddell> "Linux Basics" starting with command line is scary
[17:46] <Riddell> I think it should be more focused on common tasks "how do I set up my e-mail" or "how do I install firefox" etc
[17:46] <ahoneybun> yea
[17:46] <jjesse-home> the kubuntu docs basics page has always focused on the command line
[17:47] <jjesse-home> and also the filesystem
[17:47] <jjesse-home> not that it always being that way makes it right :)
[17:48] <jjesse-home> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/saucy/kubuntu-docs/saucy/view/head:/docs/basics/C/basics.xml
[17:48] <Riddell> I think that's fine to be in there but it shouldn't be the first chapter
[17:49] <Riddell> cor who made that saucy branch?
[17:49] <ahoneybun> thats the same as the one I am working from
[17:50] <Riddell> hmm I'm confused that's the import of the package in ubuntu, but I deleted the package in ubuntu
[17:51] <jjesse-home> i don't know maybe someone from the doc team?
[17:51] <jjesse-home> i have to confess i don't do much doc work these days anymore
[17:52] <jjesse-home> but thats what lp:kubuntu-docs points to
[17:53] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I have the 24 topics put into 4 main topics are I have it layed out so far, just I don't think it would look good if the page kept going on and on
[17:55] <yofel> xnox: bug 1163504 was only about removing the skype png's for kdenetwork and oxygen-icons, right?
[17:56] <Riddell> yofel: yes
[17:56] <yofel> ok
[17:56] <Riddell> and ktp
[17:56] <Riddell> I need to remove those from upstream
[17:57] <yofel> that would be great
[17:58] <Riddell> replace rather than remove would be better
[17:59] <skellat> I did some opening edits to xubuntu-docs that could be used to build off of for kubuntu-docs including our offline package management chapter: https://code.launchpad.net/~skellat/xubuntu-docs/xubuntu-docs/
[18:02]  * skellat wanders back to the Federal Communications Commission report he was reading
[18:04] <yofel> great... kdelibs has missing symbols
[18:13] <ahoneybun> Riddell: you said to upload the images to the wiki?
[18:39] <shadeslayer> I still can't flash the userdata partition on Riddell's Nexus 7
[19:06] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: does it freeze?
[19:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[19:07] <shadeslayer> trying to flash it for the third time :S
[19:07] <ahoneybun> do fastboot flash -S 256M userdata /path/to/.img
[19:08] <shadeslayer> what does that do ?
[19:09] <shadeslayer> sends it in smaller parts?
[19:09] <ahoneybun> yea
[19:09] <ahoneybun> not as much of a overload
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ah makes sense
[19:10] <ahoneybun> gets it on to the n7 but I still have problems with it mounting the /root
[19:14] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: there should be a omgkubuntu.com lol
[19:25] <ahoneybun> maybe I should make the wiki kinda like this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners%27_Guide
[19:51] <ahoneybun> how is it going shadeslayer?
[19:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: You don't love Telepathy KDE anymore? :(
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: it flashed
[20:03] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: I was playing some table tennis :P
[20:05] <ahoneybun> what lol
[20:05] <ahoneybun> Quintasan: I think it is nice but just needs more integation into the desktop like GNOME has
[20:09] <Riddell> Quintasan: why do you think I'm sitting at the opposite end of the table from d_ed
[20:09] <Quintasan> Riddell: Ask him to implement renaming contacts :P
[20:10] <Quintasan> Riddell: >The membership status of Jonathan Riddell (jr) in the team Telepathy KDE
[20:10] <Quintasan>  (telepathy-kde) was changed by the user from Approved to Deactivated.
[20:10] <Quintasan> :(
[20:19] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: what's the username / password for the N7?
[20:19] <Quintasan> Darkwing: Y U CUT UR HAIR
[20:19] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/UsingTheDevice
[20:19] <Quintasan> You looked like a rock band drummer with long hair dude
[20:21] <ahoneybun> shadeslayer: I'm not sure I thought that you set that up in the installer
[20:22] <ahoneybun> that and I could never get that far
[20:23] <shadeslayer> hmm
[20:23] <shadeslayer> not really
[20:24] <shadeslayer> I have a login screen
[20:24] <shadeslayer> using screen + /dev/ttyACM0
[20:26] <ahoneybun> I'm stuck at it telling it can't mount /root
[20:27] <shadeslayer> huh
[20:27] <shadeslayer> I just used the img files from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[20:27] <shadeslayer> and it does boot
[20:27] <shadeslayer> except that it shows nothing on the screen
[20:27] <shadeslayer> just like the N10
[20:28] <ahoneybun> I get text
[20:29] <ahoneybun> saying "mount
[20:29] <ahoneybun> "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p9 on /root failed: Invalid argument
[20:29] <shadeslayer> ahoneybun: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/05/04/plasma-desktopc14045.png
[20:30] <ahoneybun> It tells me there is no such file or directory
[20:31] <ahoneybun> anyway I got to go to work bbl
[23:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: shadeslayer is weak, it's 1am and he is going to bed.................
[23:08] <apachelogger> and there is still beer available......
[23:08] <shadeslayer> sleeeepyyy
[23:08] <shadeslayer> and I have a presentation tomorrow
[23:09] <apachelogger> I had one today and I went to bed when the sun was rising again :P
[23:09] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[23:10] <valorie> you know what happens when you burn the candle at both ends
[23:10] <valorie> you end up with a short candle
[23:11] <apachelogger> oO
[23:11] <shadeslayer> I don't think you're left with a candle
[23:11] <apachelogger> that sounds sexual, but weird
[23:11] <valorie> lol
[23:11] <valorie> me, weird?
[23:11] <valorie> never
[23:41] <sreich> definitely sexual.
[23:45] <valorie> that I never denied
[23:45] <valorie> lol
[23:45] <valorie> off to dinner.....