[00:00] <shauno> hm, cloud-init isn't doing its magic.  I wonder if it's bedtime yet
[00:16] <redtape> shauno. I seem to spend half my time informing yanks that their youtube videos dont work with /that/ type-a music license on it , over here .  [!! gruff gruff]
[00:19] <shauno> my biggest gripe with youtube is that I get adverts in french.  even when I'm logged in
[00:25] <redtape> shauno: My biggest problem is a flirting lance every month of videos from 'nixie pixel'. who ccould be in an old ipod advert or perhaps one of these : http://bit.ly/17CrxKA
[00:37] <redtape> OT | OK so the question of the night is : If I were to pimp this [ http://bit.ly/18j1Y2L ] out (replacing & upgrading all components incl. 3d printed keyboard etc) with everything modern - except keeping the clam-shell. What components would you use (that fit obviously) to get this up-to , say, a dell-netbook standard ? & don't just say that's comparing apple with i-oranges, because that's not the point.
[00:37] <redtape> OK, goodluck, good-night, and happy spiral dreams !
[01:01] <diddledan> http://www.firstmenonthemoon.com/
[01:01] <diddledan> I'll just leave that there
[08:59] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[09:44] <dwatkins> allo allo
[09:47] <brobostigon> morning dwatkins
[09:48] <dwatkins> I have successfully posted a care package to a friend for her birthday, so I can sit back and relax and potter around fixing things at home for the rest of the day now.
[09:49] <dwatkins> One day, there will be a Star Wars game for Ubuntu that they can put on offer for May the Fourth.
[10:08] <SuperMatt> so... whose up for a game of l4d2?
[10:18] <dwatkins> yeah, SuperMatt
[10:19]  * dwatkins is 'glymph' on Steam
[10:24] <SuperMatt> dwatkins: steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434248589 <- click that
[10:28] <dwatkins> my IRC session is on another machine and it doesn't seem to work in the browser on Win8
[10:28] <SuperMatt> oh right
[10:29] <dwatkins> silly windows
[10:29]  * dwatkins reboots as he's lost his mouse on the first display having alt-tabbed out of the game
[10:29] <SuperMatt> does your picture have a mullet?
[10:29] <dwatkins> no, it's the blue one from Bubble Bobble
[10:29] <SuperMatt> invite sent
[10:30] <dwatkins> ta, now grub has decided to ruin my day...
[10:30] <SuperMatt> lollers
[10:31] <dwatkins> there we go, restarting
[10:33] <SuperMatt> sweet
[10:35] <dwatkins> hooray for not having to use windows
[10:35] <SuperMatt> :)
[10:35] <SuperMatt> I should have said that earlier
[10:36] <dwatkins> no worries, today I learned something awesome :D
[10:37] <dwatkins> Steam appears to be entirely 32-bit.
[10:37] <SuperMatt> yuppers
[10:38] <dwatkins> Hopefully this will be fine, it's busy installing stuff now, updating.
[10:38] <SuperMatt> it will be :)
[10:38] <SuperMatt> so, you've not upgraded to raring?
[10:38] <dwatkins> not yet, is it relatively painless?
[10:38] <SuperMatt> yus
[10:38] <SuperMatt> it's the most painless release yet
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I might move my laptop over to saucy
[10:39] <dwatkins> cool, will pencil that in for tomorrow morning
[10:39] <dwatkins> if the wifi driver worked booting from USB, I'd put Ubuntu on my Macbook Pro, I assume there's some kind of licensing thing there.
[10:40] <dwatkins> heh, Steam's progress windows change theme every time
[10:41] <dwatkins> <Doc Brown>Eighteen Gigabytes! </Doc Brown>
[10:42] <dwatkins> <Doc Brown>Eighteen Gigabytes?!</Doc Brown>
[10:42] <SuperMatt> is that how big it is?
[10:42] <dwatkins> I appear to be required to wait between 6 and 10 hours to download the beta of l4d2, yes.
[10:42] <SuperMatt> cripes, yeah it is
[10:42] <SuperMatt> dang
[10:43] <dwatkins> Ah, it's decreasing as it finds more peers to download from. 2 hours now.
[10:45] <SuperMatt> right, new plan for my laptop, 5 partitions: raring 32 (for work vpn purposes), saucy 64, arch, magia and finally a partition for any os that I wanna test
[10:46] <dwatkins> you must reboot a lot ;)
[10:46] <SuperMatt> my laptop, yes, because it's not used for anything because messing around
[10:46] <dwatkins> aha cool, I have a netbook that I use for that sort of thing
[10:47] <SuperMatt> my desktop is the one machine that I don't upgrade until release
[10:47] <dwatkins> I tend to mostly use my desktop for gaming, so it doesn't make a gigantic difference what it's running.
[10:51] <dwatkins> It's neat that I can throw a text file at Festival and have it read it out whilst I do other stuff.
[10:52] <SuperMatt> that's cool
[10:52] <dwatkins> http://www.xenocafe.com/tutorials/php/festival_text_to_speech/ for the curious (I didn't follow this, but it might be all you need)
[10:54] <dwatkins> Not sure how you select voices, I changed the config file.
[10:54] <Nafallo> dwatkins: I tried that with an IRClog back in 2005. didn't work very well ;-)
[10:54] <Nafallo> it kept saying < > :-P
[10:58] <dwatkins> haha, yeah - it doesn't do too well with things like that - I'm listening to it read out the history of usenet, and it keeps saying the section numbers like they're part of a sentence.
[11:00] <dwatkins> for the curious: http://www.columbia.edu/~rh120/ch106.x10
[13:45] <popey> yayMorning!
[13:51] <dwatkins> SuperMatt: the game failed to start, so I'm trying an upgrade to Raring.
[13:51] <dwatkins> ello popey
[13:51] <dwatkins> I trust all goes well.
[13:51] <popey> ya
[13:51] <popey> \o/ home
[13:52] <AlanBell> o/ popey
[13:52] <dwatkins> Welcome back to the land of semi-skimmed milk and slightly concerned beekepers.
[13:56] <SuperMatt> dwatkins: D:
[13:58] <popey> also, no buffalo wings
[13:58] <popey> i had buffalo wings almost every day while out there
[13:58] <MartijnVdS> flying buffalo?
[14:00]  * dwatkins notes that xscreensaver has been removed
[14:00] <dwatkins> How will I get my GLMatrix now? :'(
[14:04] <popey> !info xscreensaver
[14:04] <popey> that bot probably should be updated to raring
[14:10] <ali1234> http://imagebin.org/256410
[14:11] <ali1234> unity screen corruption
[14:11] <SuperMatt> now x-screensaver has been removed, does that mean that a more thematically consistant unlock screen can be made?
[14:11] <ali1234> raring seems to be the worst version yet
[14:11] <ali1234> SuperMatt: no, because that was never xscreensaver in the first place
[14:11] <SuperMatt> I couldn't disagree more
[14:11] <brobostigon> new dr who tonight, bbc1 6.30pm, :)
[14:12] <SuperMatt> ali1234: sure, but I think that x-screensaver was then calling a different library for unlocking
[14:12] <SuperMatt> or something
[14:12] <dwatkins> from what I understood, the unlock screen was simple for security reasons
[14:12] <dwatkins> I'm not bothered about the password entry box, I just want to have GLMatrix as my screensaver :D
[14:15] <ali1234> also, in what sense has xscreensaver been removed? it is still in the repositories like always
[14:16] <ali1234> it hasn't been installed by default since about 2007
[14:18] <dwatkins> oh, I got the impression from the upgrade that it was going to be removed from my system
[14:19] <ali1234> probably, upgrading often does weird things
[14:19] <dwatkins> fair enough, I'll have a look assuming the upgrade completes ok second time around
[14:19] <ali1234> bug 1176348
[14:20] <ali1234> may or may not be related to 1174054
[14:21] <popey> surely xscreensaver has been unmaintained upstream for _years_ ? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=xscreensaver
[14:23] <dwatkins> I'll screenshot any further messages about it.
[14:24] <dwatkins> Perhaps because the default is to use gnome-screensaver, it removes xscreensaver when upgrading.
[14:24] <dwatkins> discussed in bug 775369
[14:26] <ali1234> 5.2104-Feb-2013 - so unless by upstream you mean "debian"
[14:33] <popey> i thought it was abandoned upstream (not debian). maybe not.
[14:36] <popey> http://ftp-master.metadata.debian.org/changelogs/main/x/xscreensaver/unstable_changelog
[14:36] <popey> doesn't look heavily maintained
[14:38] <MartijnVdS> jwz moved on to mac stuff, didn't he?
[14:39] <popey> yes, and the DNA Lounge
[14:47] <dwatkins> a 24/7 pizza place, nice
[14:47] <dwatkins> (next door to the DNA Lounge)
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> L4D2 Beta for Linux!
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> on Steam
[15:04] <MartijnVdS> "Preparing Left 4 Dead 2 Beta files for install..."
[15:06] <dwatkins> It's a bit of a big download.
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> only 11.5GB
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> "Time remaining: 25 minutes"
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> \o/ fibre
[15:06] <SuperMatt> 18... it's 18 gig
[15:06] <MartijnVdS> oh.. it's 11 if you have the other HL2 engine stuff installed
[15:06] <SuperMatt> ah right
[15:07] <SuperMatt> makes sense
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> "5.3 MB/s current rate"
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 5.9
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 6.1
[15:07] <SuperMatt> I'm so jealous
[15:07] <MartijnVdS> 6.3
[15:08] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: 100/100 fibre, with a gbit media converter (so I can upgrade to 500/500 or 1000/1000 when $ISP allows it)
[15:10] <SuperMatt> :'(
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: come to the Netherlands, most homes will have this kind of connectivity by 2015
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> SuperMatt: stating in smaller towns, then later the bigger cities
[15:16] <ali1234> how do i hide users from the login screen?
[15:16] <SuperMatt> in /etc/lightdm/users.conf or something
[15:19] <ali1234> no, that is broken
[15:19] <ali1234> you have to give them uid < 1000
[15:19] <SuperMatt> oh
[15:19] <SuperMatt> that sucks
[15:19] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[15:19] <SuperMatt> I had no idea
[15:19] <ali1234> then they are "system" accounts
[15:20] <ali1234> which is what i actually wanted anyway
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> how hard can it be to have tests that make sure things like this don't break?
[15:20] <ali1234> it never "broke"
[15:20] <ali1234> it's never worked
[15:20] <MartijnVdS> :(
[15:21] <ali1234> i'm now back on gnome-fallback because of the screen corruption and blank windows in unity
[17:27] <brobostigon> 3 minute warning, to new dr who, bbc1.
[17:27] <SuperMatt> \o/
[17:27] <SuperMatt> I'm already seated and waiting
[17:27] <brobostigon> :) beer in hand.
[17:28] <SuperMatt> I'm off alcohol at the moment
[17:29]  * dwatkins begins streaming
[17:29] <redtape> Why is doing group calls on skype such a clusterfaq every Weekend ?
[17:33] <zleap> dunno,  i take it you mean it isn't working properly
[17:37] <SuperMatt> I do so love that sontaran
[17:38] <dwatkins> his misunderstandings are the best
[17:40] <shrik> hello all
[17:41] <SuperMatt> hello
[17:42] <Myrtti> redtape: "use Google Hangouts"
[17:43] <brobostigon> no spoilers chaps and gals, for those that have to record and not watch now.
[17:44] <SuperMatt> ok, we shan't
[17:44] <SuperMatt> but that thing with the chiken was awesome
[17:45] <Myrtti> yeah, I'm watching ice hockey *now* (because it's delayed 30mins on youtube already) and Dr. Who later
[17:49] <SuperMatt> dang, I'm now going to have to watch it later to >.<
[17:50] <SuperMatt> my mum's partner has switched the over to golf, and tbh, I wasn't fully paying attention :/
[17:50] <brobostigon> oh dear :(
[17:50] <penguin42> hmm interesting - 1st time I plugged in the Nook it ID'd as an OMAP, only now after a first boot/register is it showing up as a Nook
[17:51] <SuperMatt> nm, I'll just download an HD copy tomorrow and watch it on monday
[17:51] <brobostigon> get_iplayer :)
[17:52] <SuperMatt> eztv.it works well for me
[17:53]  * popey grabbed it via get_iplayer last week and watched it on the plane on the way back today
[17:53] <brobostigon> :)
[17:54] <dwatkins> haha, I knew that kid was going to be called that
[17:54] <dwatkins> something about the way he spoke
[18:04] <popey> no spoilers!
[18:15] <dwatkins> of course, it was a great episode though.
[18:23] <brobostigon> it was good, yes.
[18:58] <meet> I am using ubuntu gnome 13.04. I upgraded the gnome 3.6 to 3.8. But many of the features i listed on the gnome site are missing. for example search settings or clock or even classic mode. How do I get those?
[19:06] <brobostigon> meet: ok, between 3.6 and 3.8 fall back mode was removed, and uses gnome extensions to emulate something more traditional.
[19:19] <meet> brobostigon: but the privacy or search settings and the clock app? those are also not there
[19:20] <brobostigon> meet: i havemt tried 3.8 yet, so cant be of much help, sorry.
[19:20] <meet> ok..thanks
[19:21] <brobostigon> anyways i run gnome in full mode, not fallback etc, so those things are alittle difefrent.
[19:21] <meet> brobostigon: ya i also don't want the fallback mode. i was just saying that these features are missing
[19:22] <brobostigon> meet: so you dont have clock and date in top-centre? and when you press it, calendar doesnt appear?
[19:24] <brobostigon> and or*
[19:24] <meet> some features are there. clock and date are there. In 3.8 they have got something clocked clock app. or the privacy and search settings are provided for what is searched in the overview search.
[19:25] <brobostigon> clocked clock app?
[19:25] <meet> sorry.. *called clock app
[19:26] <brobostigon> meet: what happens if you reinstall gnome-shell and wipe it settings, does it go back to normal?
[19:26] <brobostigon> its*
[19:27] <meet> did not try that. I mean I am using ubuntu gnome so don't know what will happen if i remove gnome-shell itself
[19:28] <brobostigon> i dont see why it shouldnt be a problem, but some inside the upgrade might have screwed the settings, i am wondering what will happen, if you take it back to standard.
[19:29] <meet> so do you mean i remove 3.8 and downgrade to 3.6?
[19:29] <brobostigon> as long as for example, you remove gdm3 then reboot without a login manager.
[19:29] <brobostigon> meet: no, just reinstall 3.8 and wipe its settings on remove.
[19:30] <brobostigon> meet: so it starts as standard with standard settings.
[19:30] <meet> but if i do apt-get install gnome-shell it says nothing to install or upgrade
[19:30] <brobostigon> because, that is trying to install something that is already there, and a version that is already there.
[19:31] <brobostigon> apt-get purge - then apt-get install
[19:31] <brobostigon> meet: it works here, but please ask other for advice, it can go wrong.
[19:32] <meet> brobostigon: so at the end of purge.. will i have to restart?
[19:33] <brobostigon> meet: dont, as it might remove gdm3, and that will mean if it might throw you into cli on reboot, insted of gui login.
[19:33] <meet> ok.. and after removing do i add the same ppa?
[19:33] <meet> and same packages?
[19:33] <brobostigon> meet: apt-get install gnome-shell. :)
[19:34] <meet> ok..
[19:34] <brobostigon> meet: but pleaee hang out, and ask other for their opinion, i have managed to break it several times in many ways.
[19:46] <stevepdp> hey folks
[23:35] <penguin42> hmph raring's file's what kernel 2.6.32 at least; a bit new to stuff onto a random ARM device, wheezy's armhf is happy with 2.6.26