[06:20] morning all, early hey magespawn [06:20] hows your hotel fix stanfing up [06:20] standing [06:36] quick reboot afte upgrading [06:36] wbb [06:40] hmm... reboots much faster with sudo reboot than via the shutdown way [07:05] hi Cantide everyone else is still sleeping [07:06] or gone shopping [07:08] lol [07:08] i'm going shopping soon :) [07:08] good morning :p [07:08] hehe [07:24] hi Vince-0 [07:32] morn [07:32] bbl! Ubuntu launch time - I'll get on IRC on the mobile === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [08:44] Come on 8ta, show me those wifi locations. I know it's free from the site [08:46] Trixar_za, hows your 8ta speed now? mine is much better [08:46] helps to fone and complain [08:46] Yeah mine too [08:46] Since around yesterday [08:46] ya [08:49] lol [08:49] You're kidding me [08:49] I'm not IN the block of coverage [08:50] But if I'm in the middle of Brackenfell, then I am [08:52] eish [08:54] 8ta keeps giving me free wifi data, but I can't use it :/ [08:54] Well, at least this is an excuse to go to Cape Gate [08:54] Even if it's just to use Wifi :P [08:54] ya that sucks [08:55] ive lost a few free 2g ones [08:58] hi Kilos, how are doing on this Saterday morning? ;) [08:59] hi georgelappies good ty and you? [09:00] good thanks, need to studying but yeah, difficult to get the wheel in motion as they say [09:02] study all you can lad. its the rest of your life you are studying for [09:03] thanks Kilos, is true what you say, spoken like a sage ;) [09:03] hehe [09:04] knowledge is power [09:45] remastersys makes a lekker livedvd same as booting from your drive just slower [10:06] Ullo all [10:06] * Symmetria got himself a new phone :) [10:06] hi Symmetria [10:06] heh went and bought an S4 this morning, am happy, coupla hours into it and can already see a noticeable improvement on S3 battery life [10:06] which was primary reason for buying the thing === Trixar_za is now known as Trix[a]r_za [10:57] good morning, err is it afternoon already? [10:57] lo inetpro [10:58] Kilos: why you still keep breaking your system? [10:58] not me man but its fixed without a clean install and working kiff [10:59] 03/05 20:41:24 kde makes me gray [10:59] oh because it first lost its gui when i tried to make a remastersys dvd [10:59] unity just worked [11:00] but now kde is fixed [11:00] lots purging and stuff [11:00] then installs of the x stuff [11:00] what is this remastersys all about and why you even doing that? [11:00] it's not even in the repos [11:01] because it works [11:01] ai! [11:01] tired of doing installs and having no 3g [11:01] it makes a live dvd of you working system man [11:02] and then? [11:05] according to his website the guy ".. decided to stop development of remastersys and it will no longer be available" [11:08] the guy called Tony [11:08] its been carried on and works well [11:08] i have kde and unity dvd's working [11:09] yep looks like Roberto is porting it and it will in future be called System Imager [11:10] on his own distro called OS4 [11:13] ah [11:13] see you always fight me first [11:13] ai! [11:13] i may be stupid but im not a fool [11:13] hehe [11:20] I still don't see why you would really want a live dvd of your system [11:20] things change all the time [11:20] so if necessary i can install 12.04 without the 3g hassles [11:21] but surely by now your system should be running stable [11:21] yes three of them [11:22] maverick 12.04 kde and unity [11:24] crashes do happen with our power probs and mistakes we make and drives packing up [11:26] so good to have a quick dvd install of you working OS [11:26] dont you think? [11:27] hmm... [11:27] s/you/your [11:27] Maaz, hmm... [11:27] hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking [11:27] a fresh install should take less than 20 minutes [11:27] unlike the 5 hours on Windows [11:28] yes then updating upgrading [11:28] then rsyncing packages [11:29] much quicker to install the working os and then it bypasses any probs you had with a clean install [11:30] ok maybe you have a point, but I haven't had even 5% of the trouble that you seem to have had [11:30] ya i know [11:30] mine was only 3g with 12.04 [11:30] modem even works with 13.04 [11:31] only 12.04 has probs with this modem and nm [11:31] so have you dealt with the privacy stuff on 13.04 yet? [11:31] my kde remastersys dvd is 3.8g big [11:32] nope dont like it too much so will stay with 12.04 till 14.04 [11:32] maybe just look at 13.10 [11:32] ok [11:35] i actually enjoy 12.04 in both flavours [11:36] but unity is faster thasn kde [11:36] than [11:45] * inetpro doesn't care about faster as much as about functionality [11:45] my kde is more than fast enough [11:46] hehe i dunno how to use that functioanilty to its best [11:46] but i like kde so stop nagging [11:47] * inetpro nagging? Never! [11:47] hehe [11:47] go catch your chicken eater [11:50] Kilos: perhaps all you actually need is a modern wifi router [11:51] ya maybe [11:52] but would prefer a faster pc then i wont look for faster flavours [11:53] anyway I see superfly also had some troubles yesterday and I would love to know more about what he actually did there [11:53] yeah i read that as it was happening. very interesting [11:54] superfly: would be nice if you could give a slight bit of more detail [11:54] used the fone as a bridge [11:55] these android phones of ours are truely amazing these days [11:55] looks like [11:56] the tethering functionality has been a life saver on many occasions [11:57] lol half or more of what they said i dint understand [11:57] didnt [11:57] my best experience was when I was able to help American friends to get online during a conference last year [11:57] but was lekker to see them work their way around the prob [11:58] you okes are too clever [11:58] cant be good for the head methinks [11:59] it really is just a press of a single button [11:59] I have it as a shortcut on my homescreen [12:00] wow [12:01] all you need is a data bundle and a good signal [12:02] is your 8ta better too? [12:02] a wifi router in your pocket [12:03] mine is going well again and they contacted me and are sending a technician to the tower to get a better signal to me [12:03] haven't noticed a difference really [12:04] i got up to 195 mB/s i think it was [12:04] but wow! Just did a speedtest and it's 4.9Mbps at the moment [12:04] 295 [12:04] thats lekker [12:04] what speetest do you use [12:04] normally is just under 1Mbps in the evening [12:05] I used yours now [12:05] normally use http://www.speedtest.net/ [12:05] mine went up from 1mb/s to 2.3 mb/s [12:05] oh ya thats what they told me to use [12:17] eish! [12:18] just tried my vodacom hotspot speed.... getting less than 0.1Mbps at the moment [12:19] eish [12:21] eek mine is down to .83 mb/s [12:22] more fone calls monday [13:15] tumbleweed: [13:32] anybody done some .deb packaging? [13:57] * inetpro just tested tethering via USB cable for the first time [13:57] just plugged in the cable, enabled USB tethering and voila... pc connected to the interwebs via interface usb0 automagically [13:57] this is magic! [13:58] thought I would have to do some configuration [13:59] and it even looks like the cable improves the signal on the phone [14:00] this will be my preferred fallback option from here onwards [14:02] whats tetherning inetpro [14:02] thethering [14:02] ai! [14:02] tethering [14:05] Kilos: Tethering refers to connecting one device to another [14:05] In the context of mobile phones or Internet tablets, tethering allows sharing the Internet connection of the phone or tablet with other devices such as laptops. [14:06] oh not just the normal connect to internet option on the older fones when you plugin the usb cable [14:06] something more advanced [14:07] inetpro: ever done .deb packaging? [14:07] zeref: not really [14:08] zeref: tumbleweed and superfly are the big guns here re packaging but what is your question [14:09] oh zeref there was a whole class on that one night on ubntu-classroom [14:09] k, I'd like to package an program from 13.04 and backport for the othere release [14:09] Ubuntu Packaging Guide http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/ [14:09] I'vei've packaged before [14:10] just need to ask about backporting [14:10] http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/backports.html [14:11] koud ne inetpro ? [14:11] yeah been there [14:11] does not really tell me what i need [14:11] :-( [14:11] zeref: what do you need? [14:11] then wait for tumbleweed zeref thats his game [14:11] hehe [14:12] speak of the devil [14:12] zeref: perhaps you should to ask at #ubuntu-packaging [14:12] backporting is just a matter of building for the older release, and using a sligtly lower version (to smoothly upgrade away from the backport) [14:13] for easy packages, backportpackage in ubuntu-dev-tools can do it all automatically [14:13] s/perhaps you should to ask at/perhaps you could ask at/ [14:14] so tumbleweed do I change that in debian/changelog? [14:15] zeref: yes [14:16] so eesentially packaging 1 application twice? [14:16] just change changelog from precise to say raring? [14:17] that's the opposite of a backport [14:17] raring is newer than precise [14:18] soz, i meant raring to the lower releases [14:18] so, yes [14:18] and put something like ~precise1 at the end of the version [14:19] cool, thanks tumbleweed [15:00] hi Mezenir hubx [15:04] hi kilos [17:01] sup [17:26] good evening [17:26] Maaz: coffee on [17:26] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [17:30] Coffee's ready for charl! [17:30] Maaz: dankeschon [17:30] charl: Excuse me? [17:30] hi charl [17:31] hi Kilos [17:31] how's it going [17:31] good ty and you [17:31] good good [17:32] just came back from a little anime convention in my region [17:32] was watching some of the newer anime series on a projector screen [17:32] ah [17:32] and good sound, but it's all stuff i've already seen [17:33] hrm [17:33] any whisky fans here? [17:33] eeek [17:34] not here, i only drink beer [17:34] that stink stuff [17:34] * Symmetria is trying this new whisky and cant decide if he loves it or hates it lol [17:34] http://www.glenmorangie.com/our-whiskies/signet [17:34] he how difficult can it be :) [17:34] that looks like fancy stuff [17:35] heh charl difficult :) when you drink a fair number of fine whiskys you get kinda particular [17:35] if one can aquire a taste for that one can aquire a taste for dog droppings too [17:35] save on food bill [17:35] oh sorry Symmetria [17:36] lol [17:37] lol!!! am watching http://youtu.be/wJETdagRMuk [17:37] the guy has a funny twitch in his left eye [17:38] wb georgelappies [17:38] thanks Kilos [17:38] yw [17:39] did you study lots? [17:42] good evening all [17:42] hi magespawn [17:43] hi magespawn [17:43] hey charl Kilos [17:44] how do we ask Maaz if a site is up? [17:45] oh my [17:45] is it down [17:45] is link down [17:45] trying that now [17:45] or up [17:45] i forget [17:46] http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/monkey1.jpg <=== so awesome (be warned, that photo is *large*) [17:47] yo Symmetria dude take some chick photos man [17:47] Maaz help [17:47] magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. [17:47] Ask me "help me with ..." for more details. [17:47] Maaz help me with looking things up [17:47] magespawn: I use the following features for looking things up: apt-file, aptitude, bash, bible, dict, distance, dns, factoid, feeds, fml, fortune, google, help, imdb, lastfm, lotto, mac, man, microblog, mlia, oeis, ports, rfc, seen, tfln, tinyurl, tld, translate, tvshow, unicode, weather and youtube [17:47] Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details. [17:48] magespawn, whats the link [17:49] http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/monkey3.jpg <=== thats another awesome (huge) photo [17:49] the website isitdown says the site i need is down [17:49] my.unisa.ac.za [17:49] you can try QA too hey [17:49] sometimes maaz gets a bit sick [17:50] Symmetria: i'll look on the morrow when back on incapped adsl [17:50] s/in/un [17:52] lol, yeah smart move, those photos are 12 or 15 meg big each [17:52] only reason I didnt scale em down before uploading em, is when you zoom in the detail and stuff is so awesome to look at [17:52] lol, you can see the reflection of things in its eyes its so clear [17:54] magespawn, the command is maaz is "link" down [17:54] if not he says no its just you [17:54] hehe [17:55] Maaz is my.unisa.ac.za down [17:56] or maybe [17:56] Maaz is my.unisa.ac.za down ? [17:57] Yes, http://my.unisa.ac.za/ is down (Server is not responding) [17:57] magespawn: http://www.isup.me/ [17:57] no ? after [17:57] or http://www.isup.me/my.unisa.ac.za in this case [17:58] hrm is unisa's internet link up by their graphs? [17:58] thanks guys [17:58] seems like it http://protea.tenet.ac.za/mrtg-new/unisa-mc-ipnet-bb.html [17:58] wow, unisa been down for 12 hours [17:59] charl that graph is ancient [17:59] look at graphs.tenet.ac.za [17:59] tenet 77 [17:59] oh sorry only saw now [17:59] tsn 77 I mean [18:00] the main campus? [18:00] looks very down [18:02] yeah its down [18:02] looks like multiple fiber breaks on the pretoria north fiber ring [18:06] how do you tell Symmetria ? [18:11] magespawn because its constructed on a ring, mpls ring [18:11] and since the provider edge router is up by the graphs [18:11] either unisa has lost power entirely (unlikely, that stuff is heavily ups backed up) [18:11] or there is a dual break on the ring [18:13] hectic [18:13] lol most people wouldnt be able to tell that stuff just from graphs, I have the advantage of the fact that I designed that network and deployed it [18:14] so its easy to tell from a glance whats likely broken [18:18] somebody stealing the fiber? [18:24] could be, or road works or something [19:18] night all . sleep tight [20:03] Kilos: thanks for trying to get in touch with me about the release party [20:10] Kilos is away [20:22] I realised that afterwards... no matter [21:27] inetpro: http://christianoss.org/blog/2013/05/04/quick-easy-workaround-broken-networking-linux [21:29] superfly: nice posting [21:30] superfly: but just to be sure, you just enabled tethering via USB? [21:30] yup [21:30] and the other uncertainty I had, did you have no GUI at all? [21:31] in other words USB tethering works perfectly even in the most basic cli mode? [21:32] superfly: ^^ [21:32] inetpro: no, I got to lightdm, KDE didn't want to start up [21:32] ahh [21:32] inetpro: networkmanager is a service, doesn't need a GUI [21:33] even if you don't have a GUI on Ubuntu/Kubuntu, you'll still have nm running [21:33] sounds like something I would need to test [21:33] does ubuntu server actually run network manager? [21:33] then normally you can use nmcli to connect, but because my dbus installation was messed up, and nm uses dbus, nothing worked [21:34] Tonberry_: I'm not sure [21:34] always good to know that you can get to the interwebs in a worst case scenario [21:34] i usually just configure everything in /etc/network/interfaces so even if network manager is there it would not do much [21:35] Tonberry_: on my desktop I'm happy to let nm do its thing [21:35] same [21:41] superfly: interesting... I've had to resort to nmcli to get my 3g modem working without gui. [21:42] voyager_za: nmcli wasn't working for me at all due to afforementioned dbus issue [21:44] ah... missed that. [21:50] night all