[06:20] <Kilos> morning all, early hey magespawn 
[06:20] <Kilos> hows your hotel fix stanfing up
[06:20] <Kilos> standing
[06:36] <Kilos> quick reboot afte upgrading
[06:36] <Kilos> wbb
[06:40] <Kilos> hmm... reboots much faster with sudo reboot than via the shutdown way
[07:05] <Kilos> hi Cantide everyone else is still sleeping
[07:06] <Kilos> or gone shopping
[07:08] <Cantide> lol
[07:08] <Cantide> i'm going shopping soon :)
[07:08] <Cantide> good morning :p
[07:08] <Kilos> hehe
[07:24] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:32] <Vince-0> morn
[07:32] <Vince-0> bbl! Ubuntu launch time - I'll get on IRC on the mobile
[08:44] <Trixar_za> Come on 8ta, show me those wifi locations. I know it's free from the site
[08:46] <Kilos> Trixar_za, hows your 8ta speed now? mine is much better
[08:46] <Kilos> helps to fone and complain
[08:46] <Trixar_za> Yeah mine too
[08:46] <Trixar_za> Since around yesterday
[08:46] <Kilos> ya
[08:49] <Trixar_za> lol
[08:49] <Trixar_za> You're kidding me
[08:49] <Trixar_za> I'm not IN the block of coverage
[08:50] <Trixar_za> But if I'm in the middle of Brackenfell, then I am
[08:52] <Kilos> eish
[08:54] <Trixar_za> 8ta keeps giving me free wifi data, but I can't use it :/
[08:54] <Trixar_za> Well, at least this is an excuse to go to Cape Gate
[08:54] <Trixar_za> Even if it's just to use Wifi :P
[08:54] <Kilos> ya that sucks
[08:55] <Kilos> ive lost a few free 2g ones
[08:58] <georgelappies> hi Kilos, how are doing on this Saterday morning? ;)
[08:59] <Kilos> hi georgelappies good ty and you?
[09:00] <georgelappies> good thanks, need to studying but yeah, difficult to get the wheel in motion as they say
[09:02] <Kilos> study all you can lad. its the rest of your life you are studying for
[09:03] <georgelappies> thanks Kilos, is true what you say, spoken like a sage ;)
[09:03] <Kilos> hehe
[09:04] <Kilos> knowledge is power
[09:45] <Kilos> remastersys makes a lekker livedvd same as booting from your drive just slower
[10:06] <Symmetria> Ullo all
[10:06]  * Symmetria got himself a new phone :)
[10:06] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[10:06] <Symmetria> heh went and bought an S4 this morning, am happy, coupla hours into it and can already see a noticeable improvement on S3 battery life
[10:06] <Symmetria> which was primary reason for buying the thing
[10:57] <inetpro> good morning, err is it afternoon already?
[10:57] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[10:58] <inetpro> Kilos: why you still keep breaking your system?
[10:58] <Kilos> not me man but its fixed without a clean install and working kiff
[10:59] <inetpro> 03/05 20:41:24 <Kilos> kde makes me gray
[10:59] <Kilos> oh because it first lost its gui when i tried to make a remastersys dvd
[10:59] <Kilos> unity just worked
[11:00] <Kilos> but now kde is fixed
[11:00] <Kilos> lots purging and stuff
[11:00] <Kilos> then installs of the x stuff
[11:00] <inetpro> what is this remastersys all about and why you even doing that?
[11:00] <inetpro> it's not even in the repos
[11:01] <Kilos> because it works
[11:01] <inetpro> ai!
[11:01] <Kilos> tired of doing installs and having no 3g
[11:01] <Kilos> it makes a live dvd of you working system man
[11:02] <inetpro> and then?
[11:05] <inetpro> according to his website the guy ".. decided to stop development of remastersys and it will no longer be available"
[11:08] <inetpro> the guy called Tony
[11:08] <Kilos> its been carried on and works well
[11:08] <Kilos> i have kde and unity dvd's working
[11:09] <inetpro> yep looks like Roberto is porting it and it will in future be called System Imager
[11:10] <inetpro> on his own distro called OS4
[11:13] <Kilos> ah
[11:13] <Kilos> see you always fight me first
[11:13] <Kilos> ai!
[11:13] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[11:13] <Kilos> hehe
[11:20] <inetpro> I still don't see why you would really want a live dvd of your system
[11:20] <inetpro> things change all the time
[11:20] <Kilos> so if necessary i can install 12.04 without the 3g hassles
[11:21] <inetpro> but surely by now your system should be running stable
[11:21] <Kilos> yes three of them
[11:22] <Kilos> maverick 12.04 kde and unity
[11:24] <Kilos> crashes do happen with our power  probs and mistakes we make and drives packing up
[11:26] <Kilos> so good to have a quick dvd install of you working OS
[11:26] <Kilos> dont you think?
[11:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[11:27] <Kilos> s/you/your
[11:27] <Kilos> Maaz, hmm...
[11:27] <Maaz> hmm... is often used to try make others believe one is actually thinking
[11:27] <inetpro> a fresh install should take less than 20 minutes
[11:27] <inetpro> unlike the 5 hours on Windows
[11:28] <Kilos> yes then updating upgrading
[11:28] <Kilos> then rsyncing packages
[11:29] <Kilos> much quicker to install the working os and then it bypasses any probs you had with a clean install
[11:30] <inetpro> ok maybe you have a point, but I haven't had even 5% of the trouble that you seem to have had
[11:30] <Kilos> ya i know
[11:30] <Kilos> mine was only 3g with 12.04
[11:30] <Kilos> modem even works with 13.04
[11:31] <Kilos> only 12.04  has probs with this modem and nm
[11:31] <inetpro> so have you dealt with the privacy stuff on 13.04 yet?
[11:31] <Kilos> my kde remastersys dvd is 3.8g big
[11:32] <Kilos> nope dont like it too much so will stay with 12.04 till 14.04
[11:32] <Kilos> maybe just look at 13.10
[11:32] <inetpro> ok
[11:35] <Kilos> i actually enjoy 12.04 in both flavours
[11:36] <Kilos> but unity is faster thasn kde
[11:36] <Kilos> than
[11:45]  * inetpro doesn't care about faster as much as about functionality
[11:45] <inetpro> my kde is more than fast enough
[11:46] <Kilos> hehe i dunno how to use that functioanilty to its best
[11:46] <Kilos> but i like kde so stop nagging
[11:47]  * inetpro nagging? Never!
[11:47] <Kilos> hehe
[11:47] <Kilos> go catch your chicken eater
[11:50] <inetpro> Kilos: perhaps all you actually need is a modern wifi router
[11:51] <Kilos> ya maybe
[11:52] <Kilos> but would prefer a faster pc then i wont look for faster flavours
[11:53] <inetpro> anyway I see superfly also had some troubles yesterday and I would love to know more about what he actually did there 
[11:53] <Kilos> yeah i read that as it was happening. very interesting
[11:54] <inetpro> superfly: would be nice if you could give a slight bit of more detail
[11:54] <Kilos> used the fone as a bridge
[11:55] <inetpro> these android phones of ours are truely amazing these days
[11:55] <Kilos> looks like
[11:56] <inetpro> the tethering functionality has been a life saver on many occasions
[11:57] <Kilos> lol half or more of what they said i dint understand
[11:57] <Kilos> didnt
[11:57] <inetpro> my best experience was when I was able to help American friends to get online during a conference last year
[11:57] <Kilos> but was lekker to see them work their way around the prob
[11:58] <Kilos> you okes are too clever
[11:58] <Kilos> cant be good for the head methinks
[11:59] <inetpro> it really is just a press of a single button
[11:59] <inetpro> I have it as a shortcut on my homescreen
[12:00] <Kilos> wow
[12:01] <inetpro> all you need is a data bundle and a good signal
[12:02] <Kilos> is your 8ta better too?
[12:02] <inetpro> a wifi router in your pocket
[12:03] <Kilos> mine is going well again and they contacted me and are sending a technician to the tower to get a better signal to me
[12:03] <inetpro> haven't noticed a difference really
[12:04] <Kilos> i got up to 195 mB/s i think it was
[12:04] <inetpro> but wow! Just did a speedtest and it's 4.9Mbps at the moment
[12:04] <Kilos> 295
[12:04] <Kilos> thats lekker
[12:04] <Kilos> what speetest do you use
[12:04] <inetpro> normally is just under 1Mbps in the evening
[12:05] <inetpro> I used yours now
[12:05] <inetpro> normally use http://www.speedtest.net/
[12:05] <Kilos> mine went up from 1mb/s to 2.3 mb/s
[12:05] <Kilos> oh ya thats what they told me to use
[12:17] <inetpro> eish!
[12:18] <inetpro> just tried my vodacom hotspot speed.... getting less than 0.1Mbps at the moment
[12:19] <Kilos> eish
[12:21] <Kilos> eek mine is down to .83 mb/s
[12:22] <Kilos> more fone calls monday
[13:15] <zeref> tumbleweed: 
[13:32] <zeref> anybody done some .deb packaging?
[13:57]  * inetpro just tested tethering via USB cable for the first time
[13:57] <inetpro> just plugged in the cable, enabled USB tethering and voila... pc connected to the interwebs via interface usb0 automagically
[13:57] <inetpro> this is magic!
[13:58] <inetpro> thought I would have to do some configuration
[13:59] <inetpro> and it even looks like the cable improves the signal on the phone
[14:00] <inetpro> this will be my preferred fallback option from here onwards
[14:02] <Kilos> whats tetherning inetpro 
[14:02] <Kilos> thethering
[14:02] <Kilos> ai!
[14:02] <Kilos> tethering
[14:05] <inetpro> Kilos: Tethering refers to connecting one device to another
[14:05] <inetpro> In the context of mobile phones or Internet tablets, tethering allows sharing the Internet connection of the phone or tablet with other devices such as laptops.
[14:06] <Kilos> oh not just the normal connect to internet option on the older fones when you plugin the usb cable
[14:06] <Kilos> something more advanced
[14:07] <zeref> inetpro: ever done .deb packaging?
[14:07] <inetpro> zeref: not really
[14:08] <inetpro> zeref: tumbleweed and superfly are the big guns here re packaging but what is your question
[14:09] <Kilos> oh zeref there was a whole class on that one night on ubntu-classroom
[14:09] <zeref> k, I'd like to package an program from 13.04 and backport for the othere release
[14:09] <inetpro> Ubuntu Packaging Guide http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/
[14:09] <zeref> I'vei've packaged before
[14:10] <zeref> just need to ask about backporting
[14:10] <inetpro> http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/backports.html
[14:11] <Kilos> koud ne inetpro ?
[14:11] <zeref> yeah been there
[14:11] <zeref> does not really tell me what i need
[14:11] <zeref> :-(
[14:11] <tumbleweed> zeref: what do you need?
[14:11] <Kilos> then wait for tumbleweed zeref thats his game
[14:11] <Kilos> hehe
[14:12] <Kilos> speak of the devil
[14:12] <inetpro> zeref: perhaps you should to ask at #ubuntu-packaging
[14:12] <tumbleweed> backporting is just a matter of building for the older release, and using a sligtly lower version (to smoothly upgrade away from the backport)
[14:13] <tumbleweed> for easy packages, backportpackage in ubuntu-dev-tools can do it all automatically
[14:13] <inetpro> s/perhaps you should to ask at/perhaps you could ask at/
[14:14] <zeref> so tumbleweed do I change that in debian/changelog?
[14:15] <tumbleweed> zeref: yes
[14:16] <zeref> so eesentially packaging 1 application twice?
[14:16] <zeref> just change changelog from precise to say raring?
[14:17] <tumbleweed> that's the opposite of a backport
[14:17] <tumbleweed> raring is newer than precise
[14:18] <zeref> soz, i meant raring to the lower releases
[14:18] <tumbleweed> so, yes
[14:18] <tumbleweed> and put something like ~precise1 at the end of the version
[14:19] <zeref> cool, thanks tumbleweed 
[15:00] <Kilos> hi Mezenir hubx 
[15:04] <Mezenir> hi kilos
[17:01] <Symmetria> sup
[17:26] <charl> good evening
[17:26] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[17:26]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[17:30] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[17:30] <charl> Maaz: dankeschon
[17:30] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[17:30] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:31] <charl> hi Kilos 
[17:31] <charl> how's it going
[17:31] <Kilos> good ty and you
[17:31] <charl> good good
[17:32] <charl> just came back from a little anime convention in my region
[17:32] <charl> was watching some of the newer anime series on a projector screen
[17:32] <Kilos> ah
[17:32] <charl> and good sound, but it's all stuff i've already seen
[17:33] <Symmetria> hrm
[17:33] <Symmetria> any whisky fans here?
[17:33] <Kilos> eeek
[17:34] <charl> not here, i only drink beer
[17:34] <Kilos> that stink stuff
[17:34]  * Symmetria is trying this new whisky and cant decide if he loves it or hates it lol
[17:34] <Symmetria> http://www.glenmorangie.com/our-whiskies/signet
[17:34] <charl> he how difficult can it be :)
[17:34] <charl> that looks like fancy stuff
[17:35] <Symmetria> heh charl difficult :) when you drink a fair number of fine whiskys you get kinda particular 
[17:35] <Kilos> if one can aquire a taste for that one can aquire a taste for dog droppings too
[17:35] <Kilos> save on food bill
[17:35] <Kilos> oh sorry Symmetria 
[17:36] <Symmetria> lol
[17:37] <charl> lol!!! am watching http://youtu.be/wJETdagRMuk
[17:37] <charl> the guy has a funny twitch in his left eye
[17:38] <Kilos> wb georgelappies 
[17:38] <georgelappies> thanks Kilos
[17:38] <Kilos> yw
[17:39] <Kilos> did you study lots?
[17:42] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:42] <charl> hi magespawn 
[17:43] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:43] <magespawn> hey charl Kilos 
[17:44] <magespawn> how do we ask Maaz if a site is up?
[17:45] <Kilos> oh my
[17:45] <Kilos> is it down
[17:45] <Kilos> is link down
[17:45] <magespawn> trying that now
[17:45] <Kilos> or up
[17:45] <Kilos> i forget
[17:46] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/monkey1.jpg <[17:47] <trender> yo Symmetria dude take some chick photos man
[17:47] <magespawn> Maaz help
[17:47] <Maaz> magespawn: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:47] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:47] <magespawn> Maaz help me with looking things up
[17:47] <Maaz> magespawn: I use the following features for looking things up: apt-file, aptitude, bash, bible, dict, distance, dns, factoid, feeds, fml, fortune, google, help, imdb, lastfm, lotto, mac, man, microblog, mlia, oeis, ports, rfc, seen, tfln, tinyurl, tld, translate, tvshow, unicode, weather and youtube
[17:47] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:48] <Kilos> magespawn, whats the link
[17:49] <Symmetria> http://valhalla.clue.be/~vort/wildlife/monkey3.jpg <[17:49] <magespawn> the website isitdown says the site i need is down
[17:49] <magespawn> my.unisa.ac.za
[17:49] <Kilos> you can try QA too hey
[17:49] <Kilos> sometimes maaz gets a bit sick
[17:50] <magespawn> Symmetria: i'll look on the morrow when back on incapped adsl
[17:50] <magespawn> s/in/un
[17:52] <Symmetria> lol, yeah smart move, those photos are 12 or 15 meg big each
[17:52] <Symmetria> only reason I didnt scale em down before uploading em, is when you zoom in the detail and stuff is so awesome to look at
[17:52] <Symmetria> lol, you can see the reflection of things in its eyes its so clear
[17:54] <Kilos> magespawn, the command is maaz is "link" down
[17:54] <Kilos> if not he says no its just you
[17:54] <Kilos> hehe
[17:55] <magespawn> Maaz is my.unisa.ac.za down
[17:56] <magespawn> or maybe
[17:56] <magespawn> Maaz is my.unisa.ac.za down ?
 Yes, http://my.unisa.ac.za/ is down (Server is not responding)
[17:57] <charl> magespawn: http://www.isup.me/
[17:57] <Kilos> no ? after
[17:57] <charl> or http://www.isup.me/my.unisa.ac.za in this case
[17:58] <Symmetria> hrm is unisa's internet link up by their graphs?
[17:58] <magespawn> thanks guys
[17:58] <charl> seems like it http://protea.tenet.ac.za/mrtg-new/unisa-mc-ipnet-bb.html
[17:58] <Symmetria> wow, unisa been down for 12 hours 
[17:59] <Symmetria> charl that graph is ancient
[17:59] <Symmetria> look at graphs.tenet.ac.za
[17:59] <Symmetria> tenet 77
[17:59] <charl> oh sorry only saw now
[17:59] <Symmetria> tsn 77 I mean
[18:00] <charl> the main campus?
[18:00] <charl> looks very down
[18:02] <Symmetria> yeah its down
[18:02] <Symmetria> looks like multiple fiber breaks on the pretoria north fiber ring
[18:06] <magespawn> how do you tell Symmetria ?
[18:11] <Symmetria> magespawn because its constructed on a ring, mpls ring
[18:11] <Symmetria> and since the provider edge router is up by the graphs
[18:11] <Symmetria> either unisa has lost power entirely (unlikely, that stuff is heavily ups backed up)
[18:11] <Symmetria> or there is a dual break on the ring
[18:13] <magespawn> hectic
[18:13] <Symmetria> lol most people wouldnt be able to tell that stuff just from graphs, I have the advantage of the fact that I designed that network and deployed it
[18:14] <Symmetria> so its easy to tell from a glance whats likely broken
[18:18] <magespawn> somebody stealing the fiber?
[18:24] <Symmetria> could be, or road works or something
[19:18] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[20:03] <voyager_za> Kilos: thanks for trying to get in touch with me about the release party
[20:10] <Vince-0> Kilos is away
[20:22] <voyager_za> I realised that afterwards... no matter
[21:27] <superfly> inetpro: http://christianoss.org/blog/2013/05/04/quick-easy-workaround-broken-networking-linux
[21:29] <inetpro> superfly: nice posting
[21:30] <inetpro> superfly: but just to be sure, you just enabled tethering via USB?
[21:30] <superfly> yup
[21:30] <inetpro> and the other uncertainty I had, did you have no GUI at all?
[21:31] <inetpro> in other words USB tethering works perfectly even in the most basic cli mode?
[21:32] <inetpro> superfly: ^^
[21:32] <superfly> inetpro: no, I got to lightdm, KDE didn't want to start up
[21:32] <inetpro> ahh
[21:32] <superfly> inetpro: networkmanager is a service, doesn't need a GUI
[21:33] <superfly> even if you don't have a GUI on Ubuntu/Kubuntu, you'll still have nm running
[21:33] <inetpro> sounds like something I would need to test
[21:33] <Tonberry_> does ubuntu server actually run network manager?
[21:33] <superfly> then normally you can use nmcli to connect, but because my dbus installation was messed up, and nm uses dbus, nothing worked
[21:34] <superfly> Tonberry_: I'm not sure
[21:34] <inetpro> always good to know that you can get to the interwebs in a worst case scenario
[21:34] <Tonberry_> i usually just configure everything in /etc/network/interfaces so even if network manager is there it would not do much
[21:35] <superfly> Tonberry_: on my desktop I'm happy to let nm do its thing
[21:35] <Tonberry_> same
[21:41] <voyager_za> superfly: interesting... I've had to resort to nmcli to get my 3g modem working without gui.
[21:42] <superfly> voyager_za: nmcli wasn't working for me at all due to afforementioned dbus issue
[21:44] <voyager_za> ah... missed that.
[21:50] <superfly> night all