| smartboyhw | !contribute | 05:37 |
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| ubottu | If you want to contribute to Ubuntu Studio, please visit #ubuntustudio-devel or join the mailing list from https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-devel | 05:37 |
| smartboyhw | Eh that is changed | 05:37 |
| cadux | good morning all!!! | 12:11 |
| cadux | brazilian?.. | 12:11 |
| cadux | hello... | 12:16 |
| === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw | ||
| hb | oyun | 13:42 |
| hb | oyun | 13:42 |
| smartboyhw | ? | 13:43 |
| * cfhowlett ... suppressing the urge to go all Samuel L. Jackson "ENGLISH!" mode ... | 13:45 | |
| smartboyhw | lol | 13:46 |
| === _MOSMarauder is now known as MOSMarauder | ||
| === Guest55636 is now known as TMSteve | ||
| us | anybody used conky? | 15:22 |
| us | conky on ubuntu studio | 15:23 |
| kapitan | hello guys, can somebody point me to the ubuntu studio repos for apt-get/synaptic? | 15:38 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, um the Ubuntu Studio repos are the Ubuntu ones | 15:38 |
| kapitan | oh | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, yep. All the Ubuntu Studio packages are in the Ubuntu archive | 15:39 |
| kapitan | i tried to add raring but there are no upgrades for the main packages... | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, heh. Do sudo do-release-upgrade | 15:39 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, read http://askubuntu.com/questions/279620/how-do-i-upgrade-from-12-10-to-13-04 | 15:40 |
| kapitan | ok, i'll try then | 15:40 |
| kapitan | ok thanks | 15:40 |
| kapitan | is it possible that ubuntu-video and ubuntu-graphics packages are still version 0.100 ? | 15:42 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, ? | 15:45 |
| kapitan | i see that the ubuntu-studio* packages have all the same version as before... | 15:45 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, what? Raring is 0.113 now | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | 0.100 only applies to Precise | 15:46 |
| kapitan | ok, i am not pointing to the correct repo then | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, you don't have to fiddle with repos | 15:46 |
| smartboyhw | The link I gave you, it helps | 15:47 |
| kapitan | yes i have...i don't a normal install, a lot of packages come from ppa | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, :O | 15:47 |
| kapitan | lol | 15:47 |
| smartboyhw | Too many PPAs are not recommended | 15:47 |
| kapitan | i know, but without ppa my linux box wouldn't work | 15:48 |
| kapitan | ;) | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, ? | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | Why? | 15:48 |
| kapitan | for example bumblebee for graphic card | 15:48 |
| kapitan | is not in main | 15:48 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, you can enable universe | 15:53 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, indeed, Ubuntu Studio exists on Universe | 15:54 |
| kapitan | is this correct then? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe | 15:54 |
| kapitan | deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main universe | 15:54 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, maybe try to see if you can find bumblebee in restricted and multiverse | 15:54 |
| kapitan | yes, universe ha ubuntu-studio.* @ 0.113 | 15:57 |
| kapitan | good! | 15:57 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, yep | 15:57 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, reminder: All Ubuntu Studio metapackages reside on universe. | 15:58 |
| kapitan | i didn't know that | 15:58 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, yep. | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, only keeping main while using Ubuntu Studio is the world's second worst idea | 15:59 |
| smartboyhw | The first is not enabling repos at all | 16:00 |
| kapitan | i know, but as i told you my system is very customized, i should clean it up with best practices | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, as I said: Try to seee if bumblebee exists in restricted and multiverse | 16:00 |
| smartboyhw | Or just ask somebody to package it | 16:01 |
| kapitan | started ! :D | 16:02 |
| kapitan | figers crossed | 16:02 |
| kapitan | *finger | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, um it turns out no:P | 16:02 |
| smartboyhw | kapitan, go ask in #bumblebee and get it officially packaged please | 16:02 |
| kapitan | i am asking | 16:04 |
| kapitan | the answer was that "there are no such plans" | 16:10 |
| holstein | kapitan: you shouldnt need bumblebee AFAIK | 16:11 |
| holstein | in the future | 16:11 |
| holstein | kapitan: driver support like that is not necessarily ubuntustudio specific... i would ask in #ubuntu | 16:12 |
| kapitan | oh well if the NVIDIA Optimus will be properly supported of course | 16:12 |
| === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster | ||
| anb_ | Have installed Ubuntu Studio on new machine, but it won't shutdown - every time I try it goes through the process then reboots immediately. Have tried shutdown -h from the terminal with same result. Any suggestions? tia | 19:50 |
| zequence | anb_: Sounds strange. Might be a kernel bug having to do with your HW | 19:51 |
| zequence | anb_: Please report it. While logged in, do: ubuntu-bug linux-lowlatency | 19:52 |
| zequence | anb_: You'll need to have a launchpad account, so create one first | 19:52 |
| zequence | https://launchpad.net/ | 19:53 |
| anb_ | zequence: thanks, I have a launchpad account, but details on my other machine, and need to switch this one off first! (using same screen and keyboard) | 19:54 |
| len-1304 | Could be bios settings too | 19:55 |
| gordonjcp | I'm considering ubuntu-studio, but it's a huge download full of stuff I don't need | 19:57 |
| gordonjcp | all I really need out of it is the low latency kernel | 19:57 |
| len-1304 | It is ok to install xubuntu and add just the US metas you need | 19:57 |
| len-1304 | Add it then. | 19:57 |
| gordonjcp | is that much the same as the "stock" Ubuntu linux-lowlatency kernel? | 19:57 |
| len-1304 | The package is linux-lowlatency | 19:58 |
| gordonjcp | more specifically, the problem I'm running into is that my MIDI timing is crappy | 19:58 |
| len-1304 | That is ours. Not quite stock | 19:58 |
| gordonjcp | even with the -ll kernel it's all over the place | 19:58 |
| len-1304 | Are you using ALSA midi or JACK midi? | 19:58 |
| gordonjcp | ALSA | 19:58 |
| gordonjcp | I'm using seq24 | 19:58 |
| gordonjcp | I've never been able to figure out how to use jack midi | 19:59 |
| len-1304 | According to some of the devs ALSA does have some timing problems. Jack MIDI even using the a2j bridge is supposed to be better | 20:00 |
| gordonjcp | okay, but that doesn't appear to talk to MIDI devices | 20:00 |
| len-1304 | a2jmidid -e will bring the devices across too | 20:00 |
| len-1304 | I don't know why the a2j dev didn't make that default. | 20:01 |
| gordonjcp | I get the impression that jack MIDI is for softsynths only | 20:01 |
| len-1304 | There are some MIDI interfaces that work with Jack only. | 20:02 |
| len-1304 | Anything firewire for example | 20:02 |
| gordonjcp | yah, these are just plain ordinary USB ones | 20:02 |
| gordonjcp | several types, several chipsets, one is actually part of a hardware synth | 20:03 |
| len-1304 | I have heard that they are worse for timing with just the alsa drivers. I haven't personally been able to cause problems here | 20:03 |
| len-1304 | But I don't play keys much and most of my recording is audio in. | 20:04 |
| len-1304 | I did try to make problems in testing.... so in my case I can only tell you what I have heard. | 20:04 |
| len-1304 | The authors of both Ardour and Jack say a2j is the best thing timing wise right now. | 20:05 |
| gordonjcp | hrmm | 20:05 |
| gordonjcp | jack wants to take over my soundcard | 20:05 |
| len-1304 | Yup | 20:05 |
| gordonjcp | well, it can't | 20:05 |
| len-1304 | Most people want that :) | 20:05 |
| gordonjcp | I'm using it | 20:05 |
| len-1304 | Do you have more than one audio card? | 20:06 |
| gordonjcp | yes, I guess I can point jack at the onboard card | 20:06 |
| len-1304 | Worth a try. | 20:06 |
| gordonjcp | okay, what should I set for the MIDI Driver in qjackctl? | 20:07 |
| len-1304 | none. | 20:07 |
| gordonjcp | none? | 20:07 |
| len-1304 | Just run a2jmidid -e after jack is running | 20:08 |
| len-1304 | Ya none. | 20:08 |
| len-1304 | A2J will do the work instead | 20:08 |
| gordonjcp | okay | 20:08 |
| gordonjcp | doesn't show up in seq24 | 20:08 |
| len-1304 | Again this is the recomendation of the Jack devs | 20:09 |
| gordonjcp | I can't tell if that's going through jack or not | 20:09 |
| gordonjcp | it sounds just as bad as before | 20:10 |
| len-1304 | Then in qjackctl click on the MIDI tab and you should see a2j | 20:10 |
| gordonjcp | yup | 20:10 |
| len-1304 | make all your connections there | 20:10 |
| gordonjcp | there's nothing to connect | 20:10 |
| gordonjcp | just the audio cable | 20:10 |
| len-1304 | click on the little arrow beside a2j to see the connections | 20:11 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, there is just MIDI Through and USB Midi Cable, on both | 20:11 |
| len-1304 | are you running any midi apps? | 20:12 |
| gordonjcp | yes, seq24 | 20:12 |
| gordonjcp | I can set the channel port to MIDI Through in seq24 and patch it to the cable in jack, but that's even worse than without jack | 20:12 |
| len-1304 | Hmm, I don't have seq24. | 20:13 |
| gordonjcp | that's okay | 20:13 |
| len-1304 | hang on you probably have to set seq24 to provide jack ports | 20:13 |
| gordonjcp | ah, it doesn't look like it supports it | 20:14 |
| len-1304 | Im just installing it now. | 20:14 |
| zequence | gordonjcp: There's a section here about hardware timers, but from what I remember, only some applications, or very few would benefit from this (qtractor has some settings for midi timer) http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration&DokuWiki#hardware_timers | 20:15 |
| gordonjcp | zequence: read that, did that, made no difference | 20:15 |
| gordonjcp | timing is all over the place | 20:15 |
| zequence | Yeah, alsa midi kind of sucks | 20:15 |
| gordonjcp | are there any non-sucky sequencers in Linux yet? | 20:16 |
| zequence | Anything jack midi is ok | 20:16 |
| gordonjcp | this Atari isn't going to last for ever | 20:16 |
| zequence | At least for me.. | 20:16 |
| gordonjcp | I tried muse, couldn't get any sound out | 20:16 |
| gordonjcp | I tried rosegarden, it crashed all the time | 20:16 |
| gordonjcp | also, they're not pattern-based, which is what I prefer working with | 20:17 |
| gordonjcp | I know Cubase isn't either but at least you can seamlessly loop measures | 20:17 |
| zequence | I actually use puredata for sequencing, but only internally. It's rock solid. If I use alsa midi to control a pd instrument I've made, it's not usable, not even close | 20:17 |
| len-1304 | Have you tried qtracktor | 20:17 |
| gordonjcp | no, let's give that a bash | 20:18 |
| zequence | I find muse fast to work with, but I'm used to that sort of interface | 20:18 |
| gordonjcp | they all seem to be Qt apps | 20:18 |
| len-1304 | seq24 doesn't show up even in the alsa window. | 20:18 |
| len-1304 | QT is very common. | 20:18 |
| zequence | There are other problems with alsa midi than just jitter | 20:18 |
| zequence | When I was doing a lot of tempo and time changes, no alsa based seq would play all the notes. Stuff would be dropped/skipped | 20:19 |
| zequence | ..which is why I blame alsa. Could be they all share the same midi code too (which could either be alsa, or not - I really have no idea) | 20:20 |
| zequence | So, I would never use ALSA midi for anything really | 20:20 |
| gordonjcp | yeah, I don't either now | 20:21 |
| zequence | Except controlling stuff that doesn't need to be realtime | 20:21 |
| gordonjcp | I've never found PCs to be particularly capable of running music stuff | 20:21 |
| len-1304 | I think seq24 is actually OSS. That is the only reason I can think that it's ports would not show up in ALSA. So you have seq24->OSS->ALSA | 20:21 |
| gordonjcp | qtractor is just *weird* | 20:21 |
| len-1304 | :) | 20:22 |
| gordonjcp | looks interesting but after a few minutes of poking at it I still haven't figured out how to add notes to a track | 20:22 |
| len-1304 | Ya, I remember something about that.... it has been a while. I had to be on the right screen in the right mode | 20:23 |
| gordonjcp | right, sod that, that's no good | 20:23 |
| gordonjcp | well, thanks anyway, back to hardware sequencers and Cubase it is then | 20:25 |
| zequence | gordonjcp: Did you try ardour3? | 20:25 |
| zequence | It's probably not the best there is, midi wise, but it's jack midi | 20:26 |
| gordonjcp | zequence: yeah, it's horrible | 20:26 |
| gordonjcp | the audio stuff is okay | 20:26 |
| gordonjcp | but I don't care about audio, I only want MIDI sequencing | 20:26 |
| ole_ | pls i need help with the jack server...after updating to the newest version of ustudio the jack server often never starts correctly...at the update process there was a dialog ask me if i want to delete old packages...could this be the reason of my problem ? | 21:05 |
| zequence | ole_: When you do updates, and it asks you if it's ok to delete packages, it is because those packages are not needed anymore. Not related to jack. J | 21:19 |
| zequence | ole_: It won't happen that something will be removed that you actually need | 21:19 |
| zequence | ole_: What kind of problem are you having? | 21:20 |
| zequence | ole_: If you like, paste the jack log to http://paste.ubuntu.com | 21:20 |
| zequence | and then post the link here | 21:20 |
| ole_ | i have already started jack one time...and now this will show you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633579/ | 21:24 |
| zequence | ole_: Which release of Ubuntu Studio is this? | 21:40 |
| zequence | 13.04? | 21:40 |
| zequence | ole_: Looks like you might have a problem with pulseaudio not letting go of the card. But, this should not happen on 13.04 or later (since pulseaudio 3.0) | 21:41 |
| ole_ | i have the 13.04 | 21:42 |
| zequence | ole_: Try this: ps -eo comm | grep jack | 21:42 |
| zequence | ole_: I'm interested to see if there is more than one jack running | 21:43 |
| ole_ | double entry | 21:44 |
| zequence | ole_: jackd and jackdbus? | 21:44 |
| ole_ | jackdbus | 21:45 |
| ole_ | jackdbus | 21:45 |
| zequence | ole_: wow, that's not good | 21:45 |
| zequence | ole_: kill them. Use this command until you see no process found: killall -9 jackdbus | 21:46 |
| ole_ | ok! what now? | 21:47 |
| zequence | ole_: How do you start jack usually? | 21:48 |
| ole_ | manually | 21:48 |
| zequence | ole_: Yes, but do you use qjackctl, or do you use the commandline..? | 21:49 |
| ole_ | qjackctl most of the time | 21:49 |
| zequence | ole_: Ok, so now that jack is killed, reopen qjackctl, make sure the correct audio device is selected, and try starting jack | 21:50 |
| ole_ | it fails.. | 21:53 |
| zequence | ole_: What do you see now, when you do: ps -eo comm | grep jack | 22:01 |
| zequence | ole_: If you only tried once, that is | 22:01 |
| ole_ | ok after this upgrade to 13.04 there are listed hw:1 - firefly808u and hw:1,0 usb audio??? at the latest version of ustudio there is just the firefly 808u...no hw: 1,0 usb device | 22:02 |
| ole_ | ok the command says qjackctl | 22:02 |
| ole_ | qjackctl.real | 22:02 |
| ole_ | jackdbus | 22:02 |
| zequence | ole_: Are you able to start jack with another audio device? | 22:05 |
| zequence | hdmi might not work, but something like your internal audio device | 22:06 |
| ole_ | yes it works | 22:06 |
| zequence | ole_: Ok, so is pulseaudio using your usb audio device? Are you using it for desktop audio? | 22:07 |
| ole_ | all my audio should go to the external firefly 808u device connect to my amp | 22:09 |
| ole_ | :o) | 22:10 |
| zequence | ole_: Yes, but is pulseaudio using your usb audio device right now? | 22:12 |
| ole_ | oh gosh im that noobish as possible...when pulseaudio is alsa then it is like | 22:14 |
| ole_ | sry bout my speech | 22:14 |
| zequence | ole_: pulseaudio is the desktop audio system | 22:15 |
| zequence | !proaudio | 22:15 |
| ubottu | For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro | 22:15 |
| ole_ | :) thx | 22:15 |
| zequence | ole_: The volume control in the top bar, it controls pulseaudio. The mixer you open when clicking "Sound Settings" is pavucontrol, which is a pulseaudio mixer | 22:16 |
| zequence | ole_: So, did you set pulseaudio to use your usb audio device? | 22:16 |
| zequence | ole_: pacmd stat | grep "Default channel map:" | 22:18 |
| zequence | not sure if that shows anything readable | 22:19 |
| zequence | Anyway, you probably know | 22:19 |
| ole_ | the mixer settings for output devices listed 2 devices the speakers as seen in the command frontleft/frontright and the pulseaudio jack sink | 22:23 |
| zequence | ole_: Which audio device are you using for desktop audio? The usb device, or the onboard device? | 22:24 |
| ole_ | onboard | 22:25 |
| zequence | ole_: someone on ubuntuforums just reported a problem with another usb device | 22:29 |
| zequence | ole_: Can you see the usb device in pulseaudio mixer (pavucontrol)? | 22:30 |
| zequence | There could be a alsa usb regression, but I'm not at all sure this is your problem right now | 22:30 |
| zequence | ole_: Could you do this, and paste in http://ubuntu.com : aplay -l | 22:31 |
| zequence | sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com | 22:31 |
| ole_ | the device name is not in the mixer | 22:32 |
| zequence | ole_: Check out this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2142142 | 22:33 |
| zequence | ole_: You could try doing the same, using alsamixer from the command line: alsamixer | 22:34 |
| zequence | To choose card, use F6 | 22:34 |
| ole_ | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633755/ | 22:34 |
| zequence | ole_: If you get the same problem with alsamixer, please report a bug. Get a launchpad account, and do: report-bug alsa-base | 22:35 |
| zequence | ..the same problem as the guy in the forum | 22:36 |
| zequence | http://launchpad.net | 22:37 |
| zequence | ole_: it may happen that the bug is already reported | 22:38 |
| zequence | ole_: look for that, if you report the bug | 22:38 |
| ole_ | thank you! sometimes it works sometime not...Too many cooks spoil the broth... and so the audio system works ...sometimes :o) so all my collected points goto the zequencer help!!! | 22:40 |
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