[05:37] <smartboyhw> !contribute
[05:37] <smartboyhw> Eh that is changed
[12:11] <cadux> good morning all!!!
[12:11] <cadux> brazilian?..
[12:16] <cadux> hello...
[13:42] <hb> oyun
[13:42] <hb> oyun
[13:43] <smartboyhw> ?
[13:45]  * cfhowlett ... suppressing the urge to go all Samuel L. Jackson "ENGLISH!" mode ...
[13:46] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:22] <us> anybody used conky?
[15:23] <us> conky on ubuntu studio
[15:38] <kapitan> hello guys, can somebody point me to the ubuntu studio repos for apt-get/synaptic?
[15:38] <smartboyhw> kapitan, um the Ubuntu Studio repos are the Ubuntu ones
[15:39] <kapitan> oh
[15:39] <smartboyhw> kapitan, yep. All the Ubuntu Studio packages are in the Ubuntu archive
[15:39] <kapitan> i tried to add raring but there are no upgrades for the main packages...
[15:39] <smartboyhw> kapitan, heh. Do sudo do-release-upgrade
[15:40] <smartboyhw> kapitan, read http://askubuntu.com/questions/279620/how-do-i-upgrade-from-12-10-to-13-04
[15:40] <kapitan> ok, i'll try then
[15:40] <kapitan> ok thanks
[15:42] <kapitan> is it possible that ubuntu-video and ubuntu-graphics packages are still version 0.100 ?
[15:45] <smartboyhw> kapitan, ?
[15:45] <kapitan> i see that the ubuntu-studio* packages have all the same version as before...
[15:46] <smartboyhw> kapitan, what? Raring is 0.113 now
[15:46] <smartboyhw> 0.100 only applies to Precise
[15:46] <kapitan> ok, i am not pointing to the correct repo then
[15:46] <smartboyhw> kapitan, you don't have to fiddle with repos
[15:47] <smartboyhw> The link I gave you, it helps
[15:47] <kapitan> yes i have...i don't a normal install, a lot of packages come from ppa
[15:47] <smartboyhw> kapitan, :O
[15:47] <kapitan> lol
[15:47] <smartboyhw> Too many PPAs are not recommended
[15:48] <kapitan> i know, but without ppa my linux box wouldn't work
[15:48] <kapitan> ;)
[15:48] <smartboyhw> kapitan, ?
[15:48] <smartboyhw> Why?
[15:48] <kapitan> for example bumblebee for graphic card
[15:48] <kapitan> is not in main
[15:53] <smartboyhw> kapitan, you can enable universe
[15:54] <smartboyhw> kapitan, indeed, Ubuntu Studio exists on Universe
[15:54] <kapitan> is this correct then? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe
[15:54] <kapitan> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main universe
[15:54] <smartboyhw> kapitan, maybe try to see if you can find bumblebee in restricted and multiverse
[15:57] <kapitan> yes, universe ha ubuntu-studio.* @ 0.113
[15:57] <kapitan> good!
[15:57] <smartboyhw> kapitan, yep
[15:58] <smartboyhw> kapitan, reminder: All Ubuntu Studio metapackages reside on universe.
[15:58] <kapitan> i didn't know that
[15:59] <smartboyhw> kapitan, yep.
[15:59] <smartboyhw> kapitan, only keeping main while using Ubuntu Studio is the world's second worst idea
[16:00] <smartboyhw> The first is not enabling repos at all
[16:00] <kapitan> i know, but as i told you my system is very customized, i should clean it up with best practices
[16:00] <smartboyhw> kapitan, as I said: Try to seee if bumblebee exists in restricted and multiverse
[16:01] <smartboyhw> Or just ask somebody to package it
[16:02] <kapitan> started ! :D
[16:02] <kapitan> figers crossed
[16:02] <kapitan> *finger
[16:02] <smartboyhw> kapitan, um it turns out no:P
[16:02] <smartboyhw> kapitan, go ask in #bumblebee and get it officially packaged please
[16:04] <kapitan> i am asking
[16:10] <kapitan> the answer was that "there are no such plans"
[16:11] <holstein> kapitan: you shouldnt need bumblebee AFAIK
[16:11] <holstein> in the future
[16:12] <holstein> kapitan: driver support like that is not necessarily ubuntustudio specific... i would ask in #ubuntu
[16:12] <kapitan> oh well if the NVIDIA Optimus will be properly supported of course
[19:50] <anb_> Have installed Ubuntu Studio on new machine, but it won't shutdown - every time I try it goes through the process then reboots immediately. Have tried shutdown -h from the terminal with same result. Any suggestions? tia
[19:51] <zequence> anb_: Sounds strange. Might be a kernel bug having to do with your HW
[19:52] <zequence> anb_: Please report it. While logged in, do: ubuntu-bug linux-lowlatency
[19:52] <zequence> anb_: You'll need to have a launchpad account, so create one first
[19:53] <zequence> https://launchpad.net/
[19:54] <anb_> zequence: thanks, I have a launchpad account, but details on my other machine, and need to switch this one off first! (using same screen and keyboard)
[19:55] <len-1304> Could be bios settings too
[19:57] <gordonjcp> I'm considering ubuntu-studio, but it's a huge download full of stuff I don't need
[19:57] <gordonjcp> all I really need out of it is the low latency kernel
[19:57] <len-1304> It is ok to install xubuntu and add just the US metas you need
[19:57] <len-1304> Add it then.
[19:57] <gordonjcp> is that much the same as the "stock" Ubuntu linux-lowlatency kernel?
[19:58] <len-1304> The package is linux-lowlatency
[19:58] <gordonjcp> more specifically, the problem I'm running into is that my MIDI timing is crappy
[19:58] <len-1304> That is ours. Not quite stock
[19:58] <gordonjcp> even with the -ll kernel it's all over the place
[19:58] <len-1304> Are you using ALSA midi or JACK midi?
[19:58] <gordonjcp> ALSA
[19:58] <gordonjcp> I'm using seq24
[19:59] <gordonjcp> I've never been able to figure out how to use jack midi
[20:00] <len-1304> According to some of the devs ALSA does have some timing problems. Jack MIDI even using the a2j bridge is supposed to be better
[20:00] <gordonjcp> okay, but that doesn't appear to talk to MIDI devices
[20:00] <len-1304> a2jmidid -e will bring the devices across too
[20:01] <len-1304> I don't know why the a2j dev didn't make that default.
[20:01] <gordonjcp> I get the impression that jack MIDI is for softsynths only
[20:02] <len-1304> There are some MIDI interfaces that work with Jack only.
[20:02] <len-1304> Anything firewire for example
[20:02] <gordonjcp> yah, these are just plain ordinary USB ones
[20:03] <gordonjcp> several types, several chipsets, one is actually part of a hardware synth
[20:03] <len-1304> I have heard that they are worse for timing with just the alsa drivers. I haven't personally been able to cause problems here
[20:04] <len-1304> But I don't play keys much and most of my recording is audio in.
[20:04] <len-1304> I did try to make problems in testing.... so in my case I can only tell you what I have heard.
[20:05] <len-1304> The authors of both Ardour and Jack say a2j is the best thing timing wise right now.
[20:05] <gordonjcp> hrmm
[20:05] <gordonjcp> jack wants to take over my soundcard
[20:05] <len-1304> Yup
[20:05] <gordonjcp> well, it can't
[20:05] <len-1304>  Most people want that :)
[20:05] <gordonjcp> I'm using it
[20:06] <len-1304> Do you have more than one audio card?
[20:06] <gordonjcp> yes, I guess I can point jack at the onboard card
[20:06] <len-1304> Worth a try.
[20:07] <gordonjcp> okay, what should I set for the MIDI Driver in qjackctl?
[20:07] <len-1304> none.
[20:07] <gordonjcp> none?
[20:08] <len-1304> Just run a2jmidid -e after jack is running
[20:08] <len-1304> Ya none.
[20:08] <len-1304> A2J will do the work instead
[20:08] <gordonjcp> okay
[20:08] <gordonjcp> doesn't show up in seq24
[20:09] <len-1304> Again this is the recomendation of the Jack devs
[20:09] <gordonjcp> I can't tell if that's going through jack or not
[20:10] <gordonjcp> it sounds just as bad as before
[20:10] <len-1304> Then in qjackctl click on the MIDI tab and you should see a2j
[20:10] <gordonjcp> yup
[20:10] <len-1304> make all your connections there
[20:10] <gordonjcp> there's nothing to connect
[20:10] <gordonjcp> just the audio cable
[20:11] <len-1304> click on the little arrow beside a2j to see the connections
[20:11] <gordonjcp> yeah, there is just MIDI Through and USB Midi Cable, on both
[20:12] <len-1304> are you running any midi apps?
[20:12] <gordonjcp> yes, seq24
[20:12] <gordonjcp> I can set the channel port to MIDI Through in seq24 and patch it to the cable in jack, but that's even worse than without jack
[20:13] <len-1304> Hmm, I don't have seq24.
[20:13] <gordonjcp> that's okay
[20:13] <len-1304> hang on you probably have to set seq24 to provide jack ports
[20:14] <gordonjcp> ah, it doesn't look like it supports it
[20:14] <len-1304> Im just installing it now.
[20:15] <zequence> gordonjcp: There's a section here about hardware timers, but from what I remember, only some applications, or very few would benefit from this (qtractor has some settings for midi timer) http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration&DokuWiki#hardware_timers
[20:15] <gordonjcp> zequence: read that, did that, made no difference
[20:15] <gordonjcp> timing is all over the place
[20:15] <zequence> Yeah, alsa midi kind of sucks
[20:16] <gordonjcp> are there any non-sucky sequencers in Linux yet?
[20:16] <zequence> Anything jack midi is ok
[20:16] <gordonjcp> this Atari isn't going to last for ever
[20:16] <zequence> At least for me..
[20:16] <gordonjcp> I tried muse, couldn't get any sound out
[20:16] <gordonjcp> I tried rosegarden, it crashed all the time
[20:17] <gordonjcp> also, they're not pattern-based, which is what I prefer working with
[20:17] <gordonjcp> I know Cubase isn't either but at least you can seamlessly loop measures
[20:17] <zequence> I actually use puredata for sequencing, but only internally. It's rock solid. If I use alsa midi to control a pd instrument I've made, it's not usable, not even close
[20:17] <len-1304> Have you tried qtracktor
[20:18] <gordonjcp> no, let's give that a bash
[20:18] <zequence> I find muse fast to work with, but I'm used to that sort of interface
[20:18] <gordonjcp> they all seem to be Qt apps
[20:18] <len-1304> seq24 doesn't show up even in the alsa window.
[20:18] <len-1304> QT is very common.
[20:18] <zequence> There are other problems with alsa midi than just jitter
[20:19] <zequence> When I was doing a lot of  tempo and time changes, no alsa based seq would play all the notes. Stuff would be dropped/skipped
[20:20] <zequence> ..which is why I blame alsa. Could be they all share the same midi code too (which could either be alsa, or not - I really have no idea)
[20:20] <zequence> So, I would never use ALSA midi for anything really
[20:21] <gordonjcp> yeah, I don't either now
[20:21] <zequence> Except controlling stuff that doesn't need to be realtime
[20:21] <gordonjcp> I've never found PCs to be particularly capable of running music stuff
[20:21] <len-1304> I think seq24 is actually OSS. That is the only reason I can think that it's ports would not show up in ALSA. So you have seq24->OSS->ALSA
[20:21] <gordonjcp> qtractor is just *weird*
[20:22] <len-1304> :)
[20:22] <gordonjcp> looks interesting but after a few minutes of poking at it I still haven't figured out how to add notes to a track
[20:23] <len-1304> Ya, I remember something about that.... it has been a while. I had to be on the right screen in the right mode
[20:23] <gordonjcp> right, sod that, that's no good
[20:25] <gordonjcp> well, thanks anyway, back to hardware sequencers and Cubase it is then
[20:25] <zequence> gordonjcp: Did you try ardour3?
[20:26] <zequence> It's probably not the best there is, midi wise, but it's jack midi
[20:26] <gordonjcp> zequence: yeah, it's horrible
[20:26] <gordonjcp> the audio stuff is okay
[20:26] <gordonjcp> but I don't care about audio, I only want MIDI sequencing
[21:05] <ole_> pls i need help with the jack server...after updating to the newest version of ustudio the jack server often never starts correctly...at the update process there was a dialog ask me if i want to delete old packages...could this be the reason of my problem ?
[21:19] <zequence> ole_: When you do updates, and it asks you if it's ok to delete packages, it is because those packages are not needed anymore. Not related to jack. J
[21:19] <zequence> ole_: It won't happen that something will be removed that you actually need
[21:20] <zequence> ole_: What kind of problem are you having?
[21:20] <zequence> ole_: If you like, paste the jack log to http://paste.ubuntu.com
[21:20] <zequence> and then post the link here
[21:24] <ole_> i have already started jack one time...and now this will show you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633579/
[21:40] <zequence> ole_: Which release of Ubuntu Studio is this?
[21:40] <zequence> 13.04?
[21:41] <zequence> ole_: Looks like you might have a problem with pulseaudio not letting go of the card. But, this should not happen on 13.04 or later (since pulseaudio 3.0)
[21:42] <ole_> i have the 13.04
[21:42] <zequence> ole_: Try this: ps -eo comm | grep jack
[21:43] <zequence> ole_: I'm interested to see if there is more than one jack running
[21:44] <ole_> double entry
[21:44] <zequence> ole_: jackd and jackdbus?
[21:45] <ole_> jackdbus
[21:45] <ole_> jackdbus
[21:45] <zequence> ole_: wow, that's not good
[21:46] <zequence> ole_: kill them. Use this command until you see no process found: killall -9 jackdbus
[21:47] <ole_> ok! what now?
[21:48] <zequence> ole_: How do you start jack usually?
[21:48] <ole_> manually
[21:49] <zequence> ole_: Yes, but do you use qjackctl, or do you use the commandline..?
[21:49] <ole_> qjackctl most of the time
[21:50] <zequence> ole_: Ok, so now that jack is killed, reopen qjackctl, make sure the correct audio device is selected, and try starting jack
[21:53] <ole_> it fails..
[22:01] <zequence> ole_: What do you see now, when you do: ps -eo comm | grep jack
[22:01] <zequence> ole_: If you only tried once, that is
[22:02] <ole_> ok after this upgrade to 13.04 there are listed hw:1 - firefly808u and hw:1,0 usb audio???  at the latest version of ustudio there is just the firefly 808u...no hw: 1,0 usb device
[22:02] <ole_> ok the command says qjackctl
[22:02] <ole_> qjackctl.real
[22:02] <ole_> jackdbus
[22:05] <zequence> ole_: Are you able to start jack with another audio device?
[22:06] <zequence> hdmi might not work, but something like your internal audio device
[22:06] <ole_> yes it works
[22:07] <zequence> ole_: Ok, so is pulseaudio using your usb audio device? Are you using it for desktop audio?
[22:09] <ole_> all my audio should go to the external firefly 808u device connect to my amp
[22:10] <ole_> :o)
[22:12] <zequence> ole_: Yes, but is pulseaudio using your usb audio device right now?
[22:14] <ole_> oh gosh im that noobish as possible...when pulseaudio is alsa then it is like
[22:14] <ole_> sry bout my speech
[22:15] <zequence> ole_: pulseaudio is the desktop audio system
[22:15] <zequence> !proaudio
[22:15] <ole_> :) thx
[22:16] <zequence> ole_: The volume control in the top bar, it controls pulseaudio. The mixer you open when clicking "Sound Settings" is pavucontrol, which is a pulseaudio mixer
[22:16] <zequence> ole_: So, did you set pulseaudio to use your usb audio device?
[22:18] <zequence> ole_: pacmd stat | grep "Default channel map:"
[22:19] <zequence> not sure if that shows anything readable
[22:19] <zequence> Anyway, you probably know
[22:23] <ole_> the mixer settings for output devices listed 2 devices the speakers as seen in the command frontleft/frontright and the pulseaudio jack sink
[22:24] <zequence> ole_: Which audio device are you using for desktop audio? The usb device, or the onboard device?
[22:25] <ole_> onboard
[22:29] <zequence> ole_: someone on ubuntuforums just reported a problem with another usb device
[22:30] <zequence> ole_: Can you see the usb device in pulseaudio mixer (pavucontrol)?
[22:30] <zequence> There could be a alsa usb regression, but I'm not at all sure this is your problem right now
[22:31] <zequence> ole_: Could you do this, and paste in http://ubuntu.com : aplay -l
[22:31] <zequence> sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com
[22:32] <ole_> the device name is not in the mixer
[22:33] <zequence> ole_: Check out this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2142142
[22:34] <zequence> ole_: You could try doing the same, using alsamixer from the command line: alsamixer
[22:34] <zequence> To choose card, use F6
[22:34] <ole_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633755/
[22:35] <zequence> ole_: If you get the same problem with alsamixer, please report a bug. Get a launchpad account, and do: report-bug alsa-base
[22:36] <zequence> ..the same problem as the guy in the forum
[22:37] <zequence> http://launchpad.net
[22:38] <zequence> ole_: it may happen that the bug is already reported
[22:38] <zequence> ole_: look for that, if you report the bug
[22:40] <ole_> thank you! sometimes it works sometime not...Too many cooks spoil the broth... and so the audio system works ...sometimes :o) so all my collected points goto the zequencer help!!!