[05:37] !contribute [05:37] If you want to contribute to Ubuntu Studio, please visit #ubuntustudio-devel or join the mailing list from https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-Studio-devel [05:37] Eh that is changed [12:11] good morning all!!! [12:11] brazilian?.. [12:16] hello... === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [13:42] oyun [13:42] oyun [13:43] ? [13:45] * cfhowlett ... suppressing the urge to go all Samuel L. Jackson "ENGLISH!" mode ... [13:46] lol === _MOSMarauder is now known as MOSMarauder === Guest55636 is now known as TMSteve [15:22] anybody used conky? [15:23] conky on ubuntu studio [15:38] hello guys, can somebody point me to the ubuntu studio repos for apt-get/synaptic? [15:38] kapitan, um the Ubuntu Studio repos are the Ubuntu ones [15:39] oh [15:39] kapitan, yep. All the Ubuntu Studio packages are in the Ubuntu archive [15:39] i tried to add raring but there are no upgrades for the main packages... [15:39] kapitan, heh. Do sudo do-release-upgrade [15:40] kapitan, read http://askubuntu.com/questions/279620/how-do-i-upgrade-from-12-10-to-13-04 [15:40] ok, i'll try then [15:40] ok thanks [15:42] is it possible that ubuntu-video and ubuntu-graphics packages are still version 0.100 ? [15:45] kapitan, ? [15:45] i see that the ubuntu-studio* packages have all the same version as before... [15:46] kapitan, what? Raring is 0.113 now [15:46] 0.100 only applies to Precise [15:46] ok, i am not pointing to the correct repo then [15:46] kapitan, you don't have to fiddle with repos [15:47] The link I gave you, it helps [15:47] yes i have...i don't a normal install, a lot of packages come from ppa [15:47] kapitan, :O [15:47] lol [15:47] Too many PPAs are not recommended [15:48] i know, but without ppa my linux box wouldn't work [15:48] ;) [15:48] kapitan, ? [15:48] Why? [15:48] for example bumblebee for graphic card [15:48] is not in main [15:53] kapitan, you can enable universe [15:54] kapitan, indeed, Ubuntu Studio exists on Universe [15:54] is this correct then? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu main universe [15:54] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main universe [15:54] kapitan, maybe try to see if you can find bumblebee in restricted and multiverse [15:57] yes, universe ha ubuntu-studio.* @ 0.113 [15:57] good! [15:57] kapitan, yep [15:58] kapitan, reminder: All Ubuntu Studio metapackages reside on universe. [15:58] i didn't know that [15:59] kapitan, yep. [15:59] kapitan, only keeping main while using Ubuntu Studio is the world's second worst idea [16:00] The first is not enabling repos at all [16:00] i know, but as i told you my system is very customized, i should clean it up with best practices [16:00] kapitan, as I said: Try to seee if bumblebee exists in restricted and multiverse [16:01] Or just ask somebody to package it [16:02] started ! :D [16:02] figers crossed [16:02] *finger [16:02] kapitan, um it turns out no:P [16:02] kapitan, go ask in #bumblebee and get it officially packaged please [16:04] i am asking [16:10] the answer was that "there are no such plans" [16:11] kapitan: you shouldnt need bumblebee AFAIK [16:11] in the future [16:12] kapitan: driver support like that is not necessarily ubuntustudio specific... i would ask in #ubuntu [16:12] oh well if the NVIDIA Optimus will be properly supported of course === Unit193 is now known as TheMaster [19:50] Have installed Ubuntu Studio on new machine, but it won't shutdown - every time I try it goes through the process then reboots immediately. Have tried shutdown -h from the terminal with same result. Any suggestions? tia [19:51] anb_: Sounds strange. Might be a kernel bug having to do with your HW [19:52] anb_: Please report it. While logged in, do: ubuntu-bug linux-lowlatency [19:52] anb_: You'll need to have a launchpad account, so create one first [19:53] https://launchpad.net/ [19:54] zequence: thanks, I have a launchpad account, but details on my other machine, and need to switch this one off first! (using same screen and keyboard) [19:55] Could be bios settings too [19:57] I'm considering ubuntu-studio, but it's a huge download full of stuff I don't need [19:57] all I really need out of it is the low latency kernel [19:57] It is ok to install xubuntu and add just the US metas you need [19:57] Add it then. [19:57] is that much the same as the "stock" Ubuntu linux-lowlatency kernel? [19:58] The package is linux-lowlatency [19:58] more specifically, the problem I'm running into is that my MIDI timing is crappy [19:58] That is ours. Not quite stock [19:58] even with the -ll kernel it's all over the place [19:58] Are you using ALSA midi or JACK midi? [19:58] ALSA [19:58] I'm using seq24 [19:59] I've never been able to figure out how to use jack midi [20:00] According to some of the devs ALSA does have some timing problems. Jack MIDI even using the a2j bridge is supposed to be better [20:00] okay, but that doesn't appear to talk to MIDI devices [20:00] a2jmidid -e will bring the devices across too [20:01] I don't know why the a2j dev didn't make that default. [20:01] I get the impression that jack MIDI is for softsynths only [20:02] There are some MIDI interfaces that work with Jack only. [20:02] Anything firewire for example [20:02] yah, these are just plain ordinary USB ones [20:03] several types, several chipsets, one is actually part of a hardware synth [20:03] I have heard that they are worse for timing with just the alsa drivers. I haven't personally been able to cause problems here [20:04] But I don't play keys much and most of my recording is audio in. [20:04] I did try to make problems in testing.... so in my case I can only tell you what I have heard. [20:05] The authors of both Ardour and Jack say a2j is the best thing timing wise right now. [20:05] hrmm [20:05] jack wants to take over my soundcard [20:05] Yup [20:05] well, it can't [20:05] Most people want that :) [20:05] I'm using it [20:06] Do you have more than one audio card? [20:06] yes, I guess I can point jack at the onboard card [20:06] Worth a try. [20:07] okay, what should I set for the MIDI Driver in qjackctl? [20:07] none. [20:07] none? [20:08] Just run a2jmidid -e after jack is running [20:08] Ya none. [20:08] A2J will do the work instead [20:08] okay [20:08] doesn't show up in seq24 [20:09] Again this is the recomendation of the Jack devs [20:09] I can't tell if that's going through jack or not [20:10] it sounds just as bad as before [20:10] Then in qjackctl click on the MIDI tab and you should see a2j [20:10] yup [20:10] make all your connections there [20:10] there's nothing to connect [20:10] just the audio cable [20:11] click on the little arrow beside a2j to see the connections [20:11] yeah, there is just MIDI Through and USB Midi Cable, on both [20:12] are you running any midi apps? [20:12] yes, seq24 [20:12] I can set the channel port to MIDI Through in seq24 and patch it to the cable in jack, but that's even worse than without jack [20:13] Hmm, I don't have seq24. [20:13] that's okay [20:13] hang on you probably have to set seq24 to provide jack ports [20:14] ah, it doesn't look like it supports it [20:14] Im just installing it now. [20:15] gordonjcp: There's a section here about hardware timers, but from what I remember, only some applications, or very few would benefit from this (qtractor has some settings for midi timer) http://wiki.linuxmusicians.com/doku.php?id=system_configuration&DokuWiki#hardware_timers [20:15] zequence: read that, did that, made no difference [20:15] timing is all over the place [20:15] Yeah, alsa midi kind of sucks [20:16] are there any non-sucky sequencers in Linux yet? [20:16] Anything jack midi is ok [20:16] this Atari isn't going to last for ever [20:16] At least for me.. [20:16] I tried muse, couldn't get any sound out [20:16] I tried rosegarden, it crashed all the time [20:17] also, they're not pattern-based, which is what I prefer working with [20:17] I know Cubase isn't either but at least you can seamlessly loop measures [20:17] I actually use puredata for sequencing, but only internally. It's rock solid. If I use alsa midi to control a pd instrument I've made, it's not usable, not even close [20:17] Have you tried qtracktor [20:18] no, let's give that a bash [20:18] I find muse fast to work with, but I'm used to that sort of interface [20:18] they all seem to be Qt apps [20:18] seq24 doesn't show up even in the alsa window. [20:18] QT is very common. [20:18] There are other problems with alsa midi than just jitter [20:19] When I was doing a lot of tempo and time changes, no alsa based seq would play all the notes. Stuff would be dropped/skipped [20:20] ..which is why I blame alsa. Could be they all share the same midi code too (which could either be alsa, or not - I really have no idea) [20:20] So, I would never use ALSA midi for anything really [20:21] yeah, I don't either now [20:21] Except controlling stuff that doesn't need to be realtime [20:21] I've never found PCs to be particularly capable of running music stuff [20:21] I think seq24 is actually OSS. That is the only reason I can think that it's ports would not show up in ALSA. So you have seq24->OSS->ALSA [20:21] qtractor is just *weird* [20:22] :) [20:22] looks interesting but after a few minutes of poking at it I still haven't figured out how to add notes to a track [20:23] Ya, I remember something about that.... it has been a while. I had to be on the right screen in the right mode [20:23] right, sod that, that's no good [20:25] well, thanks anyway, back to hardware sequencers and Cubase it is then [20:25] gordonjcp: Did you try ardour3? [20:26] It's probably not the best there is, midi wise, but it's jack midi [20:26] zequence: yeah, it's horrible [20:26] the audio stuff is okay [20:26] but I don't care about audio, I only want MIDI sequencing [21:05] pls i need help with the jack server...after updating to the newest version of ustudio the jack server often never starts correctly...at the update process there was a dialog ask me if i want to delete old packages...could this be the reason of my problem ? [21:19] ole_: When you do updates, and it asks you if it's ok to delete packages, it is because those packages are not needed anymore. Not related to jack. J [21:19] ole_: It won't happen that something will be removed that you actually need [21:20] ole_: What kind of problem are you having? [21:20] ole_: If you like, paste the jack log to http://paste.ubuntu.com [21:20] and then post the link here [21:24] i have already started jack one time...and now this will show you: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633579/ [21:40] ole_: Which release of Ubuntu Studio is this? [21:40] 13.04? [21:41] ole_: Looks like you might have a problem with pulseaudio not letting go of the card. But, this should not happen on 13.04 or later (since pulseaudio 3.0) [21:42] i have the 13.04 [21:42] ole_: Try this: ps -eo comm | grep jack [21:43] ole_: I'm interested to see if there is more than one jack running [21:44] double entry [21:44] ole_: jackd and jackdbus? [21:45] jackdbus [21:45] jackdbus [21:45] ole_: wow, that's not good [21:46] ole_: kill them. Use this command until you see no process found: killall -9 jackdbus [21:47] ok! what now? [21:48] ole_: How do you start jack usually? [21:48] manually [21:49] ole_: Yes, but do you use qjackctl, or do you use the commandline..? [21:49] qjackctl most of the time [21:50] ole_: Ok, so now that jack is killed, reopen qjackctl, make sure the correct audio device is selected, and try starting jack [21:53] it fails.. [22:01] ole_: What do you see now, when you do: ps -eo comm | grep jack [22:01] ole_: If you only tried once, that is [22:02] ok after this upgrade to 13.04 there are listed hw:1 - firefly808u and hw:1,0 usb audio??? at the latest version of ustudio there is just the firefly 808u...no hw: 1,0 usb device [22:02] ok the command says qjackctl [22:02] qjackctl.real [22:02] jackdbus [22:05] ole_: Are you able to start jack with another audio device? [22:06] hdmi might not work, but something like your internal audio device [22:06] yes it works [22:07] ole_: Ok, so is pulseaudio using your usb audio device? Are you using it for desktop audio? [22:09] all my audio should go to the external firefly 808u device connect to my amp [22:10] :o) [22:12] ole_: Yes, but is pulseaudio using your usb audio device right now? [22:14] oh gosh im that noobish as possible...when pulseaudio is alsa then it is like [22:14] sry bout my speech [22:15] ole_: pulseaudio is the desktop audio system [22:15] !proaudio [22:15] For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro [22:15] :) thx [22:16] ole_: The volume control in the top bar, it controls pulseaudio. The mixer you open when clicking "Sound Settings" is pavucontrol, which is a pulseaudio mixer [22:16] ole_: So, did you set pulseaudio to use your usb audio device? [22:18] ole_: pacmd stat | grep "Default channel map:" [22:19] not sure if that shows anything readable [22:19] Anyway, you probably know [22:23] the mixer settings for output devices listed 2 devices the speakers as seen in the command frontleft/frontright and the pulseaudio jack sink [22:24] ole_: Which audio device are you using for desktop audio? The usb device, or the onboard device? [22:25] onboard [22:29] ole_: someone on ubuntuforums just reported a problem with another usb device [22:30] ole_: Can you see the usb device in pulseaudio mixer (pavucontrol)? [22:30] There could be a alsa usb regression, but I'm not at all sure this is your problem right now [22:31] ole_: Could you do this, and paste in http://ubuntu.com : aplay -l [22:31] sorry, http://paste.ubuntu.com [22:32] the device name is not in the mixer [22:33] ole_: Check out this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2142142 [22:34] ole_: You could try doing the same, using alsamixer from the command line: alsamixer [22:34] To choose card, use F6 [22:34] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5633755/ [22:35] ole_: If you get the same problem with alsamixer, please report a bug. Get a launchpad account, and do: report-bug alsa-base [22:36] ..the same problem as the guy in the forum [22:37] http://launchpad.net [22:38] ole_: it may happen that the bug is already reported [22:38] ole_: look for that, if you report the bug [22:40] thank you! sometimes it works sometime not...Too many cooks spoil the broth... and so the audio system works ...sometimes :o) so all my collected points goto the zequencer help!!!