[00:08] <ouf> guys i need help
[00:09] <ouf> my xubuntu really got so much screwed after i tried
[00:09] <ouf> to install ati drivers
[00:09] <ouf> actually i installed them pretty fine
[00:09] <ouf> according to http://www.noobslab.com/2013/04/install-ati-amd-catalyst-drivers-in.html
[00:09] <ouf> so it asked me to make a restart after the installing finished
[00:09] <ouf> fine with it
[00:09] <ouf> but boot really screwed up
[00:09] <ouf> now when i choose to load ubuntu from
[00:10] <ouf> boot loader
[00:10] <ouf> it throws me some checks
[00:10] <ouf> and then freezes in the black screen
[00:10] <ouf> like Starting confiqure network device security OK
[00:10] <ouf> Starting confiqure network device  OK
[00:11] <ouf> Checking battery state OK
[00:11] <ouf> Stopping System V runlevel compatibility OK
[00:11] <ouf> Starting OK
[00:11] <ouf> Stopping cold plug devices OK
[00:12] <ouf> Stopping log initial device creation
[00:12] <ouf> Starting enable remaining boot-time encrypted block devices OK
[00:12] <ouf> Starting save udev log and update rules OK
[00:13] <ouf> Stopping save udev log and update rules OK
[00:13] <ouf> Stopping Mount filesystems on boot OK
[00:14] <ouf> anyone any clue?/
[00:14] <drc> boring, stupid and a waste of time
[00:15] <kgb> ouf: use http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and/or http://pastebin.com/
[00:16] <kgb> *next time
[00:16] <ouf> ok thanks
[00:19] <ddsss> what the difference between nvidia 173, 304, 304-updates, 310, 313-updates nvidia drivers? i'm super confused..
[00:37] <kgb> ddsss: besides those proprietary drivers, there are also the nvidia nouveau drivers that you can install; also, video drivers are (somewhat) linked to the kernel; so some will work *better* than others
[00:38] <ddsss> kgb, yeha. i'm using noveau right now.
[00:39] <ddsss> kgb, intel seem to be so far to have the best linux support - right?
[00:39] <kgb> Synaptic will show the updates easier, for example: nvidia-settings-313-updates (don't think they can be seen from the Software Center)
[00:40] <kgb> i suppose, Intel had (recently) come out with *nix drivers; for the on-die graphics
[00:44] <kgb> oh && there's this: http://imageshack.us/a/img526/7724/screenshot0504201302430.png
[00:46] <ddsss> kgb, yeha-  im just confused by all of those choices:)
[00:46] <ddsss> kgb, like - what's the diference between 310 and 313?
[00:46] <ddsss> kgb, just kinda weird.
[00:48] <kgb> perhaps the easiest is to use the proprietary one, from the Software Center; but if you have nouveau installed, you prolly shouldn't mess with it; for example, if you have a config file set: /etc/X11/xorg.conf and you uninstall and reboot (without installing an nvidia driver), X won't be able to start most probably
[00:49] <kgb> .. it's just teh *new and improved* drivers..:)
[00:50] <ddsss> kgb, yeah. i know. i hate proprietary dirvers too. always problems with them. noveau just works.
[00:50] <kgb> for me, on this box, it was the opposite :$
[00:50] <kgb> dual-head, 2 screens
[00:55] <kgb> ^^ argh, not that X might not be able to start; but it might not get the resolution right in some cases.. i wrote that too hastily (and all wrong :))
[00:57] <ddsss> kgb, i used to run arch  - but no longer have much time to configure and figure out things:( frigging work and stuff.
[01:51] <rmarker> i lost audio how can i fix?
[02:17] <onr> how would you fit xubuntu in a cd?
[02:19] <Unit193> onr: You can't really, but what do you need?
[02:21] <onr> Unit193: by bios is somehow screwed up and can't boot usb sticks, all i have is some empty CDs and a CD writer
[02:22] <onr> i remember there was a way to customize live ubuntu isos, so opting out some packages could work
[02:23] <Unit193> onr: http://xubuntu.org/news/booting-the-xubuntu-usb-image-from-a-cd/
[02:25] <Unit193> Will that work?
[02:30] <onr> Unit193: that looks awesome. thank you!
[02:31] <Unit193> Sure thing.
[02:50] <onr> btw, i don't get why xubuntu's size is even bigger than regular ubuntu, which has libreoffice, unity and other bloat
[02:52] <shrimp1> Hey
[02:52] <shrimp1> I'm having a bit of a problem with volume settings
[02:53] <shrimp1> Seems like the bottom half of the volume slider does nothing
[02:55] <shrimp1> And the top half is like adding a nuclear explosion for every bump up
[02:57] <shrimp1> Is there a way to adjust this?
[04:36] <m1chael> i just installed xubuntu. my touchpad left/right button both "left" click- it's a bug- i see discussions about it but nothing concrete yet. anyone know about this?
[04:42] <holstein> m1chael: what hardware? what bug number?
[04:45] <m1chael> its because my touchpad on this computer has a right/left area on the touchpad, but the button is essentially one button (you can feel it)
[04:46] <m1chael> im not sure of a bug #
[04:47] <holstein> m1chael: im not sure its a bug.. could be hardware related
[04:47] <m1chael> right click works in windows 8
[04:48] <holstein> m1chael: then, it has nothing to do with that button being one piece of plastic
[04:49] <holstein> m1chael: what would i do? look for touchpad settings and play around with them.. make a custom xorg.conf if i needed to support the device.. i would try other live CD's and see if any kernel supports it out of the box
[04:50] <th0r> m1chael: you might take a look at synclient...it is a command line utility for setting up the touchpad
[04:50] <holstein> !info synclient
[04:51] <th0r> check 'which synclient'....it is installed by default in 12.04 and might be part of another package
[04:51] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[04:53] <m1chael> i have had nothing but bad luck with this computer
[04:54] <m1chael> i cant believe i'm troubleshooting a right click problem
[04:54] <m1chael> it's 2013 ;/
[08:05] <xubuntu335> I installed Java 7 update 21 in software center but why is it not working in firefox ?
[08:08] <[uzver]> xubuntu335: look here http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/how-to-install-oracle-java-7-jdk-in.html
[08:10] <xubuntu335> not help in that.. i hav allready installed java.
[08:15] <[uzver]> xubuntu335: http://pastebin.com/zA9GVxKj
[08:27] <GrandCouillon> Hello guys. Since I upgraded to 13.04 lirc doesn't work anymore. The device /dev/lirc does not exist anymore. Any idea ?
[09:02] <antisober552> Hi guyz
[09:04] <lderan> hi antisober552  :D
[09:04] <antisober552> Should i update
[09:08] <lderan> up to you
[09:10] <lderan> If you like the look of 13.04 then you can try out the live dvd / usb
[10:34] <KeyboardNotFound> How to disable guest user on my pc
[10:35] <[uzver]> KeyboardNotFound: http://askubuntu.com/questions/62564/how-do-i-disable-the-guest-session
[10:37] <KeyboardNotFound> ty
[10:37] <KeyboardNotFound> Thanks *
[11:13] <xubuntu409> guys any help with this still?
[11:14] <xubuntu409> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5630804/
[11:14] <xubuntu409> my xubuntu really got so much screwed after i tried to install ati card graphic drivers! I own a laptop.
[12:11] <velcro> hello
[12:12] <velcro> anyone talkative? i need help. i ran sudo apt-get install laptop-mode-tools on Xubuntu 13.04 and it led to a kernel panic. i rebooted, and it panics on boot
[12:14] <velcro> trying to run a repair install with a Xubuntu 13.04 live-usb stick, but now its giving me a bunch of errors statign that it cant add a lot of common packages, like passwd and plymouth, unable to correct problems, i have held broken packages
[12:14] <velcro> it seems like the reinstallation is stalled now
[12:15] <velcro> just full re-install? or do i have any other choices?
[12:16] <velcro> :[
[12:17] <velcro> anyone?
[12:46] <anonymous> hello
[12:47] <Guest29804> i just got this again
[12:47] <Guest29804> what are some good programs
[12:48] <[uzver]> hm...
[12:57] <onr> Guest29804: terminator
[12:59] <[uzver]> Guest29804: deluge, mplayer, vlc, deadbeef, pidgin, gimp, inkscape
[13:01] <Guest29804> is there anything you know of to help learn languages or programming languages?
[13:01] <m1chael> last night i installed xubuntu 12.04 on a new asus netbook with UEFI (what a nightmare that was.) -- now i've got 12.04 running, and my touchpad's right button does not work (it works in windows) .. right click is just like left click. i believe this is due to this "modern" touchpad where the right/left click buttons feel like the same "connection" --- i see a lot of workarounds for this- but
[13:01] <m1chael> none seem to either work- or are way too complex for me to take on. i'm currently downloading version 13.04 and hoping it works. any ideas on this?
[13:02] <Guest29804> >raring
[13:02] <Guest29804> u goofd
[13:03] <Guest29804> id use some googlefu and check out the ubuntu forums
[13:03] <Guest29804> most of my problems can be solved there
[13:03] <onr> Guest29804: what kind of programming you're into?
[13:03] <bwat47> Guest29804: raring as been great for me aside from this ridiculous bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1169984
[13:03] <Guest29804> well, i was thinking of learning like objective c for those phone apps
[13:04] <Guest29804> and also webdev
[13:04] <onr> Guest29804: obj-c isn't suitable for beginners
[13:04] <Guest29804> even though i know it isnt programming
[13:04] <Guest29804> ill decide that for myself
[13:06] <Guest29804> >people telling me i cant do things
[13:06] <onr> web development is programming too. you should start with php, since it's probably the easiest to start web development
[13:07] <m1chael> i would start with python
[13:07] <bwat47> I've been meaning to learn programming and starting with python but I'm really lazy
[13:08] <m1chael> being lazy is not a good programming trait
[13:08] <bwat47> lol
[13:09] <bwat47> its not a great trait for anything really
[13:09] <m1chael> true
[13:10] <seronis> im sorry but my google-fu is weak today and im only getting results applicable to gnome.  Can someone tell me where to assign a keyboard command to run a custom script ?
[13:11] <bwat47> seronis: in the keyboard settings in the xfce settings manager, on the "application shortcuts tab"
[13:11] <onr> seronis: "application sho
[13:11] <onr> late :)
[13:11] <bwat47> when you click add to add a new shortcut it lets you enter a specific command or browser for a script
[13:12] <onr> command
[13:12] <seronis> do i have to have the directory the script is located in, in my PATH or is doing   ~/location/scriptname safe ?
[13:13] <seronis> its already chmod'd to 700
[13:13] <bwat47> seronis: it doesn't really matter where it is, you can just put the path to the script in the box, or hit "open" which lets you browse to it
[13:13] <seronis> ok ty.  was just curious because none of the other examples on that tab seemed to use absolute paths
[13:14] <bwat47> seronis: because the default shortcuts just use commands and don't link to scripts
[13:15] <lelz> have any of you gone through and customized your desktop to the point that people would call "rice"?
[13:15] <bwat47> zomg it seems like in 13.04 docky finally doesn't randomly crash on me
[13:15] <[uzver]> seronis: easiest way to place ur custom scripts in ~/bin folder, and call like other system commands without entering location
[13:16] <seronis> 'rice'  huh ?
[13:17] <bwat47> mine is fairly plain: http://i.imgur.com/gZAdSX0.png
[13:18] <seronis> http://i.imgur.com/Mo1RVJL.jpg
[13:18] <seronis> ok thank you again bwat..  command worked fine
[13:18] <seronis> (made a  puush.me script equivilant)
[13:18] <lelz> ricing like you would a car
[13:19] <lelz> some people spray paint their motherboards
[13:19] <seronis> dumped windows last week so setting up things
[13:19] <lelz> some people do stuff to their desktop
[13:19] <seronis> rice = food
[13:19] <lelz> rice = allusion to customizing a japanese car
[13:20] <seronis> never heard that expression before.  noted
[13:21] <lelz> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rice
[13:23] <lelz> i riced out my foobar and mpc-hc on  because people on an anime site made fun of me ;_;
[13:23] <lelz> *on windows
[13:26] <lelz> ive got one for you gentlemen, my battery seems to be stuck at 50% and ont charge past about 52%. how do i fix this?
[13:27] <lelz> *and wont charge
[13:31] <cfhowlett> lelz, is this a new issue?  batteries do fail over time ...
[13:31] <lelz> yeah
[13:31] <lelz> its weird because i just put in new ram
[13:31] <lelz> and now this
[13:32] <lelz> this whole laptop is like 7 years old anyway. its an hp and its pretty banged up
[13:32] <cfhowlett> lelz, same battery?  and you get 50%?  and you're complaining? Be happy!
[13:33] <lelz> :D
[13:33] <lelz> its not that good
[13:33] <lelz> im going to let it hit zero to see what happens
[13:33] <lelz> on 43% i have 53minutes
[13:33] <lelz> welp
[13:33] <lelz> better go play tf2
[13:34] <cfhowlett> lelz, batteries are cheap.  just make sure it's OEM as 3rd party parts are sketchy
[13:34] <lelz> ill look up newegg
[13:36] <xubuntu681> anyone help with this?
[13:36] <xubuntu681> my xubuntu really got so much screwed after i tried to install ati card graphic drivers! I own a laptop.
[13:36] <xubuntu681> Actually i installed them pretty fine according to http://www.noobslab.com/2013/04/install-ati-amd-catalyst-drivers-in.html . It found by its shelf the proper drivers and installed them.
[13:37] <xubuntu681> so it asked me to make a restart after the installing finished...fine with it!But boot really screwed up...now when i choose to load ubuntu from boot loader(linux boot loaders) it throws me some checks and then freezes in the black screen.
[13:37] <xubuntu681> like Starting confiqure network device security OK
[13:38] <lelz> ati has no drivers and nvidia causes housefires
[13:38] <lelz> you know the drill
[13:38] <bwat47> xubuntu681: does it let you switch to a tty? (try ctrl + alt + f2)
[13:38] <xubuntu681> bwat47
[13:38] <seronis> housefires?
[13:38] <xubuntu681> doesnt allo me to log to ubuntu
[13:38] <seronis> id.. like to argue with that exept my nvidia can fry eggs (or my legs)
[13:38] <xubuntu681> when i am in dual boot menu to choose ubuntu or windows xp
[13:38] <xubuntu681> and i choose ubunt
[13:38] <xubuntu681> ubuntu
[13:38] <lelz> did you get the grub rescue mode?
[13:38] <cfhowlett> xubuntu681, did you install via windows?
[13:38] <xubuntu681> then it trhows me these checks and then freezing
[13:38] <xubuntu681> no
[13:39] <xubuntu681> seperate install
[13:39] <xubuntu681> dual boot
[13:39] <cfhowlett> xubuntu681, good man.  wubi can't die soon enough for me ...
[13:39] <bwat47> xubuntu681: I'm saying when it stops on the black screen, try hitting ctrl + alt + f2
[13:39] <xubuntu681> no dint tried
[13:39] <xubuntu681> w8
[13:39] <bwat47> xubuntu681: doing that might give you a terminal to log into
[13:40] <xubuntu681> ok
[13:40] <xubuntu681> and then?
[13:40] <lelz> if i was you, id just reinstall ubuntu
[13:40] <seronis> ^
[13:40] <seronis> took me 17 minutes to install xubuntu the other day
[13:40] <bwat47> xubuntu681: login with username and pass and then run sudo aticonfig --initial --force
[13:40] <bwat47> and then reboot
[13:40] <seronis> (which actually impressed me a LOT)
[13:40] <cfhowlett> xubuntu681, windows 8 you say?  uefi issues ...
[13:40] <xubuntu681> lelz and you think that i have time to do all the time this stuff?installs and reinstalls?cause i tried to put some ati drivers?ffs
[13:41] <xubuntu681> cfhowlett no windows xp and xubuntu is my Os
[13:41] <lelz> youll spend more time trying to fix this
[13:41] <cfhowlett> xubuntu681, ok.
[13:41] <lelz> i can pretty much guarantee it
[13:42] <seronis> lelz,  im using nvidia and my drivers were available in the software manager.  is ATI really that bad for xubuntu ?
[13:42] <seronis> (useful to know as i might be getting a new comp this year)
[13:42] <lelz> lol
[13:43] <lelz> its just a joke that goes around online
[13:43] <xubuntu681> ok i am in
[13:43] <xubuntu681> i used sudo aticonfig --initial --force
[13:43] <xubuntu681> but it says me no supported adapters detected
[13:45] <bwat47> xubuntu681: what amd/ati card do you have?
[13:45] <xubuntu681> i dont remember exaclyt its on my laptop something like 4360 model
[13:46] <xubuntu681> ops my bad
[13:46] <xubuntu681> mobility radeon x700
[13:46] <xubuntu681> its a bit old maybe 2006 model card
[13:47] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: The proprietary ATI driver no longer supports your card, so remove it and use the default open-source driver
[13:47] <bwat47> xubuntu681: yep thats definitely the problem, thats a very very old card
[13:48] <xubuntu681> aha interesting
[13:48] <bwat47> xubuntu681: proprietary driver has not supported that in quite a while
[13:48] <xubuntu681> so what can i do?
[13:48] <lelz> install gentoo
[13:48] <lelz> sorry
[13:49] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Lucid_Installation_Guide#Removing_the_Driver
[13:50] <xubuntu681> lelz gentoo isnt for noobs like me :P
[13:50] <xubuntu681> thank you so much! its so helpfull this link
[13:50] <xubuntu681> so i will using the drivers that had the xubuntu by default? :P
[13:51] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: Then, Follow instructions here: https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[13:52] <xubuntu681> Oh too much for me :( so from the last link what packaghe should i install?
[13:52] <xubuntu681> its so much of them
[13:53] <xubuntu681> i thouthg that its enouph If you plan on using open-source drivers, you will need to reinstall some packages because Catalyst overwrites or diverts some key 3D libraries with proprietary versions. For more information on this issue, see this Ubuntu wiki page
[13:53] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: on that ppa fresh opensource drivers
[13:54] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: remove driver, reinstall packages, add ppa update upgrade
[13:55] <xubuntu681> aha interesting so the last link about ppa update upgrade was to getting my drivers overtime updated?
[13:55] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: yes
[13:56] <xubuntu681> okie thank you so much...i hope i can make it
[13:56] <xubuntu681> so after remove driver
[13:56] <xubuntu681> should i could log normally back to ubuntu with at +f2
[13:58] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: must:)
[13:58] <xubuntu681> $ sudo sh /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[13:58] <xubuntu681> :(
[13:58] <xubuntu681> it says me that cannot open it
[13:59] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: are u in console or X session?
[14:00] <xubuntu681> on console
[14:01] <xubuntu681> i runned the second command and its executed ok
[14:01] <xubuntu681> $ sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx fglrx_* fglrx-amdcccle* fglrx-dev* xorg-driver-fglrx
[14:01] <xubuntu681> 163 mb will be freed after this operation it says lol so i guess i am removing the mess :P
[14:08] <xubuntu681> thank you so much guys! works like a charm now ;)
[14:08] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: np
[14:09] <xubuntu681> it asked me some updated now that i logged in gui
[14:09] <xubuntu681> 95 mb
[14:09] <xubuntu681> so i think thats its ok that i am updating them
[14:10] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: what packages?
[14:10] <xubuntu681> like xserver stuff
[14:10] <xubuntu681> libgl1-mesa-dri
[14:10] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: from xorg-edgers ppa?
[14:10] <xubuntu681> libgl1-mesa-glx
[14:11] <xubuntu681> xserver -xorg-core
[14:11] <xubuntu681> i dint made the last step of putting ppa yet
[14:11] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: try to update
[14:12] <xubuntu681> okie
[14:12] <xubuntu681> by the way you have any idea why its a bit delay when i am pressing right click of mouse in my desktop?
[14:12] <xubuntu681> it takes 1 sec almost to show the menu after right click
[14:13] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: because it's grab application menu, i always disable apps menu on desktop click
[14:13] <[uzver]> *applications
[14:16] <xubuntu681> aha but why?it isnt usefull?
[14:16] <xubuntu681> so i should remove it
[14:18] <xubuntu681> aha got it...only applications option removed from the right click menu! now its also fast! thank you man hehe! so much hard time to adapt my shelf to linux after 10 years of windows :P
[14:19] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: i just don't use xfdesktop at all, i'he wallpaper and conky http://i.imgur.com/rPtSfo4.png
[14:21] <xubuntu681> oh interesting but it ll take me some time to start config so much hehe by the way from the screenshoot i guessed that you used on programming stuff
[14:21] <xubuntu681> what programs from ubuntu software center would you purpose me
[14:22] <xubuntu681> about sql/php developing
[14:22] <xubuntu681> ?
[14:25] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: i don't use any ide, my side python, c (vala, gtk) a little, mostly in sublime2, geany
[14:26] <xubuntu681> aha ok thanks anyway ;)
[14:26] <seronis> any syntax highlighting basic text editor should do for php
[14:26] <seronis> Scite for example
[14:27] <seronis> (i like scintilla editors though)
[14:28] <xubuntu681> okie thanks for the suggestion...but i am speaking about tools...like making a server sql maybe xammp?
[14:29] <[uzver]> sudo apt-get install php5 php5-mysql mysql-server apache2 libapache2-mod-php5 :)
[14:30] <xubuntu681> wow uzver your are archangel :D hehe!  btw what about Bluefish editor? html stuff hehe
[14:33] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: just try it;-)
[14:34] <xubuntu681> yea ;) i love the software center...i mean its like apocalypse zombie came and all the stores are empty and free for loot :P lol
[14:35] <seronis> except it has actually useful stuff in it, and not just the scraps that would be leftover in a real apocolypse
[14:36] <xubuntu681> hehe yeap true ;)
[14:36] <xubuntu681> btw in the application menu isnt a section about developing applications
[14:36] <seronis> the section shows up soon as you have software that uses it
[14:37] <seronis> mine was hidden till i installed CodeBlocks
[14:37] <xubuntu681> so now that i am downloading Netbeans it would be make a development section or it will move netbeans in the messy Accessories section?
[14:37] <xubuntu681> aha
[14:37] <xubuntu681> as i imagined it
[14:37] <xubuntu681> cooool :D
[14:40] <xubuntu681> Geany editor for java and everything sounds also promising
[14:44] <xubuntu681> btw my xubuntu havent sound at all
[14:44] <xubuntu681> and i cant find any relating setting in setting manager menus
[14:45] <xubuntu681> so need to install something?
[14:46] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: on panel speaker applet, left click and click Sound settings
[14:48] <xubuntu681> where is this panel speaker applet?cant find it :(
[14:50] <[uzver]> xubuntu681: try Alt+F2 end run pavucontrol
[14:50] <xubuntu681> oho got it ;) but why isnt from somwehere else available?
[14:52] <xubuntu681> and even if i turned on play back from silence to 70% the sound still cant hear in youtube sound :(
[14:55] <xubuntu681> okie had to sett also on output devices the sound on....doh...thank you so much all for your patience ;)
[15:06] <cristiano> vlc executado em fullscreen como eu oculto a barra superior do sistema?
[15:09] <cristiano> vlc executado em fullscreen como eu oculto a barra superior do sistema?
[15:09] <th0r> !es
[15:12] <Yotson>  .br ;)
[15:12] <cristiano> vlc executado em fullscreen como eu oculto a barra superior do sistema?
[15:12] <Yotson> !po
[15:12] <Yotson> !pt
[15:54] <didier> Hello
[15:55] <drc> hello
[15:55] <[uzver]> hi!
[15:55] <didier> The update software tells me to update openjdk. I don't remember I have installed it. How I can verify if this package is installed ?
[15:56] <[uzver]> didier: dpkg --get-selections | grep openjdk
[15:57] <didier> [uzver]: thanks, it is installed :).
[15:57] <didier> So I do the update :)
[15:59] <didier> [uzver]: When I select a text with the mouse in a terminal, the text is not automatically copied to the clipboard. Is there an option to have this behaviour ?
[16:00] <onr> there are more than one clipboards
[16:01] <didier> onr: Ok, do you have any tips :) ?
[16:02] <[uzver]> didier: i'dnt know, sorry
[16:02] <onr> use middle mouse button to paste
[16:02] <didier> Oh xubuntu 13.04 is out !
[16:03] <onr> yup. prepare your dvd
[16:03] <onr> it doesn't fit into a cd anymore
[16:05] <didier> onr: I installed xubuntu on a usb drive.
[16:06] <onr> i don't still get how xubuntu's size is bigger than ubuntu
[16:08] <bwat47> onr: does it really matter? It uses less memory, cpu, boots faster and is more responsive :p
[16:08] <drc> onr: xfce4-Kitchen_Sink :)
[16:09] <bwat47> xfce is also a lot more modular than unity, you can remove pretty much whatever you want
[16:10] <onr> unity is screwed up
[16:11] <kRush> no argument there
[16:11] <drc> No, unity is very nice, well done and getting better with each release.  It's just not for me.
[16:12] <bwat47> I switched to xubuntu not even because its lighter, just because unity gnome and compiz is so buggy (even 13.04)
[16:12] <bwat47> every corner I turned I'd run into some annoying unity, gnome, or compiz bug
[16:12] <bwat47> drove me insane
[16:13] <bwat47> its a shame cause I actually do really like unity's UI
[16:14] <onr> aka ubuntu netbook remix :)
[16:14] <onr> which is also impossible to run smoothly on a netbook
[16:15] <bwat47> and thunar is so much better than nautilus 3.6 its not even funny
[16:31] <xubuntu257> Anyone have brightness function key problems?
[16:37] <xubuntu388> guys i am making this progress
[16:37] <xubuntu388> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Lucid_Installation_Guide#Removing_the_Driver
[16:37] <xubuntu388> about some installtion open source ati drivers for my old laptop
[16:37] <xubuntu388> i was on the step
[16:37] <xubuntu388> $ sudo apt-get remove --purge xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-radeon $ sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati $ sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-core $ sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[16:37] <xubuntu388> and everything was working expect
[16:37] <xubuntu388> but when i am executing the last one command
[16:38] <xubuntu388> sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak
[16:38] <xubuntu388> it says me the error msg  cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf': No such file or directory
[16:39] <kRush> you can't back up what does not exist
[16:39] <xubuntu388> so its ok?i mean i dont need to execute the last command?
[16:40] <xubuntu388> the others three before executed ok
[16:41] <kRush> yeah
[16:41] <xubuntu388> ok so now how i install the open source ati drivers?
[16:42] <xubuntu388> i know that the next step its ther
[16:42] <xubuntu388> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[16:42] <xubuntu388> but i would be glad to have some more guiding
[16:47] <kRush> the commands above should have already taken care of that
[16:48] <xubuntu388> yea but i cant see any difference
[17:20] <hays> I am on perhaps makeshift xubuntu and trying to get 4.12. I've added the ppa:xubuntu-dev/xfce-4.12 and there was no effect. what do I need to do to get 4.12?
[17:20] <hays> im running raring
[17:22] <brainwash> hays: 4.12 is still in development, raring should already contain these few updated package (terminla, parole,..)
[17:23] <hays> brainwash: i heard a rumor 4.12 had better multiple screen management
[17:25] <brainwash> hays: so did you run apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade after adding the ppa?
[17:25] <hays> not dist-upgrade
[17:26] <hays> hmm dist-upgrade did nothing as well...
[17:27] <brainwash> hays: what's the output of   apt-cache policy xfce4-settings   ?
[17:27] <hays> Installed: 4.11.0-0ubuntu1~ppa0.13.04.1
[17:28] <brainwash> hays: well, you are up-to-date
[17:28] <hays> hmm.. alright then :)
[17:29] <hays> brainwash: while I have your attention, is there a good way to "clean out" a system? I just switched from kubuntu to xubuntu but I think there is a  lot of cruft
[17:29] <brainwash> hays: press   Super + p   to open the screen configuration dialog
[17:29] <hays> freebsd has for example pkg_cutleaves
[17:29] <brainwash> hays: you mean like orphaned packages?
[17:30] <hays> well orphaned or just things that are not needed and can be removed
[17:30] <hays> what is "Super"
[17:31] <brainwash> brainwash: so your system is not a fresh installation and contains some KDE stuff? otherwise, you can delete whatever package you want/ don't need using Synaptic Package Manager
[17:31] <brainwash> it's the windows key :)
[17:32] <hays> yes i found the improved display item.. that way and through the menu. nice.  alright I will use synaptic. i was on the commandline
[17:34] <brainwash> apt-get autoremove might remove some not needed packages, gtkorphan might be useful too
[17:37] <[uzver]> hays: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-use-multiple-monitors-in-xubuntu.html
[17:51] <hays> brainwash: synaptic was a fail.. it seems to not want to let me proceed until i fix some broken packages.. not sure what that means
[17:52] <[uzver]> hays: execute "sudo apt-get -f install"
[17:57] <hays> removing kdelibs seemed to clear a lot of cruft
[18:01] <hays> now autoremove is getting some stuff...  then I will do what [uzver] suggested.. which i guess fixes any broken deps
[18:15] <hays> I feel like apt is doing something weird, installing a bunch of "extra" packages that are KDE stuff
[18:26] <hays> are recommendations tweaked perhaps between kubuntu and xubuntu?
[18:47] <hays> Is there a way to get the clock and certain items on the panel to be right justified instead of left?
[18:48] <hays> The panel stretches all the way across my screen but the time ends up being kind of in the middle and moves depending on how many things are running
[18:51] <th0r> hays: make the space expanding
[18:51] <th0r> hays: add a spacer to the panel just before the clock and make the space an expanding space
[18:53] <hays> th0r: hmm ok.. that worked. but now I can't seem to get to panel properties since there is no empty space on the panel heh
[18:53] <hays> oh wait, Isee it  nevermind
[18:55] <hays> th0r: awesome. thanks.
[19:00] <hays> th0r: do you know how to center a panel?
[19:00] <th0r> hays: the whole panel or just some icons in the panel?
[19:01] <hays> th0r: hmm  I think I figured it out..  mine was dragged to the corner
[19:01] <hays> instead of the "bottom"
[19:01] <hays> I was looking for an option in the preferences
[19:57] <seronis> probably odd question:    but how do i get rid of the taskbar button for Pidgen and Steam ?
[19:57] <seronis> they have trayicons..  i dont need the clutter of a huge taskbar label
[19:57] <seronis> google-fu has only revealed how to do this on Windows and KDE
[19:59] <brauleinchen> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/twisted-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found
[19:59] <brauleinchen> W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/twisted-dev/ppa/ubuntu/dists/raring/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found
[19:59] <seronis> ?
[19:59] <brauleinchen> a bit odd, cause I cannot find those packages in the repo
[20:00] <brauleinchen> i dont understand, if I dont find those packages in the repos, why does my laptop try to download em?
[20:02] <MrHotsauce> brauleinchen:  maybe their ppa dosent have a raring package yet
[20:03] <brauleinchen> MrHotsauce, ok, but why does my laptop try to download it? there is no twisted-dev ppa package marked for installation in synaptic
[20:03] <heoyea> do a refresh
[20:04] <MrHotsauce> ive no idea im no professional myself but i know when i updated from 10.12 to 12.10 i got the same error for a while
[20:04] <MrHotsauce> it eventually fixed itself
[20:05] <heoyea> sudo apt-get update
[20:09] <seronis> brauleinchen,  might be similar to the issue i had with chrome.  just installed xubuntu for first time this past week and the stable chrome browser has dependancies that arent in the official repos
[20:09] <seronis> the issue was already addressed and fixed in the beta branch of chrome so i just installed that instead
[20:18] <brauleinchen> heoyea, refresh, the command you pasted, does output the same problem
[20:20] <heoyea>  brauleinchen then delete ur PPA since is dead
[20:20] <brauleinchen> heoyea, which one? I dont see any "twisted ppa" anywhere
[20:21] <heoyea> brauleinchen: try in ur synaptic package manager
[20:22] <heoyea> in the repository settings
[20:22] <heoyea> else u can delete it manually in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:22] <brauleinchen> heoyea, its not there
[20:24] <brauleinchen> heoyea, etc/apt/sources.list.d is a directory.
[20:24] <brauleinchen> thats what geany says after trying to open it via sudo gedit
[20:25] <heoyea> ls /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[20:27] <brauleinchen> heoyea, aha!! 3 results: twisted-dev-ppa-precise.list
[20:27] <brauleinchen> twisted-dev-ppa-precise.list.distUpgrade
[20:27] <brauleinchen> twisted-dev-ppa-precise.list.save
[20:27] <heoyea> yea remove those
[20:27] <brauleinchen> heoyea, how? I cannot open "sources.list.d"
[20:28] <heoyea> try Alt+F2, then type in gksudo thunar
[20:29] <heoyea> then go to that place and delete the files
[20:29] <heoyea> only the files not the folder
[20:30] <brauleinchen> done
[20:31] <heoyea> now just do sudo apt-get update
[20:31] <MichaelA> Hello, noob to Xubuntu and loving it. One thing I can't figure out. Is it possible to access my Ubuntu One files via Thunar? Is a panel notification available for Ubuntu One in Xfce?
[20:33] <brauleinchen> heoyea, many thanks oit works now
[20:36] <heoyea> MichaelA: maybe this http://askubuntu.com/a/15746
[20:44] <MichaelA> heoyea: Thanks! That worked like a charm. Now the trick is to set it up so that command is run every time I start my system.
[20:51] <MoL0ToV> hello world
[21:17] <MoL0ToV> bye to all
[22:59] <xubuntu548> How can I fix brightness keys in 13.04 ?
[23:10] <seronis> not sure.  im new too.  but make sure you leave the chat window open for when someone is around who knows the answewr