[00:43] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1119312] Desktop Effects keyboard shortcuts not saved @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1119312 (by lordievader)
[02:50] <ScottK> Riddell: krfb works here.  It didn't work the first time I launched it, but it did the second.  No idea why.
[03:45] <ahoneybun> hey people!
[03:57] <ahoneybun> hey ScottK
[04:12] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[04:49] <valorie> ahoneybun: here now
[06:27] <soee> good morning
[08:22] <Riddell> "Myriam Schweingruber (myriam) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay Mamarok still loves us!
[08:23] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Meh if Mamarok isn't I will be O-mouthed
[08:24] <smartboyhw_> BTW, how is KDE SC 4.10.3 doing?
[08:26] <Riddell> see for yourself http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.3_raring.html
[08:26] <smartboyhw_> Meh no one fixed it?
[08:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: what a silly assumption I would not still like you :)
[08:29] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: Anyone abandoned their membership in the past 12 months?
[08:30] <Mamarok> I use Kubuntu since its very existence, why would I abandon it?
[08:31] <smartboyhw_> Mamarok: You will not for sure.
[08:33] <Riddell> what small bugs shall we get agateau to fix?
[08:34] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: kactivities 4.10.3
[08:34] <smartboyhw_> It's crapped when cmaking
[08:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: ur such a stalker :P
[08:38] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: lol
[10:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: hmm, how does one update the package in ninjas again :S
[10:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: huh?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: nvm :P
[10:39] <shadeslayer> did not have enough coffee and TT
[10:39] <yofel> smartboyhw_: kactivities is crapped because nepomuk-core needs an update
[10:39] <yofel> :D
[10:39] <shadeslayer> n-c is fixed
[10:39] <shadeslayer> just uploaded it
[11:16] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[11:16] <smartboyhw> Hello BluesKaj
[11:16] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[12:07] <Riddell> +           ) + i18n("<p>Kubuntu includes additions and alterations to the KDE translation from <a href=\"https://translations.launchpad.net/\">Launchpad</a>.</p>");
[12:07] <Riddell> do we still need this?
[12:12] <Riddell> harald say no
[12:53] <ScottK> Riddell: What happened to you with krfb?  I made it work.
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: I really don't know
[13:34] <Riddell> ScottK: I made it work connecting to me, it just didn't connect from the withsupport office
[13:35] <ScottK> What VNC client where they using?
[13:35] <Riddell> it was connecting from an ubuntu machine so maybe there's something there
[13:35] <Riddell> but I've not looked any further than that
[13:35] <Riddell> maybe they were just doing something stupid
[13:35] <ScottK> I'd ask them what VNC client they were using as it seems to work with krdc.
[13:54] <smartboyhw_> apachelogger: Good guidelines
[14:11] <Riddell> kde telepathy's notification systray icon, should it blink?
[14:12] <yofel> IIRC there should be a seperate blinking envelope when you get a message
[14:13] <Riddell> yes that's what there is
[14:13] <Riddell> but should there be? from a nice design perspective
[14:13] <Riddell> I think it's annoying to have a blinking thing
[14:14] <yofel> I think that's very much personal preference. Most IM applications have some blinking thing for new messages
[14:14] <yofel> be it the application icon or something else
[14:15] <yofel> it could be redundant if you consider knotify to be responsible for that
[14:16] <shadeslayer> Martin says it's very heavy on kwin
[14:16] <yofel> because it's an animation? rendering some 16x16 px shouldn't be that heavy...
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I believe he said something about blur
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I forget
[14:17] <yofel> oh, blur can be heavy, right
[14:18] <yofel> I personally could live without it - *IF* I could make the knotify icon red when something's up
[14:18] <yofel> I don't notice a small grey icon on a grey panel with a number on it unless I'm actually there when the full notification pops up
[14:26] <shadeslayer> yofel: turns out the entire panel is redrawn if the hardware doesn't support caching
[14:26] <yofel> ouch
[14:27] <smartboyhw> yofel: ?
[14:27] <yofel> ok, mine supports caching if I can trust the "show paint" effect
[14:27] <yofel> smartboyhw: <shadeslayer> yofel: turns out the entire panel is redrawn if the hardware doesn't support caching
[14:28] <smartboyhw> yofel: Eh
[14:54] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: <yofel> smartboyhw: <shadeslayer> yofel: turns out the entire panel is redrawn if the hardware doesn't support caching
[14:56] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: You quoted too many people
[14:57] <apachelogger> I thought we were playing a game
[14:57] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: … No we are not.
[14:58] <apachelogger> :O
[14:59] <smartboyhw> apachelogger: lol
[16:07]  * Riddell spots https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-webkit-maintenance
[16:08] <ScottK> Seems rather incomplete.
[16:42] <apachelogger> Darkwing: yofel: shadeslayer: there are  2 pending questions on the mailing list for you guys....
[16:43] <shadeslayer> I have half a reply in my draft
[16:44] <apachelogger> that does not help me now does it :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> I am sleepy
[16:45] <shadeslayer> coffee didn't help
[16:45] <apachelogger> cry me a river
[16:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Barcelona has no river
[16:46] <apachelogger> that's why you are supposed to cry me one.....
[16:47] <shadeslayer> I don't think it works that way
[16:48] <apachelogger> it is
[16:48] <apachelogger> trust me
[16:48] <apachelogger> I am austrian.
[16:48] <shadeslayer> and that's exactly why I don't trust you
[16:48] <shadeslayer> 4.10.3 packages are just weird on the status page
[16:48] <shadeslayer> E: libkwineffects1abi4: symbols-file-contains-current-version-with-debian-revision on symbol _ZN4KWin15AnimationEffect25disconnectGeometryChangesEv@ABI_1_4
[16:49] <shadeslayer> I don't see the debian revision in there
[16:52] <debfx> look into the log file
[17:05] <mitya57> shadeslayer: re okular (again): I tried to change the ABI version, but the build still produces usr/lib/libokularcore.so.2abi1
[17:06] <mitya57> should I have a libokularcore2abi2 package providing a .so.2abi1 library?
[17:07] <shadeslayer> uh no
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[17:08] <mitya57> (detais are in bug 117943 I've filed today)
[17:08] <mitya57> *details
[17:09] <mitya57> *bug 1176943
[17:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> nvm
[17:11] <shadeslayer> mitya57: X-Debian-ABI: 1
[17:12] <apachelogger> ur such a troll
[17:12] <shadeslayer> mitya57: you need to bump that
[17:12] <mitya57> shadeslayer: ah thanks, didn't notice that
[17:12] <shadeslayer> np
[17:13] <apachelogger> someone please make sure albert is ok with the bump
[17:14] <mitya57> pushed to lp:~mitya57/kubuntu-packaging/okular, will submit a mp if/when it builds
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^
[17:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ^^^^^
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^^^^
[17:15] <apachelogger> did anyone do that?
[17:16] <shadeslayer> do what
 someone please make sure albert is ok with the [abi] bump
[17:17] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:17] <shadeslayer> mitya57: ^^
[17:18] <mitya57> tsdgeos is not here
[17:18] <mitya57> will subscribe him to the bug
[17:18] <shadeslayer> #okular
[17:18] <apachelogger> awesome thanks
[17:20] <mitya57> s/the bug/the merge proposal/g, that'll make more sense
[17:20] <kubotu> mitya57 meant: "will subscribe him to the merge proposal"
[17:25] <shadeslayer> mitya57: btw please discuss with upstream before uploading anything
[17:25] <shadeslayer> just to make sure they're OK with it
[17:26]  * mitya57 thinks discussing with tsdgeos will be enough
[17:27] <Riddell> they're private symbols
[17:27] <Riddell> that's not an abi change
[17:27] <lordievader> Good evening.
[17:29] <mitya57> shadeslayer: ^^
[17:34] <Riddell> mitya57: they're all private symbols, it's fine for gcc to optimise them away
[17:34] <Riddell> no abi change
[17:34] <mitya57> OK, actually I thought about that but was not sure enough
[17:36] <mitya57> can one of you then pull ~mitya57/kubuntu-packaging/okular into the main branch? I've undone the package name change
[17:38] <Riddell> mitya57: let me look
[17:38] <mitya57> wait a second, I'll add a bug reference
[17:38] <mitya57> done
[17:39] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1174495] kwin instability with r600 radeon and high monitor resolutions @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1174495 (by sfar)
[17:40] <Riddell> mitya57: that still does the abi change, it's not necessary
[17:41] <Riddell> mitya57: ah no it's all good
[17:44] <apachelogger> yofel: piiiiing
[17:44] <yofel> apachelogger: reserved pong
[17:45] <apachelogger> yofel: if I upload a patched .2 runtime now will you hate me?
[17:45] <apachelogger> i.e. it could wait until after .3
[17:45] <apachelogger> it's just that I have it ready now ^^
[17:45] <yofel> well, not really... as long as you later rebase .3 on the new .2
[17:45] <apachelogger> :O
[17:46] <apachelogger> I'll wait :P
[17:46] <yofel> we need an intact changelog... that's all
[17:46] <Riddell> mitya57: merged!
[17:46] <mitya57> thanks Riddel!
[17:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: exams done yet?
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: nope, www.unh.edu/registrar/finals/finals_spring_2013.pdf
[17:56] <apachelogger> oh my
[17:56] <apachelogger> I'll poke you on thursday I suppose then :P
[17:56] <apachelogger> or next week or something
[17:56] <apachelogger> I have great plans for making updates less annoying :P
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> k ^^
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: though personally, I have exams on the 10th, 13th and 14th
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> so you could probably poke me wed. and it'd be ok
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> that's a list of all the possible times a final exam could be scheduled
[17:59] <apachelogger> ok, perfect
[18:18] <Riddell> hmm not much on http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/2013-05-14/
[18:21] <Riddell> Darkwing: fancy setting up a mumble call again for kubuntu?
[18:22] <Riddell> ScottK: "[PyQt] ANN: PyQt5 Snapshots Available" does that make you exsxcited?
[18:53] <ScottK> I already ping'ed xnox and mitya57.
[18:53] <ScottK> I'm hoping they are excited enough to package it.
[18:53] <shadeslayer> py-cited
[18:53] <Riddell> mirv?
[18:54]  * mitya57 is excited but lacks time, so won't be against xnox doing it :)
[18:57] <ScottK> mitya57: Find someone else that does ...
[18:57] <ScottK> BTW, sip4 will need to be updated too.
[18:58] <mitya57> that should be an easy thing
[19:00] <ScottK> mitya57: Excellent.  Thanks for working on it.
[19:00] <mitya57> ScottK: do you want me to commit it to svn?
[19:01] <ScottK> mitya57: I'd say first get it into Ubuntu and in bzr.  I'm not sure the state of Qt5 in Debian at the moment.
[19:01] <mitya57> it's in experimental
[19:01] <ScottK> There's a few things around sip4/PyQt4 that need sorting before I can put it in Debian anyway.
[19:02] <ScottK> Once I get the current sip4 in experimental sorted, then it could go there, but in the mean time, I'd get it in Ubuntu.
[19:02] <mitya57> by "it" I meant sip4...
[19:12] <ScottK> No, not yet.
[19:12] <ScottK> Just do Ubuntu.
[19:15] <ahoneybun> ScottK: Justodo Kubuntu.
[19:15] <ahoneybun> *Just do Kubuntu.
[19:15] <k1ck-soee> hiho, KDE 4.10.3 out ? 
[19:15] <ScottK> ahoneybun: It's all one package archive.  I meant Ubuntu as in Ubuntu the distribution, not Ubuntu the desktop.
[19:22] <Riddell> soee: needs packaging
[19:22] <soee> Riddell, can't do that but i can test when ready :)
[19:22] <Riddell> hmm, do I want to remove all these ? Build-Depends: kde-sc-dev-latest (>= 4:4.10)
[19:23] <Riddell> (again)
[19:27] <ScottK> apachelogger: More plymouth fun: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-release-notes/+bug/1171099/comments/20
[19:28] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: KDE Bug 317858 seems to be reasonably hot.  Is a solution for that available?
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> There's not one yet
[19:29] <JontheEchidna> It's one that I thought I had fixed, but the solution didn't end up working
[19:30] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks for working on it.
[19:32] <JontheEchidna> It's one I can't reproduce, so any of my attempts are blind. (Timing related)
[19:33] <ScottK> I can reproduce it intermittently.
[19:33] <ahoneybun> ScottK: I know just joking ;)
[19:33] <ScottK> OK
[19:33] <ahoneybun> Hey Riddell
[19:33] <ScottK> Some people don't.
[19:42] <ahoneybun> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics
[19:44] <yofel> Riddell: well, as long as we don't change the version in meta-kde, you could just leave it in
[19:46] <yofel> ScottK: the graphical splash not working with nvidia means it works be design, no?
[19:46] <yofel> an nouveau is buggy alright
[19:46] <ScottK> No idea.
[19:46] <yofel> *as designed - I meant
[19:47] <yofel> the nvidia driver expects the kernel to be in text mode. Thus you get the text splash
[19:47] <yofel> you can ofc. force a framebuffer, but IIRC that doesn't work in all cases
[20:01] <ahoneybun> is Kubuntu still using guarddog?
[20:03] <yofel> ahoneybun: looks very KDE3 to me, so no
[20:05] <ahoneybun> what does
[20:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: "buggy" probably means text splash :P
[20:05] <apachelogger> i.e. kubuntu-text
[20:08] <yofel> ahoneybun: guarddog
[20:08] <yofel> though I meant qt3 
[20:09] <ahoneybun> yofel: yes what does Kubuntu use as a firewall right now?
[20:09] <yofel> ahoneybun: nothing
[20:09] <yofel> the successor was kcm-ufw which was removed after being unmaintained
[20:09] <ahoneybun> oh nice
[20:10] <ahoneybun> I guess I can take that out of the Docs
[20:11] <yofel> if someone would want to configure the firewall gufw would probably be the thing to use
[20:23] <tyrog> Hello everyone. Is it possible to use the Ubuntu LTS enablement stack in Kubuntu 12.04.2? thanks
[20:23] <ahoneybun> just was wondering if that was still in theree
[20:23] <ahoneybun> tyrog: Kubuntu uses the same software repos
[20:24] <tyrog> ahoneybun: is there no problem with dependencies?
[20:33] <ahoneybun> if they are the same versions, I'm not 100% sure
[20:33] <ahoneybun> we use the same packages
[20:38] <yofel> tyrog: none that can't be worked out at least. If there are it's mostly apt doing the wrong thing 
[21:01] <apachelogger> agateau: kde:about-distro
[21:01] <agateau> apachelogger: \o/
[23:05] <shadeslayer> anyone working on getting the kscreen update in?
[23:05] <shadeslayer> in Raring
[23:10] <ScottK> Don't think so
[23:11] <shadeslayer> uhm, shouldn't we?
[23:14] <ScottK> Yes
[23:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I've uploaded libscreek into kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[23:20] <shadeslayer> *libkscreen
[23:20] <shadeslayer> once that's compiled I'll upload kscreen
[23:21] <ScottK> OK