[00:13] <rickspencer3> bobweaver, looking at your xmlistmodel question
[00:15] <rickspencer3> does it not work to simply end your query at /ProgramGuid/Channels/ChannelInfo" for the listmodel
[00:15] <rickspencer3> ?
[05:03] <raj_> hi
[06:42] <dholbach> good morning
[09:38] <tsdgeos> t1mp_: ping
[10:32] <Guest3827> Hello, is it possible to install "apps" on unity-next installed on a ubuntu 13.04 device?
[12:47] <YellowRoze> Hi. I thought I'd try the stuff out on my tf101 (asus transformer) and I've managed put the files on my device and booted up enough to get a login prompt (text mode so far).
[12:47] <YellowRoze> I can see with dmesg that ubuntu-session is respawning alot but I never get anything visual. Is there some logfile somewhere I can start poking in to see why it won't start?
[12:49] <Safa_[A_boy]> Hi, is there anyway to check that the tablet device allow unlocking the bootloader ?
[13:14] <rtg_> rsalveti, ogra_: "phablet-flash -b" to an N4 (from a Precise workstation) works OK, but "phablet-flash --series saucy" seg faults.
[13:15] <ogra_> heh, we dont have downloadable images yet
[13:15] <ogra_> though --series called with a wrong arg should indeed not segfault ..
[13:15] <rtg_> ogra_, huh, guess maybe tahts why
[13:15] <ogra_> sergiusens, ^^^
[13:17]  * ogra_ is just fiddling with a hacky way to provide saucy builds ... we are missing the cross toolchain and bionic in the archive to roll the boanry that needs to go into the update.zip ...
[13:17] <sergiusens> ogra_: rtg_ probably is, will check on the series thing crashing and make the help better in stating that it should generally not be used
[13:17] <ogra_> with luck we should have interim zips  tonight though
[13:18] <sergiusens> ogra_: I can wrap the zip into the jenkins builds if it will take more time
[13:18] <rtg_> ogra_, cool, though it'll be Wednesday before I can test kernels. I'm traveling to Portland tomorrow.
[13:18] <ogra_> sergiusens, nah, we need the code on cdimage anyway
[13:18] <ogra_> its just that i have to create it out of boounds until we can build the binary content
[13:19] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, I was suggesting jenkins to be the out of bounds ;-)
[13:19] <sergiusens> as an interim
[13:19] <ogra_> rtg_, well, yu can just use raring images and flip the sources.list
[13:19] <ogra_> sergiusens, so you would pull the tarball from nusakan (which you cant access) and do the zipping ?
[13:19] <sergiusens> take into account that you will lose networking and telephony when you update
[13:20] <ogra_> yeah
[13:21] <sergiusens> right, I can't access nusakan... depending on how long it will take we can setup for it or not
[13:21]  * sergiusens feels really tired
[13:21]  * ogra_ too
[13:21] <ogra_> silly jetlag
[13:21] <sergiusens> yeah, don't feel I'll get much done today :-/
[13:22]  * ogra_ doubts anyone expects that
[13:22] <ogra_> until wed. i'm operating on half power here too ... slightly raising over the days
[13:22] <ogra_> awww
[13:23] <ogra_> thats why my autodeploy.zip doesnt work ... heh
[13:23]  * ogra_ changes it to not use ubuntu_tmp_foo/binary but just /ubuntu_tmp_foo in the mv ... 
[13:24] <sergiusens> ogra_: it's the small things that always break :-)
[13:24] <ogra_> it would be so nice if it wouldnt just go into a reboot if it cant find /data/ubuntu
[13:24] <ogra_> so you could inspect without acrobatics on the buttons to get into recovery again
[13:40] <Miura> hello guys, I'm with one doubt, can you help me?
[13:41] <Miura> i'm thinking of start developing for ubuntu touch, so.. one question.. do you guys test your apps on a emulator or directly in the phone?
[13:42] <kenvandine> Miura, i test on both my desktop and my nexus 7
[13:43] <Miura> Hmm, thank you xP
[13:44] <Miura> someone know some team that is porting for galaxy s3?
[13:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: hmmm, I wonder if changing the exit code for the update script would do the trick and block the reboot
[14:17] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, after the container flip it wont matter anymore
[14:20] <ogra_> yay, that worked
[14:30] <sergiusens> ogra_: how's the container flip progressing?
[14:31] <ogra_> not started yet
[14:31] <ogra_> i need a working brain for that
[14:31] <pmcgowan> ogra_, it seems the mtp remount thing is in the way of my flashing today
[14:31] <pmcgowan> is that possible?
[14:31] <ogra_> yeah
[14:31] <pmcgowan> it seems worse using the nexus 10
[14:32] <pmcgowan> cant get the flash to go through
[14:32] <pmcgowan> ogra_, did you find a workaround?
[14:32] <rtg_> pmcgowan, the only workaround I've discovered is to use a Precise workstation
[14:32] <pmcgowan> it was ok in quantal as well
[14:33] <pmcgowan> raring its like every 20 secs
[14:33] <ogra_> gimme a sec
[14:35] <ogra_> pmcgowan, move /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules out of the way
[14:35] <ogra_> (might need a reboot, not sure if udev caches anything)
[14:35] <ogra_> in raring mtp handling was fixed (was pretty broken before all the time) ...
[14:36] <ogra_> now we have a device that gets recognized as mtp device but doesnt have the device specific bits needed for the mounting
[14:37] <ogra_> there is also bug 1160847
[14:39] <seb128> ogra_, we should look at the suggestion a) the upstream guy did on that bug, e.g making the device advertise that mtp handling is not activated
[14:39] <pmcgowan> ogra_, seb128 agreed
[14:40] <pmcgowan> added  a rule to skip the 10
[14:40] <ogra_> seb128, nope we should instead fix our devices
[14:40] <ogra_> like ... adding mtp support :)
[14:41] <seb128> I except that is going to be harder
[14:41] <sergiusens> seb128: ogra_ I'll see if I can make a change for tomorrow's build
[14:41] <seb128> ogra_, and people were saying at the sprint that mtp's server side is patented by MS
[14:41] <ogra_> sergiusens, that would need to happen in the ubuntu userspace i fear
[14:41] <ogra_> ugh
[14:41] <niklas> Hey, is it possible to install the core apps on unity-next installed on 13.04??
[14:41] <seb128> sergiusens, do you know how to do that?
[14:41] <sergiusens> ogra_: then it won't happen in tomorrow's build :-/
[14:42] <ogra_> sergiusens, well, if its trivial to provide from the android side, doit
[14:42] <sergiusens> seb128: I thought it was just an android property...
[14:42] <seb128> sergiusens, it could be
[14:42] <ogra_> if its just a property, then yeah, just do it
[14:43] <niklas> Hey, is it possible to install the core apps on unity-next installed on 13.04??
[14:43] <sergiusens> seb128: ogra_ ok, if I can confirm it, I'll have it in tomorrow's build
[14:43] <seb128> sergiusens, thanks
[14:44] <ogra_> i would suspect that you need some lib stuff too though
[14:44] <ogra_> and if what seb128 said is true that might be problematic
[14:44] <seb128> ogra_, well, disabling mtp is not problematic, having a server implementation would be
[14:45] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'll track it down
[14:45] <seb128> ogra_, but yeah, that was raised as an issue at the sprint, and something that needs to be looked at
[14:45] <pmcgowan> sergiusens, I disabled the mtp for nexus 10 and now I get no permissions when I go to use adb?
[14:45] <ogra_> seb128, oh, i understood sergiusens wanted to enable it for the android side
[14:46] <seb128> ogra_, no, I think he wants to turn off the flag that advertise mtp support
[14:46] <seb128> well, that's what I understood
[14:47] <pmcgowan> ogra_, did you actually try moving that rules file out of the way?
[14:47] <ogra_> pmcgowan, note that adb access is ruled by udev-acl
[14:47] <ogra_> how did you "disable the n10"
[14:47] <pmcgowan> made a rule that said if id is n10 go to end
[14:48] <ogra_> pmcgowan, yes, i dont have it on my chromebook and the world is fine for me
[14:48] <pmcgowan> hmm, did not mount it or something
[14:48] <ogra_> i wonder if yoour new rule somehow makes it skip udev-acl support
[14:49] <ogra_> also, do you use adb from the archive ?
[14:50] <pmcgowan> let me check should be
[14:50] <ogra_> (since that ships the udev-acl bits)
[14:51] <pmcgowan> yes
[14:51] <pmcgowan> from raring archive
[14:51] <ogra_> no sdk installed or some such
[14:51] <pmcgowan> ogra_, nope
[14:51] <ogra_> then it should just work ... hmm
[14:52] <ogra_> (definitely does here with the g-nex)
[14:52] <pmcgowan> added this line at the top of the rules file
[14:52] <pmcgowan> ATTR{idVendor}=="18d1", ATTR{idProduct}=="4ee2", GOTO="libmtp_rules_end"
[14:54] <pmcgowan> doesnt make sense
[14:55] <seb128> pmcgowan, try to
[14:55] <seb128> run "adb kill-server" then "adb start-server"
[14:56] <seb128> sometimes the adb server seems to be in a buggy state
[14:56] <pmcgowan> seb128, tried that
[14:56] <seb128> ok...
[14:57] <pmcgowan> seb128, whats the first line in your /lib/udev/rules.d/69-libmtp.rules
[14:57] <seb128> Unable to open ~/.mtpz-data for reading, MTPZ disabled.# UDEV-style hotplug map for libmtp
[14:57] <seb128> # Put this file in /etc/udev/rules.d
[14:57] <seb128> ACTION!="add", GOTO="libmtp_rules_end"
[14:57] <seb128> "
[14:57] <ogra_> heh
[14:57] <ogra_> same here
[14:57] <pmcgowan> that looks bad
[14:57] <ogra_> someone made soem mess there
[14:58] <pmcgowan> not my problem i suspect but not right
[14:58] <ogra_> iirc the rule is autogenerated during build
[14:58] <ogra_> so that error gets spit into that file
[14:58] <ogra_> yeah, itr shouldnt do any harm ... but is a wart
[14:58] <seb128> I will have a look
[14:59] <seb128> I was planning at doing the libmtp merge with debian this week anyway
[14:59] <seb128> but yeah, probably a different issue than the device not detected by adb one
[14:59] <ogra_> right
[14:59] <ogra_> pmcgowan, did you reboot after changing the rule ?
[14:59] <pmcgowan> ogra_, yes
[15:00] <pmcgowan> rebooted then reinstered the devices
[15:00] <pmcgowan> netither 4 nor 10 can be accessed
[15:00] <ogra_> i suppose using sudo helps ?
[15:01] <pmcgowan> nope
[15:01] <ogra_> now thats weird
[15:01] <ogra_> definitely should
[15:01] <pmcgowan> ogra_, let me try rebooting, putting ti back etc
[15:03] <sergiusens> ogra_: mumble
[15:03] <ogra_> oops !
[15:03] <ogra_> thanks
[15:06] <pmcgowan> ogra_, seb128 so it works if I sudo adb startserver
[15:06] <pmcgowan> never had to before
[15:07] <ogra_> yeah and you shouldnt
[15:07] <ogra_> works fine for me on raring here
[15:08] <pmcgowan> ogra_, and you removed the file completely?
[15:08] <ogra_> yup
[15:08] <ogra_> nothing else
[15:08] <pmcgowan> weird
[15:08] <pmcgowan> I have no more annoying popups and managed to flash
[15:08] <pmcgowan> but not right
[15:08] <ogra_> definitely not
[19:11] <sergiusens> cyphermox: hey, I added a comment to https://code.launchpad.net/~mathieu-tl/phablet-tools/fastboot-flashing/+merge/162424
[19:22] <cyphermox> sergiusens: cool thanks
[19:45] <Simon_> Simon_London
[19:47] <Simon_> Hi All. Can I please get some advice on installing on my Nexus 4 When I attempt to install it I get the following "not enough space in /data found 2.7g" Any help would be really appriciated
[20:07] <ahkuoi> during flash of Nexus 7 on step 3 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install 3.3 Plug the device into the computer via the USB cable.  Depending on the installed Android version, a popup will show up on the device with the host key that needs to be accepted for the device to communicate with the workstation.   *this wont show up * usb debugging is on.....build is 4.2.2... any help? i want ubuntu  thanks
[20:15] <sergiusens> plars: hey, you avail for a quick test?
[20:15]  * sergiusens has no mako
[20:15] <plars> sergiusens: sure
[20:15] <tassadar_> ahkuoi: try to type in "adb devices" to the terminal and see if your nexus 7 is listed as a "device" or as "offline"
[20:16] <sergiusens> plars: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/boot_mako.img it's the boot img with the saucy kernel instead of raring
[20:16] <sergiusens> plars: just fastboot flash boot boot_mako.img
[20:16] <ahkuoi> yes it is listed
[20:17] <tassadar_> it depens what is the word after serial number - is it "device" or "offline"?
[20:17] <plars> sergiusens: sure, grabbing it now
[20:18] <ahkuoi> offline
[20:18] <sergiusens> ty
[20:18] <tassadar_> that's bad, it mean adb is not authentiticated
[20:19] <ahkuoi> oh  so what should i do
[20:19] <tassadar_> I suppose you've tried to re-plug the USB connector, right? I don't use 4.2.2, so I'm not familiar with this a lot
[20:19] <plars> sergiusens: Linux ubuntu-phablet 3.4.0-1-mako #6-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Sat May 4 00:58:12 UTC 2013 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
[20:20] <ahkuoi> yes i did it thanks for your help  "tassadar"
[20:21] <cyphermox> ahkuoi: when you do so there should be a dialog appearing on the phone to authenticate the device
[20:21] <cyphermox> ahkuoi: otherwise, you might be running an outdated version of adb
[20:21] <ahkuoi> no dialog is appearing thats the problem
[20:22] <ahkuoi> so how to get/update new version
[20:25] <plars> sergiusens: that doesn't look like the right version
[20:27] <ahkuoi> Thankyou all of you for your help. Bye
[20:28] <sergiusens> plars: from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-mako/+bug/1176255 it seems to be correct though
[20:34] <sergiusens> plars: am I correct or jetlagged? :-)
[20:39] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: ping
[20:42] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: pong
[20:42] <plars> sergiusens: shouldn't saucy be 3.9.?
[20:43] <ZDmitry> I'm just done with latest revision of plugin and app of ubuntu-terminal
[20:43] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: are there merge proposals you need reviewed?
[20:44] <ZDmitry> Yes. And that are plugin and app.
[20:46] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: ok, I'll give them a look
[20:46] <mhall119|away> thanks
[20:47] <ZDmitry> noting about
[20:47] <sergiusens> plars: for desktop perhaps ;-)
[20:47] <sergiusens> plars: this is the kernel from the android tree in an ubuntu package
[20:49] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: is the work you're doing on this konsole plugin being submitted back upstream?
[20:52] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: If You  mean my original branch - no.
[20:53] <plars> sergiusens: ah, right, this is the "saucy" android one :)
[20:54] <plars> sergiusens: anyway, boots fine, seems to be doing ok so far
[20:54] <plars> wifi works, etc
[20:54] <sergiusens> plars: great!
[20:56] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: it would be a good idea to let the konsole developers know what you're working on, and offer your code to them
[20:56] <mhall119|away> a re-usable terminal widget in QML would be useful to a number of projects, not just the ubuntu-terminal-app
[20:58] <ZDmitry> Then I'll inform them.
[21:04] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: I have some doubts about extra virtual keys which I added in ubuntu-terminal-app. They built on Button components, so label is autohiding. Can we do something with that? On small screen they has worst look than on PC.
[21:11] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: dude, this is incredible stuff
[21:12] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: ^^
[21:14] <ZDmitry> off course, it would be better to have additional layout on VKB, but we have what we have so!
[21:14] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: they're functional as-is, we can fix the look later
[21:14] <ZDmitry> that's true
[21:17] <mhall119|away> ZDmitry: if you can change the debian/changelog on ubuntu-terminal-app to http://paste.ubuntu.com/5639735/ I will approve them
[21:17] <ZDmitry> ok, wait a minute
[21:21] <mhall119|away> thanks
[21:24] <mhall119|away> thanks ZDmitry
[21:24] <mhall119|away> approved
[21:25] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away:  no problem
[22:00] <sergiusens> veebers: hey!
[22:01] <veebers> sergiusens: hello :-)
[22:02] <sergiusens> veebers: do you have the annoying mtp message on raring?
[22:02] <sergiusens> veebers: if so, what device?
[22:02] <veebers> sergiusens: yes
[22:02] <veebers> sergiusens: nexus 7
[22:02] <sergiusens> veebers: ok, can you test a build for me in a minute or so?
[22:02] <veebers> sergiusens: sure
[22:04] <sergiusens> veebers: thanks, give me a sec and I'll provide link
[22:24] <ZDmitry> mhall119|away: Jenkins waits for approval on https://code.launchpad.net/~hiroshidi/ubuntu-terminal-app/plugin-20130503/+merge/162666 to start autolanding. Latest ubuntu-terminal-app already landed and require latest plugin for proper work.
[22:35] <sergiusens> veebers: http://people.canonical.com/~sergiusens/mtp/cm-10.1-20130506-UNOFFICIAL-grouper.zip
[22:36] <sergiusens> om26er: that's an mzanetti thing, I keep it in my .ssh/config
[22:38] <veebers> sergiusens: cool, grabbing it now
[22:50] <veebers> sergiusens: ping
[23:03] <sergiusens> veebers: pong
[23:22] <veebers> sergiusens: hmm, after pushing and reboot recovery I get a blank screen. adb devices shows: ????????????	no permissions
[23:54] <sergiusens> veebers: try and restart adb