| grantbow | meeting in about 5 minutes | 01:55 |
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| grantbow | So who's here for the meeting? | 02:01 |
| eps | yo | 02:02 |
| akk | me | 02:02 |
| grantbow | ok, the floor is open. Any volunteers to help document meetings? | 02:06 |
| grantbow | :-) | 02:06 |
| eps | Don't we have a bot for that? | 02:07 |
| grantbow | not all of it | 02:08 |
| grantbow | OK, if there's nothing else we can conclude. | 02:13 |
| akk | Nice short meeting. :) | 02:14 |
| eps | Did everyone enjoy the virtual release party? | 02:14 |
| eps | (A Release Party without beer is as much fun as a UDS without omelets.) | 02:14 |
| akk | BTW, I don't think I ever got a pre-notice of this meeting. | 02:15 |
| akk | Didn't know about a virtual release party either, though I think I might have seen something from grantbow that such a thing could be organized. Maybe I'm missing mail. | 02:16 |
| grantbow | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2013-April/002206.html | 02:17 |
| darthrobot | Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Fwd: 13.04 Raring Ringtail Global Release Party] | 02:17 |
| eps | There weren't *any* physical Release Parties announced in the U.S. except in conjunction with previously-scheduled unrelated events. Other than that, the Ohio team put in the most effort: they set up a telephone conference call. | 02:18 |
| grantbow | just because there are no loco.ubuntu.com listings doesn't mean people haven't been talking about the release | 02:19 |
| akk | Yeah, I saw that one (so pleia2, not grantbow), but if that was an announcement of a virtual release party, I didn't understand it. | 02:20 |
| akk | To me that looks like "if you're having a release party, add it to that page". | 02:20 |
| grantbow | you missed your opportunities eps and akk :-) | 02:22 |
| eps | This release seems to have been viewed as rather anticlimactic. I handed out discs at a LUG meeting today. Kubuntu discs for the Unity haters. No one was interested in the mainstream. :-( | 02:22 |
| akk | I'm actually looking forward to upgrading (just haven't had time yet), but mostly because the gtk libraries fix a longstanding gimp problem. | 02:23 |
| akk | unity/kde/etc. is a nonissue for me. | 02:23 |
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| eps | In the "real world" it's everything. Mint might not exist if people weren't more intrested in image than substance. | 02:25 |
| akk | Yeah, I'd be afraid to hand a unity ubuntu disk to a windows/mac user and say "try this". Seen too many people (even ubuntu users) fumble around trying to do things. | 02:27 |
| akk | Of course, windows 8 is even worse. :) | 02:27 |
| grantbow | and then there's the productsearch.ubuntu.com feature which I think still needs to be off by default and similar things as mentioned by Micah in his article for the EFF | 02:29 |
| akk | yeah ... doesn't matter when handing it to win/mac users, but it definitely matters in the OSS community. | 02:29 |
| eps | Yeah, but at least Microsoft keeps a lid on the number of variations. Distrowatch makes the Linux community look like there's little cohesion. | 02:29 |
| eps | We might benefit from a "Linux idol" approach ... thousands of contenders get winnowed down; the top dozen of so go on tour, and the rest go home. | 02:33 |
| eps | s/of/or | 02:33 |
| akk | But it's OSS, so nobody needs to go home. If anybody wants to run a small distro, they can. | 02:33 |
| eps | I understand why "if you don't like it, fork it" is viewed as a strength of OSS, but it doesn't play in Peoria. It just looks childish. | 02:35 |
| akk | People in Peoria aren't reading distrowatch or keeping track of all the distros. | 02:36 |
| eps | The general public has a herd mentality. "I want to be in individual, just like everybody else." | 02:36 |
| eps | akk: exactly. | 02:36 |
| akk | They'll only hear about the super major ones (like Ubuntu) or whatever their friends give them. | 02:36 |
| akk | So how does it hurt anybody to have other little forked distros? | 02:36 |
| akk | I mean, I can't see taking the time to make a new distro myself, but if someone wants to ... | 02:37 |
| eps | It creates the perception that none of them are good enough. They're looking for an oligopoly, like we have with cellular carriers, broadcast TV networks, automobile manufacturers, etc. | 02:39 |
| akk | It's not like Peoria Windows users are going "gee, I'd like to upgrade to Linux but I can't decide between Ubuntu, Joeschmoenix and Cutecatnix. So I guess I'll stick with Windows." | 02:39 |
| akk | They won't even hear about the minor ones. | 02:39 |
| eps | You'd be surprised. | 02:39 |
| eps | "Linux suffers from too much fragmentation." | 02:39 |
| akk | You're saying that's a quote from some non Linux using individual in Peoria? | 02:40 |
| eps | Take a peek at what "they" are reading ... from our perspective, it's fueled by ignorance. But a lot of so-called "experts" more or less deliver the same message: if you stick with Microsoft and Apple, you don't have to burdened with choices. You don't need to compare; you don't need to think. | 02:41 |
| akk | I always read articles about Linux in the mainstream press when I see them. Though I don't see them often. | 02:44 |
| akk | When I do, usually the "experts" either say "Whahh, I tried Ubuntu and I was confused and my MS docs didn't open right" or "Gee, I tried Ubuntu and it was really usable." | 02:45 |
| eps | The general public gets excited about auto shows and gun shows. They aren't mobbing, e.g. SCALE. That's a missed opportunity for us. | 02:45 |
| akk | Auto shows and gun shows advertise heavily to the general public. | 02:46 |
| eps | Uh-huh. | 02:46 |
| akk | Also, they're usually in places where there's parking. :/ | 02:46 |
| eps | Uh-huh. | 02:47 |
| akk | Even minor shows advertise. I drive around San Jose or Burbank and I see billboards advertising HempCon or Tattoo Expo. | 02:47 |
| eps | Can we model after something a little more ... kid friendly? | 02:48 |
| akk | I've never seen a billboard or newspaper ad for SCALE. (Not that I think they should.) | 02:48 |
| akk | Well, I see billboards for the auto show, the motorcycle show, etc. too. But those are huge, everybody hears about those. | 02:49 |
| eps | Anyone else remember the Robert Austin Computer Shows in the Bay Area? We used to do installfests there. | 02:49 |
| eps | They advertised, and there was plenty of parking. | 02:49 |
| akk | Or Maker Faire -- they have a "street team" handing out flyers and putting up ads a month in advance. | 02:49 |
| akk | And OMG, it's totally mobbed. | 02:50 |
| akk | Traffic is backed up for 5 miles trying to get there. | 02:50 |
| akk | But SCALE isn't really suitable to that kind of advertising -- there's not that much there aimed at people who don't yet use Linux. | 02:51 |
| eps | Maker Faire offers a glimmer of hope. But aren't they dominated by Arduino religion? | 02:51 |
| akk | Hardly! You'll search a long time to find Arduinos at Maker Faire. | 02:51 |
| akk | It's all huge expensive fancy stuff. | 02:51 |
| eps | They're moving up in the world. Good to hear. | 02:51 |
| akk | Metal dragons that shoot flame, and metal moving winged sculptures, and art cars, and things like that. | 02:52 |
| akk | It's spectacle, for the general public, not really a place for smalltime makers to gather and share tips. | 02:53 |
| MarkDude | True | 02:53 |
| MarkDude | Its a place to find new geeks | 02:54 |
| MarkDude | Or hand out cards | 02:54 |
| akk | There don't seem to be many installfests any more, or similar outreach to help people get started with Linux. | 02:56 |
| akk | Every other year or so I hear about one at a college somewhere, for college students. | 02:57 |
| eps | Software Freedom Day. | 02:57 |
| MarkDude | SFD is awesome | 03:03 |
| * MarkDude was pushed around in his wheelchair by Courtney one year | 03:03 | |
| MarkDude | Handing out CDs | 03:04 |
| MarkDude | BTW, I once had a dream of making my own Linux Distro | 03:05 |
| MarkDude | Dudebuntu | 03:05 |
| MarkDude | So is this a meeting - or are we just sorta chatting about world domination | 03:06 |
| eps | Yes. ;-) | 03:06 |
| MarkDude | Speaking of which- is anyone else subscribed to bug#1 | 03:06 |
| MarkDude | Rather epic little flurry of emails | 03:06 |
| MarkDude | 1st made point that in China Ubuntu has market share | 03:07 |
| MarkDude | Then all of a sudden, some mktg dude sent all sorts of updates | 03:07 |
| MarkDude | Ubuntu is a fantastic community, but is is too fragmented and anarchic | 03:08 |
| MarkDude | to debug this particular bug! | 03:08 |
| MarkDude | -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. | 03:08 |
| MarkDude | Which is hella odd | 03:08 |
| eps | (Who?) | 03:08 |
| MarkDude | No idea | 03:09 |
| MarkDude | the list is not like other ML | 03:09 |
| MarkDude | so I cant just give link on it | 03:09 |
| MarkDude | Apparently bug#1 split into like 15 separate branches | 03:10 |
| MarkDude | so subribing to it - meant I am getting mails from 15 parts or so | 03:10 |
| MarkDude | Anyway, most times you can tell if its a troll or some flameout | 03:11 |
| MarkDude | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 | 03:12 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu] | 03:12 |
| MarkDude | 1802 is where Barry starts being odd | 03:12 |
| MarkDude | Before that is some good stuff- the part about China and market share. But not sure if its facts | 03:13 |
| MarkDude | And by the way - this is called "mission-type tactics": | 03:15 |
| MarkDude | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission-type_tactics | 03:15 |
| MarkDude | ;-) | 03:15 |
| MarkDude | Best regards, Martin. | 03:15 |
| darthrobot | Title: [Mission-type tactics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] | 03:15 |
| MarkDude | Ok so his stuff came thru ClubDistro, which is some Thai Ubuntu thing | 03:17 |
| * MarkDude thinks someone got hacked or some odd trolling is going on | 03:17 | |
| MarkDude | next item | 03:17 |
| MarkDude | Geeknic | 03:17 |
| MarkDude | Heather Farms | 03:18 |
| MarkDude | this month | 03:18 |
| MarkDude | Geeknic Santa Cruz- in next 2-3 months- sound good? | 03:18 |
| * eps wonders if Jono might show at Heather Farms | 03:20 | |
| MarkDude | Possible | 03:26 |
| MarkDude | With his cute kid- that can be dicey | 03:26 |
| akk | Santa Cruz sounds good, Heather Farms maybe. | 03:26 |
| MarkDude | akk- Wc is the location we can do easiest | 03:26 |
| MarkDude | I can do one this month there | 03:26 |
| MarkDude | Too hard anywhere else | 03:26 |
| akk | I understand. Just may not make it. | 03:27 |
| MarkDude | So by my thought- we let Ubuntu Cali decide other location | 03:27 |
| MarkDude | as in we have 2 of 3 months figured | 03:27 |
| MarkDude | Maybe we can use that akk center locator | 03:27 |
| MarkDude | or do the picnic at that place near Los gatos | 03:28 |
| eps | I'm going to leave you to work out the details. Just make sure whatever you decide gets announced somewhere other than Facebook. | 03:30 |
| MarkDude | Sure | 03:31 |
| * MarkDude will ask that someone else be proxy to email to Cali list | 03:31 | |
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| * MarkDude was told asking list if anyone would want free tickets for A's game was not proper use of list | 03:32 | |
| * MarkDude is one of the few that gets along with Rick - so I can focus on those lists - if you can handle sending to this list eps? | 03:33 | |
| * MarkDude wants it copacetic :) | 03:33 | |
| eps | I *never* post on the ML. | 03:33 |
| MarkDude | Courtney can do it. No stress | 03:33 |
| MarkDude | You are needed to operate bbq | 03:33 |
| * MarkDude has mesquite and cherry wood chips | 03:34 | |
| MarkDude | They go nice with rosemary for smoking | 03:34 |
| * eps suggests an "eBay" approach: offer free Ubuntu DVDs with bonus A's tickets | 03:34 | |
| MarkDude | lol | 03:35 |
| * MarkDude noticed a few people are on edge | 03:36 | |
| MarkDude | My sense of humor may not be best used at this time | 03:36 |
| MarkDude | Maybe if I would have used the Meetup group I can post with | 03:37 |
| MarkDude | Drew Ubuntu power to the People cool one | 03:37 |
| MarkDude | Drew's | 03:37 |
| * MarkDude is gonna use that for announcing a Fedora release party btw | 03:38 | |
| MarkDude | Let me see if I can review the meeting | 03:39 |
| MarkDude | Maker faire. make your own Distros. | 03:39 |
| * MarkDude is the ONLY person here subscribed to bug#1. Geeknic Santa Cruz is a go | 03:40 | |
| MarkDude | And the list can decide the other locations | 03:40 |
| MarkDude | eps, still willing to operate BBQ | 03:40 |
| MarkDude | akk, still full of common sense, and hoping more stuff happens south | 03:41 |
| * MarkDude is *still nutty* | 03:41 | |
| MarkDude | #end meeting | 03:41 |
| MarkDude | :D | 03:41 |
| eps | We wouldn't have you any other way ;-) | 03:41 |
| MarkDude | Sorry, any thing from floor 1st | 03:41 |
| MarkDude | ? | 03:41 |
| akk | eps++ | 03:42 |
| MarkDude | ;) | 03:42 |
| MarkDude | Sometimes they are windmills, mostly they are dragons | 03:42 |
| akk | It's so hard to tell the difference. | 03:43 |
| MarkDude | Yes true | 03:44 |
| akk | Anyway, everybody knows windmills are really evil Martians. http://xkcd.com/556/ | 03:44 |
| darthrobot | Title: [xkcd: Alternative Energy Revolution] | 03:44 |
| * MarkDude does know he IS chasing less windmills | 03:44 | |
| eps | fewer windmills | 03:45 |
| MarkDude | lowering my overall tilting percentage | 03:45 |
| MarkDude | And also enjoying nature more. I need to post the pics of the bluejays flying up and taking peanuts from my hand | 03:46 |
| akk | I saw a nice kingsnake on the trail today! | 03:47 |
| akk | I want to see those jay pictures, though. That sounds great. | 03:47 |
| akk | The jays here are really skittish. | 03:47 |
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| MarkDude | akk: https://plus.google.com/u/1/105095769731159704550/posts/X3F954kSJTF | 19:38 |
| darthrobot | [R: plus.google.com] Title: [Mark Terranova - Google+ - The #bluejays are casual enough to fly up and grab peanuts…] | 19:38 |
| akk | MarkDude: That's so great! Love it. | 19:39 |
| MarkDude | Using the flash is a cheat of a lazy photog | 19:40 |
| MarkDude | But it works. | 19:40 |
| MarkDude | Doing the pics I did to catch water droplets at highspeed would be better | 19:40 |
| MarkDude | Although - I would have gotten less pics :D | 19:40 |
| MarkDude | I need to name that bluejay couple, They have sooo many vocals they make | 19:41 |
| MarkDude | They like to hide inthe trees and chase off the other jay couple | 19:41 |
| akk | Using the flash makes a lot of sense for birds. | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | The are quiet to get my attention | 19:42 |
| akk | It's the only way to get good hummingbird shots. And they don't seem to mind. | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | and sorta just nod to me | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | The other couple makes noises to get paenuts | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | and that alerts the other couple | 19:42 |
| akk | We used to have squirrels that were that tame, but haven't had any like that for a few years now. | 19:42 |
| MarkDude | Their strategy of covering each other as they fly off with nuts works better than others | 19:43 |
| akk | Back then we discouraged the jays because they stole nuts from the squirrels. | 19:43 |
| MarkDude | They stash at close location | 19:43 |
| MarkDude | The smart jays know more noise = more birds | 19:44 |
| MarkDude | So they let the squirrels be | 19:44 |
| * MarkDude thinks they like chasing off the doves due to the funny noise they make | 19:44 | |
| * MarkDude wants to get a Gopro cam and make some nature movies | 19:45 | |
| akk | Wouldn't surprise me, jays having a sense of humor and playing games like that. | 19:45 |
| * MarkDude needs to go water backyard, and see which jays show up first | 19:51 | |
| MarkDude | Also trying to figure what the hummer is trying to say | 19:51 |
| MarkDude | It flies to blossoms that are almost blooming, as if to say "dont cut this down until I eat it" | 19:52 |
| * MarkDude gets a fair amount of flowers out of the garden, and that seems to annoy it | 19:52 | |
| akk | The hummers here seem to prefer the feeder to real flowers, though they visit both. | 19:53 |
| MarkDude | https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/105095769731159704550/albums/5572969802491902545/5572969938776799170 | 19:54 |
| darthrobot | [R: plus.google.com] Title: [Nature - Google+] | 19:54 |
| MarkDude | That is blooming again | 19:54 |
| MarkDude | And the hummer is excited | 19:54 |
| MarkDude | Sorta told me to leave it alone | 19:54 |
| * MarkDude assumes | 19:54 | |
| akk | We have something like that but it didn't bloom this year (or if it did, we missed it). | 19:55 |
| MarkDude | It needs a really cold spell to bloom | 19:55 |
| MarkDude | It can be put in fridge to force it I think | 19:55 |
| MarkDude | Oh the Community link on Ubuntu.com is planned for UDS :) http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning | 19:56 |
| darthrobot | [R: pad.ubuntu.com] Title: [OpenID Authentication Required] | 19:56 |
| * MarkDude hopes to have some cool pics of the flowers when they bloom | 19:56 | |
| MarkDude | Cat shut my xchat down | 20:37 |
| MarkDude | lol. They have helped me send random messages on irc before | 20:38 |
| MarkDude | And actually managed to highlight folks before using tab complete | 20:38 |
| MarkDude | tab button is right next warm fan. Laptop = warm to kitteh | 20:39 |
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