[01:55] meeting in about 5 minutes [02:01] So who's here for the meeting? [02:02] yo [02:02] me [02:06] ok, the floor is open. Any volunteers to help document meetings? [02:06] :-) [02:07] Don't we have a bot for that? [02:08] not all of it [02:13] OK, if there's nothing else we can conclude. [02:14] Nice short meeting. :) [02:14] Did everyone enjoy the virtual release party? [02:14] (A Release Party without beer is as much fun as a UDS without omelets.) [02:15] BTW, I don't think I ever got a pre-notice of this meeting. [02:16] Didn't know about a virtual release party either, though I think I might have seen something from grantbow that such a thing could be organized. Maybe I'm missing mail. [02:17] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2013-April/002206.html [02:17] Title: [[Ubuntu-US-CA] Fwd: 13.04 Raring Ringtail Global Release Party] [02:18] There weren't *any* physical Release Parties announced in the U.S. except in conjunction with previously-scheduled unrelated events. Other than that, the Ohio team put in the most effort: they set up a telephone conference call. [02:19] just because there are no loco.ubuntu.com listings doesn't mean people haven't been talking about the release [02:20] Yeah, I saw that one (so pleia2, not grantbow), but if that was an announcement of a virtual release party, I didn't understand it. [02:20] To me that looks like "if you're having a release party, add it to that page". [02:22] you missed your opportunities eps and akk :-) [02:22] This release seems to have been viewed as rather anticlimactic. I handed out discs at a LUG meeting today. Kubuntu discs for the Unity haters. No one was interested in the mainstream. :-( [02:23] I'm actually looking forward to upgrading (just haven't had time yet), but mostly because the gtk libraries fix a longstanding gimp problem. [02:23] unity/kde/etc. is a nonissue for me. === grantbow changed the topic of #ubuntu-us-ca to: Welcome to the Ubuntu California Local Community (LoCo) Team! | Website: http://ubuntu-california.org (has links to mailing list, forum, and more!) | Next Meeting: May 19th | This channel is publicly logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com | We have an unlogged channel at #ubuntu-us-ca-offtopic [02:25] In the "real world" it's everything. Mint might not exist if people weren't more intrested in image than substance. [02:27] Yeah, I'd be afraid to hand a unity ubuntu disk to a windows/mac user and say "try this". Seen too many people (even ubuntu users) fumble around trying to do things. [02:27] Of course, windows 8 is even worse. :) [02:29] and then there's the productsearch.ubuntu.com feature which I think still needs to be off by default and similar things as mentioned by Micah in his article for the EFF [02:29] yeah ... doesn't matter when handing it to win/mac users, but it definitely matters in the OSS community. [02:29] Yeah, but at least Microsoft keeps a lid on the number of variations. Distrowatch makes the Linux community look like there's little cohesion. [02:33] We might benefit from a "Linux idol" approach ... thousands of contenders get winnowed down; the top dozen of so go on tour, and the rest go home. [02:33] s/of/or [02:33] But it's OSS, so nobody needs to go home. If anybody wants to run a small distro, they can. [02:35] I understand why "if you don't like it, fork it" is viewed as a strength of OSS, but it doesn't play in Peoria. It just looks childish. [02:36] People in Peoria aren't reading distrowatch or keeping track of all the distros. [02:36] The general public has a herd mentality. "I want to be in individual, just like everybody else." [02:36] akk: exactly. [02:36] They'll only hear about the super major ones (like Ubuntu) or whatever their friends give them. [02:36] So how does it hurt anybody to have other little forked distros? [02:37] I mean, I can't see taking the time to make a new distro myself, but if someone wants to ... [02:39] It creates the perception that none of them are good enough. They're looking for an oligopoly, like we have with cellular carriers, broadcast TV networks, automobile manufacturers, etc. [02:39] It's not like Peoria Windows users are going "gee, I'd like to upgrade to Linux but I can't decide between Ubuntu, Joeschmoenix and Cutecatnix. So I guess I'll stick with Windows." [02:39] They won't even hear about the minor ones. [02:39] You'd be surprised. [02:39] "Linux suffers from too much fragmentation." [02:40] You're saying that's a quote from some non Linux using individual in Peoria? [02:41] Take a peek at what "they" are reading ... from our perspective, it's fueled by ignorance. But a lot of so-called "experts" more or less deliver the same message: if you stick with Microsoft and Apple, you don't have to burdened with choices. You don't need to compare; you don't need to think. [02:44] I always read articles about Linux in the mainstream press when I see them. Though I don't see them often. [02:45] When I do, usually the "experts" either say "Whahh, I tried Ubuntu and I was confused and my MS docs didn't open right" or "Gee, I tried Ubuntu and it was really usable." [02:45] The general public gets excited about auto shows and gun shows. They aren't mobbing, e.g. SCALE. That's a missed opportunity for us. [02:46] Auto shows and gun shows advertise heavily to the general public. [02:46] Uh-huh. [02:46] Also, they're usually in places where there's parking. :/ [02:47] Uh-huh. [02:47] Even minor shows advertise. I drive around San Jose or Burbank and I see billboards advertising HempCon or Tattoo Expo. [02:48] Can we model after something a little more ... kid friendly? [02:48] I've never seen a billboard or newspaper ad for SCALE. (Not that I think they should.) [02:49] Well, I see billboards for the auto show, the motorcycle show, etc. too. But those are huge, everybody hears about those. [02:49] Anyone else remember the Robert Austin Computer Shows in the Bay Area? We used to do installfests there. [02:49] They advertised, and there was plenty of parking. [02:49] Or Maker Faire -- they have a "street team" handing out flyers and putting up ads a month in advance. [02:50] And OMG, it's totally mobbed. [02:50] Traffic is backed up for 5 miles trying to get there. [02:51] But SCALE isn't really suitable to that kind of advertising -- there's not that much there aimed at people who don't yet use Linux. [02:51] Maker Faire offers a glimmer of hope. But aren't they dominated by Arduino religion? [02:51] Hardly! You'll search a long time to find Arduinos at Maker Faire. [02:51] It's all huge expensive fancy stuff. [02:51] They're moving up in the world. Good to hear. [02:52] Metal dragons that shoot flame, and metal moving winged sculptures, and art cars, and things like that. [02:53] It's spectacle, for the general public, not really a place for smalltime makers to gather and share tips. [02:53] True [02:54] Its a place to find new geeks [02:54] Or hand out cards [02:56] There don't seem to be many installfests any more, or similar outreach to help people get started with Linux. [02:57] Every other year or so I hear about one at a college somewhere, for college students. [02:57] Software Freedom Day. [03:03] SFD is awesome [03:03] * MarkDude was pushed around in his wheelchair by Courtney one year [03:04] Handing out CDs [03:05] BTW, I once had a dream of making my own Linux Distro [03:05] Dudebuntu [03:06] So is this a meeting - or are we just sorta chatting about world domination [03:06] Yes. ;-) [03:06] Speaking of which- is anyone else subscribed to bug#1 [03:06] Rather epic little flurry of emails [03:07] 1st made point that in China Ubuntu has market share [03:07] Then all of a sudden, some mktg dude sent all sorts of updates [03:08] Ubuntu is a fantastic community, but is is too fragmented and anarchic [03:08] to debug this particular bug! [03:08] -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. [03:08] Which is hella odd [03:08] (Who?) [03:09] No idea [03:09] the list is not like other ML [03:09] so I cant just give link on it [03:10] Apparently bug#1 split into like 15 separate branches [03:10] so subribing to it - meant I am getting mails from 15 parts or so [03:11] Anyway, most times you can tell if its a troll or some flameout [03:12] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 [03:12] Title: [Bug #1 (liberation) “Microsoft has a majority market share” : Bugs : Ubuntu] [03:12] 1802 is where Barry starts being odd [03:13] Before that is some good stuff- the part about China and market share. But not sure if its facts [03:15] And by the way - this is called "mission-type tactics": [03:15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission-type_tactics [03:15] ;-) [03:15] Best regards, Martin. [03:15] Title: [Mission-type tactics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia] [03:17] Ok so his stuff came thru ClubDistro, which is some Thai Ubuntu thing [03:17] * MarkDude thinks someone got hacked or some odd trolling is going on [03:17] next item [03:17] Geeknic [03:18] Heather Farms [03:18] this month [03:18] Geeknic Santa Cruz- in next 2-3 months- sound good? [03:20] * eps wonders if Jono might show at Heather Farms [03:26] Possible [03:26] With his cute kid- that can be dicey [03:26] Santa Cruz sounds good, Heather Farms maybe. [03:26] akk- Wc is the location we can do easiest [03:26] I can do one this month there [03:26] Too hard anywhere else [03:27] I understand. Just may not make it. [03:27] So by my thought- we let Ubuntu Cali decide other location [03:27] as in we have 2 of 3 months figured [03:27] Maybe we can use that akk center locator [03:28] or do the picnic at that place near Los gatos [03:30] I'm going to leave you to work out the details. Just make sure whatever you decide gets announced somewhere other than Facebook. [03:31] Sure [03:31] * MarkDude will ask that someone else be proxy to email to Cali list === jono is now known as Guest46625 [03:32] * MarkDude was told asking list if anyone would want free tickets for A's game was not proper use of list [03:33] * MarkDude is one of the few that gets along with Rick - so I can focus on those lists - if you can handle sending to this list eps? [03:33] * MarkDude wants it copacetic :) [03:33] I *never* post on the ML. [03:33] Courtney can do it. No stress [03:33] You are needed to operate bbq [03:34] * MarkDude has mesquite and cherry wood chips [03:34] They go nice with rosemary for smoking [03:34] * eps suggests an "eBay" approach: offer free Ubuntu DVDs with bonus A's tickets [03:35] lol [03:36] * MarkDude noticed a few people are on edge [03:36] My sense of humor may not be best used at this time [03:37] Maybe if I would have used the Meetup group I can post with [03:37] Drew Ubuntu power to the People cool one [03:37] Drew's [03:38] * MarkDude is gonna use that for announcing a Fedora release party btw [03:39] Let me see if I can review the meeting [03:39] Maker faire. make your own Distros. [03:40] * MarkDude is the ONLY person here subscribed to bug#1. Geeknic Santa Cruz is a go [03:40] And the list can decide the other locations [03:40] eps, still willing to operate BBQ [03:41] akk, still full of common sense, and hoping more stuff happens south [03:41] * MarkDude is *still nutty* [03:41] #end meeting [03:41] :D [03:41] We wouldn't have you any other way ;-) [03:41] Sorry, any thing from floor 1st [03:41] ? [03:42] eps++ [03:42] ;) [03:42] Sometimes they are windmills, mostly they are dragons [03:43] It's so hard to tell the difference. [03:44] Yes true [03:44] Anyway, everybody knows windmills are really evil Martians. http://xkcd.com/556/ [03:44] Title: [xkcd: Alternative Energy Revolution] [03:44] * MarkDude does know he IS chasing less windmills [03:45] fewer windmills [03:45] lowering my overall tilting percentage [03:46] And also enjoying nature more. I need to post the pics of the bluejays flying up and taking peanuts from my hand [03:47] I saw a nice kingsnake on the trail today! [03:47] I want to see those jay pictures, though. That sounds great. [03:47] The jays here are really skittish. === izdubar is now known as MarkDude === Adran is now known as funkiller === funkiller is now known as Adran [19:38] akk: https://plus.google.com/u/1/105095769731159704550/posts/X3F954kSJTF [19:38] [R: plus.google.com] Title: [Mark Terranova - Google+ - The #bluejays are casual enough to fly up and grab peanuts…] [19:39] MarkDude: That's so great! Love it. [19:40] Using the flash is a cheat of a lazy photog [19:40] But it works. [19:40] Doing the pics I did to catch water droplets at highspeed would be better [19:40] Although - I would have gotten less pics :D [19:41] I need to name that bluejay couple, They have sooo many vocals they make [19:41] They like to hide inthe trees and chase off the other jay couple [19:42] Using the flash makes a lot of sense for birds. [19:42] The are quiet to get my attention [19:42] It's the only way to get good hummingbird shots. And they don't seem to mind. [19:42] and sorta just nod to me [19:42] The other couple makes noises to get paenuts [19:42] and that alerts the other couple [19:42] We used to have squirrels that were that tame, but haven't had any like that for a few years now. [19:43] Their strategy of covering each other as they fly off with nuts works better than others [19:43] Back then we discouraged the jays because they stole nuts from the squirrels. [19:43] They stash at close location [19:44] The smart jays know more noise = more birds [19:44] So they let the squirrels be [19:44] * MarkDude thinks they like chasing off the doves due to the funny noise they make [19:45] * MarkDude wants to get a Gopro cam and make some nature movies [19:45] Wouldn't surprise me, jays having a sense of humor and playing games like that. [19:51] * MarkDude needs to go water backyard, and see which jays show up first [19:51] Also trying to figure what the hummer is trying to say [19:52] It flies to blossoms that are almost blooming, as if to say "dont cut this down until I eat it" [19:52] * MarkDude gets a fair amount of flowers out of the garden, and that seems to annoy it [19:53] The hummers here seem to prefer the feeder to real flowers, though they visit both. [19:54] https://plus.google.com/u/1/photos/105095769731159704550/albums/5572969802491902545/5572969938776799170 [19:54] [R: plus.google.com] Title: [Nature - Google+] [19:54] That is blooming again [19:54] And the hummer is excited [19:54] Sorta told me to leave it alone [19:54] * MarkDude assumes [19:55] We have something like that but it didn't bloom this year (or if it did, we missed it). [19:55] It needs a really cold spell to bloom [19:55] It can be put in fridge to force it I think [19:56] Oh the Community link on Ubuntu.com is planned for UDS :) http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-1305-community-1305-ubuntu-website-planning [19:56] [R: pad.ubuntu.com] Title: [OpenID Authentication Required] [19:56] * MarkDude hopes to have some cool pics of the flowers when they bloom [20:37] Cat shut my xchat down [20:38] lol. They have helped me send random messages on irc before [20:38] And actually managed to highlight folks before using tab complete [20:39] tab button is right next warm fan. Laptop = warm to kitteh === wiretapped is now known as wiretapped__