| ochosi | bluesabre: maaan, i thought i had a completely compatible version of css in greybird for both versions of lightdm. sucks to see that the menubar is partly borked now... but great work on the ppa! :) | 06:23 |
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| micahg | knome: I haven't forgotten, just been busy | 15:05 |
| knome | micahg, good good :) | 15:19 |
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| pnarciso | hello guys | 16:56 |
| knome | hello. | 16:56 |
| pnarciso | so, are guys already testing xubuntu saucy | 16:57 |
| knome | well, daily images are being built | 16:57 |
| knome | bbl -> | 16:58 |
| pnarciso | I've been away from xubuntu testing, but I have more time now and I'll be following saucy | 16:59 |
| daim2k5 | pnarciso: i will start to help | 17:00 |
| daim2k5 | pnarciso: do you test with virtualbox? or seperate pc? | 17:00 |
| pnarciso | i'm typing from a daily right now | 17:00 |
| pnarciso | pc | 17:00 |
| pnarciso | I've installed the daily through usb and everything went fine | 17:01 |
| daim2k5 | ok | 17:01 |
| daim2k5 | so i need the old pc back from my parents :D | 17:02 |
| pnarciso | right now I only have one annoying bug, which is, when I want to restart or shutdown the machine it asks me for root password | 17:02 |
| pnarciso | which is not normal behavior | 17:02 |
| daim2k5 | jep | 17:02 |
| pnarciso | is this known bug or is it just me | 17:03 |
| micahg | it should ask for an admin password if you shutdown with another user logged in | 17:03 |
| pnarciso | well there's only one user logged which is myself :) | 17:04 |
| pnarciso | so it's no normal behavior | 17:04 |
| pnarciso | could this be the result of the migration to systemd logind | 17:05 |
| micahg | idk | 17:09 |
| pnarciso | ? | 17:09 |
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| ochosi | pnarciso: what systemd/logind migration were you referring to? | 18:41 |
| ochosi | afaik ubuntu won't use systemd in the near future | 18:41 |
| pnarciso | ochosi, systemd and logind are installed in saucy | 18:48 |
| ochosi | by defaultß | 18:51 |
| ochosi | ? | 18:51 |
| lderan | that'll be cool | 18:52 |
| pnarciso | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140174 | 18:54 |
| pnarciso | it seems my theory could be right | 18:54 |
| ochosi | well it'd surprise me if they'd simply and silently scrapped upstart | 18:56 |
| ochosi | but all is possible after last cycle | 18:56 |
| pnarciso | is there any plans to improve artwork in xubuntu | 18:57 |
| * drc ducks | 18:58 | |
| ochosi | pnarciso: errm, say what? | 19:00 |
| pnarciso | improved theme, icons, wallpaper, etc | 19:01 |
| ochosi | yeah, i'm working on all of those areas (except wallpaper, knome has dibs on that) | 19:01 |
| pnarciso | good, I love greybird | 19:02 |
| ochosi | i'm currently working towards a new icon-theme addon and also tweaking some stuff in greybird, if that's what you're asking ;) | 19:02 |
| pnarciso | the only issue with it, is that title bars are a little bit small for for 2560 resolutions | 19:03 |
| pnarciso | you have a greybird small theme, so a big greybird theme could make sense | 19:03 |
| ochosi | hm, could | 19:03 |
| ochosi | you have a high density display? | 19:04 |
| pnarciso | i have a dell 27 2560x1440 | 19:04 |
| pnarciso | xubuntu by default looks very small | 19:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, there's no proper support for that resolution yet | 19:05 |
| pnarciso | I enlarged dpi and icon size, but can't do anything about title bars | 19:05 |
| pnarciso | also , i'm playing right now with compton compositor, it's great for xfce, no more tearing :) | 19:06 |
| pnarciso | and it's super lightweight | 19:06 |
| ochosi | mm, haven't tested that ever | 19:07 |
| ochosi | only recently tried gala once | 19:07 |
| pnarciso | well u don't know what u are missing | 19:07 |
| ochosi | so what does it do that xfwm4 doesn't? | 19:08 |
| pnarciso | vsync | 19:08 |
| pnarciso | and proper unredirection of fullscreen windows | 19:08 |
| pnarciso | which is great for games | 19:08 |
| pnarciso | it support opengl too | 19:08 |
| Unit193 | !info compton saucy | 19:09 |
| ubottu | 'saucy' is not a valid distribution: extras, hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, stable, testing, unstable | 19:09 |
| ochosi | hm, there was a patch for that for xfwm4, but i think it never got merged | 19:09 |
| pnarciso | that patch won't work with nvidia, and it stil had tearing in the top of the screen, compton is perfect | 19:10 |
| Unit193 | Well, anyway it isn't in the repo but it is a nice one, forked off of xcompmgr but I haven't personally used it. | 19:10 |
| pnarciso | there's a ppa for it | 19:11 |
| micahg | debian 679551 | 19:11 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 679551 in wnpp "ITP: compton -- a compositor for X" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/679551 | 19:11 |
| pnarciso | saucy is not added yet | 19:11 |
| pnarciso | I recomend compton with xfce, great combination, and the it works good along side xfwm4 | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | http://mentors.debian.net/package/compton indeed. | 19:12 |
| ochosi | is it helping at all with video-tearing? | 19:12 |
| pnarciso | yep | 19:12 |
| pnarciso | no more tearing | 19:12 |
| ochosi | hm, then i'll give it a shot | 19:12 |
| pnarciso | go here as a guide http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1148464-using-compton-for-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/ | 19:13 |
| pnarciso | I had to play a bit with the options to achieve perfect and smooth performance with my nvidia card | 19:14 |
| ochosi | right, wanna share the config then? (nvidia here too) | 19:14 |
| pnarciso | no prob | 19:15 |
| pnarciso | are you using proprietary | 19:15 |
| ochosi | yup | 19:15 |
| pnarciso | ok, first thing is to enable triple buffer in the driver | 19:15 |
| [uzver] | i'he no tearing in video playback with nvidia 319.* driver with compton on or off | 19:16 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: i don't see that option in the settings-gui, don't tell me i need to fiddle with xorg.conf | 19:16 |
| pnarciso | make a script with this options compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --glx-no-stencil --vsync opengl --glx-no-rebind-pixmap --unredir-if-possible --config ./.compton.conf -b & | 19:17 |
| pnarciso | yes, just add this line to your device options Option "TripleBuffer" "true" | 19:18 |
| [uzver] | place compton config in ~/.config/compton.conf | 19:18 |
| pnarciso | you could place the config file where you want but you must change that in the script | 19:19 |
| [uzver] | i have all startup keys in compton.conf, and start it just executin >compton | 19:20 |
| ochosi | yeah, only problem is i don't have any xorg.conf anymore | 19:21 |
| pnarciso | just type sudo nvidia-xconfig and it generates one | 19:21 |
| ochosi | and i'm not sure i want one, because i'm constantly switching between my external monitor and internal laptop monitor setups | 19:21 |
| ochosi | i remember getting that setup was tedious back in the xorg.conf days | 19:21 |
| pnarciso | that xorg file won't mess with that | 19:22 |
| pnarciso | nvidia drivers improved a lot | 19:22 |
| pnarciso | but you could test compton without messing with xorg, but in my testing I have found that triple buffer improves the performance with vsync | 19:23 |
| pnarciso | and not only with compton, with everything, because without it, framerate could flucuate from 60 to 30 | 19:24 |
| ochosi | so what's in your compton.conf? (pastebin?) | 19:25 |
| ochosi | also, is there a --replace option i can add to replace xfwm4 in the running session or am i expected to kill it off by hand? | 19:25 |
| pnarciso | the only thing you do is to disable xfwm4 compositor and run the script | 19:26 |
| pnarciso | comton wont replace xfwm4 it only add composition | 19:27 |
| ochosi | seems the config file isn't autogenerated | 19:27 |
| pnarciso | no but you could use the sugestion in the site above | 19:28 |
| ochosi | k, thought you had tweaked that already to resemble greybird's shadow delta and everything ;) | 19:28 |
| pnarciso | the shadow radius and other stuff you tweak it to you liking | 19:29 |
| ochosi | why is firefox amongst the shadow-excludes? | 19:29 |
| knome | allö | 19:30 |
| pnarciso | I think the guy who wrote the guide dont like the shadow in firefox download notification so it added firefox, but you can remove it | 19:31 |
| ochosi | hm, not good, the notifications are now 100% not transparent :/ | 19:31 |
| ochosi | also seems the "hide content of windows when moving" option of xfwm4 doesn't work with compton | 19:32 |
| ochosi | guess i have to restart to let that xorg.conf take effect... | 19:32 |
| pnarciso | yes, some things are not working | 19:32 |
| [uzver] | logout, to restart X | 19:33 |
| pnarciso | or it takes a little bit of tweaking | 19:33 |
| ochosi | brb | 19:33 |
| pnarciso | ok | 19:33 |
| ochosi | hm, feels quite smooth so far | 19:36 |
| ochosi | at least the window-fading and everythin | 19:36 |
| pnarciso | :) | 19:36 |
| ochosi | hm, resizing isn't that smooth | 19:37 |
| pnarciso | so, what do you think | 19:40 |
| ochosi | video-playback with mplayer2 regressed, while with vlc it seems better than before | 19:40 |
| ochosi | definitely worth a try though | 19:41 |
| pnarciso | regressed in what way | 19:41 |
| ochosi | it's stuttering | 19:41 |
| pnarciso | play with the video backends | 19:42 |
| ochosi | you mean in mplayer2? | 19:43 |
| pnarciso | I mean changing to opengl, vdpau, etc | 19:44 |
| pnarciso | parole works good with compton also | 19:44 |
| ochosi | window-movement is totally smooth, really curious that resizing works so badly | 19:45 |
| pnarciso | well, have you haver tried resizing with compiz? It's terrible, that because when you resize only a square appears | 19:45 |
| knome | compiz isn't really the compositor for any comparisons... | 19:46 |
| pnarciso | just found a minor thing with parole, when fullscreen the volume button is dark and the rest of the controls are blue | 19:46 |
| ochosi | pnarciso: yeah, we're working towards resolving that | 19:47 |
| ochosi | probably not in parole 0.5.1, but it's planned | 19:47 |
| pnarciso | well for now compton is replacing xfwm 4 compositor, it has more advantages | 19:48 |
| knome | exactly - if something is supposed to be super smooth, i wouldn't set compiz as the comparison point ;) | 19:48 |
| pnarciso | alsa resizing speed is not that bad, i only have issues with resizing in steam client | 19:49 |
| pnarciso | other apps seems to resize with good speed | 19:50 |
| lderan | poor compiz :P | 19:52 |
| pnarciso | compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR with doomed to dissapear | 19:54 |
| pnarciso | compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR it's doomed to dissapear | 19:54 |
| ochosi | i like compton so far, it seems to be a bit buggy though: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05062013-095440pm.php | 19:54 |
| ochosi | (happens after resizing the temrinal a bit) | 19:55 |
| knome | ochosi, it's still Kaurismäki, not Kaurismäkki | 19:55 |
| knome | ;> | 19:55 |
| ochosi | hehe, yeah, probably wasn't me who named it that way ;) | 19:56 |
| pnarciso | what's wrong with your pic | 19:57 |
| ochosi | look at the broken lines in the terminal | 19:57 |
| pnarciso | sorry can't see what's wrong lol | 19:58 |
| pnarciso | what lines? | 19:59 |
| ochosi | ah, nvm | 19:59 |
| ochosi | i'll test compton for a longer period, otherwise it's hard to say anything anyway | 19:59 |
| pnarciso | it could be a nice adition to xubuntu :) | 20:03 |
| ochosi | possible, would need quite a bit of testing on different hardware/setups though | 20:11 |
| pnarciso | compton can use xrender and opengl backend, so it works on all machines | 20:23 |
| ochosi | yeah, but we'd have to test it against xfwm4 on "all" machines for a serious comparison | 20:24 |
| ochosi | first step would be to get it into the ubuntu repos imo | 20:24 |
| ochosi | then it's easier for people to test it | 20:24 |
| ochosi | then we could post an article describing how to set it up and see how people respond | 20:25 |
| pnarciso | the ideal solution is xfce devs to take compton code and merge it with xfwm4 | 20:26 |
| ochosi | not really, i think the ideal solution is a real patch that solves the tearing in xfwm4 | 20:27 |
| pnarciso | xfce seems dead, devs missed released date and no news from them | 20:27 |
| ochosi | there was a 4.10.1 maintenance release just a day ago | 20:28 |
| ochosi | including a new release of thunar etc | 20:28 |
| pnarciso | they could use some of the compton code and use it in xfwm4 | 20:28 |
| pnarciso | to add opengl in xfwm4 | 20:28 |
| pnarciso | without it it's not possible have proper vsync | 20:29 |
| pnarciso | but any news about 4.12 | 20:32 |
| ochosi | guess the motto is "release when ready" | 20:32 |
| ochosi | there's a ppa with some 4.12 components for Quantal (and I think raring too) | 20:33 |
| pnarciso | they could at least give the a preview of what is new | 20:33 |
| pnarciso | raring have all of them by default | 20:34 |
| pnarciso | and saucy | 20:34 |
| micahg | with an LTS coming within a year, we won't push in 4.12 unless we're sure we can stabilize it in time | 21:04 |
| ochosi | i guess much depends on when 4.12 is actually released | 21:06 |
| skellat | 4.12 is still stuck at an early stage the last time I checked | 21:07 |
| Noskcaj | new bug: clicking new partition table make a new table whether or not you click "confirm" | 21:12 |
| ochosi | skellat: depends on what you're checking. the roadmap isn't very accurate | 21:13 |
| skellat | ochosi: Alrighty | 21:13 |
| Noskcaj | is the bug in partman or ubiquity? it happens when you click the X | 21:14 |
| ochosi | skellat: it's not great, but this seems to be the best way to track the progress of 4.12: http://git.xfce.org/?s=idle | 21:15 |
| Noskcaj | Why does everything in the installer have a maximise button which doesn't always work? | 21:24 |
| Noskcaj | \ | 21:24 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: you're referring to ubiquity? | 21:31 |
| ochosi | in the ubiquity standalone-session or in the xubuntu-live session? | 21:32 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, stand alone | 21:41 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: so does it show the maximize button in all of the slides? | 21:42 |
| Noskcaj | ochosi, i think so, only just noticed | 21:43 |
| ochosi | i guess ubiquity should be setting some wm_hints then | 21:43 |
| ochosi | xnox: ^ ? | 21:43 |
| ochosi | Noskcaj: anyway, feel free to file a bugreport about it | 21:44 |
| ochosi | g2g | 21:44 |
| Noskcaj | ok, ty. bye | 21:44 |
| Noskcaj | bug 1177115 bug 1177116 | 22:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1177115 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "New partition table confirmation is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177115 | 22:19 |
| ubottu | bug 1177116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "maximise button does nothing in Ubiquity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177116 | 22:19 |
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