[06:23] bluesabre: maaan, i thought i had a completely compatible version of css in greybird for both versions of lightdm. sucks to see that the menubar is partly borked now... but great work on the ppa! :) === soren_ is now known as soren === melancht1on is now known as melanchthon === jhenke_ is now known as jhenke === jhenke is now known as jhenke_ === jhenke_ is now known as jhenke|away === jhenke|away is now known as jhenke [15:05] knome: I haven't forgotten, just been busy [15:19] micahg, good good :) === kurapika is now known as Mr_Peignoir [16:56] hello guys [16:56] hello. [16:57] so, are guys already testing xubuntu saucy [16:57] well, daily images are being built [16:58] bbl -> [16:59] I've been away from xubuntu testing, but I have more time now and I'll be following saucy [17:00] pnarciso: i will start to help [17:00] pnarciso: do you test with virtualbox? or seperate pc? [17:00] i'm typing from a daily right now [17:00] pc [17:01] I've installed the daily through usb and everything went fine [17:01] ok [17:02] so i need the old pc back from my parents :D [17:02] right now I only have one annoying bug, which is, when I want to restart or shutdown the machine it asks me for root password [17:02] which is not normal behavior [17:02] jep [17:03] is this known bug or is it just me [17:03] it should ask for an admin password if you shutdown with another user logged in [17:04] well there's only one user logged which is myself :) [17:04] so it's no normal behavior [17:05] could this be the result of the migration to systemd logind [17:09] idk [17:09] ? === paulo_ is now known as pnarciso [18:41] pnarciso: what systemd/logind migration were you referring to? [18:41] afaik ubuntu won't use systemd in the near future [18:48] ochosi, systemd and logind are installed in saucy [18:51] by defaultß [18:51] ? [18:52] that'll be cool [18:54] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140174 [18:54] it seems my theory could be right [18:56] well it'd surprise me if they'd simply and silently scrapped upstart [18:56] but all is possible after last cycle [18:57] is there any plans to improve artwork in xubuntu [18:58] * drc ducks [19:00] pnarciso: errm, say what? [19:01] improved theme, icons, wallpaper, etc [19:01] yeah, i'm working on all of those areas (except wallpaper, knome has dibs on that) [19:02] good, I love greybird [19:02] i'm currently working towards a new icon-theme addon and also tweaking some stuff in greybird, if that's what you're asking ;) [19:03] the only issue with it, is that title bars are a little bit small for for 2560 resolutions [19:03] you have a greybird small theme, so a big greybird theme could make sense [19:03] hm, could [19:04] you have a high density display? [19:04] i have a dell 27 2560x1440 [19:04] xubuntu by default looks very small [19:05] yeah, there's no proper support for that resolution yet [19:05] I enlarged dpi and icon size, but can't do anything about title bars [19:06] also , i'm playing right now with compton compositor, it's great for xfce, no more tearing :) [19:06] and it's super lightweight [19:07] mm, haven't tested that ever [19:07] only recently tried gala once [19:07] well u don't know what u are missing [19:08] so what does it do that xfwm4 doesn't? [19:08] vsync [19:08] and proper unredirection of fullscreen windows [19:08] which is great for games [19:08] it support opengl too [19:09] !info compton saucy [19:09] 'saucy' is not a valid distribution: extras, hardy, hardy-backports, hardy-proposed, kubuntu-backports, kubuntu-experimental, kubuntu-updates, lucid, lucid-backports, lucid-proposed, medibuntu, oneiric, oneiric-backports, oneiric-proposed, partner, precise, precise-backports, precise-proposed, quantal, quantal-backports, quantal-proposed, raring, raring-backports, raring-proposed, stable, testing, unstable [19:09] hm, there was a patch for that for xfwm4, but i think it never got merged [19:10] that patch won't work with nvidia, and it stil had tearing in the top of the screen, compton is perfect [19:10] Well, anyway it isn't in the repo but it is a nice one, forked off of xcompmgr but I haven't personally used it. [19:11] there's a ppa for it [19:11] debian 679551 [19:11] Debian bug 679551 in wnpp "ITP: compton -- a compositor for X" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/679551 [19:11] saucy is not added yet [19:12] I recomend compton with xfce, great combination, and the it works good along side xfwm4 [19:12] http://mentors.debian.net/package/compton indeed. [19:12] is it helping at all with video-tearing? [19:12] yep [19:12] no more tearing [19:12] hm, then i'll give it a shot [19:13] go here as a guide http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1148464-using-compton-for-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/ [19:14] I had to play a bit with the options to achieve perfect and smooth performance with my nvidia card [19:14] right, wanna share the config then? (nvidia here too) [19:15] no prob [19:15] are you using proprietary [19:15] yup [19:15] ok, first thing is to enable triple buffer in the driver [19:16] <[uzver]> i'he no tearing in video playback with nvidia 319.* driver with compton on or off [19:16] pnarciso: i don't see that option in the settings-gui, don't tell me i need to fiddle with xorg.conf [19:17] make a script with this options compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --glx-no-stencil --vsync opengl --glx-no-rebind-pixmap --unredir-if-possible --config ./.compton.conf -b & [19:18] yes, just add this line to your device options Option "TripleBuffer" "true" [19:18] <[uzver]> place compton config in ~/.config/compton.conf [19:19] you could place the config file where you want but you must change that in the script [19:20] <[uzver]> i have all startup keys in compton.conf, and start it just executin >compton [19:21] yeah, only problem is i don't have any xorg.conf anymore [19:21] just type sudo nvidia-xconfig and it generates one [19:21] and i'm not sure i want one, because i'm constantly switching between my external monitor and internal laptop monitor setups [19:21] i remember getting that setup was tedious back in the xorg.conf days [19:22] that xorg file won't mess with that [19:22] nvidia drivers improved a lot [19:23] but you could test compton without messing with xorg, but in my testing I have found that triple buffer improves the performance with vsync [19:24] and not only with compton, with everything, because without it, framerate could flucuate from 60 to 30 [19:25] so what's in your compton.conf? (pastebin?) [19:25] also, is there a --replace option i can add to replace xfwm4 in the running session or am i expected to kill it off by hand? [19:26] the only thing you do is to disable xfwm4 compositor and run the script [19:27] comton wont replace xfwm4 it only add composition [19:27] seems the config file isn't autogenerated [19:28] no but you could use the sugestion in the site above [19:28] k, thought you had tweaked that already to resemble greybird's shadow delta and everything ;) [19:29] the shadow radius and other stuff you tweak it to you liking [19:29] why is firefox amongst the shadow-excludes? [19:30] allö [19:31] I think the guy who wrote the guide dont like the shadow in firefox download notification so it added firefox, but you can remove it [19:31] hm, not good, the notifications are now 100% not transparent :/ [19:32] also seems the "hide content of windows when moving" option of xfwm4 doesn't work with compton [19:32] guess i have to restart to let that xorg.conf take effect... [19:32] yes, some things are not working [19:33] <[uzver]> logout, to restart X [19:33] or it takes a little bit of tweaking [19:33] brb [19:33] ok [19:36] hm, feels quite smooth so far [19:36] at least the window-fading and everythin [19:36] :) [19:37] hm, resizing isn't that smooth [19:40] so, what do you think [19:40] video-playback with mplayer2 regressed, while with vlc it seems better than before [19:41] definitely worth a try though [19:41] regressed in what way [19:41] it's stuttering [19:42] play with the video backends [19:43] you mean in mplayer2? [19:44] I mean changing to opengl, vdpau, etc [19:44] parole works good with compton also [19:45] window-movement is totally smooth, really curious that resizing works so badly [19:45] well, have you haver tried resizing with compiz? It's terrible, that because when you resize only a square appears [19:46] compiz isn't really the compositor for any comparisons... [19:46] just found a minor thing with parole, when fullscreen the volume button is dark and the rest of the controls are blue [19:47] pnarciso: yeah, we're working towards resolving that [19:47] probably not in parole 0.5.1, but it's planned [19:48] well for now compton is replacing xfwm 4 compositor, it has more advantages [19:48] exactly - if something is supposed to be super smooth, i wouldn't set compiz as the comparison point ;) [19:49] alsa resizing speed is not that bad, i only have issues with resizing in steam client [19:50] other apps seems to resize with good speed [19:52] poor compiz :P [19:54] compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR with doomed to dissapear [19:54] compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR it's doomed to dissapear [19:54] i like compton so far, it seems to be a bit buggy though: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05062013-095440pm.php [19:55] (happens after resizing the temrinal a bit) [19:55] ochosi, it's still Kaurismäki, not Kaurismäkki [19:55] ;> [19:56] hehe, yeah, probably wasn't me who named it that way ;) [19:57] what's wrong with your pic [19:57] look at the broken lines in the terminal [19:58] sorry can't see what's wrong lol [19:59] what lines? [19:59] ah, nvm [19:59] i'll test compton for a longer period, otherwise it's hard to say anything anyway [20:03] it could be a nice adition to xubuntu :) [20:11] possible, would need quite a bit of testing on different hardware/setups though [20:23] compton can use xrender and opengl backend, so it works on all machines [20:24] yeah, but we'd have to test it against xfwm4 on "all" machines for a serious comparison [20:24] first step would be to get it into the ubuntu repos imo [20:24] then it's easier for people to test it [20:25] then we could post an article describing how to set it up and see how people respond [20:26] the ideal solution is xfce devs to take compton code and merge it with xfwm4 [20:27] not really, i think the ideal solution is a real patch that solves the tearing in xfwm4 [20:27] xfce seems dead, devs missed released date and no news from them [20:28] there was a 4.10.1 maintenance release just a day ago [20:28] including a new release of thunar etc [20:28] they could use some of the compton code and use it in xfwm4 [20:28] to add opengl in xfwm4 [20:29] without it it's not possible have proper vsync [20:32] but any news about 4.12 [20:32] guess the motto is "release when ready" [20:33] there's a ppa with some 4.12 components for Quantal (and I think raring too) [20:33] they could at least give the a preview of what is new [20:34] raring have all of them by default [20:34] and saucy [21:04] with an LTS coming within a year, we won't push in 4.12 unless we're sure we can stabilize it in time [21:06] i guess much depends on when 4.12 is actually released [21:07] 4.12 is still stuck at an early stage the last time I checked [21:12] new bug: clicking new partition table make a new table whether or not you click "confirm" [21:13] skellat: depends on what you're checking. the roadmap isn't very accurate [21:13] ochosi: Alrighty [21:14] is the bug in partman or ubiquity? it happens when you click the X [21:15] skellat: it's not great, but this seems to be the best way to track the progress of 4.12: http://git.xfce.org/?s=idle [21:24] Why does everything in the installer have a maximise button which doesn't always work? [21:24] \ [21:31] Noskcaj: you're referring to ubiquity? [21:32] in the ubiquity standalone-session or in the xubuntu-live session? [21:41] ochosi, stand alone [21:42] Noskcaj: so does it show the maximize button in all of the slides? [21:43] ochosi, i think so, only just noticed [21:43] i guess ubiquity should be setting some wm_hints then [21:43] xnox: ^ ? [21:44] Noskcaj: anyway, feel free to file a bugreport about it [21:44] g2g [21:44] ok, ty. bye [22:19] bug 1177115 bug 1177116 [22:19] bug 1177115 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "New partition table confirmation is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177115 [22:19] bug 1177116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "maximise button does nothing in Ubiquity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177116