[06:23] <ochosi> bluesabre: maaan, i thought i had a completely compatible version of css in greybird for both versions of lightdm. sucks to see that the menubar is partly borked now... but great work on the ppa! :)
[15:05] <micahg> knome: I haven't forgotten, just been busy
[15:19] <knome> micahg, good good :)
[16:56] <pnarciso> hello guys
[16:56] <knome> hello.
[16:57] <pnarciso> so, are guys already testing xubuntu saucy
[16:57] <knome> well, daily images are being built
[16:58] <knome> bbl ->
[16:59] <pnarciso> I've been away from xubuntu testing, but I have more time now and I'll be following saucy
[17:00] <daim2k5> pnarciso: i will start to help
[17:00] <daim2k5> pnarciso: do you test with virtualbox? or seperate pc?
[17:00] <pnarciso> i'm typing from a daily right now
[17:00] <pnarciso> pc
[17:01] <pnarciso> I've installed the daily through usb and everything went fine
[17:01] <daim2k5> ok
[17:02] <daim2k5> so i need the old pc back from my parents :D
[17:02] <pnarciso> right now I only have one annoying bug, which is, when I want to restart or shutdown the machine it asks me for root password
[17:02] <pnarciso> which is not normal behavior
[17:02] <daim2k5> jep
[17:03] <pnarciso> is this known bug or is it just me
[17:03] <micahg> it should ask for an admin password if you shutdown with another user logged in
[17:04] <pnarciso> well there's only one user logged which is myself :)
[17:04] <pnarciso> so it's no normal behavior
[17:05] <pnarciso> could this be the result of the migration to systemd logind
[17:09] <micahg> idk
[17:09] <pnarciso> ?
[18:41] <ochosi> pnarciso: what systemd/logind migration were you referring to?
[18:41] <ochosi> afaik ubuntu won't use systemd in the near future
[18:48] <pnarciso> ochosi, systemd and logind are installed in saucy
[18:51] <ochosi> by defaultß
[18:51] <ochosi> ?
[18:52] <lderan> that'll be cool
[18:54] <pnarciso> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2140174
[18:54] <pnarciso> it seems my theory could be right
[18:56] <ochosi> well it'd surprise me if they'd simply and silently scrapped upstart
[18:56] <ochosi> but all is possible after last cycle
[18:57] <pnarciso> is there any plans to improve artwork in xubuntu
[18:58]  * drc ducks
[19:00] <ochosi> pnarciso: errm, say what?
[19:01] <pnarciso> improved theme, icons, wallpaper, etc
[19:01] <ochosi> yeah, i'm working on all of those areas (except wallpaper, knome has dibs on that)
[19:02] <pnarciso> good, I love greybird
[19:02] <ochosi> i'm currently working towards a new icon-theme addon and also tweaking some stuff in greybird, if that's what you're asking ;)
[19:03] <pnarciso> the only issue with it, is that title bars are a little bit small for for 2560 resolutions
[19:03] <pnarciso> you have a greybird small theme, so a big greybird theme could make sense
[19:03] <ochosi> hm, could
[19:04] <ochosi> you have a high density display?
[19:04] <pnarciso> i have a dell 27 2560x1440
[19:04] <pnarciso> xubuntu by default looks very small
[19:05] <ochosi> yeah, there's no proper support for that resolution yet
[19:05] <pnarciso> I enlarged dpi and icon size, but can't do anything about title bars
[19:06] <pnarciso> also , i'm playing right now with compton compositor, it's great for xfce, no more tearing :)
[19:06] <pnarciso> and it's super lightweight
[19:07] <ochosi> mm, haven't tested that ever
[19:07] <ochosi> only recently tried gala once
[19:07] <pnarciso> well u don't know what u are missing
[19:08] <ochosi> so what does it do that xfwm4 doesn't?
[19:08] <pnarciso> vsync
[19:08] <pnarciso> and proper unredirection of fullscreen windows
[19:08] <pnarciso> which is great for games
[19:08] <pnarciso> it support opengl too
[19:09] <Unit193> !info compton saucy
[19:09] <ochosi> hm, there was a patch for that for xfwm4, but i think it never got merged
[19:10] <pnarciso> that patch won't work with nvidia, and it stil had tearing in the top of the screen, compton is perfect
[19:10] <Unit193> Well, anyway it isn't in the repo but it is a nice one, forked off of xcompmgr but I haven't personally used it.
[19:11] <pnarciso> there's a ppa for it
[19:11] <micahg> debian 679551
[19:11] <pnarciso> saucy is not added yet
[19:12] <pnarciso> I recomend compton with xfce, great combination, and the it works good along side xfwm4
[19:12] <Unit193> http://mentors.debian.net/package/compton indeed.
[19:12] <ochosi> is it helping at all with video-tearing?
[19:12] <pnarciso> yep
[19:12] <pnarciso> no more tearing
[19:12] <ochosi> hm, then i'll give it a shot
[19:13] <pnarciso> go here as a guide http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1148464-using-compton-for-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/
[19:14] <pnarciso> I had to play a bit with the options to achieve perfect and smooth performance with my nvidia card
[19:14] <ochosi> right, wanna share the config then? (nvidia here too)
[19:15] <pnarciso> no prob
[19:15] <pnarciso> are you using proprietary
[19:15] <ochosi> yup
[19:15] <pnarciso> ok, first thing is to enable triple buffer in the driver
[19:16] <[uzver]> i'he no tearing in video playback with nvidia 319.* driver with compton on or off
[19:16] <ochosi> pnarciso: i don't see that option in the settings-gui, don't tell me i need to fiddle with xorg.conf
[19:17] <pnarciso> make a script with this options compton --backend glx --paint-on-overlay --glx-no-stencil --vsync opengl --glx-no-rebind-pixmap --unredir-if-possible --config ./.compton.conf -b &
[19:18] <pnarciso> yes, just add this line to your device options Option "TripleBuffer" "true"
[19:18] <[uzver]> place compton config in ~/.config/compton.conf
[19:19] <pnarciso> you could place the config file where you want but you must change that in the script
[19:20] <[uzver]> i have all startup keys in compton.conf, and start it just executin >compton
[19:21] <ochosi> yeah, only problem is i don't have any xorg.conf anymore
[19:21] <pnarciso> just type sudo nvidia-xconfig and it generates one
[19:21] <ochosi> and i'm not sure i want one, because i'm constantly switching between my external monitor and internal laptop monitor setups
[19:21] <ochosi> i remember getting that setup was tedious back in the xorg.conf days
[19:22] <pnarciso> that xorg file won't mess with that
[19:22] <pnarciso> nvidia drivers improved a lot
[19:23] <pnarciso> but you could test compton without messing with xorg, but in my testing I have found that triple buffer improves the performance with vsync
[19:24] <pnarciso> and not only with compton, with everything, because without it, framerate could flucuate from 60 to 30
[19:25] <ochosi> so what's in your compton.conf? (pastebin?)
[19:25] <ochosi> also, is there a --replace option i can add to replace xfwm4 in the running session or am i expected to kill it off by hand?
[19:26] <pnarciso> the only thing you do is to disable xfwm4 compositor and run the script
[19:27] <pnarciso> comton wont replace xfwm4 it only add composition
[19:27] <ochosi> seems the config file isn't autogenerated
[19:28] <pnarciso> no but you could use the sugestion in the site above
[19:28] <ochosi> k, thought you had tweaked that already to resemble greybird's shadow delta and everything ;)
[19:29] <pnarciso> the shadow radius and other stuff you tweak it to you liking
[19:29] <ochosi> why is firefox amongst the shadow-excludes?
[19:30] <knome> allö
[19:31] <pnarciso> I think the guy who wrote the guide dont like the shadow in firefox download notification so it added firefox, but you can remove it
[19:31] <ochosi> hm, not good, the notifications are now 100% not transparent :/
[19:32] <ochosi> also seems the "hide content of windows when moving" option of xfwm4 doesn't work with compton
[19:32] <ochosi> guess i have to restart to let that xorg.conf take effect...
[19:32] <pnarciso> yes, some things are not working
[19:33] <[uzver]> logout, to restart X
[19:33] <pnarciso> or it takes a little bit of tweaking
[19:33] <ochosi> brb
[19:33] <pnarciso> ok
[19:36] <ochosi> hm, feels quite smooth so far
[19:36] <ochosi> at least the window-fading and everythin
[19:36] <pnarciso> :)
[19:37] <ochosi> hm, resizing isn't that smooth
[19:40] <pnarciso> so, what do you think
[19:40] <ochosi> video-playback with mplayer2 regressed, while with vlc it seems better than before
[19:41] <ochosi> definitely worth a try though
[19:41] <pnarciso> regressed in what way
[19:41] <ochosi> it's stuttering
[19:42] <pnarciso> play with the video backends
[19:43] <ochosi> you mean in mplayer2?
[19:44] <pnarciso> I mean changing to opengl, vdpau, etc
[19:44] <pnarciso> parole works good with compton also
[19:45] <ochosi> window-movement is totally smooth, really curious that resizing works so badly
[19:45] <pnarciso> well, have you haver tried resizing with compiz? It's terrible, that because when you resize only a square appears
[19:46] <knome> compiz isn't really the compositor for any comparisons...
[19:46] <pnarciso> just found a minor thing with parole, when fullscreen the volume button is dark and the rest of the controls are blue
[19:47] <ochosi> pnarciso: yeah, we're working towards resolving that
[19:47] <ochosi> probably not in parole 0.5.1, but it's planned
[19:48] <pnarciso> well for now compton is replacing xfwm 4 compositor, it has more advantages 
[19:48] <knome> exactly - if something is supposed to be super smooth, i wouldn't set compiz as the comparison point ;)
[19:49] <pnarciso> alsa resizing speed is not that bad, i only have issues with resizing in steam client
[19:50] <pnarciso> other apps seems to resize with good speed
[19:52] <lderan> poor compiz :P
[19:54] <pnarciso> compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR with doomed to dissapear
[19:54] <pnarciso> compiz only started to perform good in 13.04, but with MIR it's doomed to dissapear
[19:54] <ochosi> i like compton so far, it seems to be a bit buggy though: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05062013-095440pm.php
[19:55] <ochosi> (happens after resizing the temrinal a bit)
[19:55] <knome> ochosi, it's still Kaurismäki, not Kaurismäkki
[19:55] <knome>  ;>
[19:56] <ochosi> hehe, yeah, probably wasn't me who named it that way ;)
[19:57] <pnarciso> what's wrong with your pic
[19:57] <ochosi> look at the broken lines in the terminal
[19:58] <pnarciso> sorry can't see what's wrong lol
[19:59] <pnarciso> what lines?
[19:59] <ochosi> ah, nvm
[19:59] <ochosi> i'll test compton for a longer period, otherwise it's hard to say anything anyway
[20:03] <pnarciso> it could be a nice adition to xubuntu :)
[20:11] <ochosi> possible, would need quite a bit of testing on different hardware/setups though
[20:23] <pnarciso> compton can use xrender and opengl backend, so it works on all machines
[20:24] <ochosi> yeah, but we'd have to test it against xfwm4 on "all" machines for a serious comparison
[20:24] <ochosi> first step would be to get it into the ubuntu repos imo
[20:24] <ochosi> then it's easier for people to test it
[20:25] <ochosi> then we could post an article describing how to set it up and see how people respond
[20:26] <pnarciso> the ideal solution is xfce devs to take compton code and merge it with xfwm4
[20:27] <ochosi> not really, i think the ideal solution is a real patch that solves the tearing in xfwm4
[20:27] <pnarciso> xfce seems dead, devs missed released date and no news from them
[20:28] <ochosi> there was a 4.10.1 maintenance release just a day ago
[20:28] <ochosi> including a new release of thunar etc
[20:28] <pnarciso> they could use some of the compton code and use it in xfwm4
[20:28] <pnarciso> to add opengl in xfwm4
[20:29] <pnarciso> without it it's not possible have proper vsync
[20:32] <pnarciso> but any news about 4.12
[20:32] <ochosi> guess the motto is "release when ready"
[20:33] <ochosi> there's a ppa with some 4.12 components for Quantal (and I think raring too)
[20:33] <pnarciso> they could at least give the a preview of what is new
[20:34] <pnarciso> raring have all of them by default
[20:34] <pnarciso> and saucy
[21:04] <micahg> with an LTS coming within a year, we won't push in 4.12 unless we're sure we can stabilize it in time
[21:06] <ochosi> i guess much depends on when 4.12 is actually released
[21:07] <skellat> 4.12 is still stuck at an early stage the last time I checked
[21:12] <Noskcaj> new bug: clicking new partition table make a new table whether or not you click "confirm"
[21:13] <ochosi> skellat: depends on what you're checking. the roadmap isn't very accurate
[21:13] <skellat> ochosi: Alrighty
[21:14] <Noskcaj> is the bug in partman or ubiquity? it happens when you click the X
[21:15] <ochosi> skellat: it's not great, but this seems to be the best way to track the progress of 4.12: http://git.xfce.org/?s=idle
[21:24] <Noskcaj> Why does everything in the installer have a maximise button which doesn't always work?
[21:24] <Noskcaj> \
[21:31] <ochosi> Noskcaj: you're referring to ubiquity?
[21:32] <ochosi> in the ubiquity standalone-session or in the xubuntu-live session?
[21:41] <Noskcaj> ochosi, stand alone
[21:42] <ochosi> Noskcaj: so does it show the maximize button in all of the slides?
[21:43] <Noskcaj> ochosi, i think so, only just noticed
[21:43] <ochosi> i guess ubiquity should be setting some wm_hints then
[21:43] <ochosi> xnox: ^ ?
[21:44] <ochosi> Noskcaj: anyway, feel free to file a bugreport about it
[21:44] <ochosi> g2g
[21:44] <Noskcaj> ok, ty. bye
[22:19] <Noskcaj> bug 1177115 bug 1177116