[12:37] <jml> what's the command that deletes files that haven't been bzr added?
[13:13] <vila> jml: clean-tree ? But read the help for caveats
[13:13] <jml> vila: thanks.
[17:55] <LeoNerd> If I have a machine with an old version of bzr, can I push in such a way as to create a format old enough it can read?
[17:55] <LeoNerd> It's 1.5
[17:58] <SamB> LeoNerd: hmm ...
[18:02] <SamB> LeoNerd: I can't see how to specify rich-root in current versions of bzr; I guess you could try creating the branch using the old version?
[18:02] <LeoNerd> I wonder if I can downgrade a push of it to pack-0.92
[18:03] <LeoNerd> Hrm.. :/
[18:03] <LeoNerd> No, complains about rich-root
[18:03] <LeoNerd> I wonder if it'd be easier to sshfs mount the server and not have to run bzr remotely
[18:04] <SamB> LeoNerd: try upgrading the branch to use rich-root?
[18:04] <LeoNerd> The branch is using rich-root. It complains it can't downgrade it to pack-0.92 because of that
[18:04] <fullermd_> There are pre-2a rich root formats.
[18:04] <LeoNerd> Hmm, but any that 1.5 will understand?
[18:05] <fullermd_> rich-root-pack I believe is pack-0.92+richroot.
[18:05] <LeoNerd> Hmmm
[18:06] <SamB> fullermd_: I don't see that in "help other-formats" on my modern bzr :-(
[18:07] <SamB> I also don't see --rich-root listed anywhere
[18:30] <jelmer> SamB: --rich-root-pack was introduced in 1.0 and supports rich roots
[18:30] <jelmer> it's marked hidden to discourage people from using it
[18:31] <jelmer> (and to cut down on the noise)
[18:31] <SamB> well, it seems like the format should be listed in other-formats since that's where deprecated formats are supposed to be listed ...
[18:32] <fullermd_> We'd have to list all the way back to weaves (I'm not sure we support the pre-weave formats anymore).  That gets to be a long confusingashell list.
[18:32] <fullermd_> You get people using dirstate-tags because they know they want to use tags, frex.
[18:32] <SamB> I'm not saying every single one should be
[18:33] <SamB> but this is an important variant of pack-0.92
[18:33] <fullermd_> Anything pre-2a is so positively ancient, people who don't already know them shouldn't ever hear of them.
[18:33] <fullermd_> I mean, 2a came in in 1.16.  4 years ago.
[18:33] <SamB> sometimes one needs to refresh ones memory
[18:34] <fullermd_> It wasn't, really; before 2a, rich roots were the odd variant out.
[18:34] <SamB> it was important since it was needed for bzr-svn, though
[18:35] <fullermd_> Yeah, that's what I said: "odd"  ;)
[18:36] <SamB> it's more useful than development-colo ...
[18:38] <fullermd_> Well, see?  And look at who's behind both of them!   :p
[18:39] <fullermd_> Now we know who to blame for the bzr-has-too-many-formats meme!
[18:57]  * jelmer ducks
[18:57] <LeoNerd> Hey jelmer; how's it going?
[18:58] <jelmer> hey LeoNerd, I'm doing well - still learning
[18:58] <LeoNerd> :)
[18:58] <LeoNerd> You'll get that for a while
[18:59] <jelmer> LeoNerd: How are you? What are you up to?
[18:59] <LeoNerd> I seem to be getting into some freelance+contracting arrangements currently
[18:59] <LeoNerd> Or.. somesuch. Not quite sure how to arrange it yet
[19:03] <jelmer> what sort of area?
[19:04] <jelmer> SamB: unfortunately bzr-svn will probably disappear soon, unless somebody steps up to fix its compatibility with svn 1.7 and later :-(
[19:04] <SamB> that *is* unfortunate
[19:04] <SamB> why do they have to keep screwing with the API :-(
[19:04] <jelmer> well, s/disappear/working copy
[19:04] <jelmer> well, s/disappear/working copy support will break and the tests will stop working/