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| ahoneybun | shadeslayer: hello | 02:58 |
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| smartboyhw | Good afternoon Kubuntu people:) | 06:00 |
| * smartboyhw checks KDE SC 4.10.3 | 06:01 | |
| soee | good morning | 06:05 |
| smartboyhw_ | Meh, shadeslayer still hasn't answered my questions (nor did yofel and Darkwing) | 07:01 |
| valorie | I wish more people were asking questions | 07:10 |
| smartboyhw_ | valorie: Heh | 07:13 |
| smartboyhw_ | Albeit, the users won't | 07:14 |
| smartboyhw_ | Since they aren't voters | 07:14 |
| valorie | I never thought of doing so | 07:14 |
| valorie | but really, the council is for all of us | 07:14 |
| smartboyhw_ | and Kubuntu Members would have known who to vote beforehans | 07:14 |
| smartboyhw_ | I simply don't know who to vote, so I askes | 07:15 |
| valorie | transparency is good | 07:15 |
| valorie | the more transparent we are, the more people are likely to step up into leadership roles, IMO | 07:15 |
| valorie | I hope you've started a new tradition | 07:17 |
| smartboyhw_ | Canonical won't like this http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130506 ;P | 07:38 |
| valorie | heh | 07:42 |
| Tm_T | smartboyhw_: why not? | 07:43 |
| Tm_T | Kubuntu is Ubuntu afterall (; | 07:43 |
| smartboyhw_ | Tm_T: I think they don't like to see their own thing squashed and Kubuntu praised:P | 07:44 |
| Tm_T | they should! | 07:44 |
| smartboyhw_ | Tm_T: :P | 07:46 |
| valorie | I wouldn't blame Canonical for favoring their own creation over the step-child | 07:49 |
| valorie | now the ubuntu community is a different question | 07:50 |
| Tm_T | valorie: indeed | 07:56 |
| valorie | we can't really worry about what canonical thinks | 07:58 |
| Tm_T | we don't need to I'd say | 07:58 |
| valorie | it did hurt when they withdrew support | 08:01 |
| valorie | but I think we are stronger now | 08:01 |
| valorie | so they did us a favor | 08:01 |
| smartboyhw | valorie: ;) | 08:01 |
| smartboyhw | Actually I don't understand: Why is Jonathan such a popular first name in the West? | 08:04 |
| smartboyhw | 4 Kubuntu Members have Jonathan has their first name… | 08:05 |
| valorie | very old name, even found in the Bible | 08:05 |
| mikhas | exist as a proper name in most European countries | 08:05 |
| mikhas | (localized versions, of course) | 08:05 |
| smartboyhw | valorie, mikhas: OK | 08:05 |
| Riddell | that distrowatch article is fun | 08:14 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Surely yep:) | 08:15 |
| Riddell | but do I blog it given it slags of ubuntu lots | 08:15 |
| mikhas | sure you do | 08:16 |
| Tm_T | smartboyhw: in finnish it's Joonatan | 08:16 |
| smartboyhw | Tm_T: :O | 08:16 |
| shadeslayer | smartboyhw: I have half a reply in my inbox | 08:17 |
| Riddell | smartboyhw: the reason I use my surname as irc nick is because there were so many jonathans at school we all had to use surnames to distinguish | 08:17 |
| smartboyhw | shadeslayer: Let me give you a cup of coffee | 08:17 |
| smartboyhw | Riddell: Seriously? LOL | 08:18 |
| shadeslayer | I just finished one, I could use another one | 08:18 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: give a cup of coffee to shadeslayer | 08:18 |
| shadeslayer | surely you mean | 08:18 |
| shadeslayer | kubotu: order coffee for smartboyhw | 08:18 |
| * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to smartboyhw. | 08:18 | |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: order espresso for shadeslayer | 08:18 |
| * kubotu slides espresso down the bar to shadeslayer | 08:18 | |
| shadeslayer | mmm | 08:19 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: order breakfast for Riddell | 08:20 |
| * kubotu slides a cigarette, a cup of hot coffee and a bagel with cream cheese down the bar to Riddell. | 08:20 | |
| valorie | I thought using surnames was standard in UK public schools? | 08:20 |
| valorie | I'm glad i didn't have to go by "Cowan" | 08:21 |
| smartboyhw | I wonder what will dinner be for kubotu… | 08:21 |
| Riddell | valorie: you are mistaking England for the UK | 08:22 |
| smartboyhw | heh | 08:23 |
| valorie | ah, not a Scots custom then? | 08:24 |
| smartboyhw | kubotu: order afternoon tea for smartboyhw | 08:24 |
| * kubotu slides afternoon tea down the bar to smartboyhw | 08:24 | |
| kubotu | howdy, smartboyhw | 08:24 |
| smartboyhw | Meh… | 08:24 |
| valorie | I've never actually been in England | 08:24 |
| valorie | only Scotland | 08:24 |
| * smartboyhw will be in England in July | 08:25 | |
| smartboyhw | When you guys are in Akademy | 08:25 |
| valorie | and in the first pub we were in, I mentioned that this was my first time in Europe | 08:25 |
| valorie | fellow roared out, you aren't in EUROPE, you're in SCOTLAND! | 08:25 |
| smartboyhw | valorie: ROFL | 08:26 |
| valorie | later he bought me a lovely whisky | 08:26 |
| valorie | mmmm, Jura | 08:26 |
| Riddell | valorie: that's disappointing | 08:28 |
| Riddell | http://ubuntugnome.org/ their Follow Us section with links to Facebook, g+ and twitter is where we should be at | 08:28 |
| valorie | yes, I was surprised | 08:29 |
| valorie | I thought the Scots in general were more European-minded than the average English | 08:30 |
| valorie | the Jura was delicious | 08:30 |
| valorie | that is a really plain page | 08:31 |
| Riddell | valorie: those of us who plan to vote Yes are, those who vote No less so. unlike england there's no calls to have a vote to get out of the EU | 08:31 |
| soee | Riddell, anyone working on 4.10.3 ? | 08:54 |
| apachelogger | yofel: are you doing frameworks for neon.... cause you've got kdelibs imported...? | 09:04 |
| valorie | anyway, Riddell, I agree with you on the Follow Us part | 09:09 |
| valorie | that's the best part of their very plain site | 09:10 |
| smartboyhw | valorie: Don't forget, they are a new flavour | 09:17 |
| valorie | oh, yes, I know | 09:18 |
| smartboyhw | And they don't even have a proper QA lead… | 09:18 |
| valorie | and I'm sure they will find someone to pretty it up | 09:18 |
| valorie | info is good, even if plain | 09:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: we just have an import, no work on getting it to work AFAIK | 10:55 |
| shadeslayer | afiestas_: ScottK bug 1171331 | 10:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1171331 in kscreen (Ubuntu) "Screen rotation isn't taken into account when positioning screens in KCM" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171331 | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | errr | 10:58 |
| shadeslayer | bug 1177333 | 10:58 |
| ubottu | bug 1177333 in kscreen (Ubuntu) "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177333 | 10:59 |
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| apachelogger | Darkwing, shadeslayer, yofel: questions on ML still waiting for replies | 11:14 |
| smartboyhw | apachelogger: Hey don't keep on telling them:P | 11:16 |
| apachelogger | yofel: ping | 11:35 |
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| smartboyhw_ | yofel: Is the 4.10.3 Raring status page cronjob down? | 12:51 |
| BluesKaj | Hiya folks | 13:10 |
| apachelogger | bazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar | 13:39 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: What happened?! | 13:40 |
| ghostcube | o.O | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO Unable to import branch because of limitations in Bazaar. | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported. | 13:40 |
| Riddell | apachelogger seems to have worked out how to use a laptop while sleeping, impressive | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: :O | 13:40 |
| smartboyhw_ | Riddell: lol | 13:40 |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: ^ suggestions? | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | ahaha | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | ahahahahaha | 13:41 |
| * shadeslayer jumps off a building | 13:41 | |
| apachelogger | shadeslayer: also pling | 13:41 |
| smartboyhw_ | shadeslayer: NO! | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: you can't import submodules | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | no git submodule support in bzr | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: pling? | 13:42 |
| apachelogger | no shit sherlok | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: suggestions, we write a cron job on a server to push repos | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | or | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | import each module individually | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | that's all I can think of | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | what server | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | or making Riddell write submodule support | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | also there are no modules | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | there may have been in the history | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | yeah so | 13:43 |
| smartboyhw_ | shadeslayer: Good one | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | which makes the fail even more bullshit | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | that breaks bzr | 13:43 |
| apachelogger | we should just stop using launchpad | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | or just make Riddell fix bzr :P | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: That's a wild suggestion. Let Riddell fix bzr. | 13:44 |
| smartboyhw_ | So Riddell, fix it;P | 13:45 |
| apachelogger | yes | 13:48 |
| apachelogger | let's spend engineering time on dead software | 13:48 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: Dead? | 13:49 |
| apachelogger | bzr is on life support | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: What's replacing it then? | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | nothing | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | mercurial | 13:50 |
| apachelogger | it's expect to rot until broken | 13:50 |
| smartboyhw_ | apachelogger: !? | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | what do I know | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | what do I care | 13:51 |
| Riddell | "maintinance mode" | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | there's no such thing considering it can't evne import git repos if there are submodules in the history | 13:51 |
| apachelogger | THE HISTORY | 13:51 |
| smartboyhw_ | kubotu: newversion homerun 0.2.3 | 14:22 |
| kubotu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1177399 | 14:22 |
| Riddell | when did that appear? | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw_ | Riddell: Planet KDE | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw_ | 12:32 UTC | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw_ | Today | 14:23 |
| lordievader | Good afternoon. | 14:53 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: script looks running to me, maybe there was a network issue? | 14:58 |
| yofel | apachelogger: pong | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | yofel: Hmn | 14:58 |
| yofel | apachelogger: and as shadeslayer said, there's only an import for frameworks. And I don't really plan to do any neon packaging until 4.11 is out | 14:58 |
| yofel | not saying that we can't change that | 14:59 |
| yofel | smartboyhw: "Last updated on 2013-05-07 15:00 (UTC)" - that was just now | 15:02 |
| smartboyhw | yofel: OKp | 15:03 |
| smartboyhw | yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing res | 15:04 |
| smartboyhw | s/res/red/ | 15:05 |
| kubotu | smartboyhw meant: "yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing red" | 15:05 |
| yofel | red means there were issues, not that it failed to build | 15:05 |
| yofel | that actually says failed to build | 15:05 |
| yofel | (see rocs) | 15:05 |
| yofel | in kate's case it would be the list-missing output | 15:06 |
| yofel | weird bug of the day: lp 1177329 | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1177329 in Kubuntu PPA "lock screen password is not same as user password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177329 | 15:07 |
| genii-around | Does anyone know when Saucy will be added to kubuntu PPAs ? | 15:41 |
| yofel | genii-around: define "added"? | 15:58 |
| yofel | if you mean available in apt: as soon as someone uploads something for saucy to the ppa | 15:58 |
| Quintasan | lol wat | 15:59 |
| genii-around | yofel: Ah, OK. I just went from 13.04 to the 13.10 development version, noted there was nothing in the PPAs yet | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | yofel: wip | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | albiet launchpad is crap | 16:32 |
| apachelogger | so I am writing tooling to do the recipe building outside launchpad | 16:32 |
| Riddell | rick_timmis: did you get anywhere with your watchfile watcher? | 16:39 |
| rick_timmis | Riddell: Not really, sorry. I got side tracked and it dropped down my todo list. | 17:08 |
| seaLne | do we really still need lots of cvs things in kubuntu-full package? just installed it for the first time in ages on a pc for parentals | 17:09 |
| rick_timmis | Riddell: I feel I have got lots of big gaps in my knowledge of Debian packaging and the finer aspects of APT, plus my day to day work load has gotten ahead of me. | 17:10 |
| Riddell | seaLne: cvs things? | 17:12 |
| seaLne | including cvs package and a few utils for cvs stuff | 17:13 |
| Riddell | rick_timmis: fair enoughski, let me know if you think you want to do other things in kubuntu, I hear ahoneybun iscracking on with docs | 17:13 |
| Riddell | seaLne: apt-cache show kubuntu-full doesn't list anything cvs | 17:13 |
| seaLne | looks like its some other package that pulls it in though | 17:14 |
| Riddell | oh kdesdk-scripts | 17:14 |
| Riddell | yeah that should go | 17:15 |
| seaLne | it installed a lot of dev stuff i wasn't expecting, i'd thought it would be just like all of kde programs | 17:16 |
| seaLne | not to sure what the usecase for -full is | 17:16 |
| rick_timmis | Riddell: Probably best I sit quiet for a while, once I get back in the groove, I will take a look at packaging, as that will probably help fill out the gaps I mentioned | 17:16 |
| Riddell | rick_timmis: plenty to package:) | 17:17 |
| Riddell | seaLne: it's mostly a facet of ours seeds rather than something I'd expect people to need | 17:17 |
| seaLne | ah | 17:18 |
| Riddell | you can try kde-full which is the debian meta package for kde fanboys | 17:18 |
| Riddell | vHanda: /etc/sysctl.d/30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf | 17:19 |
| vHanda | Riddell: thanks | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: bug 1177333 | 17:35 |
| ubottu | bug 1177333 in kscreen (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177333 | 17:35 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: we were discussing srus and how they can get blocked. is there an argument for allowing them into -proposed automatically and let ~ubuntu-sru review them during the7 day review period? | 18:09 |
| Riddell | or even only at the end ofit? | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I think users who use proposed will not appreciate preventable breakage | 18:11 |
| Riddell | do such users exist? | 18:13 |
| Riddell | -proposed is intended as a testing place, if you use it you have to be prepared to test | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | !sru | 18:15 |
| ubottu | Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | one of these days I'll start using bookmarks :S | 18:15 |
| ahoneybun | hey Riddell | 18:47 |
| Riddell | buenos noches | 18:49 |
| ahoneybun | have you seen the Docs so far? | 19:02 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: nope, what's new? | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | images, uploaded them to the wiki, made them thumbnails | 19:02 |
| ahoneybun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail | 19:02 |
| Riddell | ooh pretty pictures on /Basics | 19:07 |
| ahoneybun | thanks ;) | 19:07 |
| ahoneybun | I'm still trying to get the format right | 19:08 |
| ahoneybun | like where to put the index, and table of contents | 19:08 |
| Riddell | depends on how long it is | 19:09 |
| Riddell | if it's just the 6 items it is not then put the whole index on every page | 19:09 |
| Riddell | but if it gets much longer it'll need to be only on the front page with next/previous links? | 19:09 |
| ahoneybun | So should I put the index on every page? | 19:09 |
| ahoneybun | or leave it as "See also" on the bottom | 19:10 |
| Riddell | see also doesn't make much sense if it just lists all the pages | 19:10 |
| ahoneybun | yea I'm working on that now | 19:10 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: seen http://losca.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/qt-5-in-debian-and-ubuntu-patches.html ? | 19:13 |
| ahoneybun | yep | 19:15 |
| ahoneybun | I have all the pages made so there are no dead links right now | 19:16 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: so how should it be? | 19:19 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: hmm | 19:36 |
| Riddell | I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics is good wit the page contents at the top and the global contents at the bottom | 19:36 |
| Riddell | just don't call it "see also" | 19:36 |
| Riddell | that suggests it's selected pages rather than all contents | 19:37 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1177399 | 19:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1177399 in homerun (Ubuntu Raring) "[SRU] homerun 0.2.3" [Medium,Triaged] | 19:44 |
| shadeslayer | ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreen/+bug/1177333 while you're at it :P | 19:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1177333 in kscreen "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [High,Incomplete] | 19:44 |
| soee | good evening | 20:05 |
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| ahoneybun | Riddell: what would I call it then | 21:18 |
| Riddell | ahoneybun: just contents? | 21:24 |
| ahoneybun | the see also part, me and my friend were thinking of talking about naming it "Overview of Chapters | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | thinking of naming it | 21:26 |
| ahoneybun | "Overview of Chapters" | 21:27 |
| ahoneybun | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics | 21:47 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: looking better and better | 21:59 |
| valorie | the KDE Menu Editor appears freakishly large to me | 21:59 |
| valorie | however | 21:59 |
| ahoneybun | Yes I saw that valorie | 22:00 |
| valorie | I agree with Riddell, though - "Contents" is better than "ov erview of chapters" | 22:00 |
| valorie | this isn't a book, so we don't need to introduce the concept of chapters | 22:01 |
| ahoneybun | but with the <<TableOfContents>> it put "Contents" there | 22:01 |
| ahoneybun | so no links to the other parts of the Docs? | 22:02 |
| valorie | yes, there always have to be links to other parts | 22:04 |
| valorie | or people will never find them | 22:04 |
| ahoneybun | but then its | 22:06 |
| ahoneybun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics | 22:06 |
| valorie | with the moinmoin wiki, that's about the best you can do I think | 22:09 |
| valorie | breadcrumbs instead would be cool, but ..... | 22:10 |
| ahoneybun | agreed | 22:14 |
| ahoneybun | on the breadcrumbs anyway | 22:14 |
| ahoneybun | well I could make the links myself and not use the <<TableOfContents>> | 22:15 |
| valorie | so far you are doing a great job | 22:15 |
| valorie | I wrote down some of my thoughts the other night after i shut down irc | 22:16 |
| valorie | do you want me to email them to you? | 22:16 |
| valorie | got distracted and never looked up your email address yesterday | 22:16 |
| ahoneybun | sure send them over valorie :) | 22:30 |
| * Phonon looks at valorie | 22:45 | |
| ahoneybun | valorie: I'm trying to be very precise | 22:47 |
| valorie | ahoneybun: that's two releases ago! | 22:51 |
| * valorie looks at Phonon | 22:53 | |
| ahoneybun | lol | 22:57 |
| ahoneybun | you know what I mean! | 22:58 |
| ahoneybun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics | 22:58 |
| valorie | yes. :-) | 23:05 |
| ahoneybun | yes what? | 23:08 |
| valorie | yes, I know what you mean | 23:11 |
| valorie | too scattered atm to edit | 23:11 |
| ahoneybun | lol yea | 23:11 |
| ahoneybun | I'm thinking of making a new kubuntu-docs, in a new format basically just a folder with text files with the same text from the wiki pages I made and upload them to lp | 23:13 |
| valorie | we could do that each release | 23:15 |
| valorie | rather than updating them, just regenerate | 23:15 |
| valorie | also it's possible to create the xml/docbook from wiki | 23:15 |
| valorie | not sure about moin, though | 23:16 |
| valorie | that's how our amarok userdocs are created | 23:16 |
| valorie | dunno if the KDE docs people love it or not, but they do the scripting/fixing | 23:16 |
| ahoneybun | I think there is a way to import a xml into a wiki | 23:32 |
| valorie | yes, but it can be done the other way too | 23:36 |
| valorie | userbase > docbook works for KDE | 23:36 |
| ahoneybun | so make userdocs from the wiki? | 23:38 |
| valorie | sorry, dinner | 23:53 |
| ahoneybun | ok | 23:54 |
| valorie | what we did was create the manual in userbase | 23:54 |
| ahoneybun | oh ok | 23:54 |
| valorie | then before release, check all the things, and ask the docteam to pull a new docbook from it | 23:54 |
| valorie | so we aren't keeping two sets of docs | 23:54 |
| ahoneybun | so the docs were in userbase and then you pulled it from there and then made a docbook from it | 23:55 |
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