=== bmw is now known as TaiChi === TaiChi is now known as Guest70802 === Guest70802 is now known as taiji [02:58] shadeslayer: hello [06:00] Good afternoon Kubuntu people:) [06:01] * smartboyhw checks KDE SC 4.10.3 [06:05] good morning [07:01] Meh, shadeslayer still hasn't answered my questions (nor did yofel and Darkwing) [07:10] I wish more people were asking questions [07:13] valorie: Heh [07:14] Albeit, the users won't [07:14] Since they aren't voters [07:14] I never thought of doing so [07:14] but really, the council is for all of us [07:14] and Kubuntu Members would have known who to vote beforehans [07:15] I simply don't know who to vote, so I askes [07:15] transparency is good [07:15] the more transparent we are, the more people are likely to step up into leadership roles, IMO [07:17] I hope you've started a new tradition [07:38] Canonical won't like this http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20130506 ;P [07:42] heh [07:43] smartboyhw_: why not? [07:43] Kubuntu is Ubuntu afterall (; [07:44] Tm_T: I think they don't like to see their own thing squashed and Kubuntu praised:P [07:44] they should! [07:46] Tm_T: :P [07:49] I wouldn't blame Canonical for favoring their own creation over the step-child [07:50] now the ubuntu community is a different question [07:56] valorie: indeed [07:58] we can't really worry about what canonical thinks [07:58] we don't need to I'd say [08:01] it did hurt when they withdrew support [08:01] but I think we are stronger now [08:01] so they did us a favor [08:01] valorie: ;) [08:04] Actually I don't understand: Why is Jonathan such a popular first name in the West? [08:05] 4 Kubuntu Members have Jonathan has their first name… [08:05] very old name, even found in the Bible [08:05] exist as a proper name in most European countries [08:05] (localized versions, of course) [08:05] valorie, mikhas: OK [08:14] that distrowatch article is fun [08:15] Riddell: Surely yep:) [08:15] but do I blog it given it slags of ubuntu lots [08:16] sure you do [08:16] smartboyhw: in finnish it's Joonatan [08:16] Tm_T: :O [08:17] smartboyhw: I have half a reply in my inbox [08:17] smartboyhw: the reason I use my surname as irc nick is because there were so many jonathans at school we all had to use surnames to distinguish [08:17] shadeslayer: Let me give you a cup of coffee [08:18] Riddell: Seriously? LOL [08:18] I just finished one, I could use another one [08:18] kubotu: give a cup of coffee to shadeslayer [08:18] surely you mean [08:18] kubotu: order coffee for smartboyhw [08:18] * kubotu slides a cup of steamy hot coffee down the bar to smartboyhw. [08:18] kubotu: order espresso for shadeslayer [08:18] * kubotu slides espresso down the bar to shadeslayer [08:19] mmm [08:20] kubotu: order breakfast for Riddell [08:20] * kubotu slides a cigarette, a cup of hot coffee and a bagel with cream cheese down the bar to Riddell. [08:20] I thought using surnames was standard in UK public schools? [08:21] I'm glad i didn't have to go by "Cowan" [08:21] I wonder what will dinner be for kubotu… [08:22] valorie: you are mistaking England for the UK [08:23] heh [08:24] ah, not a Scots custom then? [08:24] kubotu: order afternoon tea for smartboyhw [08:24] * kubotu slides afternoon tea down the bar to smartboyhw [08:24] howdy, smartboyhw [08:24] Meh… [08:24] I've never actually been in England [08:24] only Scotland [08:25] * smartboyhw will be in England in July [08:25] When you guys are in Akademy [08:25] and in the first pub we were in, I mentioned that this was my first time in Europe [08:25] fellow roared out, you aren't in EUROPE, you're in SCOTLAND! [08:26] valorie: ROFL [08:26] later he bought me a lovely whisky [08:26] mmmm, Jura [08:28] valorie: that's disappointing [08:28] http://ubuntugnome.org/ their Follow Us section with links to Facebook, g+ and twitter is where we should be at [08:29] yes, I was surprised [08:30] I thought the Scots in general were more European-minded than the average English [08:30] the Jura was delicious [08:31] that is a really plain page [08:31] valorie: those of us who plan to vote Yes are, those who vote No less so. unlike england there's no calls to have a vote to get out of the EU [08:54] Riddell, anyone working on 4.10.3 ? [09:04] yofel: are you doing frameworks for neon.... cause you've got kdelibs imported...? [09:09] anyway, Riddell, I agree with you on the Follow Us part [09:10] that's the best part of their very plain site [09:17] valorie: Don't forget, they are a new flavour [09:18] oh, yes, I know [09:18] And they don't even have a proper QA lead… [09:18] and I'm sure they will find someone to pretty it up [09:18] info is good, even if plain [10:55] apachelogger: we just have an import, no work on getting it to work AFAIK [10:58] afiestas_: ScottK bug 1171331 [10:58] bug 1171331 in kscreen (Ubuntu) "Screen rotation isn't taken into account when positioning screens in KCM" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1171331 [10:58] errr [10:58] bug 1177333 [10:59] bug 1177333 in kscreen (Ubuntu) "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177333 === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [11:14] Darkwing, shadeslayer, yofel: questions on ML still waiting for replies [11:16] apachelogger: Hey don't keep on telling them:P [11:35] yofel: ping === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [12:51] yofel: Is the 4.10.3 Raring status page cronjob down? [13:10] Hiya folks [13:39] bazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar [13:40] apachelogger: What happened?! [13:40] o.O [13:40] 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO Unable to import branch because of limitations in Bazaar. [13:40] 2013-05-07 12:44:47 INFO The repository you are fetching from contains submodules, which are not yet supported. [13:40] apachelogger seems to have worked out how to use a laptop while sleeping, impressive [13:40] apachelogger: :O [13:40] Riddell: lol [13:41] shadeslayer: ^ suggestions? [13:41] ahaha [13:41] ahahahahaha [13:41] * shadeslayer jumps off a building [13:41] shadeslayer: also pling [13:41] shadeslayer: NO! [13:41] apachelogger: you can't import submodules [13:41] no git submodule support in bzr [13:42] apachelogger: pling? [13:42] no shit sherlok [13:42] apachelogger: suggestions, we write a cron job on a server to push repos [13:42] or [13:42] import each module individually [13:43] that's all I can think of [13:43] what server [13:43] or making Riddell write submodule support [13:43] also there are no modules [13:43] there may have been in the history [13:43] yeah so [13:43] shadeslayer: Good one [13:43] which makes the fail even more bullshit [13:43] that breaks bzr [13:43] we should just stop using launchpad [13:44] or just make Riddell fix bzr :P [13:44] apachelogger: That's a wild suggestion. Let Riddell fix bzr. [13:45] So Riddell, fix it;P [13:48] yes [13:48] let's spend engineering time on dead software [13:49] apachelogger: Dead? [13:50] bzr is on life support [13:50] apachelogger: What's replacing it then? [13:50] nothing [13:50] mercurial [13:50] it's expect to rot until broken [13:51] apachelogger: !? [13:51] what do I know [13:51] what do I care [13:51] "maintinance mode" [13:51] there's no such thing considering it can't evne import git repos if there are submodules in the history [13:51] THE HISTORY [14:22] kubotu: newversion homerun 0.2.3 [14:22] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1177399 [14:23] when did that appear? [14:23] Riddell: Planet KDE [14:23] 12:32 UTC [14:23] Today [14:53] Good afternoon. [14:58] smartboyhw: script looks running to me, maybe there was a network issue? [14:58] apachelogger: pong [14:58] yofel: Hmn [14:58] apachelogger: and as shadeslayer said, there's only an import for frameworks. And I don't really plan to do any neon packaging until 4.11 is out [14:59] not saying that we can't change that [15:02] smartboyhw: "Last updated on 2013-05-07 15:00 (UTC)" - that was just now [15:03] yofel: OKp [15:04] yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing res [15:05] s/res/red/ [15:05] smartboyhw meant: "yofel: But some of the successfully built packages are showing red" [15:05] red means there were issues, not that it failed to build [15:05] that actually says failed to build [15:05] (see rocs) [15:06] in kate's case it would be the list-missing output [15:07] weird bug of the day: lp 1177329 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1177329 in Kubuntu PPA "lock screen password is not same as user password" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177329 [15:41] Does anyone know when Saucy will be added to kubuntu PPAs ? [15:58] genii-around: define "added"? [15:58] if you mean available in apt: as soon as someone uploads something for saucy to the ppa [15:59] lol wat [15:59] yofel: Ah, OK. I just went from 13.04 to the 13.10 development version, noted there was nothing in the PPAs yet [16:32] yofel: wip [16:32] albiet launchpad is crap [16:32] so I am writing tooling to do the recipe building outside launchpad [16:39] rick_timmis: did you get anywhere with your watchfile watcher? [17:08] Riddell: Not really, sorry. I got side tracked and it dropped down my todo list. [17:09] do we really still need lots of cvs things in kubuntu-full package? just installed it for the first time in ages on a pc for parentals [17:10] Riddell: I feel I have got lots of big gaps in my knowledge of Debian packaging and the finer aspects of APT, plus my day to day work load has gotten ahead of me. [17:12] seaLne: cvs things? [17:13] including cvs package and a few utils for cvs stuff [17:13] rick_timmis: fair enoughski, let me know if you think you want to do other things in kubuntu, I hear ahoneybun iscracking on with docs [17:13] seaLne: apt-cache show kubuntu-full doesn't list anything cvs [17:14] looks like its some other package that pulls it in though [17:14] oh kdesdk-scripts [17:15] yeah that should go [17:16] it installed a lot of dev stuff i wasn't expecting, i'd thought it would be just like all of kde programs [17:16] not to sure what the usecase for -full is [17:16] Riddell: Probably best I sit quiet for a while, once I get back in the groove, I will take a look at packaging, as that will probably help fill out the gaps I mentioned [17:17] rick_timmis: plenty to package:) [17:17] seaLne: it's mostly a facet of ours seeds rather than something I'd expect people to need [17:18] ah [17:18] you can try kde-full which is the debian meta package for kde fanboys [17:19] vHanda: /etc/sysctl.d/30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf [17:26] Riddell: thanks [17:35] ScottK: bug 1177333 [17:35] bug 1177333 in kscreen (Ubuntu Saucy) "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177333 === mitya57_ is now known as mitya57 [18:09] ScottK: we were discussing srus and how they can get blocked. is there an argument for allowing them into -proposed automatically and let ~ubuntu-sru review them during the7 day review period? [18:09] or even only at the end ofit? [18:11] Riddell: I think users who use proposed will not appreciate preventable breakage [18:13] do such users exist? [18:13] -proposed is intended as a testing place, if you use it you have to be prepared to test [18:15] !sru [18:15] Stable Release Update information is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates [18:15] one of these days I'll start using bookmarks :S [18:47] hey Riddell [18:49] buenos noches [19:02] have you seen the Docs so far? [19:02] ahoneybun: nope, what's new? [19:02] images, uploaded them to the wiki, made them thumbnails [19:02] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail [19:07] ooh pretty pictures on /Basics [19:07] thanks ;) [19:08] I'm still trying to get the format right [19:08] like where to put the index, and table of contents [19:09] depends on how long it is [19:09] if it's just the 6 items it is not then put the whole index on every page [19:09] but if it gets much longer it'll need to be only on the front page with next/previous links? [19:09] So should I put the index on every page? [19:10] or leave it as "See also" on the bottom [19:10] see also doesn't make much sense if it just lists all the pages [19:10] yea I'm working on that now [19:13] apachelogger: seen http://losca.blogspot.com.es/2013/05/qt-5-in-debian-and-ubuntu-patches.html ? [19:15] yep [19:16] I have all the pages made so there are no dead links right now [19:19] Riddell: so how should it be? [19:36] ahoneybun: hmm [19:36] I think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics is good wit the page contents at the top and the global contents at the bottom [19:36] just don't call it "see also" [19:37] that suggests it's selected pages rather than all contents [19:44] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/homerun/+bug/1177399 [19:44] Launchpad bug 1177399 in homerun (Ubuntu Raring) "[SRU] homerun 0.2.3" [Medium,Triaged] [19:44] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreen/+bug/1177333 while you're at it :P [19:44] Launchpad bug 1177333 in kscreen "[SRU] kscreen 0.0.92" [High,Incomplete] [20:05] good evening === apachelogger is now known as Phonon [21:18] Riddell: what would I call it then [21:24] ahoneybun: just contents? [21:26] the see also part, me and my friend were thinking of talking about naming it "Overview of Chapters [21:26] thinking of naming it [21:27] "Overview of Chapters" [21:47] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [21:59] ahoneybun: looking better and better [21:59] the KDE Menu Editor appears freakishly large to me [21:59] however [22:00] Yes I saw that valorie [22:00] I agree with Riddell, though - "Contents" is better than "ov erview of chapters" [22:01] this isn't a book, so we don't need to introduce the concept of chapters [22:01] but with the <> it put "Contents" there [22:02] so no links to the other parts of the Docs? [22:04] yes, there always have to be links to other parts [22:04] or people will never find them [22:06] but then its [22:06] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [22:09] with the moinmoin wiki, that's about the best you can do I think [22:10] breadcrumbs instead would be cool, but ..... [22:14] agreed [22:14] on the breadcrumbs anyway [22:15] well I could make the links myself and not use the <> [22:15] so far you are doing a great job [22:16] I wrote down some of my thoughts the other night after i shut down irc [22:16] do you want me to email them to you? [22:16] got distracted and never looked up your email address yesterday [22:30] sure send them over valorie :) [22:45] * Phonon looks at valorie [22:47] valorie: I'm trying to be very precise [22:51] ahoneybun: that's two releases ago! [22:53] * valorie looks at Phonon [22:57] lol [22:58] you know what I mean! [22:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDocs/RaringRingtail/Basics [23:05] yes. :-) [23:08] yes what? [23:11] yes, I know what you mean [23:11] too scattered atm to edit [23:11] lol yea [23:13] I'm thinking of making a new kubuntu-docs, in a new format basically just a folder with text files with the same text from the wiki pages I made and upload them to lp [23:15] we could do that each release [23:15] rather than updating them, just regenerate [23:15] also it's possible to create the xml/docbook from wiki [23:16] not sure about moin, though [23:16] that's how our amarok userdocs are created [23:16] dunno if the KDE docs people love it or not, but they do the scripting/fixing [23:32] I think there is a way to import a xml into a wiki [23:36] yes, but it can be done the other way too [23:36] userbase > docbook works for KDE [23:38] so make userdocs from the wiki? [23:53] sorry, dinner [23:54] ok [23:54] what we did was create the manual in userbase [23:54] oh ok [23:54] then before release, check all the things, and ask the docteam to pull a new docbook from it [23:54] so we aren't keeping two sets of docs [23:55] so the docs were in userbase and then you pulled it from there and then made a docbook from it