[13:19] <doomlord> does ubuntu-arm (desktop) run on any of the 1080p phones (galaxy s4, htc one, sony experia-z)
[13:24] <ogra_> it could ... if you get xorg to work
[13:26] <doomlord> n7 runs it best i guess ?
[13:28] <ogra_> well, we dropped all desktop images apart from panda for 13.10
[13:29] <doomlord> is arm/ubuntu work focussed on ubuntu-touch i
[13:29] <ogra_> yes
[13:30] <ogra_> and arm server (with arm64)
[13:30] <ogra_> the desktop image is only there to test desktop apps for the convergence in 14.04
[13:30] <ogra_> to make sure we dont have regressions on an app level until 14.04 starts and the desktop runs in Mir
[13:31] <doomlord> would you advise against installing ubuntu-arm on my n7
[13:32] <ogra_> well, there is an unfixed touchscreen bug
[13:32] <doomlord> ah what does it do
[13:32] <ogra_> as long as you use it with kbd and mouse you should be fine
[13:32] <ogra_> it locks up the touch input
[13:32] <doomlord> ouch :)
[13:34] <doomlord> i liked the idea of an arm ultraportable computer but it seems its not needed, touch-tablet OS's deliver what people want mostly
[13:34] <ogra_> well, you will have a full desktop on touch devivces with 14.04
[13:34] <ogra_> (if they are powerful enough to execute it)
[13:35] <doomlord> a strength of linux IMO is the extent to which you can strip it down for weaker hardware
[13:35] <doomlord> lightweight desktop environments
[13:36] <doomlord> eg an arm device should easily give good performance for fluxbox say
[13:36] <darkfader> doomlord: if the graphics drivers are fine :)
[13:36] <tassadar_> have you seend bohdi linux with e17 running on n7? it is really fast)
[13:37] <doomlord> no i haven't
[13:37] <tassadar_> http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.nl/2012/12/bodhi-armhf-alpha-for-nexus-7.html
[13:38] <doomlord> yeah watching  it now.. wow
[13:40] <doomlord> thats great to see
[13:47] <doomlord> well i think i'd be content with ubuntu touch when it gets a terminal app
[13:50] <ogra_> it has a termijnal app since a few weeks already
[13:50] <ogra_> you need to install it via adb though
[14:01] <doomlord> why is that - is the whole process of "downloading apps" still in development - and is it still too 'alpha' to want to put it in by default (or is it deemed something most users wont want)