| jussi | does anyone have any opinions on whether canonical will fail or succeed with the phone? and can you back up these opinions? | 07:25 |
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| IdleOne | jussi: I don't think it can be considered a success until major phone companies start selling phones with ubuntu touch preinstalled. | 15:29 |
| IdleOne | as long err ubuntu phone/touch | 15:29 |
| jussi | IdleOne: I tend to agree - Im asking for opiniions if that could happen and why do you think it might happen. | 15:30 |
| Calinou | firefox OS targets low end | 15:30 |
| Calinou | and guess what are the best sellers? nexus 4 and GS3/GS4 | 15:30 |
| Calinou | two insanely expensive phones :P | 15:30 |
| IdleOne | as long as it remains a geek thing, meaning that the end user needs to flash his phone, it will stay just on the edge of success | 15:30 |
| Calinou | wait | 15:30 |
| Calinou | WTF brain | 15:30 |
| jussi | IdleOne: I agree | 15:30 |
| Calinou | well, when you said ubuntu touch I thought of firefoxc OS | 15:30 |
| Calinou | -c | 15:30 |
| jussi | IdleOne: although, I can see phones with multiple UI's being potentially shipped, and the user chooises the UI at startup.... | 15:31 |
| jussi | err, initial startup | 15:31 |
| IdleOne | jussi: if the carriers see a potential for profit they will. | 15:32 |
| jussi | because, lets face it, underneath it is now very much the same (at a lernel level) | 15:32 |
| IdleOne | that might be a good idea, a dual boot phone. | 15:32 |
| jussi | kernel* | 15:32 |
| IdleOne | but the carrier needs to be able to market a reason for having dual boot which means ubuntu will need to fill a specific task that isn't already by existing phone OS. | 15:33 |
| Calinou | jussi: that will never happen | 15:33 |
| Calinou | dualbooting is so sketchy already | 15:33 |
| Calinou | thanks to UEFI | 15:33 |
| jussi | IdleOne: or they may head towards simply Galaxy S5U, S5A, S5J, S5T (Ubuntu, Android, Jolla, Tizen) | 15:34 |
| jussi | so same HW, choose your software | 15:35 |
| jussi | "best of all worlds" so to speak | 15:35 |
| IdleOne | I'm don't own a cell phone or tablet, for me there is no need to own one. But I do sometimes think I would like a nice tablet I can use as a "main" computing device, but I would want to be able to do pretty much everything I can on my desktop. | 15:36 |
| jussi | IdleOne: you need a keyboard, no matter what people tell you... | 15:36 |
| IdleOne | screen size is a big issue for me, I don't have problems with my vision, I just don't like looking at a small screen. 7-9-10 inches is too small IMO | 15:37 |
| Calinou | lol jussi | 15:37 |
| jussi | its frustrating though, Ubuntu touch was getting very good reviews, but I found it unuseable tbh | 15:37 |
| Calinou | IdleOne: desktop ftw | 15:37 |
| Calinou | tablet as main computing, lol | 15:38 |
| IdleOne | jussi: it is still very new | 15:38 |
| jussi | I have 8 mins till train arrives, so if I disappear... | 15:38 |
| IdleOne | Calinou: what I meant by main device was when I am away from my desktop I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop. | 15:39 |
| jussi | IdleOne: still, with the level of advertised useability, I expect bugs, not showstopper bugs. | 15:39 |
| jussi | IdleOne: I have the most compatible device (Nexus 4) and the experience was very poor | 15:39 |
| IdleOne | I can't comment on that because I haven't tried it. | 15:40 |
| jussi | IdleOne: the gmail app for example wouldnt load. the browser was very poor. other apps didnt load at all. | 15:40 |
| IdleOne | I do like the idea of being able to dock a phone or tablet and using it as a desktop. | 15:40 |
| IdleOne | I think I could then live with the smaller screen size when I am on the go. | 15:41 |
| jussi | IdleOne: that said, the system and ideas are very nice, although some of them are somewhat confusing. | 15:41 |
| jussi | anyway, station coming up... talk laters | 15:42 |
| IdleOne | That is just a question of learning to use a different UI | 15:42 |
| IdleOne | later dude. | 15:42 |
| Calinou | IdleOne: well you can't | 15:43 |
| Calinou | performance is very bad compared to a desktop | 15:43 |
| Calinou | and you don't have physical keyboard/mouse | 15:44 |
| IdleOne | performance on phones and tablets is improving and will soon be comparable to desktop | 15:44 |
| Calinou | lol no | 15:52 |
| Calinou | celeron G1610 = 5 times as fast as tegra 3 | 15:52 |
| Calinou | 40 euro CPU | 15:52 |
| Calinou | you have now idea how slow ARM is at heavy tasks :P | 15:52 |
| Calinou | 20 minutes to compile a game | 15:52 |
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