[07:25] <jussi> does anyone have any opinions on whether canonical will fail or succeed with the phone? and can you back up these opinions?
[15:29] <IdleOne> jussi: I don't think it can be considered a success until major phone companies start selling phones with ubuntu touch preinstalled.
[15:29] <IdleOne> as long err ubuntu phone/touch
[15:30] <jussi> IdleOne: I tend to agree - Im asking for opiniions if that could happen and why do you think it might happen.
[15:30] <Calinou> firefox OS targets low end
[15:30] <Calinou> and guess what are the best sellers? nexus 4 and GS3/GS4
[15:30] <Calinou> two insanely expensive phones :P
[15:30] <IdleOne> as long as it remains a geek thing, meaning that the end user needs to flash his phone, it will stay just on the edge of success
[15:30] <Calinou> wait
[15:30] <Calinou> WTF brain
[15:30] <jussi> IdleOne: I agree
[15:30] <Calinou> well, when you said ubuntu touch I thought of firefoxc OS
[15:30] <Calinou> -c
[15:31] <jussi> IdleOne: although, I can see phones with multiple UI's being potentially shipped, and the user chooises the UI at startup....
[15:31] <jussi> err, initial startup
[15:32] <IdleOne> jussi: if the carriers see a potential for profit they will.
[15:32] <jussi> because, lets face it, underneath it is now very much the same (at a lernel level)
[15:32] <IdleOne> that might be a good idea, a dual boot phone.
[15:32] <jussi> kernel*
[15:33] <IdleOne> but the carrier needs to be able to market a reason for having dual boot which means ubuntu will need to fill a specific task that isn't already by existing phone OS.
[15:33] <Calinou> jussi: that will never happen
[15:33] <Calinou> dualbooting is so sketchy already
[15:33] <Calinou> thanks to UEFI
[15:34] <jussi> IdleOne: or they may head towards simply Galaxy S5U, S5A, S5J, S5T (Ubuntu, Android, Jolla, Tizen)
[15:35] <jussi> so same HW, choose your software
[15:35] <jussi> "best of all worlds" so to speak
[15:36] <IdleOne> I'm don't own a cell phone or tablet, for me there is no need to own one. But I do sometimes think I would like a nice tablet I can use as a "main" computing device, but I would want to be able to do pretty much everything I can on my desktop.
[15:36] <jussi> IdleOne: you need a keyboard, no matter what people tell you...
[15:37] <IdleOne> screen size is a big issue for me, I don't have problems with my vision, I just don't like looking at a small screen. 7-9-10 inches is too small IMO
[15:37] <Calinou> lol jussi
[15:37] <jussi> its frustrating though, Ubuntu touch was getting very good reviews, but I found it unuseable tbh
[15:37] <Calinou> IdleOne: desktop ftw
[15:38] <Calinou> tablet as main computing, lol
[15:38] <IdleOne> jussi: it is still very new
[15:38] <jussi> I have 8 mins till train arrives, so if I disappear...
[15:39] <IdleOne> Calinou: what I meant by main device was when I am away from my desktop I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop.
[15:39] <jussi> IdleOne: still, with the level of advertised useability, I expect bugs, not showstopper bugs.
[15:39] <jussi> IdleOne: I have the most compatible device (Nexus 4) and the experience was very poor
[15:40] <IdleOne> I can't comment on that because I haven't tried it.
[15:40] <jussi> IdleOne: the gmail app for example wouldnt load. the browser was very poor. other apps didnt load at all.
[15:40] <IdleOne> I do like the idea of being able to dock a phone or tablet and using it as a desktop.
[15:41] <IdleOne> I think I could then live with the smaller screen size when I am on the go.
[15:41] <jussi> IdleOne: that said, the system and ideas are very nice, although some of them are somewhat confusing.
[15:42] <jussi> anyway, station coming up... talk laters
[15:42] <IdleOne> That is just a question of learning to use a different UI
[15:42] <IdleOne> later dude.
[15:43] <Calinou> IdleOne: well you can't
[15:43] <Calinou> performance is very bad compared to a desktop
[15:44] <Calinou> and you don't have physical keyboard/mouse
[15:44] <IdleOne> performance on phones and tablets is improving and will soon be comparable to desktop
[15:52] <Calinou> lol no
[15:52] <Calinou> celeron G1610 = 5 times as fast as tegra 3
[15:52] <Calinou> 40 euro CPU
[15:52] <Calinou> you have now idea how slow ARM is at heavy tasks :P
[15:52] <Calinou> 20 minutes to compile a game