[07:25] does anyone have any opinions on whether canonical will fail or succeed with the phone? and can you back up these opinions? [15:29] jussi: I don't think it can be considered a success until major phone companies start selling phones with ubuntu touch preinstalled. [15:29] as long err ubuntu phone/touch [15:30] IdleOne: I tend to agree - Im asking for opiniions if that could happen and why do you think it might happen. [15:30] firefox OS targets low end [15:30] and guess what are the best sellers? nexus 4 and GS3/GS4 [15:30] two insanely expensive phones :P [15:30] as long as it remains a geek thing, meaning that the end user needs to flash his phone, it will stay just on the edge of success [15:30] wait [15:30] WTF brain [15:30] IdleOne: I agree [15:30] well, when you said ubuntu touch I thought of firefoxc OS [15:30] -c [15:31] IdleOne: although, I can see phones with multiple UI's being potentially shipped, and the user chooises the UI at startup.... [15:31] err, initial startup [15:32] jussi: if the carriers see a potential for profit they will. [15:32] because, lets face it, underneath it is now very much the same (at a lernel level) [15:32] that might be a good idea, a dual boot phone. [15:32] kernel* [15:33] but the carrier needs to be able to market a reason for having dual boot which means ubuntu will need to fill a specific task that isn't already by existing phone OS. [15:33] jussi: that will never happen [15:33] dualbooting is so sketchy already [15:33] thanks to UEFI [15:34] IdleOne: or they may head towards simply Galaxy S5U, S5A, S5J, S5T (Ubuntu, Android, Jolla, Tizen) [15:35] so same HW, choose your software [15:35] "best of all worlds" so to speak [15:36] I'm don't own a cell phone or tablet, for me there is no need to own one. But I do sometimes think I would like a nice tablet I can use as a "main" computing device, but I would want to be able to do pretty much everything I can on my desktop. [15:36] IdleOne: you need a keyboard, no matter what people tell you... [15:37] screen size is a big issue for me, I don't have problems with my vision, I just don't like looking at a small screen. 7-9-10 inches is too small IMO [15:37] lol jussi [15:37] its frustrating though, Ubuntu touch was getting very good reviews, but I found it unuseable tbh [15:37] IdleOne: desktop ftw [15:38] tablet as main computing, lol [15:38] jussi: it is still very new [15:38] I have 8 mins till train arrives, so if I disappear... [15:39] Calinou: what I meant by main device was when I am away from my desktop I want to be able to do everything I do on my desktop. [15:39] IdleOne: still, with the level of advertised useability, I expect bugs, not showstopper bugs. [15:39] IdleOne: I have the most compatible device (Nexus 4) and the experience was very poor [15:40] I can't comment on that because I haven't tried it. [15:40] IdleOne: the gmail app for example wouldnt load. the browser was very poor. other apps didnt load at all. [15:40] I do like the idea of being able to dock a phone or tablet and using it as a desktop. [15:41] I think I could then live with the smaller screen size when I am on the go. [15:41] IdleOne: that said, the system and ideas are very nice, although some of them are somewhat confusing. [15:42] anyway, station coming up... talk laters [15:42] That is just a question of learning to use a different UI [15:42] later dude. [15:43] IdleOne: well you can't [15:43] performance is very bad compared to a desktop [15:44] and you don't have physical keyboard/mouse [15:44] performance on phones and tablets is improving and will soon be comparable to desktop [15:52] lol no [15:52] celeron G1610 = 5 times as fast as tegra 3 [15:52] 40 euro CPU [15:52] you have now idea how slow ARM is at heavy tasks :P [15:52] 20 minutes to compile a game