[06:44] Morning [06:52] hello all [06:52] how was your trip popey ? [06:54] Great! Just about recovered from jet lag this morning [07:08] ahoy [07:08] ello [07:08] * dwatkins finally published something after a few years and a little while messing around with the Arduino [07:09] in case anyone's curious about pulse-width modulation: PIC Programming - Introduction [07:09] oops [07:09] that https://github.com/glymph/Arduino/tree/Colour_changing_LEDs [08:17] MEOW [08:19] moo [08:19] Laney: No. [08:20] Oh. :( [08:45] Good morning all, happy Long Weekend Confusion Day! :-D [08:45] now you made that one up ;) [08:45] I would happily belive it's real [08:47] MooDoo, you're right, I did. But as SuperMatt says, it should be a thing. [08:47] indeed [08:47] and there will be another one in a couple of weeks [08:47] After watching Django Unchained both on the flight out to SFO and again on the way back I think I have a man crush on Christoph Waltz! ☻ [08:48] It could just as easily be Sunburn Suffering Day, or Gardening Aches Day. ;) [08:49] For me it's "get over jetlag day" [08:49] went walking yesterday and slept last night from 9pm till 7am this morning [08:49] zonked out completely [08:49] i watched cloud atlas on the flight [08:50] quite liked it [08:51] good morning everyone, [08:52] popey, how was your week? Exciting, from what I've heard. [08:52] And tiring, I expect. [08:57] it was [08:57] * popey upgrades a vm to saucy [08:59] I've already upgraded my laptop [09:04] popey: http://gifrific.com/colonel-hans-landa-dancing-in-his-chair/ [09:09] :D [09:33] You k now, I quite like that feeling I get when I had one error message, and now I get a new one [10:00] hmm... do you know what unity could do with? an in built terminal emulator [10:02] like guake [10:03] not sure. feels like Ubuntu is trying to get us NOT to use the terminal... wouldn't building one in seem like a step backward? [10:03] gnome-terminal should still be there? shouldnt it. [10:03] I know this is very annoying and so on, but just to keep the few remaining friendships I have in the Ubuntu community remaining, I'll just resort to the same old line of "I was going to say something, but my brain told me hitting enter was a bad idea, so nevermind" - oh but Nafallo said it better too. [10:04] so w/e ;-) [10:05] I just think it would be a nice extension to alt+f2, because you might actually want to quickly see the output of a command [10:06] I'm sure i once had a plugin or app that did that [10:06] you hit something+~ and the terminal appeared [10:06] yeah, that's guake (I think) [10:06] as a power user, this should be an easy to fix problem ;-) [10:06] SuperMatt: Oh, I thoughtyou meant quake, heh [10:07] :P [10:07] guake, tilda, there's plenty of them [10:07] yeah yeah [10:07] I just wonder if it'd be cool to be in unity, with unity styling [10:08] it would, yes [10:13] * SuperMatt thinks the networking indicator needs a redesign - specifically to show IP address [10:13] though I assume that'd probably come with unity next [10:13] it does show IP [10:13] click "connection information" [10:14] yeah yeah, but I kind figure it should just be there, at the top [10:14] :( :( :( :( spotify doesn't work for me on saucy :( :( :( :( [10:14] why? [10:14] "GUI deadlock" [10:14] in general most people rarely need to know their own IP address [10:14] very true [10:15] but when people *do* need it, a single click would be useful [10:15] pfft [10:15] its two clicks [10:15] well yeah [10:15] in fact it's one [10:15] you put it like that :P [10:15] click and hold the indicator, drag down to connection information, let go = one click [10:15] * SuperMatt nods [10:15] Laney: the guys in #spotify are quite helpful [10:16] and the linux version is a pet home project of one of them, not a "supported" client sadly [10:16] (unless things have changed since I last asked) [10:18] if only more employees of service providers like that decided to do "pet home projects" [10:18] well, it at least means that i'm definitely paying them cash prize moneys [10:19] i'll check with them soon, ta for the info [10:19] just heard a load of post come through the door [10:20] 5 leaflets, 1 spam newspaper and a newsletter from the council [10:20] so, has the common opinion on Google Pixel vs. Dell XPS13 changed recently? I think that my old Latitude D630 is on its last legs (the replacement keyboard I installed on it less than a year ago is breaking and I suspect it's because it probably wasn't genuine replacement part) and I'm afraid I'm forced to look at getting a new laptop. Is there any other fairly Linux compatible good bang for buck laptops around? [10:20] yippee [10:22] I fixed the issue with the keyboard (probably temporarily) last night with some tissue paper and super glue [10:36] Myrtti: macbook air? ☻ [10:36] popey: is it cheaper than either the Dell or Pixel? [10:37] i dont know how much either of those devices cost [10:37] around 1060 [10:37] give or take few tenners [10:38] 1249 [10:38] zoink [10:38] http://store.apple.com/uk/configure/MD212B/A? [10:38] yeah, no. [10:39] Good morning peeps :) [10:40] I can't even justify the Pixel/XPS13 price for myself [10:41] wow how expensive [10:58] *sigh* I think all the keys are pretty much about to jump for freedom [11:04] help with login [11:04] hey there i a have a problem with my login [11:04] can anyone help me? [11:04] i am not an expert [11:04] what's the issue? [11:05] hi matt! [11:05] i left my laptop with a friend, when i came home to login it didn't work [11:06] ok, tell us exactly what you see [11:06] it didn't say that the password is wrong but showed first a black window and then came back to place where i can login [11:06] and my friend he said that it suddenly didn't work [11:06] at the same time my laptop is saying me that i don't have enough space [11:06] do you use byobu, by any chance? [11:06] ah [11:07] hmmm no idea, sorry [11:07] that would explain it [11:07] it can't write to logs, etc, so it is failing to log in [11:07] but in order to delete things i would need the access to my account?? [11:07] you're going to have to press ctrl+alt+f1, to go to a terminal [11:07] then you can log in [11:07] i tried [11:07] it doesn't worked [11:08] in which can, reboot, and when the boot options come up, select advanced options, and then pick recovery mode [11:08] ok i was on the recovery mode [11:08] and then? [11:08] in there, it might ask you if you want to clean up dpkg? [11:09] dpkg/apt [11:09] it says if i wanna clean my data system [11:09] do you mean that? [11:09] yup [11:09] i already tried this one [11:09] nothing happened [11:09] I don't know what it does, so be careful [11:09] ok, can you drop to root shell prompt for me? [11:10] how? [11:10] in the same recovery mode thing [11:10] by the way it's funny to chat with uk from germany :) [11:10] but if i go out now, i would need to leave this chat [11:10] how are you in this chat then? [11:10] if you can't log in [11:11] from my laptop from the guest account [11:11] ok [11:11] the guest account is working [11:11] ok, is there something which you know you can delete? [11:12] specifically in your account [11:12] the problem is that i never used the guest account but i cut out the programmes and insert on a disk driver [11:12] ah i forgot the english word for that [11:12] then i tried again and it didn't work [11:13] so do you have disk space now or not? [11:14] i should have more yes [11:14] because there are not there anymore [11:15] ok [11:15] can I ask if you've tried #ubuntu-de? [11:15] how and where i can try? [11:16] you mean on the chat? [11:16] yup [11:16] it might be easier for you talking in your native tongue [11:17] yes i will try that thank you anyway [11:17] i didn't know about this chat, i thought it is only in the uk [11:20] emi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList [11:21] thank you so much!!! [11:21] i am in contact now with one from germany [11:21] best wishes, emi [11:22] :) [11:28] I have to wonder how do they even end up on the channel [11:30] https://twitter.com/ktalbot21/status/331712272760176641/photo/1 made me chuckle [11:38] well quite [12:28] 1 [12:28] yes, 1 [12:28] 1 [12:28] argh [12:29] some please put compiz out of it's misery. please? [12:31] sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, done :) [12:33] can anyone come to the meetups? do I have to sign up someplace? [12:34] what meetup? [12:36] oh sorry, i meant things like the install party [12:36] sure, you can just turn up [12:37] there's normally something on the loco events page though [12:37] can't believe i realised locos exist only about a month back :| [12:38] doesn't look like there's an offical uk install event at the moment [12:39] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ [12:41] not at the moment, but there was one a couple of weeks back: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/ [12:41] yup [12:41] I was there [12:41] was fun [12:41] is it just people sitting around in a pub and talking ubuntu and life? [12:42] or do people bring along laptops and do live installs or demos or some such? [12:42] depends on the event [12:43] as popey said [12:43] it's mostly about the drinking [12:43] good stuff.. [12:45] "Life? Don't talk to me about life..." - Marvin [12:46] are terrified newbs subjected to hazing..? [12:46] nope [12:47] no, only the over-confident ones ;) [12:48] no danger of that happening :D [12:50] dwatkins: got the tar and feathers ;) [13:14] is it possible to get adblock to block the dailymail sidebar of shame? [13:14] but yet read the story in question? [13:15] i never look at the sidebar [13:15] its all bewbs [13:15] its hard not to [13:16] i manage it ☻ [13:18] that's known in here as the 'cracknav' [13:19] (I don't work for the DM, thankfully) === RadiumCat is now known as RadiumCat[bbl] [14:37] https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/kitten-block/ [14:38] oooh, nemo is no longer a dependancy for cinnamon === RadiumCat[bbl] is now known as RadiumCat [14:49] help, dns is broken since i upgraded to 10.04 :( [14:50] it now only works if i ifdown ; ifup, maybe because i am using /network/interfaces and not the NetworkManager [14:52] hi gordonf [14:52] hi popey [14:53] just so you know, 10.04 goes out of support in 2 days ☻ [14:53] oh really? [14:53] oh kay [14:53] however, your dns should work [14:53] what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ? [14:53] it should list your nameservers [14:53] i installed resolvconf and it is the google nameservers [14:54] what did it have before you did your ifdown/ifup? [14:54] but after a reboot, no go with any dns, until i ifdown/ifup [14:54] not sure [14:54] i can reboot to find out [14:55] well, I wonder if you need to populate it [14:55] which you could via your custom /etc/network/interfaces I believe [14:55] if you dont want to use network-manager [14:55] the interfaces file has dns-nameservers [14:55] ooh [14:56] interesting [14:56] i provided that amongst other things, after all day trying to persist the machines dns [14:58] i also provided nameservers in the resolf.conf.d/base [14:58] I dont know the answer then, sorry. [14:58] its broke isnt it? [14:58] what is problem? [14:58] popey: Presumably you mean 10.04 desktop [14:58] not server? [14:59] dns on 10.04 is broke [14:59] what else is new? [14:59] gordonf: is it a desktop or server? [14:59] TheOpenSourcerer: I did [14:59] popey, a bit of both [14:59] hah [14:59] ! [15:00] i've still got a couple of people on 10.04 :/ [15:00] * gordonf looks sheepishly sideways [15:00] although there is no network manager to speak of visible on the desktop [15:01] i could script a cronjob @reboot to ifdown/ifup that may fix it [15:02] i have just installed mogodb, its ace [15:02] and fetchmail, and would like an mda to parse my emails and insert certain data into a mongo db [15:03] fetchmail failings alerted me to the dns bork, so, spent all day trying to fix that [15:03] man resolvconf [15:03] k [15:09] resolv.conf, that is ;) [15:10] yeah, before i installed resolvconf dns was broken [15:36] oh not clever. our new install image has the language set to Irish (Ireland) not English (Ireland). (ga_IE vs en_IE). I see their logic, but .. oops [15:41] I have a question: debian was in freeze for quite a while. Did that affect the packages that ubuntu pulled in from upstream? [15:41] or do the packages come from unstable? === sam_nazarko is now known as Guest11513 [16:02] SuperMatt: No, those packages come from unstable [16:02] SuperMatt: But the progress of packages through unstable slows during the freeze because packages don't progress to testing [16:03] ta === GentileBen is now known as [][[[[]]][[][ === [][[[[]]][[][ is now known as GentileBen [19:21] Nowt to do with Ubuntu, i know - but I take it ppl here have seen what's airing at 9... [19:26] alcockell: nope? [19:27] Prize bellends showing themselves up after a Prokofiev intro? [19:27] The country's "business elite" showing why we're belting towards a lee shore? [19:28] Apprentice is back on the air. [19:28] oh, not amazing wedding cakes on the food network then? :-p [19:29] australia are searching for their next top model on sky livingit [19:30] the children's channels are all simulcasting a very long film called "close", too, accoding to radiotimes.com [19:33] close but no cigar? [20:13] Evening peeps [20:18] pip pip [20:21] double fine bundle! [20:23] "meh" [20:23] popey: meh to you too [20:23] meh? clearly you hate games [20:29] Is it worth $35 for Broken Age? I have Psychonauts and I'm not sure about the others [20:34] lol @ lxc-gentoo script: (PS: Unix hackers with a conscience do not work for morally corrupt corporations or governments. Use your powers for good!) [20:34] who determines what constitutes "morally corrupt"? [20:36] you should look into json's licence sometime then. that'd give you a giggle. and a sore forehead [20:36] I recall that caused some trouble [20:38] lol @ json [20:38] I want to use it for my meelion dollar-making death-ray [20:39] the catch is, who on earth defines evil? I can control my light bulbs with json over http. is turning the lights on full at 3am evil? licence-violatingly evil? [20:39] .. json, obviously so that it is controllable by the public for instasmite [20:46] popey: ordering 2 2tb drives. Not sure what I'll do with the space though [20:47] p**n, woops. [20:48] pain? [20:48] nope. but maybe. [20:49] phun! [20:49] lol. [20:50] sorry, am being childish, i still giggle at liboobs. [20:51] shauno, douglas crockford defines evil. [20:51] shauno, *paypal employee* douglas crockford defines evil. === simpleirc is now known as kafe [21:09] hej:-) [21:41] hi [21:42] can any one help me install ubuntu on a 64gb usb === eva is now known as Guest81196 [21:42] and us all 64gb instead of just 4gb [21:42] i mean all of 64gb [21:42] please [21:42] ? [21:43] does anyone know how? [21:43] is anyone here [21:43] depends on what you want to achieve. [21:44] i just want to do a live but with 64gb persistant [21:44] with ubuntu [21:44] unetboobin. [21:44] unetbootin. [21:44] what that [21:44] !unetbootin [21:44] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [21:44] :) [21:44] i did that and it didn't help [21:44] i only limmited me to 4gb [21:44] i want to use 60gbs [21:45] is there any way? [21:45] install from a live cd, to the usb drive ? [21:46] i just want to have a usb that i can plug into any computer and boot ubuntu and have a 64gb hdd that i can save stuff on [21:48] will that work [21:48] i am not that good with linux i think i need someone to walk me threw it please [21:48] ok. how did you set up the usb stick in the first place? [21:49] i formated it already cause it didn't work [21:49] i been trying to do this for 3 days now it's very frusterating [21:50] use a 64GB drive, I formatted it with two partitions, one is 32GB ext3, and the rest is NTFS. I actually used Ubuntu to 'create a USB startup disk' - so I have a 32GB Ubuntu system partition that I can boot on any computer that has an option in BIOS for booting from USB, so I never need to use Windows on other people's computers. [21:50] but it didn't work [21:50] i had to do 32gb cuase it was fat32 [21:51] but i want to do all 64gb [21:51] a usb startup disk, as standard isnt persistant. [21:51] i don't know the correct terms [21:52] all i want is just a portible usb that i can plug into any computer and us ubuntu on and have access and i can have saved and us all 64gbs [21:52] directhex: similerly to debian, doesnt ubuntu have a from install, ability app, to create another install. ? [21:52] i have no idea? [21:52] i am a noob [21:52] well, there's debootstrap... [21:53] ubiquity is installable in apt [21:53] here in debian, there is an app, to create an install from itself.? [21:53] ??? [21:54] !info ubiquity unstable [21:54] Package ubiquity does not exist in unstable [21:54] !info ubiquity [21:54] ubiquity (source: ubiquity): Ubuntu live CD installer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.12.16 (quantal), package size 4728 kB, installed size 15193 kB [21:54] !info [21:54] ? [21:55] !liveusb [21:55] For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent [21:57] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick i did that and all i got was 4gb? [21:57] how do i do that to get 64GB [21:57] see the second link [21:59] cant you just increase in unetbootin, the persistance to cover the whole thing?. [21:59] so just use UNetbootin [21:59] ? [22:02] it won't let me do 64gb? [22:03] can some one help me please? [22:07] Guest81196: what do you mean by 'do 64 GB', please? [22:07] i mean i want to have a 64gb hdd that ubuntu can use on my usb [22:07] How large is your USB device? [22:07] 64gb [22:08] everytime i do it i only get 4gb [22:08] What filesystem are you using on it? [22:08] windows [22:08] or ubuntu [22:08] I mean the type of partition, FAT32? [22:08] i tryed fat32 [22:08] and ntfs [22:08] ext3 [22:10] but nothing works : ( [22:10] I wasn't aware you could use anything but FAT with unetbootin; the limitation of FAT32 is what's limiting your persistent filesystem to 4GB. [22:10] what do i do then? [22:10] make it ntfs [22:10] ? [22:11] Does the link cited mention NTFS? I've not read it through yet. [22:11] it said that 4gb is the limmit [22:11] I wouldn't be surprised if that's because FAT32 is the only supported filesystem, or the one with the largest single file size limit. [22:11] May I ask why you need more than 4GB on a bootable USB drive? [22:12] i want to use it like a desktop [22:12] i just do [22:12] i got lots of music [22:12] video files [22:12] i got around 40gbs [22:12] of stuff i want to put on it and other work files [22:12] You'll probably find after making a fair amount of changes to it, that it becomes rather slow reading from the USB device; you can, however, store your video and music somewhere else. [22:13] OT but mildly humorous : http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/04/26/unfortunate-publishing-layouts-of-our-time/ [22:13] How about a bootable USB stick that's fairly small, perhaps xbmcbuntu, and a separate stick for media? [22:13] yeah but i want everything stored on the usb and used on the os on the usb [22:13] it is usb 3.0 so it should be ok right? [22:13] Guest81196: you could have a 2nd partition on the 64GB USB device with the media in it [22:13] Guest81196: is the device USB 3.0 compatible? [22:13] i tryed that and then ubuntu couldn't boot but i don't think i did that right [22:13] yes [22:14] cool, what is it? [22:14] how do i put a 2nd partition on a usb? [22:14] and still have it bootable [22:14] carefully [22:14] if i could have a 2nd partion that is like 60gbs or so around that be great [22:15] should work, just make sure the first partition is FAT32 so you can put a bootable environment in it with unetbootin, perhaps make a small persistent file (1 or 2 GB in size) in case you need to install drivers for the sound card, wifi etc., and a secondary partition of whatever type you want (assuming Ubuntu and whatever OS you use can see it) [22:16] so i can save music to the 2nd partition [22:16] in theory yeah [22:16] and it will stay there? [22:16] ok can someone walk me threw how to do this please [22:16] yeah, it'll be independant from the first partition with the bootable Ubuntu installation [22:16] so is the first partion primary or [22:17] I'm not going to be awake for long, you can probably ask on #ubuntu and get help there, but a lot of it is documented on the wiki. [22:17] so is the 1st partiton primary [22:17] both would be primary partitions, there's no need for extended partitions, as you don't have more than four of them. [22:17] ook [22:18] so both primary [22:18] no logical [22:18] indeed [22:18] ok thanks [22:18] What tool are you partitioning with? [22:19] easeus partition master [22:19] ok i have 2 partitons that are primary [22:19] Not used it, obviously make sure you have a backup of any important data etc.etc. [22:20]