[06:44] <popey> Morning
[06:52] <MooDoo> hello all
[06:52] <MooDoo> how was your trip popey ?
[06:54] <popey> Great! Just about recovered from jet lag this morning
[07:08] <dwatkins> ahoy
[07:08] <MooDoo> ello
[07:08]  * dwatkins finally published something after a few years and a little while messing around with the Arduino
[07:09] <dwatkins> in case anyone's curious about pulse-width modulation: PIC Programming - Introduction
[07:09] <dwatkins> oops
[07:09] <dwatkins> that https://github.com/glymph/Arduino/tree/Colour_changing_LEDs
[08:17] <Laney> MEOW
[08:19] <MooDoo> moo
[08:19] <jpds> Laney: No.
[08:20] <Laney> Oh. :(
[08:45] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Long Weekend Confusion Day! :-D
[08:45] <MooDoo> now you made that one up ;)
[08:45] <SuperMatt> I would happily belive it's real
[08:47] <JamesTait> MooDoo, you're right, I did.  But as SuperMatt says, it should be a thing.
[08:47] <SuperMatt> indeed
[08:47] <SuperMatt> and there will be another one in a couple of weeks
[08:47] <popey> After watching Django Unchained both on the flight out to SFO and again on the way back I think I have a man crush on Christoph Waltz! ☻
[08:48] <JamesTait> It could just as easily be Sunburn Suffering Day, or Gardening Aches Day. ;)
[08:49] <popey> For me it's "get over jetlag day"
[08:49] <popey> went walking yesterday and slept last night from 9pm till 7am this morning
[08:49] <popey> zonked out completely
[08:49] <Laney> i watched cloud atlas on the flight
[08:50] <Laney> quite liked it
[08:51] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:52] <JamesTait> popey, how was your week? Exciting, from what I've heard.
[08:52] <JamesTait> And tiring, I expect.
[08:57] <popey> it was
[08:57]  * popey upgrades a vm to saucy
[08:59] <SuperMatt> I've already upgraded my laptop
[09:04] <Myrtti> popey: http://gifrific.com/colonel-hans-landa-dancing-in-his-chair/
[09:09] <popey> :D
[09:33] <SuperMatt> You k now, I quite like that feeling I get when I had one error message, and now I get a new one
[10:00] <SuperMatt> hmm... do you know what unity could do with? an in built terminal emulator
[10:02] <SuperMatt> like guake
[10:03] <Nafallo> not sure. feels like Ubuntu is trying to get us NOT to use the terminal... wouldn't building one in seem like a step backward?
[10:03] <brobostigon> gnome-terminal should still be there? shouldnt it.
[10:03] <Myrtti> I know this is very annoying and so on, but just to keep the few remaining friendships I have in the Ubuntu community remaining, I'll just resort to the same old line of "I was going to say something, but my brain told me hitting enter was a bad idea, so nevermind" - oh but Nafallo said it better too.
[10:04] <Myrtti> so w/e ;-)
[10:05] <SuperMatt> I just think it would be a nice extension to alt+f2, because you might actually want to quickly see the output of a command
[10:06] <mgdm> I'm sure i once had a plugin or app that did that
[10:06] <mgdm> you hit something+~ and the terminal appeared
[10:06] <SuperMatt> yeah, that's guake (I think)
[10:06] <Nafallo> as a power user, this should be an easy to fix problem ;-)
[10:06] <mgdm> SuperMatt: Oh, I thoughtyou meant quake, heh
[10:07] <SuperMatt> :P
[10:07] <Myrtti> guake, tilda, there's plenty of them
[10:07] <SuperMatt> yeah yeah
[10:07] <SuperMatt> I just wonder if it'd be cool to be in unity, with unity styling
[10:08] <popey> it would, yes
[10:13]  * SuperMatt thinks the networking indicator needs a redesign - specifically to show IP address
[10:13] <SuperMatt> though I assume that'd probably come with unity next
[10:13] <popey> it does show IP
[10:13] <popey> click "connection information"
[10:14] <SuperMatt> yeah yeah, but I kind figure it should just be there, at the top
[10:14] <Laney> :( :( :( :( spotify doesn't work for me on saucy :( :( :( :(
[10:14] <popey> why?
[10:14] <Laney> "GUI deadlock"
[10:14] <popey> in general most people rarely need to know their own IP address
[10:14] <SuperMatt> very true
[10:15] <SuperMatt> but when people *do* need it, a single click would be useful
[10:15] <popey> pfft
[10:15] <popey> its two clicks
[10:15] <SuperMatt> well yeah
[10:15] <popey> in fact it's one
[10:15] <SuperMatt> you put it like that :P
[10:15] <popey> click and hold the indicator, drag down to connection information, let go = one click
[10:15]  * SuperMatt nods
[10:15] <popey> Laney: the guys in #spotify are quite helpful
[10:16] <popey> and the linux version is a pet home project of one of them, not a "supported" client sadly
[10:16] <popey> (unless things have changed since I last asked)
[10:18] <SuperMatt> if only more employees of service providers like that decided to do "pet home projects"
[10:18] <Laney> well, it at least means that i'm definitely paying them cash prize moneys
[10:19] <Laney> i'll check with them soon, ta for the info
[10:19] <Laney> just heard a load of post come through the door
[10:20] <Laney> 5 leaflets, 1 spam newspaper and a newsletter from the council
[10:20] <Myrtti> so, has the common opinion on Google Pixel vs. Dell XPS13 changed recently? I think that my old Latitude D630 is on its last legs (the replacement keyboard I installed on it less than a year ago is breaking and I suspect it's because it probably wasn't genuine replacement part) and I'm afraid I'm forced to look at getting a new laptop. Is there any other fairly Linux compatible good bang for buck laptops around?
[10:20] <Laney> yippee
[10:22] <Myrtti> I fixed the issue with the keyboard (probably temporarily) last night with some tissue paper and super glue
[10:36] <popey> Myrtti: macbook air? ☻
[10:36] <Myrtti> popey: is it cheaper than either the Dell or Pixel?
[10:37] <popey> i dont know how much either of those devices cost
[10:37] <Myrtti> around 1060
[10:37] <Myrtti> give or take few tenners
[10:38] <popey> 1249
[10:38] <Myrtti> zoink
[10:38] <popey> http://store.apple.com/uk/configure/MD212B/A?
[10:38] <Myrtti> yeah, no.
[10:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[10:40] <Myrtti> I can't even justify the Pixel/XPS13 price for myself
[10:41] <MooDoo> wow how expensive
[10:58] <Myrtti> *sigh* I think all the keys are pretty much about to jump for freedom
[11:04] <emi> help with login
[11:04] <emi> hey there i a have a problem with my login
[11:04] <emi> can anyone help me?
[11:04] <emi> i am not an expert
[11:04] <SuperMatt> what's the issue?
[11:05] <emi> hi matt!
[11:05] <emi> i left my laptop with a friend, when i came home to login it didn't work
[11:06] <SuperMatt> ok, tell us exactly what you see
[11:06] <emi> it didn't say that the password is wrong but showed first a black window and then came back to place where i can login
[11:06] <emi> and my friend he said that it suddenly didn't work
[11:06] <emi> at the same time my laptop is saying me that i don't have enough space
[11:06] <SuperMatt> do you use byobu, by any chance?
[11:06] <SuperMatt> ah
[11:07] <emi> hmmm no idea, sorry
[11:07] <SuperMatt> that would explain it
[11:07] <SuperMatt> it can't write to logs, etc, so it is failing to log in
[11:07] <emi> but in order to delete things i would need the access to my account??
[11:07] <SuperMatt> you're going to have to press ctrl+alt+f1, to go to a terminal
[11:07] <SuperMatt> then you can log in
[11:07] <emi> i tried
[11:07] <emi> it doesn't worked
[11:08] <SuperMatt> in which can, reboot, and when the boot options come up, select advanced options, and then pick recovery mode
[11:08] <emi> ok i was on the recovery mode
[11:08] <emi> and then?
[11:08] <SuperMatt> in there, it might ask you if you want to clean up dpkg?
[11:09] <SuperMatt> dpkg/apt
[11:09] <emi> it says if i wanna clean my data system
[11:09] <emi> do you mean that?
[11:09] <SuperMatt> yup
[11:09] <emi> i already tried this one
[11:09] <emi> nothing happened
[11:09] <SuperMatt> I don't know what it does, so be careful
[11:09] <SuperMatt> ok, can you drop to root shell prompt for me?
[11:10] <emi> how?
[11:10] <SuperMatt> in the same recovery mode thing
[11:10] <emi> by the way it's funny to chat with uk from germany :)
[11:10] <emi> but if i go out now, i would need to leave this chat
[11:10] <SuperMatt> how are you in this chat then?
[11:10] <SuperMatt> if you can't log in
[11:11] <emi> from my laptop from the guest account
[11:11] <SuperMatt> ok
[11:11] <emi> the guest account is working
[11:11] <SuperMatt> ok, is there something which you know you can delete?
[11:12] <SuperMatt> specifically in your account
[11:12] <emi> the problem is that i never used the guest account but i cut out the programmes and insert on a disk driver
[11:12] <emi> ah i forgot the english word for that
[11:12] <emi> then i tried again and it didn't work
[11:13] <SuperMatt> so do you have disk space now or not?
[11:14] <emi> i should have more yes
[11:14] <emi> because there are not there anymore
[11:15] <SuperMatt> ok
[11:15] <SuperMatt> can I ask if you've tried #ubuntu-de?
[11:15] <emi> how and where i can try?
[11:16] <emi> you mean on the chat?
[11:16] <SuperMatt> yup
[11:16] <SuperMatt> it might be easier for you talking in your native tongue
[11:17] <emi> yes i will try that thank you anyway
[11:17] <emi> i didn't know about this chat, i thought it is only in the uk
[11:20] <MooDoo> emi: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[11:21] <emi> thank you so much!!!
[11:21] <emi> i am in contact now with one from germany
[11:21] <emi> best wishes, emi
[11:22] <MooDoo> :)
[11:28] <Myrtti> I have to wonder how do they even end up on the channel
[11:30] <popey> https://twitter.com/ktalbot21/status/331712272760176641/photo/1  made me chuckle
[11:38] <dwatkins> well quite
[12:28] <ali1234> 1
[12:28] <ali1234> yes, 1
[12:28] <ali1234> 1
[12:28] <ali1234> argh
[12:29] <ali1234> some please put compiz out of it's misery. please?
[12:31] <brobostigon> sudo apt-get install gnome-shell, done :)
[12:33] <shrik> can anyone come to the meetups? do I have to sign up someplace?
[12:34] <SuperMatt> what meetup?
[12:36] <shrik> oh sorry, i meant things like the install party
[12:36] <SuperMatt> sure, you can just turn up
[12:37] <SuperMatt> there's normally something on the loco events page though
[12:37] <shrik> can't believe i realised locos exist only about a month back :|
[12:38] <SuperMatt> doesn't look like there's an offical uk install event at the moment
[12:39] <SuperMatt> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/
[12:41] <shrik> not at the moment, but there was one a couple of weeks back: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/
[12:41] <SuperMatt> yup
[12:41] <SuperMatt> I was there
[12:41] <SuperMatt> was fun
[12:41] <shrik> is it just people sitting around in a pub and talking ubuntu and life?
[12:42] <shrik> or do people bring along laptops and do live installs or demos or some such?
[12:42] <popey> depends on the event
[12:43] <SuperMatt> as popey said
[12:43] <SuperMatt> it's mostly about the drinking
[12:43] <shrik> good stuff..
[12:45] <dwatkins> "Life? Don't talk to me about life..." - Marvin
[12:46] <shrik> are terrified newbs subjected to hazing..?
[12:46] <SuperMatt> nope
[12:47] <dwatkins> no, only the over-confident ones ;)
[12:48] <shrik> no danger of that happening :D
[12:50] <MooDoo> dwatkins: got the tar and feathers ;)
[13:14] <mungbean> is it possible to get adblock to block the dailymail sidebar of shame?
[13:14] <mungbean> but yet read the story in question?
[13:15] <popey> i never look at the sidebar
[13:15] <mungbean> its all bewbs
[13:15] <mungbean> its hard not to
[13:16] <popey> i manage it ☻
[13:18] <mgdm> that's known in here as the 'cracknav'
[13:19] <mgdm> (I don't work for the DM, thankfully)
[14:37] <Laney> https://addons.mozilla.org/En-us/firefox/addon/kitten-block/
[14:38] <SuperMatt> oooh, nemo is no longer a dependancy for cinnamon
[14:49] <gordonf> help, dns is broken since i upgraded to 10.04 :(
[14:50] <gordonf> it now only works if i ifdown ; ifup, maybe because i am using /network/interfaces and not the NetworkManager
[14:52] <popey> hi gordonf
[14:52] <gordonf> hi popey
[14:53] <popey> just so you know, 10.04 goes out of support in 2 days ☻
[14:53] <SuperMatt> oh really?
[14:53] <gordonf> oh kay
[14:53] <popey> however, your dns should work
[14:53] <popey> what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf ?
[14:53] <popey> it should list your nameservers
[14:53] <gordonf> i installed resolvconf and it is the google nameservers
[14:54] <popey> what did it have before you did your ifdown/ifup?
[14:54] <gordonf> but after a reboot, no go with any dns, until i ifdown/ifup
[14:54] <gordonf> not sure
[14:54] <gordonf> i can reboot to find out
[14:55] <popey> well, I wonder if you need to populate it
[14:55] <popey> which you could via your custom /etc/network/interfaces I believe
[14:55] <popey> if you dont want to use network-manager
[14:55] <gordonf> the interfaces file has dns-nameservers
[14:55] <popey> ooh
[14:56] <popey> interesting
[14:56] <gordonf> i provided that amongst other things, after all day trying to persist the machines dns
[14:58] <gordonf> i also provided nameservers in the resolf.conf.d/base
[14:58] <popey> I dont know the answer then, sorry.
[14:58] <gordonf> its broke isnt it?
[14:58] <ali1234> what is problem?
[14:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Presumably you mean 10.04 desktop
[14:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> not server?
[14:59] <gordonf> dns on 10.04 is broke
[14:59] <ali1234> what else is new?
[14:59] <popey> gordonf: is it a desktop or server?
[14:59] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: I did
[14:59] <gordonf> popey, a bit of both
[14:59] <popey> hah
[14:59] <gordonf> !
[15:00] <directhex> i've still got a couple of people on 10.04 :/
[15:00]  * gordonf looks sheepishly sideways
[15:00] <gordonf> although there is no network manager to speak of visible on the desktop
[15:01] <gordonf> i could script a cronjob @reboot to ifdown/ifup that may fix it
[15:02] <gordonf> i have just installed mogodb, its ace
[15:02] <gordonf> and fetchmail, and would like an mda to parse my emails and insert certain data into a mongo db
[15:03] <gordonf> fetchmail failings alerted me to the dns bork, so, spent all day trying to fix that
[15:03] <jacobw> man resolvconf
[15:03] <gordonf> k
[15:09] <dwatkins> resolv.conf, that is ;)
[15:10] <gordonf> yeah, before i installed resolvconf dns was broken
[15:36] <shauno> oh not clever.  our new install image has the language set to Irish (Ireland) not English (Ireland). (ga_IE vs en_IE).  I see their logic, but .. oops
[15:41] <SuperMatt> I have a question: debian was in freeze for quite a while. Did that affect the packages that ubuntu pulled in from upstream?
[15:41] <SuperMatt> or do the packages come from unstable?
[16:02] <jacobw> SuperMatt: No, those packages come from unstable
[16:02] <jacobw> SuperMatt: But the progress of packages through unstable slows during the freeze because packages don't progress to testing
[16:03] <SuperMatt> ta
[19:21] <alcockell> Nowt to do with Ubuntu, i know - but I take it ppl here have seen what's airing at 9...
[19:26] <popey> alcockell: nope?
[19:27] <alcockell> Prize bellends showing themselves up after a Prokofiev intro?
[19:27] <alcockell> The country's "business elite" showing why we're belting towards a lee shore?
[19:28] <alcockell> Apprentice is back on the air.
[19:28] <diddledan> oh, not amazing wedding cakes on the food network then? :-p
[19:29] <diddledan> australia are searching for their next top model on sky livingit
[19:30] <diddledan> the children's channels are all simulcasting a very long film called "close", too, accoding to radiotimes.com
[19:33] <ali1234> close but no cigar?
[20:13] <bigcalm> Evening peeps
[20:18] <popey> pip pip
[20:21] <directhex> double fine bundle!
[20:23] <popey> "meh"
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> popey: meh to you too
[20:23] <directhex> meh? clearly you hate games
[20:29] <bigcalm> Is it worth $35 for Broken Age? I have Psychonauts and I'm not sure about the others
[20:34] <diddledan> lol @ lxc-gentoo script: (PS: Unix hackers with a conscience do not work for morally corrupt corporations or governments. Use your powers for good!)
[20:34] <diddledan> who determines what constitutes "morally corrupt"?
[20:36] <shauno> you should look into json's licence sometime then.  that'd give you a giggle.  and a sore forehead
[20:36] <bigcalm> I recall that caused some trouble
[20:38] <diddledan> lol @ json
[20:38] <diddledan> I want to use it for my meelion dollar-making death-ray
[20:39] <shauno> the catch is, who on earth defines evil?  I can control my light bulbs with json over http.  is turning the lights on full at 3am evil?  licence-violatingly evil?
[20:39] <diddledan> .. json, obviously so that it is controllable by the public for instasmite
[20:46] <bigcalm> popey: ordering 2 2tb drives. Not sure what I'll do with the space though
[20:47] <brobostigon> p**n, woops.
[20:48] <bigcalm> pain?
[20:48] <brobostigon> nope. but maybe.
[20:49] <bigcalm> phun!
[20:49] <brobostigon> lol.
[20:50] <brobostigon> sorry, am being childish, i still giggle at liboobs.
[20:51] <directhex> shauno, douglas crockford defines evil.
[20:51] <directhex> shauno, *paypal employee* douglas crockford defines evil.
[21:09] <kafe> hej:-)
[21:41] <eva> hi
[21:42] <eva> can any one help me install ubuntu on a 64gb usb
[21:42] <Guest81196> and us all 64gb instead of just 4gb
[21:42] <Guest81196> i mean all of 64gb
[21:42] <Guest81196> please
[21:42] <Guest81196> ?
[21:43] <Guest81196> does anyone know how?
[21:43] <Guest81196> is anyone here
[21:43] <brobostigon> depends on what you want to achieve.
[21:44] <Guest81196> i just want to do a live but with 64gb persistant
[21:44] <Guest81196> with ubuntu
[21:44] <brobostigon> unetboobin.
[21:44] <brobostigon> unetbootin.
[21:44] <Guest81196> what that
[21:44] <bigcalm> !unetbootin
[21:44] <brobostigon> :)
[21:44] <Guest81196> i did that and it didn't help
[21:44] <Guest81196> i only limmited me to 4gb
[21:44] <Guest81196> i want to use 60gbs
[21:45] <Guest81196> is there any way?
[21:45] <brobostigon> install from a live cd, to the usb drive ?
[21:46] <Guest81196> i just want to have a usb that i can plug into any computer and boot ubuntu and have a 64gb hdd that i can save stuff on
[21:48] <Guest81196> will that work
[21:48] <Guest81196> i am not that good with linux i think i need someone to walk me threw it please
[21:48] <directhex> ok. how did you set up the usb stick in the first place?
[21:49] <Guest81196> i formated it already cause it didn't work
[21:49] <Guest81196> i been trying to do this for 3 days now it's very frusterating
[21:50] <Guest81196>  use a 64GB drive, I formatted it with two partitions, one is 32GB ext3, and the rest is NTFS. I actually used Ubuntu to 'create a USB startup disk' - so I have a 32GB Ubuntu system partition that I can boot on any computer that has an option in BIOS for booting from USB, so I never need to use Windows on other people's computers.
[21:50] <Guest81196> but it didn't work
[21:50] <Guest81196> i had to do 32gb cuase it was fat32
[21:51] <Guest81196> but i want to do all 64gb
[21:51] <brobostigon> a usb startup disk, as standard isnt persistant.
[21:51] <Guest81196> i don't know the correct terms
[21:52] <Guest81196> all i want is just a portible usb that i can plug into any computer and us ubuntu on and have access and i can have saved and us all 64gbs
[21:52] <brobostigon> directhex: similerly to debian, doesnt ubuntu have a from install, ability app, to create another install. ?
[21:52] <Guest81196> i have no idea?
[21:52] <Guest81196> i am a noob
[21:52] <directhex> well, there's debootstrap...
[21:53] <diddledan> ubiquity is installable in apt
[21:53] <brobostigon> here in debian, there is an app, to create an install from itself.?
[21:53] <Guest81196> ???
[21:54] <brobostigon> !info ubiquity unstable
[21:54] <brobostigon> !info ubiquity
[21:54] <Guest81196> !info
[21:54] <Guest81196> ?
[21:55] <brobostigon> !liveusb
[21:57] <Guest81196> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick i did that and all i got was 4gb?
[21:57] <Guest81196> how do i do that to get 64GB
[21:57] <diddledan> see the second link
[21:59] <brobostigon> cant you just increase in unetbootin, the persistance to cover the whole thing?.
[21:59] <Guest81196> so just use UNetbootin
[21:59] <Guest81196> ?
[22:02] <Guest81196> it won't let me do 64gb?
[22:03] <Guest81196> can some one help me please?
[22:07] <dwatkins> Guest81196: what do you mean by 'do 64 GB', please?
[22:07] <Guest81196> i mean i want to have a 64gb hdd that ubuntu can use on my usb
[22:07] <dwatkins> How large is your USB device?
[22:07] <Guest81196> 64gb
[22:08] <Guest81196> everytime i do it i only get 4gb
[22:08] <dwatkins> What filesystem are you using on it?
[22:08] <Guest81196> windows
[22:08] <Guest81196> or ubuntu
[22:08] <dwatkins> I mean the type of partition, FAT32?
[22:08] <Guest81196> i tryed fat32
[22:08] <Guest81196> and ntfs
[22:08] <Guest81196> ext3
[22:10] <Guest81196> but nothing works : (
[22:10] <dwatkins> I wasn't aware you could use anything but FAT with unetbootin; the limitation of FAT32 is what's limiting your persistent filesystem to 4GB.
[22:10] <Guest81196> what do i do then?
[22:10] <Guest81196> make it ntfs
[22:10] <Guest81196> ?
[22:11] <dwatkins> Does the link cited mention NTFS? I've not read it through yet.
[22:11] <Guest81196> it said that 4gb is the limmit
[22:11] <dwatkins> I wouldn't be surprised if that's because FAT32 is the only supported filesystem, or the one with the largest single file size limit.
[22:11] <dwatkins> May I ask why you need more than 4GB on a bootable USB drive?
[22:12] <Guest81196> i want to use it like a desktop
[22:12] <Guest81196> i just do
[22:12] <Guest81196> i got lots of music
[22:12] <Guest81196> video files
[22:12] <Guest81196> i got around 40gbs
[22:12] <Guest81196> of stuff i want to put on it and other work files
[22:12] <dwatkins> You'll probably find after making a fair amount of changes to it, that it becomes rather slow reading from the USB device; you can, however, store your video and music somewhere else.
[22:13] <diddledan> OT but mildly humorous : http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2013/04/26/unfortunate-publishing-layouts-of-our-time/
[22:13] <dwatkins> How about a bootable USB stick that's fairly small, perhaps xbmcbuntu, and a separate stick for media?
[22:13] <Guest81196> yeah but i want everything stored on the usb and used on the os on the usb
[22:13] <Guest81196> it is usb 3.0 so it should be ok right?
[22:13] <dwatkins> Guest81196: you could have a 2nd partition on the 64GB USB device with the media in it
[22:13] <dwatkins> Guest81196: is the device USB 3.0 compatible?
[22:13] <Guest81196> i tryed that and then ubuntu couldn't boot but i don't think i did that right
[22:13] <Guest81196> yes
[22:14] <dwatkins> cool, what is it?
[22:14] <Guest81196> how do i put a 2nd partition on a usb?
[22:14] <Guest81196> and still have it bootable
[22:14] <dwatkins> carefully
[22:14] <Guest81196> if i could have a 2nd partion that is like 60gbs or so around that be great
[22:15] <dwatkins> should work, just make sure the first partition is FAT32 so you can put a bootable environment in it with unetbootin, perhaps make a small persistent file (1 or 2 GB in size) in case you need to install drivers for the sound card, wifi etc., and a secondary partition of whatever type you want (assuming Ubuntu and whatever OS you use can see it)
[22:16] <Guest81196> so i can save music to the 2nd partition
[22:16] <dwatkins> in theory yeah
[22:16] <Guest81196> and it will stay there?
[22:16] <Guest81196> ok can someone walk me threw how to do this please
[22:16] <dwatkins> yeah, it'll be independant from the first partition with the bootable Ubuntu installation
[22:16] <Guest81196> so is the first partion primary or
[22:17] <dwatkins> I'm not going to be awake for long, you can probably ask on #ubuntu and get help there, but a lot of it is documented on the wiki.
[22:17] <Guest81196> so is the 1st partiton primary
[22:17] <dwatkins> both would be primary partitions, there's no need for extended partitions, as you don't have more than four of them.
[22:17] <Guest81196> ook
[22:18] <Guest81196> so both primary
[22:18] <Guest81196> no logical
[22:18] <dwatkins> indeed
[22:18] <Guest81196> ok thanks
[22:18] <dwatkins> What tool are you partitioning with?
[22:19] <Guest81196> easeus partition master
[22:19] <Guest81196> ok i have 2 partitons that are primary
[22:19] <dwatkins> Not used it, obviously make sure you have a backup of any important data etc.etc.
[22:20] <Guest81196> the smaller partition is ntfs
[22:20] <dwatkins> why?
[22:20] <Guest81196> idk should i make it fat32?
[22:20] <dwatkins> yes please
[22:20] <Guest81196> ok
[22:20] <dwatkins> Do you have any video files over 4GB in size?
[22:21] <Guest81196> yes
[22:22] <Guest81196> also should i make the 2nd partition active?
[22:22] <dwatkins> No, the first partition should be the active one, I believe.
[22:23] <Guest81196> ok
[22:23] <dwatkins> I assume you currently have your videos on a Windows system, so you'll need to make the 2nd (larger) partition NTFS so it supports files larger than 4GB.
[22:23] <Guest81196> i am making the 2nd partition fat32
[22:23] <Guest81196> ok so both partitions are fat32?
[22:23] <dwatkins> If you use FAT32 for it, you won't be able to store videos over 4GB in size on it.
[22:23] <Guest81196> o
[22:24] <Guest81196> so make larger 1st partion ntfs
[22:24] <Guest81196> and smaller 2nd fat32
[22:24] <dwatkins> no, the first partition should be 4GB in size and FAT32, the second 60GB and NTFS.
[22:24] <Guest81196> o ok
[22:24] <dwatkins> You'll be booting from the first partition.
[22:24] <Guest81196> both primary right?
[22:24] <dwatkins> yes, both primary
[22:25] <Guest81196> and then after that i just install ubuntu?
[22:25] <Guest81196> on the 4gb 1st partition right
[22:25] <dwatkins> no, you'll need to use unetbootin to copy the contents of an Ubuntu ISO to the 1st partition on the USB stick
[22:26] <dwatkins> It's not quite the same as installing Ubuntu to it.
[22:26] <Guest81196> ok
[22:26] <Guest81196> and after that it should be all done and work?
[22:27] <dwatkins> I think so, yeah. Make sure you set a 2GB persistent filesystem with unetbootin, of course.
[22:27] <Guest81196> ok
[22:27] <Guest81196> but everything on the other partition will be saved right
[22:27] <Guest81196> and ubuntu can see the other partion?
[22:27] <dwatkins> The 2nd partition is independant of the 1st. Ubuntu should be able to see the 2nd partition after booting, yes.
[22:28] <dwatkins> Where is the media at the moment?
[22:29] <Guest81196> o ok
[22:29] <Guest81196> it is still partitoning
[22:29] <Guest81196> i amd making sure that i am formating it 10 times to make sure nothing is left alive
[22:30] <dwatkins> wow, that sounds like overkill ;)
[22:30] <Guest81196> last time i have readyboost from windows 7 on there and it fucked everything up
[22:30] <Guest81196> couldn't even read the usb on anything that took me a long time to fix
[22:30] <dwatkins> I've not used that, I assumed it just used the stick as a swap partition, and therefore wiped it.
[22:33] <Guest81196> yeah
[22:33] <Guest81196> i think so
[22:33] <Guest81196> so after parttioning it and doing all that i should be good?
[22:34] <dwatkins> yeah, to be honest I've not done this myself, but I've partitionned USB sticks before and used unetbootin plenty of times, so you should be ok.
[22:34] <dwatkins> I tend to be here most days, so might be able to help if you have problems.
[22:36] <dwatkins> Where are the videos and music files at the moment?
[22:39] <Guest81196> on my exsternal hdd
[22:39] <Guest81196> its 6tbs
[22:39] <Guest81196> i got 10tbs
[22:39] <Guest81196> total on my system
[22:40] <dwatkins> ok cool
[22:40] <dwatkins> Synology?
[22:41] <Guest81196> 3 intal hdd
[22:41] <Guest81196> runing raid
[22:41] <Guest81196> one exter hdd
[22:42] <diddledan> oh dear, syria has aparently disappeared from the internet
[22:42] <Guest81196> for real?
[22:42] <diddledan> http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013/05/07/syria-disappears-off-internet/
[22:48] <Guest81196> how much is 4gb in mg
[22:48] <Guest81196> i mean mb
[22:49] <diddledan> 4000
[22:49] <diddledan> or if it's MiB then 4096
[22:49] <Guest81196> thank you
[22:50] <Guest81196> ok done
[22:50] <Guest81196> thank you so much everyone
[22:50] <Guest81196> i am off to make it linux
[22:50] <Guest81196> i mean ubuntu
[22:50] <Guest81196> lol
[22:50] <dwatkins> welcome, Guest81196 :) good luck
[22:50] <diddledan> good luck
[22:50] <Guest81196> i got 2 partitions
[22:50]  * diddledan crosses his toes
[22:50] <Guest81196> 1st one is primary and 4gb
[22:50] <Guest81196> and fat32
[22:50] <Guest81196> 2nd one is primary and 60gb and ntfs
[22:51] <Guest81196> thats all good right?
[22:51] <Guest81196> which version of ubuntu should i put on?
[22:51] <Guest81196> the newist
[22:59] <dwatkins> Yeah
[22:59] <dwatkins> What kind of PC is it?
[23:00] <Guest81196> custum build
[23:00] <Guest81196> but what version of ubuntu should i put on
[23:00] <Guest81196> should i put on 13 or 12
[23:01] <dwatkins> 13, should have all the latest hardware compatability fixes
[23:01] <Guest81196> ok
[23:01] <dwatkins> 13.04, of course, the one that was recently released
[23:01] <Guest81196> and if i do this the usb and still do updates and stuff right?
[23:01] <dwatkins> I'd be wary of using it like a 'normal' installation like that
[23:02] <dwatkins> you'll run out of space very quickly
[23:03] <dwatkins> Perhaps look up how to just install security updates if you're paranoid, but since (presumably) the system won't be open to the internet, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.
[23:11] <Guest81196> o ok
[23:11] <Guest81196> so how should i use it
[23:11] <Guest81196> so i should do lte
[23:12] <dwatkins> use what, Guest81196?
[23:13] <Guest81196> linux 12 lte
[23:13] <Guest81196> i mean ubuntu 12 lte
[23:13] <Guest81196> or ubuntu 13
[23:13] <dwatkins> That's long-term support, LTE
[23:13] <Guest81196> yeah
[23:13] <Guest81196> which should i use
[23:13] <dwatkins> Are you expecting to need bugfixes and to be able to update it in several years' time?
[23:14] <dwatkins> Personally, I'd go with Ubuntu 13.04. I'd only bother sticking with LTE on a system that's a server.
[23:16] <Guest81196> o ok
[23:16] <Guest81196> thanks
[23:16] <dwatkins> It also stands the best chance of having an up-to-date NTFS driver.
[23:18] <Guest81196> o ok
[23:18] <Guest81196> so it will see the 2nd partition
[23:19] <dwatkins> should do, yeah
[23:19] <Guest81196> : )
[23:23] <Guest81196> : )
[23:55] <dwatkins> Guest81196: I didn't realise this, but you won't be able to access the 2nd partition if you put the USB stick into a Windows machine, sorry.
[23:55] <dwatkins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent states: "Windows will only mount the first partition of any removable media - which includes USB flash drives. While you can get around this, it requires some highly kludgy driver procedures, which you are unlikely to be able to pull off on any machine where you are not an admin."
[23:59] <ali1234> get two usb flash drives, this is the best way