[03:35] <katimaya> i'm trying to get x.org upgraded from 1.12.4 to 1.13.3 on xubuntu 13.04 ... do i really have to reinstall xubuntu-desktop and will i lose my settings if i do this?
[03:35] <[0gb_us]> I don't know if you have to do that, but I don[t think you'll lose your settings if you do.
[03:36] <[0gb_us]> THe settings are in your home directory, so they should be safe.
[03:36] <katimaya> when i go into synaptic xserver-xorg-core is set to 1.12.4 with makson ppa, i removed makson ppa but it didn't do anything, however if i use synaptic to force version to 1.13.3-0ubuntu6 (raring) then it says it will remove xubuntu-desktop
[03:36] <[0gb_us]> Back them up if you really want to be sure.
[03:37] <holstein> katimaya: just the metapackage?
[03:37] <trickyhero> i can't change my DNS server
[03:37] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, it sounds like you might need to reinstall. Maybe.
[03:37] <[0gb_us]> WHat are you doing to try to change DNS servers?
[03:38] <trickyhero> using the wizard
[03:38] <holstein> katimaya: you removed the ppa? or purged it?.. what are you trying to acomplish?
[03:38] <katimaya> well it says "mark additional required changes" and under "to be removed" it has xorg, xserver-xorg, various xserver-xorg-* packages, and xubuntu-desktop
[03:38] <trickyhero> it won'y let me save the change
[03:38] <trickyhero> *won't
[03:38] <katimaya> i'm trying to update from xorg 1.12.4 to 1.13.3
[03:38] <[0gb_us]> trickyhero, what wizard?
[03:38] <holstein> katimaya: xubuntu-desktop is just the metapackage AFAIK... shouldnt be removing xfce, correct?
[03:39] <katimaya> well apparently the makson ppa got purged when i upgraded from 12.10 to 13.04
[03:39] <holstein> katimaya: as long as you know how to get back.. try it
[03:39] <holstein> katimaya: either you have the PPA or not
[03:39] <[0gb_us]> You could always test in a VirtualBox.
[03:39] <katimaya> well worst case if i get dumped to a command line i can do "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"?
[03:40] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, that should work, if nothing is broken.
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[03:40] <holstein> katimaya: correct
[03:40] <holstein> katimaya: why are you trying to upgrade? what is wrong?
[03:40] <holstein> trickyhero: why are you trying to change DNS? why not do it at the router?
[03:41] <trickyhero> i want to use google's DNS
[03:41] <[0gb_us]> trickyhero, I don't even have a network connections option in my settings manager. I just looked. Are you on 13.04?
[03:41] <holstein> trickyhero: why not use them at the router?
[03:42] <katimaya> well i'm getting tearing in playing back vlc videos
[03:42] <katimaya> i don't get tearing in win7
[03:42] <holstein> katimaya: what driver?
[03:43] <holstein> katimaya: the windows driver support is really irrelevant
[03:43] <katimaya> nvidia 313.30
[03:43] <holstein> katimaya: are you using the proprietary drivers?
[03:43] <katimaya> i just noticed on software & updates it says it's the open source one, so i'm trying to change it to the proprietary one, it is just hanging on applying changes but i'll give it a while
[03:44] <katimaya> that might be the issue
[03:44] <holstein> trickyhero: https://developers.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using this explains how i would do it on my machine, in the linux section
[03:44] <holstein> !ati | katimaya if you need it for reference :)
[03:45] <trickyhero> yeah i tried that but it won't save
[03:45] <holstein> trickyhero: when i switched to opendns, i just did it at my gateway, so all the machines on my network use them
[03:45] <holstein> trickyhero: tried what and what wont save what?
[03:45] <katimaya> for some reason i thought the open source one was nouveau, not an official nvidia open source driver
[03:45] <katimaya> thanks for the link ubottu
[03:45] <trickyhero> the way they desribe it on that website
[03:46] <holstein> trickyhero: you can paste *exatly* the errors you are getting.. otherwise its challenging for the volunteers to know exatly what you are referencing
[03:47] <seronis> Q: how do i enable fading between wallpapers ?
[03:47] <[0gb_us]> Also, what version of Xubuntu are you using, trickyhero?
[03:47] <trickyhero> nevermind, it was just the default user restrictions
[03:47] <trickyhero> 13.04
[03:47] <[0gb_us]> Okay, glad you have it figured out.
[03:48] <trickyhero> thanks guys
[03:48] <holstein> seronis: do you have an example?
[03:48] <seronis> i have a set of images that properly shift on 10 minute intervals
[03:48] <seronis> but its an instant switch.  and i cant find a 'fade' option in the control panel
[03:49] <holstein> !info drapes
[03:50] <seronis> 2nd question.. why does the control panel show the names of dozens of unusable screen savers ?
[03:50] <holstein> !nfo gbackground
[03:50] <holstein> !info gbackground
[03:51] <holstein> seronis: how about gbackground ?
[03:51] <holstein> seronis: they are usable if you want to install them AFAIK
[03:51] <seronis> i'll look into it. but if its 'gnome' background wont that pull in a ton of dependancies?
[03:51] <[0gb_us]> Yeah, but they shouldn't be listed if they aren't even installed.
[03:51] <[0gb_us]> I noteced them too.
[03:52] <seronis> agreed.. its kind annoying having to scroll through UN usable stuff to get to the usable ones
[03:52] <[0gb_us]> Come to think of it, I have a tiny issue as well. I have screen lock set to kick in after some number of minutes that the computer has been idle. When the screen locks, the monitor goes black, but the backlight stays on. If the backlight is off when screenlock activates, the backlight turns back on. Is there a way to fix this?
[03:52] <holstein> seronis: i would expect some overhead with what you are looking for.. but, i dont think it will pull in anything much
[03:53] <seronis> holstein, thanks for the link.  i'll look into that package a bit and see if it will meet my needs
[03:53] <holstein> [0gb_us]: you can always look into graphics drivers
[03:53] <[0gb_us]> Graphics drivers mess with the backlight?
[03:54] <holstein> [0gb_us]: in my experience, the graphics driver can effect that functionality.. i have a via chip that i just dont bother with things like that on
[03:55] <[0gb_us]> Okay, thanks holstein!
[03:55] <katimaya> so, in software & updates|additional drivers, i switched from nvidia-313 (open source) to nvidia-313-updates (proprietary) and it has been applying changes for about 15 mins, is it broken or is it just downloading something from a slow server?
[03:58] <holstein> katimaya: i would wait til you cant wail anymore... nothing is "broken" though
[04:00] <seronis> i had to switch back to the xorg driver.  the  supposedly  (stable, tested) driver kept my steam games from loading and prevented me from compiling SFML code
[04:00] <katimaya> ok well i'll let it go for a half an hour or however long
[04:00] <katimaya> just seems odd that it's hanging with no sign of progress
[05:37] <mohsen_rashidi> hello every one.I have two media players and i want to make one them as my default but i don`t know how to do it in xubuntu.please guide me :)
[05:44] <mohsen_rashidi> hwy...nobody to answerme?
[05:46] <baizon> hmm
[05:48] <baizon> mohsen_rashidi: right-click the file, select properties and use Open with
[05:48] <baizon> --that should make it (the application) the default for that file type, eg .mp3, .html and so on..
[07:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> question about plymouth. needed? If my understanding is correct its just a boot splash thingus. I personally don't like them and like to be able to see the system boot and keep an eye out for problems asap.
[07:37] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: if you only want to see them once, you can ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f2 to the startup output
[07:37] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: Plymouth itself is needed, but you can edit /etc/default/grub  and take out "quiet splash" and add "text" in it's place.
[07:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: if I'm not mistaken that brings you to a tty, not my aim, I rather like the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[07:38] <ntzrmtthihu777> Unit193: ok, what about the xubuntu plymouth themes?
[07:38] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: no, i meant during startup
[07:39] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: text will bring you to the console, you might want to use "noplymouth" instead of "quiet splash"
[07:39] <Unit193> ntzrmtthihu777: In theory that'd be fine.
[07:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> ok, question. I know of the nosplash grub option, does noplymouth go beyond this?
[07:43] <koegs> nosplash is obsolete
[07:43] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: thankya
[07:43] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: and if you want the good old text-mode instead of hi-res textmode, you have to uncomment #GRUB_TERMINAL=console
[07:44] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: any difference in performance? tis my true goal here
[07:45] <koegs> nope
[07:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> Thankya.
[07:53] <ntzrmtthihu777> xubuntu-default-setttings, meta-package?
[07:54] <koegs> http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/xubuntu-default-settings
[07:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: been here for precise, no mention as to whether or not it is.
[07:57] <koegs> ntzrmtthihu777: a meta package is just a package to install a "set of packages", xubuntu-default-settings has actual files in it, so it is not a meta-package
[07:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> koegs: gotcha.
[07:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, I know what a meta is, like xubuntu-desktop. just wondering as to what is and is not essential.
[08:00] <ntzrmtthihu777> I don't suppose anyone has/knows of a comprehensive guide on creating lightdm-gtk greeters?
[08:21] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: what kind of greeter would you like to create? (and no, the gtk-greeter itself was designed as a reference/tutorial greeter)
[08:22] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: are you familiar with the game starcraft?\
[08:22] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: haven't played it for years
[08:23] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: Currently in a playthru. I was thinking along the line of the choose player dialog
[08:24] <ochosi> ntzrmtthihu777: well i got no clue what that looks like
[08:24] <ntzrmtthihu777> lemme see if I can find some pics
[08:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> hmm. perhaps I should make some of my own, google is not being my friend.
[08:37] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: something like dis: http://imagebin.org/256778
[08:41] <ochosi> it's not impossible to do that with lightdm
[08:41] <ochosi> but i'm uncertain whether the gtk-greeter is the best starting point
[08:42] <ochosi> i'd probably try the html backend or something like that
[08:46] <ntzrmtthihu777> ochosi: the metal supports and the screens slide in from the sides and out on login
[08:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> if that makes a difference.
[08:55] <IamJacksUsername> Is there a way to disable the login splash screen? It's scrambled, but I'm fine with a black splash screen. If not, where is there the loaded png si I can replace with a black pixel?
[08:56] <IamJacksUsername> 13.04.
[08:57] <IamJacksUsername> Web search said to look for plymouth or lightdm dirs, but I don't have them.
[08:58] <koegs> IamJacksUsername: do you mean the bootsplash, which is plymouth or the login-screen which is lightdm
[08:58] <IamJacksUsername> Where you type in your user password, with options to choose xubuntu or xfce sessions.
[09:01] <koegs> this is lightdm
[09:01] <IamJacksUsername> > /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm/gdmflexiserver
[09:03] <ntzrmtthihu777> k. later
[09:03] <IamJacksUsername> may be /lib/plymouth/themes/xubuntu-logo/xubuntu-greybird.png
[12:34] <kRush> hm, gmusicbrowser can't play opus?
[12:36] <TheSheep> it plays live_is_live.mp3 for me just fine
[12:36] <TheSheep> live_is_life.mp3
[12:36] <kRush> oO
[12:37] <TheSheep> sorry, couldn't resist :)
[14:04] <ochosi> TheSheep: harhar, nice one (i guess as an austrian i just have to love that one ;))
[14:13] <PeteyKun> Probably a very silly question, but my Xubuntu session panel (panel0) no longer appears "skinned" like it does after a xubuntu install
[14:13] <PeteyKun> It looks all grey
[14:13] <PeteyKun> Is there any way to fix this?
[14:15] <TheSheep> change the theme?
[14:15] <PeteyKun> No good
[14:15] <PeteyKun> Still grey
[14:15] <TheSheep> you can also use a solid color or image
[14:15] <TheSheep> in the panel prefernces in the appearance tab
[14:15] <PeteyKun> Yeah
[14:15] <PeteyKun> Is there a default image for it?
[14:15] <PeteyKun> Lurking somewhere
[14:15] <TheSheep> I don't think so
[14:16] <PeteyKun> Changing the color doesn't seem to replicate the default look
[14:17] <TheSheep> I'm looking for some screenshots, as I have mine customized since ages
[14:17] <TheSheep> hmm, on the screenshots it's just transparent
[14:17] <TheSheep> http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/precise_01.png
[14:17] <PeteyKun> Sure
[14:17] <PeteyKun> http://screencloud.net/v/zd1e
[14:17] <GridCube> PeteyKun, its composition enabled?
[14:17] <PeteyKun> Ah you meant the packaged style
[14:18] <PeteyKun> That's not really transparent, TheSheep, just a solid color
[14:18] <PeteyKun> GridCube: composition?
[14:18] <GridCube> yes the thing that makes things transparent
[14:18] <PeteyKun> As in Compiz?
[14:19] <GridCube> no
[14:20] <PeteyKun> http://screencloud.net/v/7uWG
[14:20] <PeteyKun> Enabled
[14:21] <GridCube> C:
[14:22] <GridCube> you should have transparencies settings now
[14:24] <PeteyKun> But I don't want transparency D:
[14:24] <PeteyKun> Want a panel like this
[14:24] <PeteyKun> http://xubuntu.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/precise_01.png
[14:24] <PeteyKun> What I have now: http://screencloud.net/v/pF3h
[14:25] <yourfriendarmand> right click on the panel -> panel sub menu -> preferences
[14:25] <PeteyKun> Okie
[14:25] <yourfriendarmand> appearance tab
[14:25] <yourfriendarmand> play with the slider options
[14:25] <PeteyKun> Yeah
[14:25] <PeteyKun> Is the default one really transparent?
[14:25] <yourfriendarmand> it isn't in my experience
[14:26] <Myrtti> depends on if you have composite on or not, IIRC
[14:26] <yourfriendarmand> look at your window manager tweaks settings under the composition tab and make sure there are not transparency options set
[14:26] <PeteyKun> It also has different colors for the selected window in the task switcher and all
[14:26] <yourfriendarmand> but I'd leave comp on, and at least remove the shadows. it works better especial with ati drivers
[14:26] <PeteyKun> hm
[14:27] <elfy> PeteyKun: did you install nvidia drivers by any chance - I get that when I install nvidia
[14:27] <GridCube> PeteyKun, if you want it to be transparent then it need to be set to full transparencies
[14:27] <PeteyKun> Nope, but I do have ATI
[14:27] <PeteyKun> I don't actually, GridCube
[14:27] <GridCube> if you want the top one to be black you need to be using greybird
[14:27] <yourfriendarmand> I get artifacts if I disable comp
[14:27] <PeteyKun> I am using greybird
[14:27] <GridCube> no you aint
[14:27] <PeteyKun> http://screencloud.net/v/uOL7
[14:27] <PeteyKun> yep I am
[14:27] <PeteyKun> lol
[14:28] <yourfriendarmand> select another theme and reselct greybird
[14:28] <PeteyKun> no change
[14:29] <yourfriendarmand> I would check for any .gtk* files and folders
[14:29] <yourfriendarmand> cat them for any color settings
[14:30] <yourfriendarmand> in the panel's appearance preferences, is the background for style set to none (use system) ?
[14:30] <PeteyKun> Yup
[14:31] <GridCube> PeteyKun, thats very weird, because you in fact are not using greybird
[14:31] <yourfriendarmand> can you create a new dummy panel and see what color it inherits?
[14:31] <PeteyKun> oh o.o
[14:31] <PeteyKun> Sure
[14:31] <GridCube> it looks like you are using some qt theme
[14:31] <GridCube> like from kde
[14:32] <PeteyKun> http://screencloud.net/v/KCy
[14:32] <PeteyKun> I do have KDE installed
[14:32] <GridCube> yeah thats not correct
[14:32] <GridCube> your theme its broken
[14:33] <PeteyKun> should I purge and reinstall it
[14:33] <GridCube> see your icons, they are qt'is, and decorations, buttons, everything its qtish
[14:33] <PeteyKun> Yeah '~'
[14:34] <yourfriendarmand> you can trash any .qt*, .gtk* .kde* xf* inside your profile if all else fails
[14:34] <yourfriendarmand> I would first create a new user and see if that user gets the right default setup
[14:34] <PeteyKun> Okay, I'll try that
[14:34] <GridCube> yourfriendarmand has a point, login as guest and see
[14:34] <PeteyKun> Okay, thanks, I'll try it out and be right back :)
[14:36] <PeteyKun> Yep, it's fine on guest
[14:36] <yourfriendarmand> petey, can you start a kde session?
[14:37] <yourfriendarmand> change your gui settings from there
[14:37] <yourfriendarmand> with kde's respective appearance settings
[14:38] <yourfriendarmand> my next guess is your profile is set to point to an theme engine shim that tries to equalize appearances over different environments
[14:38] <GridCube> P: i would obliterate .config and start over
[14:39] <yourfriendarmand> yeah, the beauty is you only lose customization
[14:39] <GridCube> pretty much P:
[14:40] <PeteyKun> I wouldn't really mind that
[14:40] <yourfriendarmand> but if you have settings in your other apps, at least trash the gtk2 gtk3 xfce* kde qt folders inside
[14:40] <yourfriendarmand> I definitely wouldn't trash my <your fav browser> settings for example
[14:40] <GridCube> probably the best option its to rename it to .config-old
[14:41] <yourfriendarmand> that's def a good start
[14:41] <PeteyKun> okay lemme just move those folders
[14:41] <yourfriendarmand> .rsync the hek outo f your profile
[14:42] <yourfriendarmand> don't forget to log out, or better yet, do it logged out, and from the text console or ssh
[14:43] <yourfriendarmand> it's frustrating logging out to find out your environment recreated its settings from memory
[14:43] <PeteyKun> Ah D:
[14:43] <PeteyKun> I already moved it while logged in
[14:43] <PeteyKun> Let me just see if it works
[14:43] <yourfriendarmand> especially the g/dconf settings trees
[14:49] <PeteyKun> Not even getting rid of all of .config from the text console worked
[14:49] <PeteyKun> Though it did get back xubuntu's icons on the desktop
[14:50] <PeteyKun> Qt icons are still in the menu
[14:50] <yourfriendarmand> look for any lingering qt or kde configs in the profile
[14:51] <yourfriendarmand> though I wouldn't rule out those settings coming back the minute you fire up a kApp
[14:55] <yourfriendarmand> try a kde session and see if any appearance settings look familiar, also check in the session and startup settings, in the Advanced tab, if xfce will start up kde services at start up
[14:56] <PeteyKun> hmm okay
[14:56] <GridCube> PeteyKun, what i would do, and this is me, i would make a new user and move things there
[14:58] <anders_> hello
[14:58] <anders_> just installed xubuntu for the first time
[14:58] <anders_> having some trouble getting xbmc to play HD content
[14:58] <yourfriendarmand> I can't disagree with that, make sure you match your group settings for both users
[14:58] <anders_> any tips?
[14:58] <PeteyKun> I suppose I've gotta do that lol
[14:58] <PeteyKun> Hi anders_
[14:58] <anders_> also, any good note taking apps? I've tried basket and nixnote, not really as good as onenote
[14:59] <GridCube> anders_, are you using an nvidia card?
[14:59] <PeteyKun> Not sure if you'll agree with me on this, but LateX can be a good alternative ;o
[14:59] <PeteyKun> To note-taking software
[15:00] <anders_> ATI on a lenovo lap top
[15:00] <GridCube> P: i takes note on rednotebook
[15:00] <anders_> old machine
[15:00] <anders_> ok thanks, I'll try them out :)
[15:00] <yourfriendarmand> I use plain text editor, vim if remote, there's xfce goodies note taker, mousepad, juffed is my latest find
[15:00] <GridCube> anders_, dont use xbmc then, use a standard player
[15:00] <yourfriendarmand> xbmc and ati don't like each other?
[15:00] <GridCube> smplayer its by far my favourite
[15:00] <GridCube> xbmc doesnt like low end machines
[15:00] <anders_> ye that works, but not for streaming stuff via addons in xbmc
[15:01] <GridCube> streaming? try idj
[15:01] <yourfriendarmand> can it fall back to software rendering just to see if that works?
[15:01] <GridCube> idjc
[15:01] <yourfriendarmand> shoutcast huh?
[15:02] <GridCube> anders_, i havent had good experiences with xbmc, i like it, but it just doesnt work properly for me
[15:02] <yourfriendarmand> I use plex myself with my roku and xbox360
[15:02] <anders_> ok
[15:02] <anders_> I mainly use it for content
[15:02] <GridCube> and im not very fond of configuring stuffs manyally
[15:02] <anders_> not having to download is nice
[15:02] <yourfriendarmand> plex was straightforward, all configus done through its web front end pointed to a localhost port
[15:03] <yourfriendarmand> it'll even transcode on the fly
[15:03] <yourfriendarmand> of course having medibuntu on helps too
[15:04] <anders_> hm, I'll check it out
[15:04] <yourfriendarmand> their deb package will add the right repo and update itself
[15:06] <anders_> nice
[15:07] <yourfriendarmand> I was shocked when I saw my x360 found the dlna service on the server, played a few 1080 flicks with no issue whatsoever (lan wired of course)
[15:07] <yourfriendarmand> gotta get a wire to my roku now too
[15:09] <PeteyKun> http://screencloud.net/v/6TRQ
[15:09] <PeteyKun> Oh wow, there's still perms for tape drives lol
[15:09] <yourfriendarmand> where plex really hit home was that it found subtitles so my wife can understand the movies with me
[15:09] <yourfriendarmand> back when there was drum-based storage, unix had a /dev/drum device
[15:09] <yourfriendarmand> tapes are still relevant
[15:10] <yourfriendarmand> nothing like an amanda server to manage your tape archives
[15:11] <PeteyKun> never seen a tape :p
[15:11] <PeteyKun> I hail from the age of floppies
[15:11] <yourfriendarmand> I had a tape drive, that used the floppy ribbon bus to transfer data back in DOS
[15:11] <GridCube> D: youre old
[15:12] <yourfriendarmand> it had 120MB space (compressed
[15:12] <yourfriendarmand> I'm 28
[15:12] <GridCube> THATS HUGE DUDE thats like 100 floppies
[15:12] <yourfriendarmand> I had dual 128MB seagate hds
[15:13] <yourfriendarmand> and at the high point, an epson clone iomega drive 100MB. I played warcraft orcs v humans on it
[15:13] <yourfriendarmand> and a sound blaster, just missing the awe midi chip
[15:15] <gondarlinux> is this the appropriate place to request help for an alsa issue on xubuntu?
[15:15] <holstein> gondarlinux: for audio issues in xubuntu, sure...
[15:16] <yourfriendarmand> we'll try to help
[15:16] <gondarlinux> thanks
[15:16] <yourfriendarmand> I'm missing my hdmi output myself on my laptop
[15:16] <yourfriendarmand> my "server" laptop still has though
[15:17] <gondarlinux> problem: trying to use google talk on my hp dv-7 laptop
[15:17] <gondarlinux> there are two audio devices according to lspci
[15:18] <holstein> gondarlinux: the one to look at is "aplay -l" in the terminal
[15:18] <gondarlinux> ok
[15:18] <gondarlinux> lemmie try
[15:19] <gondarlinux> i believe i need to swap the order of the cards
[15:19] <gondarlinux> aplay -l output: card 0: Generic [HD-Audio Generic], device 3: HDMI 0 [HDMI 0]
[15:20] <gondarlinux> aplay -l output: card 1: Generic_1 [HD-Audio Generic], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog]
[15:20] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: From experience; run alsa-mixer in a terminal, sometimes problems can be fixed in there.
[15:20] <gondarlinux> thanks, i tried that
[15:20] <holstein> alsamixer and/or pavucontrol
[15:20] <holstein> gondarlinux: what is the issue?
[15:21] <gondarlinux> the issue is that when using google talk, the webcam microphine does not capture
[15:21] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: does it capture any other time?
[15:21] <PeteyKun> brb on the new user
[15:21] <holstein> gondarlinux: i would test it inependently of google talk.. if the device works, then its in the Gtalk config
[15:22] <yourfriendarmand> does pulseaudio have the internal mic as default input?
[15:22] <gondarlinux> let me pull up pulse audio
[15:22] <holstein> gondarlinux: pavucontrol
[15:24] <Deepfriedice> I fixed a mic recently, the way to go about it is to get it working in alsa, then worry about pulse audio.
[15:24] <gondarlinux> the configuration tab indicates the "Analog Surround 4.0 Output + Analog Stereo Input"
[15:24] <holstein> gondarlinux: in pavucontrol?
[15:24] <gondarlinux> Deepfriedice: that's what my forum searching has led me to believe it is an alsa issue
[15:25] <yourfriendarmand> in the input devices, check different ports, I have a "internal mic" entry
[15:25] <gondarlinux> okay
[15:25] <Deepfriedice> IF it's a alsa issue, pavucontrol won't help you. You need alsa-mixer to fix it.
[15:25] <gondarlinux> i have microphone and internal microphone in the ports drop-down
[15:25] <Deepfriedice> Check it isn't disabled there first.
[15:26] <gondarlinux> Deepfriedice: in alsamixer
[15:27] <holstein> also, trust no labels in alsa mixer.. test/tweak *everything*
[15:28] <gondarlinux> so, i believe the fix is to swap the order of enumeration for the two cards
[15:28] <Deepfriedice> May we see a screen shot of alsamixer? that might clarify things.
[15:28] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: that doesn't sound right...
[15:28] <gondarlinux> sure
[15:28] <holstein> gondarlinux: switch it then, but those can jump at reboot, and change.. and you should be able to select it right now, no matter what the # is
[15:29] <GridCube> gondarlinux, while running gtalk run pavucontrol, it will show you settings for the particular stream working, there you should be able to tell it to use the proper capture method
[15:29] <holstein> ^^
[15:29] <gondarlinux> okay
[15:29] <holstein> what GridCube just said is how i do it
[15:29] <holstein> though, i would test the mic independently to make sure the support is there, if i had any issues
[15:29] <GridCube> pavucontrol its pretty awesome and powerful, but only works while something to configure its running P:
[15:30] <gondarlinux> i think i just found the problem
[15:30] <gondarlinux> give me a sec
[15:34] <gondarlinux> okay
[15:35] <gondarlinux> so when i run alsamixer, i set the capture device to be the "correct" card but it does not save the settings
[15:35] <GridCube> pavucontrol
[15:35] <gondarlinux> do i have to restart alsa then after the change
[15:35] <GridCube> no, use pavucontrol
[15:35] <holstein> gondarlinux: those can change at reboot... i would use pavucontrol
[15:36] <yourfriendarmand> pulseaudio is controlling that device
[15:36] <yourfriendarmand> if you don't have it do a : sudo apt-get install pavucontrol
[15:36] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: alsamixer doesn't select devices
[15:36] <yourfriendarmand> if you don't already have the app
[15:37] <holstein> gondarlinux: this will help you with card order http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards ..which is *not* what i think you need to do
[15:37] <gondarlinux> ok
[15:37] <GridCube> no, you just need to set it up in pavucontrol
[15:38] <holstein> what would i do? test the mic with *anything* else.. not just Gtalk.. then, you will know that hte hardware is capable, and you can stop looking at a hardware config level, and move to Gtalk config, or pulse
[15:38] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: alsamixer is just for configuring devices, to select which to use you need to configure either the program directly (if using alsa) or pulseaudio.
[15:38] <gondarlinux> in pavucontrol, what should my configuration tab say
[15:38] <holstein> gondarlinux: i would connect the mic to the application in pavucontrol
[15:39] <gondarlinux> any suggestions on a sound capture program to test with?
[15:39] <Deepfriedice> audacity
[15:39] <gondarlinux> ok
[15:39] <gondarlinux> installing now
[15:39] <holstein> gondarlinux: anything really.. something simple.. audacity, any sound recorder.. something from the repos
[15:39] <GridCube> gondarlinux, while running gtalk run pavucontrol, it will show you settings for the particular stream working, there you should be able to tell it to use the proper capture method
[15:40] <Deepfriedice> GridCube: Good idea.
[15:41] <GridCube> its not just a good idea, its what he has to do XD
[15:41] <GridCube> if that doesnt work then "there" is a problem
[15:44] <gondarlinux> so i tried different recording/input devices with audacity
[15:44] <gondarlinux> no luck recording a sound
[15:45] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: okay, what if you record via alsa in audacity?
[15:46] <gondarlinux> let me try
[15:47] <holstein> gondarlinux: you tried pavucontrol there?
[15:47] <gondarlinux> correct
[15:48] <gondarlinux> changed setting in pavucontrol and tried audacity each change
[15:48] <Deepfriedice> gondarlinux: The reason I suggested audacity is that it can also bypass pulseaudio.
[16:32] <xubuntu990> Hi all. I have quation. Can i ask this quathin in this chat room?
[16:33] <[0gb_us]> You just did. Care to ask another?
[16:33] <Deepfriedice> *budum tish*
[16:36] <xubuntu990> Yes, Thank. I have more strong quetion. I download and install Xubuntu 13.04. In my network i have Windows-shared prinetr canon lbp 1120 i read maybe all forums but cant connect this windows shared printer becouse cant install driver for it
[16:37] <[0gb_us]> Hmm. Someone else will have to take this. I know nothing about sharing the network with Windows. Sorry.
[16:37] <Deepfriedice> xubuntu990: are you sure you NEED drivers for that printer? I would suspect it would work fine natively.
[16:41] <xubuntu990> When i serach Newtwork Printer, system cant find native kernel driver and ask me 1. Chose printer from database 2  adding ppd file for unknown printer 3. Search in internet
[16:42] <xubuntu990> in native kernel datbase printer canon lbp 1120 is absent
[16:42] <Deepfriedice> Damn
[16:43] <bekks> xubuntu990: The kernel never provided printer drivers until now.
[16:44] <xubuntu990> also Printer Wizard have Generic printer
[16:44] <xubuntu990> but he not work too
[16:45] <[uzver]> xubuntu990: http://www.canon-europe.com/Support/Consumer_Products/products/printers/Laser/Laser_Shot_LBP1120.aspx?type=download&page=1
[16:54] <yourfriendarmand> are you looking for a shared printer on this windows box? smb://hostname/printershare
[16:55] <yourfriendarmand> oops he left, nvm
[16:59] <aiena> Hi I need some help !! My xfce desktop icons keep flickering - if I hover the icons reappear then the dissapear this happened ever since I tried the image tag in conky though I have no Idea what it has to do with tihs.
[17:00] <knome> aiena, have you tried disabling the image tag in conky?
[17:00] <aiena> knome I removed it completely and rebooted
[17:00] <knome> aiena, i suppose you might need to enable double buffering in conky for some setups
[17:00] <aiena> but this is the desktop icons themselves
[17:00] <aiena> not conky
[17:00] <aiena> one sec
[17:00] <knome> aiena, can't remember where i read it and what kind of stuff/hardware requires it
[17:01] <knome> yes, it has an effect on the desktop as well.
[17:01] <aiena> ouch
[17:01]  * Peyam recommends http://kurdiskingenjor.wordpress.com
[17:02] <knome> Peyam, this is a channel for support, not advertising
[17:02] <aiena> hmm bleachbit and this ?
[17:02] <Peyam> knome:  :D sorry
[17:03] <knome> aiena, i imagine it was just a random link.
[17:03] <aiena> Ok sigh
[17:03] <knome> !offtopic | Peyam ->
[17:03] <knome> aiena, check out double buffering from the conky faq or so. that might help you.
[17:03] <aiena> I used bleachbit once on windows to clean up FF but anyways that is offtopic
[17:03] <Peyam> knome: does spotify work on ubuntu? or you should premium version of it?
[17:03] <aiena> knome: double buffering is enabled
[17:04] <knome> Peyam, has worked for me under wine, don't know if it still does
[17:05] <knome> aiena, have you tried turning off conky for good and restarting?
[17:05] <aiena> knome you are right the double buffering is an issue now it wasnt before sigh
[17:05] <knome> aiena, to see if it's about conky or something else... i suspect it being related though
[17:05] <aiena> ok will do
[17:05] <Myrtti> Peyam: windows version works in wine, linux version if premium without wine, and the browser version might work in either case - I've got the premium account so I can't test
[17:06] <Peyam> I hate wine
[17:06] <knome> browser version - what? :)
[17:06] <aiena> knome: If I disable double buffering in conkyrc cinky begins to flocker but the desktop seems to work
[17:06] <knome> aiena, it's a while since i played with conky, but iirc there were some other options related to that
[17:06] <aiena> *conky begins to flicker
[17:07] <[0gb_us]> What? WHy hate Wine? It helps people break away from that awful mess of an operating system, Windows.
[17:07] <Peyam> what is the issue aiena
[17:07] <aiena> the irony is that double buffering worked perfectly before trying out the image tag in conky
[17:07] <Myrtti> knome: https://play.spotify.com
[17:07] <aiena> knome: will try disablibnkg conky on startup and see
[17:07] <Peyam> Myrtti: awesome
[17:07] <Myrtti> IKR!
[17:08] <Peyam> aiena: tell me the problem with conky
[17:08] <knome> the web player seems to work
[17:08] <knome> cool. thanks Myrtti :)
[17:09] <Peyam> knome: yes!
[17:09] <Peyam> amazing
[17:09] <knome> maybe i'll use spotify now and then again
[17:09] <knome> bad music proposed, but that's a different bug
[17:09] <Myrtti> hehe
[17:10] <Peyam> awesome
[17:11] <Peyam> it made my day
[17:11] <knome> the web player doesn't show play stats though
[17:11] <Peyam> it is maybe in develop
[17:11] <knome> (afaik play is still limited to 10h/week for free accounts)
[17:11] <knome> (not that i'm ever going to listen to that much stuff from spotify anyway)
[17:11] <aiena> Peyam: I was using conky with double bufgfering and everything was perfect.
[17:11] <aiena>  I just tried using the $image{} tag in conkyrc this somehow messed up the xfce desktop too.
[17:11] <aiena> Nowe icons seem to flicker (visible only on mouse hover) I even removed the  $image{} tag
[17:11] <aiena> and rebooted the problem still persisted.
[17:11] <aiena> tHE PROBLEM seems to go away with disabling conky double buffering (but doube buffering worked very well just before exerimenting
[17:11] <aiena> with the image tag)
[17:12] <Peyam> hmm
[17:12] <aiena> Thats the issue
[17:13] <aiena> I never expected the $image tag to have adverse effects on the desktop itself.
[17:13] <Peyam> well delete it
[17:13] <aiena> deleted
[17:13] <Peyam> and use some other comand
[17:13] <aiena> still the issue persist after reboot
[17:13] <aiena> anyways will reset the conky script and see.
[17:13] <Peyam> have you delete the xstart file?
[17:14] <Peyam> or disable the xstart file from autostart?
[17:15] <aiena> where is that ?
[17:16] <aiena> one sec rebooting brb
[17:25] <aiena> knome: It seems like conky double buffering to to blame now !! But it never happened before
[17:25] <aiena> (Double buffering prevented flivkering of conky and kept the desktop fine earlier). Its so ... odd
[17:25] <knome> heh.
[17:26] <aiena> OK fixed
[17:27] <aiena> THe script was messed up elsewhere
[17:27] <aiena> finally
[17:27] <aiena> Thanks knome
[17:27] <aiena> It had to do with some of the own_window_xxx tags.
[17:33] <knome> np
[18:18] <luisorlan718> oi
[18:18] <knome> allö
[18:18] <lderan> 'allo 'allo
[18:19] <luisorlan718> oi
[18:20] <genii-around> That has the makings of a catchy song.
[18:29] <aiena> lol
[19:39] <aiena> knome is there a way to install windows ttf fonts manually on xubuntu so that they are available system wide  ?
[19:41] <baizon> aiena: http://embraceubuntu.com/2005/09/09/installing-microsoft-fonts/
[19:41] <Pici> ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:41] <Pici> !info ttf-mscorefonts-installer
[19:41] <Pici> baizon: the package name changed, so docs from 2005 aren't likely to be of much help.
[19:41] <baizon> Pici: yes youre right
[19:41] <baizon> thank you
[19:42] <baizon> just saw it
[19:42] <Pici> Although, the old package name is what led me to the new one.
[19:43] <aiena> baizon: I found out how to manually
[19:44] <aiena> it appears that all fornts are stored in /usr/share/fonts/
[19:44] <aiena> so I think its just a copy paste :)
[19:44] <aiena> lets see
[19:44] <aiena> of course there wont be an uninstaller in this case
[19:44] <aiena> but probably I can pump in more fonts.
[20:21] <i-need-help> hi, is it possible to move opened windows on the taskbar panel on XFCE?
[20:21] <i-need-help> to rearrange them on the taskbar
[20:22] <yourfriendarmand> yes
[20:22] <yourfriendarmand> it's an enable-able option
[20:22] <i-need-help> thanks
[20:22] <yourfriendarmand> right click on the panel holding the taskbar
[20:23] <yourfriendarmand> find a submenu and preferences
[20:23] <yourfriendarmand> find the tab of "items or elements"
[20:23] <yourfriendarmand> and like for window list/buttons
[20:24] <yourfriendarmand> look for window list/buttons
[20:24] <yourfriendarmand> In the appearance section is a group by selection. it's default is by grouping by title and timestamp
[20:25] <i-need-help> yourfriendarmand: tnx so much
[20:25] <yourfriendarmand> you might be looking for group by none, allow drag and drop
[20:25] <yourfriendarmand> did it work?
[20:25] <i-need-help> not sure, still downloading xubuntu.. but what you wrote looks what i was looking for
[20:26] <yourfriendarmand> it is available though, the key is getting to the current instance window/task bar's settings and defining the grouping behavior
[20:26] <yourfriendarmand> I actually forgot I set it like this too, I recently redid my system so I now just set it just like you're accustomed
[21:04] <Noskcaj> Is there anyone online with two bluetooth icons in the status bar? if so, please file a bug for it
[21:05] <knome> i suppose it would be helpful to find out if that happens with a clean quantal installation upgraded to raring
[21:06] <bwat47> Noskcaj, I did when I installed xubuntu 13.04, clean install
[21:06] <Noskcaj> bwat47, good to know, i'll get an iso today and mae a bug
[21:07] <bwat47> Noskcaj, clean home dir and everything, both bluetooth icons were enabled. I disabled bluetoot-manager (the one with the ugly black symbolic icon) and left blueman enabled
[21:10] <yourfriendarmand> same here, easy fix. This also appears on a previous daily of 1304
[21:11] <Noskcaj> ok, thanks  guys. i'll see if it affects 13.10, then report a bug
[21:18] <xubuntu752> help upgrading from xubuntu 12.04 to 13.04 or should I stay at 12.04
[21:19] <holstein> xubuntu752: you'll go from 12.04 to 12.10.. to 13.04.. i would suggest a fresh install.. there is no big reason to upgrade, or a big reason to avoid the upgrade
[21:21] <xubuntu752> I am on old laptop 512 mem/800 mhz proc - sufficient for 13.04
[21:24] <Noskcaj> yep
[21:24] <Noskcaj> just
[21:24] <Noskcaj> if it fails, go to lubuntu
[21:25] <xubuntu752> ok thank you both for you time and advice
[21:25] <drc> To be honest, if 12.04 works just fine, I'd stay there.  As holstein said no real reason to to upgrade.
[21:26]  * holstein is on 12.04, and i have done some 13.04 installs for testing purposes
[21:26] <xubuntu752> 12.04 does work well and I thought I saw support lasts till 2015
[21:27]  * drc was on 12.04, but decided to live dangerously :)
[21:28] <Noskcaj> xubuntu752, that's because it's LTS
[21:28] <holstein> at this point, when i reinstall, i'll do 13.04
[21:28] <drc> Actually 12.04 support lasts longer than 13.04 :)
[21:29] <xubuntu752> Maybe another reason to stay at 12.04  for LTS ?
[21:30] <yourfriendarmand> I'd stay too. Though I take exception installing it on a 1st gen core i7 laptop, I missed the new stuff in 1304, so I couldn't resist the upgrade
[21:30] <knome> xubuntu752, that's the idea with LTS's
[21:30] <holstein> xubuntu752: that is why i would stay.. long term support.. its lts vs newer package versions really
[21:31] <yourfriendarmand> Has anyone heard of repogen? It helped me getting xfce 410 on lts
[21:31] <xubuntu752> Thanks , I think I will indeed remain at 12.04 - once again thanks for the help
[21:31] <knome> yourfriendarmand, there are PPA's for newer versions of packages for LTS releases, but they aren't supported
[21:32] <holstein> !ppa
[21:42] <yourfriendarmand> I did have much success with it, apps like thunar, however, didn't update to the likes of the version on 1304, and I truly appreciate the tabs and multiple selection property features available without resorting to nautilus
[21:44] <yourfriendarmand> I'm waiting on 12.04.03 LTS with HWE already by default to roll out. You know for a rainy day or a server for which I absolutely need stability
[21:45] <bekks> yourfriendarmand: Whats HWE?
[21:45] <yourfriendarmand> the hardware enablement, LTS edition now has kernel and xorg up past 1210's versions
[21:46] <yourfriendarmand> so LTS now gets 3.5.xxx instead of 3.2
[21:46] <yourfriendarmand> kernel version
[21:46] <yourfriendarmand> as well as an update to the xorg stack
[21:46] <bekks> Thats not true as you think it is :)
[21:46] <yourfriendarmand> well, it felt like it, and having those drivers on there is refreshing
[21:46] <bekks> The 3.5 kernel was shipped with 12.04.2 due to a major UEFI problem in 12.04
[21:47] <bekks> And so far, that will be the only kernel major version change in a LTS.
[21:47] <yourfriendarmand> I'm waiting on xubuntu's spin with 12.04.3
[21:47] <bekks> They will have the same 3.5 kernel as 12.04.2 :)
[21:48] <yourfriendarmand> since xubuntu 12.04.2 requires manually updating those pieces
[21:48] <bekks> Every ubuntu does.
[21:48] <bekks> A kernel isnt updated automatically.
[21:49] <yourfriendarmand> I read the notes that ubuntu 12.04.2 already installs 3.5.xxx, where as xubuntu 12.04.2 installs the 3.2.xx kernel
[21:49] <bekks> Thats wrong. 12.04.2 installs a 3.5 kernel.
[21:49] <yourfriendarmand> I understand from release notes that xubuntu 12.04.3 is slated to install the 3.5 kernel by default
[21:49] <bekks> every ubuntu will do so :)
[21:50] <yourfriendarmand> I beg to differ, I had to install the *-lts-quantal packages myself after trying 12.04.2
[21:50] <yourfriendarmand> xubuntu
[21:51] <yourfriendarmand> even a daily build resulted in the same
[21:51] <bekks> Never heard of *-lts-quantal packages.
[21:51] <drc> and what is EOL of the 3.5 kernel?
[21:51] <yourfriendarmand> for example linux-image-lts-quantal-generic
[21:51] <yourfriendarmand> would pull in the 3.5 kernel
[21:51] <bekks> yourfriendarmand: They had to pick a name for that package.
[21:51] <bekks> yourfriendarmand: Thats all bascially.
[21:52] <yourfriendarmand> but a uname once initially installed reveals 3.2 under the hood
[21:52] <yourfriendarmand> until you pull in those updates
[21:52] <bekks> Then run apt-get update && apt-.get upgrade and done.
[21:52] <bekks> Of course you have to pull updates.
[21:53] <yourfriendarmand> totally, however, I understand xubuntu 12.04.03 will eliminate having to do that post-install
[21:54] <bekks> No.
[21:54] <bekks> You have to pull updates always. Always.
[21:54] <bekks> Unless doing so, you will stay on the versions shipped on the installation medium
[21:55] <yourfriendarmand> oh darn. In any case, will xubuntu 12.04.2 work on a uefi system?
[21:55] <bekks> And waiting one year for such a minor thing as installing a kernel update isnt really worth discussing :)
[21:55] <bekks> yourfriendarmand: Most likely, it will.
[21:56] <bekks> After installing it, install all available updates. Install the latest kernel update. Same procedure as always.
[21:57] <yourfriendarmand> That's fine, I don't mind calling up the -lts-quantal upgrades, I cache my debs as much as possible. As long as say, I can put it on some dell or hp hardware running uefi
[21:58] <bekks> Why do you want to use uefi anyways?
[21:58] <bekks> There is no need to do so, technically :)
[21:59] <yourfriendarmand> large boot volume support, it's gonna happen more often
[21:59] <yourfriendarmand> though I have disabled the signing support in bios to make my life easier
[22:00] <bekks> There is no need to boot off a TB sized volume - just create a 30GB / and separate your data from your OS.
[22:00] <knome> !offtopic
[22:01] <yourfriendarmand> I agree, just wanted to chat (of course there's bug discussion on offtopic :p
[22:02] <knome> yes, it's not working perfectly.. :P
[22:02] <yourfriendarmand> well, enjoy the silence
[22:03]  * knome thanks