[01:35] <dantti_laptop> I can't find libqtsolutions-soap headers am I missing something?
[01:36] <ahoneybun> I'm don't have the knowledge about that
[01:40] <ahoneybun> how do you make that blue text
[06:37] <smartboyhw> Eh there are 1380 unread emails in my inbox
[06:44] <valorie> oh, I wish
[06:47] <soee> yofel, do you know whats the 4.10.3 status ?
[06:48] <smartboyhw> soee: Heck, be patient;)
[06:48] <soee> smartboyhw, one guy asked on #kubuntu when its ready
[06:48] <soee> i just wanted to give him some info :)
[06:50] <smartboyhw> soee: Should be today or tomorrow, depending on packager's time. I don't have time for packaging, I have two tests tmr:(
[06:50] <soee> smartboyhw, ok thank you
[07:57] <Riddell> dantti: we don't have libqtsolutions-soap packaged except as part of hupnp
[08:55] <Riddell> fregl: did you see the kscreen update you needed got in -proposed?
[08:55] <Riddell> hmm no it didn't, it's still in the queue
[08:57] <Phonon> invasive changes or something
[09:00] <fregl> Riddell: I don't recall asking for kscreen :) but I'll be happy to try how it will work with my external screen and tv anyway ;)
[09:03] <Riddell> fregl: you had a crash in 13.04 caused by having nvidia?
[09:03] <Riddell> kscreen causes a crash in kded on login
[09:06] <soee> kded - monster that eats my whole memory on laptop
[09:06] <fregl> Riddell: actually my crash was an outdated wayland build in /usr/local (me hides in shame)
[09:24] <Riddell> fregl: you don't get https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318907 ?
[09:26] <fregl> Riddell: no, I have the nvidia binary blob and only one screen configured with nvidia-settings on my desktop here
[09:26] <fregl> never had that crash
[09:32] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Oh good, even our bot left:(
[09:33] <Riddell> kubotu?
[09:33] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Or didn't ir?
[09:33] <smartboyhw> s/ir/it/
[09:33] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Riddell: Or didn't it?"
[09:33] <smartboyhw> Oh good it didn't
[09:34] <smartboyhw> I thought I saw it leaving due to *.net *.split
[09:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and Kubuntu 11.10 will reach EOL tomorrow!
[09:41] <Riddell> ah, farewell lucid and oneiric, we knew thee well
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell: LOL
[09:43] <smartboyhw> Heck, I got an EOL announcement to send for Ubuntu Studio tmr
[10:09] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I just voted for the Council election!
[10:11] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: did you vote before I sent my reply? :P
[10:12] <smartboyhw> shadeslayee: No.
[10:12] <shadeslayer> also, you can change your vote AFAIK
[10:12] <smartboyhw> I JUST voted, 1.5 min ago
[10:12] <shadeslayer> aha :)
[10:12] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: I won't change it unless absolutely necessary
[10:12] <shadeslayer> ack :)
[10:13] <smartboyhw> Heh, I doubt whether you guys want to know who I votedP
[10:13] <smartboyhw> :P
[10:13] <shadeslayer> Lord Vader?
[10:13] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Who's that? Voldemort?
[10:14] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:14] <smartboyhw> …
[10:14] <shadeslayer> kids these days
[10:14] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: ?
[10:14] <shadeslayer> can't tell the difference between Voldemort and Lord Vader
[10:14]  * smartboyhw has been too bothered with tests this week
[10:14] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer; I don't even KNOW what is Lord Vader…
[10:14] <smartboyhw> Is it edible?
[10:14]  * shadeslayer faints
[10:15] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kpHK4YIwY4
[10:15] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Nope
[10:15] <smartboyhw> I will not watch it:P
[10:15] <smartboyhw> kubotu: send coffee for shadeslayer
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Meh wrong
[10:16] <smartboyhw> kubotu: send coffee to shadeslayer
[10:16] <smartboyhw> Meh I forgotten, just used it yesterday;(
[10:16] <smartboyhw> kubotu: help
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[10:16] <smartboyhw> oops
[10:16] <shadeslayer> kubotu: order vader for kubotu
[10:16]  * kubotu slides vader down the bar to kubotu
[10:16] <shadeslayer> xD
[10:17] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order breakfast for shadeslayer
[10:17]  * kubotu slides a cigarette, a cup of hot coffee and a bagel with cream cheese down the bar to shadeslayer.
[10:17] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order dinner for smartboyhw
[10:17]  * kubotu slides dinner down the bar to smartboyhw
[10:17] <smartboyhw> Meh
[10:17] <shadeslayer> breakfast at a bar?
[10:17]  * shadeslayer passes the cigarette to apoi
[10:17] <shadeslayer> erm
[10:17] <shadeslayer> Phonon: ^^
[10:18] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: lol
[10:19] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order Kubuntu Council votes to all Kubuntu menbers
[10:19]  * kubotu slides kubuntu council votes to all kubuntu menbers down the bar to smartboyhw
[10:19] <smartboyhw> …
[10:19] <Phonon> shadeslayer: poor apoi?
[10:19] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order Kubuntu Council vote ballots for all Kubuntu members
[10:19]  * kubotu slides kubuntu council vote ballots down the bar to all Kubuntu members
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Good
[10:20] <smartboyhw> ScottK: Use that next time ^^
[10:20] <shadeslayer> Phonon: poor? :P
[10:21] <Phonon> having to smoke because you fail to autocomplete
[10:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[10:21] <shadeslayer> he can choose not to
[10:21] <shadeslayer> it's his choice
[10:21] <shadeslayer> I need coffee
[10:21] <shadeslayer> but no milk
[10:21] <shadeslayer> someone should go shopping
[10:21] <smartboyhw> kubotu: order milk for shadeslayer
[10:22]  * kubotu slides milk down the bar to shadeslayer
[10:22] <Riddell> shadeslayer: is there a shopping list?
[10:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dunno, I heard there was something being formulated
[10:22] <shadeslayer> Riddell: come outside, it's really good outside
[10:23] <smartboyhw> Riddell: Is shadeslayer sitting next to you again? *sigh*
[10:23] <shadeslayer> nope, I'm outside
[10:23] <shadeslayer> with afiestas_
[10:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer: Oh.
[10:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer, afiestas_ you guys have a shared office or what?
[10:29] <Riddell> smartboyhw: a shared gazeebo http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/08/notes-breakout-sessions-mataro-sessions-ii
[10:34] <smartboyhw> Riddell: OK
[10:38] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I like the automated copyright file bit
[10:43] <Riddell> fregl: ping
[10:44] <Riddell> fregl: this kscreen update for nvidia, are you able to test?
[10:50] <dantti> Riddell: ok, I'll use it from git them... thanks
[11:03] <Riddell> Mirv: nice blog on qt 5 packaging :)
[11:06] <shadeslayer> Indeed ^^
[11:09] <Mirv> Riddell: thanks :)
[11:10] <afiestas_> anybody with nvidia card can help?
[11:10] <afiestas_> I will need first the output of the following command: "kscreen-console bug"
[11:24] <BluesKaj> Hello folks
[11:26] <soee> hi
[11:42] <Riddell> ScottK: for the kscreen update we are having trouble finding a nvidia tester, could it be let into -proposed and tested from there rather than testing before? (i've already tested it on intel)
[11:53] <BluesKaj> Riddell, nvidia here 
[11:54] <BluesKaj> but I'm on 13.10
[11:55] <Riddell> BluesKaj: could you see if you can install the raring screen packages in saucy? 
[11:56] <Riddell> download the .debs from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kscreen and https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libkscreen and dpkg --install ?
[11:58] <BluesKaj> ok Riddell , DL'd , will install 
[12:00] <markey> crashing issue in Amarok is fixed (in Git)
[12:01] <markey> turns out, it's really a bug in QtWebKit. whenever a page contains an <audio> tag, it does something with GStreamer, and that has a high probability of crashing
[12:01] <markey> this affects Rekonq too
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Riddell, kscreen installed ..reboot ? 
[12:10] <BluesKaj> well. kscreen accepts my monitor configuration just fine , Riddell
[12:11] <BluesKaj> the 64 bit version , 'kscreen-dbg_0.0.92-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb'
[12:16] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: yofel: shadeslayer: apachelogger: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2013/05/people-behind-ubuntu-quality-howard.html?m=1
[12:17]  * BluesKaj shrugs ...well anyway , it's working
[12:17] <smartboyhw_> LOL
[12:42] <Riddell> markey: oh?  able to point us to a patch/bug report?
[12:42] <Riddell> BluesKaj: you installed the raring debs and plugged in a second monitor?
[12:43] <markey> Riddell: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-commits&m=136800978907117&w=2
[12:44] <smartboyhw_> Good thing to SRU probably
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Riddell, no my other monitor isn't here atm , it's in our "studio" :(
[12:46] <BluesKaj> didn't realize kscreen was meant for multiple monitors
[12:48] <Riddell> BluesKaj: ah that's needed for testing for this beastie
[12:48] <Riddell> markey: know any problematic artists?
[12:49] <markey> Riddell: Deep Purple
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Riddell, FWIW I rebooted after installing and this plasma monitor works fine , still 
[12:50] <BluesKaj> markey, yeah Richie Blackmore's ego :)
[12:50] <markey> hehehe
[12:51] <markey> Riddell: anyway, you can reproduce it with Rekonq too. keep reloading this page for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Purple
[12:52] <markey> you don't have to do anything besides reloading it
[12:56] <Riddell> yay Amarok and Rekonq crashed!
[13:19] <smartboyhw_> Riddell: lol
[13:53] <Riddell> ScottK: sru for your reviewing bug 1177781
[14:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted.
[14:14] <Mamarok> wohoo!
[14:14] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:14] <Mamarok> Riddell, ScottK: that was fast, thanks a bunch!
[14:16] <ScottK> Did homerun too.
[14:17] <Riddell> what's new in homerun?
[14:17] <Riddell> oh the bugfix version
[14:17] <ScottK> Yeah, for SRU.
[14:18] <ScottK> I'll accept libkscreen/kscreen once you get it tested.
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/739886/
[14:18] <Riddell> actually there was a bug in the packaging (not a new one) which shadeslayer is fixing
[14:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ${shlibs:Depends}
[14:19] <ScottK> Should I reject then?
[14:19] <ScottK> (and which one)
[14:21] <Riddell> ScottK: reject both please
[14:21] <ScottK> done
[14:22] <shadeslayer> indeed ^^
[14:22] <shadeslayer> ScottK: thanks
[14:22] <ScottK> no problem
[14:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: --with=pkgkde-symbolshelper
[14:24] <Riddell> ScottK: oh also if you can look at the hedgewars SRU from debfx that would make agateau very happy :)
[14:26] <ScottK> Riddell: Done
[14:27] <shadeslayer> Kevin Ottens managed to kill Mir and Ubuntu with one KDE Class last night xD
[14:27] <shadeslayer> KAction it was IIRC
[14:27] <Riddell> but he took 7 years to do so
[14:27] <shadeslayer> true ^^
[14:28] <BluesKaj> is mir in use on ubuntu saucy yet ?
[14:29] <Riddell> BluesKaj: no we're talking nonsence
[14:30] <BluesKaj> mir is nonsense , i thought ubuntu was serious about it ?
[14:30] <debfx> there are also virtualbox uploads sitting in p- and q-proposed for way too long ... just saying ;)
[14:31] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: you're missing some vital context :P
[14:33] <ScottK> debfx: Is any of the commenting in 1081307 a regression from what's in the release already?
[14:33] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I was merely asking a quesy=tion about mir , and it's not in the Kevin Ottens context, if that's what you mean
[14:33] <BluesKaj> aerr question
[14:34] <shadeslayer> ah yes, Ubuntu is pretty serious about Mir
[14:35] <debfx> ScottK: yes, it's a regression because the kernel modules don't work with the lts-backport stack
[14:35] <ScottK> debfx: Right, but is it worse if I release the SRU?
[14:42] <debfx> ScottK: so everyone says it works for them except for one person. he hasn't used the -release version with the original kernel so I don't know if it would be a regression for him.
[14:44] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.  I'll release htem.
[14:44] <ScottK> them
[14:45] <debfx> thanks
[14:46] <Riddell> yofel: if we do another mumble call next week do you have a mumble server to do it on?
[15:20] <Quintasan> Riddell: I think we lack a important feture in wireless network management - access points priority, I don't know if it's network manager that is missing the feature or kde backend but that imo requires investigation
[15:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: what does it mean?
[15:22] <Riddell> if it sees more than one wifi hub it recognises it knows which to try first?
[15:22] <Quintasan> Yeah
[15:22] <Quintasan> I'm at my university and I'm in range of my associations network and in general university network
[15:23] <Quintasan> the latter is unencrypted and it connects to that one automagically
[15:23] <Riddell> it'll be something for the plasma widget to sort out I'd think
[15:23] <Riddell> lamarque is the dude to talk to
[15:24] <Quintasan> I see
[15:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: I'll ask him
[15:33] <Quintasan> Riddell: Can you copy over my laptop ssh key to ftpmaster?
[15:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1177823] qdbus needs dependency ubuntu-sdk to work @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1177823 (by Patola)
[15:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: url?
[15:40] <Quintasan> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+sshkeys
[15:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: done
[15:49] <Quintasan> Thanks
[15:50] <smartboyhw> Sleeping time, bye Kubuntu people
[15:53] <markey> what's the status of KDE 4.10.3 backport?
[15:54] <Riddell> still lots to do http://kyofel.dyndns.org/kubuntu/build_status_4.10.3_raring.html
[15:54] <markey> we have unconfirmed reports about Amarok crashing on exit with 4.10.3. I'd like to verify that
[15:55] <markey> ok
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: new package update in bug 1177333
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: confirmed by a guy who was having the nvidia crash issue (on kde bug report)
[16:06] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[16:06] <ScottK> Can't look at it now, but will later.
[16:38] <Riddell> http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/screenshot.png
[16:40] <Riddell> Phonon: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/screenshot.png
[16:40] <Riddell> Phonon: oy!
[16:40] <Riddell> Phonon: you smell!
[16:41] <Riddell> Phonon: this one! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/screenshot.png
[16:41] <Riddell> Phonon: oy!
[16:41] <Riddell> Phonon: http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/screenshot.png
[16:59] <Phonon> ScottK: ^ council action requested!
[16:59] <Phonon> <- hurt
[17:06] <ScottK> Phonon: Figure out what's up with Bug #918688  and your SRU in precise and then we'll talk.  Is that really verification failed?
[17:16] <Phonon> ScottK: not failed the user had a different version installed than what was proposed
[17:17] <Phonon> feel free to add a comma somewhere
[17:50] <apol> shadeslayer, Riddell: can we get kdevelop 4.5? http://userbase.kde.org/KDevelop/Install4.5
[17:50] <apol> :D
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apol: ack
[17:57] <apol> :D
[17:59] <Riddell> is bug 1175273
[17:59] <yofel> Riddell: the mumble server we used last time should still be running
[17:59] <Riddell> yofel: groovy
[18:00]  * yofel will try to get to 4.10.3 again later, AFTER he does the SRU for the plasma init script
[18:01] <Riddell> oh I was going to say kdevelop needs merged with debian but they're even more behind
[18:50] <Phonon> jtechidna: ping
[18:50] <jtechidna> Phonon: pong
[18:51] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: got time for an idea for updates?
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> Phonon: yup
[18:52] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: so, essentially we'd like to have non-security updates phased... e.g. only offered once a week
[18:53] <Phonon> and in particular so that the day of the week would be random by day of install or something like that
[18:53] <Phonon> so that updates do not always hit all users but a subset and after <14 days all
[18:53] <Phonon> well, <=8 I suppose ^^
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[18:54] <Phonon> point being that a) right now they are too annoying and b) by offering them to people at different times we have an additional safety net in case an update goes wrong
[18:54] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: will you make that happen? ;)
[18:55] <Phonon> also I like the new updater UI, albeit I am not sure I approve of the menu in the lower left
[18:55] <sreich> why not have it default to auto install?
[18:55] <sreich> e.g. windows does that
[18:55] <Phonon> that requires larger discussion
[18:55] <Phonon> also causes massive bikeshed
[18:55] <Phonon> so meh :P
[18:55] <sreich> oh boy
[18:55] <sreich> gotta love committees ;p
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> Phonon: currently automatic update checking is controlled by /etc/cron.daily/update-notifier-common
[18:57] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: ah, and we've been thinking about defering updates to poweroff/reboot (or at least ones that involve kdelibs).... so that we don't get silly this-kio-slave-is-kaput warnings due to runtime lib cchanges and whatnot
[18:57] <JontheEchidna> er, no, wrong file :P
[18:57] <Phonon> s/reboot/poweron
[18:58] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: oh and for the phased updates.... we'd still query at a regular interval
[18:59] <Phonon> it's just that internally muon should not notify about updates unless the marker-day has passed
[18:59] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[19:00] <Phonon> so say the day is monday and an update becomes available on saturday you'd get it offered on monday along with all packages from sunday, friday, thursday, wednesday, tuesday and monday of the previous week
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> this would all have to be implemented in the kded module I suppose
[19:00] <Phonon> so I guess you'd need an internal cache of the form "package version dateitbecomesoffered"
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> and we'd need a way of deciding/recording which day to offer updates
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> then once it's that day again, offer everything upgradable as updates
[19:01] <Phonon> right
[19:02] <Phonon> so IMO simply recording the date it should be offered would be best, so they are basically on embargo until the recordDate >= currentDate
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> I'm wondering how it's better than the current option to only check for updates daily/every two days/weekly/every two weeks we currently have
[19:13] <ahoneybun> Phonon: so like a weekly email filled with the post that happened that week?
[19:14] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: you want security ASAP
[19:14] <Phonon> ahoneybun: yeah
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> Phonon: oh, right
[19:14] <ahoneybun> Phonon: sounds cool like how the email list does things
[19:14] <ahoneybun> a digest
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> Phonon: do you have any ideas on how to implement this without a week-long QTimer? (I'd imagine that'd wake up the CPU)
[19:51] <Phonon> JontheEchidna: check at startup or something
[19:51] <Phonon> and check once a day for those mad people who don't ever logout
[20:07] <Quintasan> argh
[20:14] <Quintasan> Riddell: Care to take a look at mah merge? Not feeling comfortable since I haven't done that in a long time
[20:15] <Riddell> Quintasan: who what where?
[20:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5645801/
[20:18] <Riddell> Quintasan: this is a diff of debian against your merged package?
[20:19] <Quintasan> yeah, I have sent a link ubuntu against merged as well but my laptop quassel must have ate it
[20:19] <Riddell> Quintasan: you need a remaining changes list in the changelog to say why there's the patch and why the plasma-widget-kdeobservatory package and why kdeplasma-addons depends are different
[20:19] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:20]  * Quintasan looks
[20:20] <Quintasan> I think the depends are just in other order
[20:20]  * Quintasan triple checks
[20:21] <Riddell> Quintasan: is trhere no ubuntu changelog from before 4.8.80?
[20:22] <yofel> that's the diff no? we last merged for 4.8
[20:23] <Quintasan> what yofel, I just checked it
[20:23] <Riddell> the diff is against debian so it should have all the old ubuntu changelog entries in it
[20:24] <yofel> oh, right
[20:24] <Riddell> Quintasan: is boost versioned in build-deps
[20:26] <Quintasan> christ I just got lost in the changelog
[20:26] <Quintasan> Riddell: It is, I'll get back to deps when I'm done with the damn changelog
[20:31] <ScottK> Phonon: OK.  That fix still needs verification then.
[20:36] <Quintasan> Wouldn't it be easier to start with Ubuntu changelog and copy the Debian entries, not the other way around Riddell?
[20:36]  * Quintasan just copied most of Ubuntu changelog
[20:39] <yofel> Quintasan: erm, there's something called 'merge-changelog'
[20:39] <Quintasan> ...
[20:39] <Quintasan> I just thought about tabbing yofel
[20:40] <Quintasan> Found it almost at the same second you pinged :P
[20:40] <yofel> heh
[20:40] <Quintasan> my god it works
[20:40] <Quintasan> We need to document the merging process yofel
[20:41] <Quintasan> AND MENTION THE DAMN TOOLS
[20:41]  * Quintasan cries at the merges he did in the past by hand
[20:41] <yofel> isn't there some motu wiki page?
[20:41] <yofel> or does that only talk bzr these days?
[20:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:41] <shadeslayer> merge-changelog was the holy grail of merging packages
[20:44] <Quintasan> !info libboost1.51-dev saucy
[20:44] <Quintasan> hurr
[20:45] <Riddell> 1.53 in saucy
[20:45] <Quintasan> Riddell: Thanks, why aren't we using libboost-dev?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: getting X is pointless
[20:45] <shadeslayer> ( on Tablets )
[20:45] <shadeslayer> we should move towards Wayland
[20:45] <shadeslayer> let's move towards wayland
[20:45] <Quintasan> wait
[20:45] <Quintasan> how is that relevant to libboost-dev
[20:45] <Quintasan> :P
[20:46] <shadeslayer> its not
[20:46] <Quintasan> don't tell me
[20:46] <Riddell> Quintasan: ubuntu has a policy of versioning boost depends so we don't get any surprises when boost version changes
[20:46] <Quintasan> well, we could keep the metapackage there and have it point at the newest one
[20:46] <Quintasan> but I'm not going to make a fuss about that
[20:46] <Riddell> debian does that
[20:47] <Riddell> but then the boost version changes and so you might get changed behavious without knkowing it
[20:47] <Quintasan> That said, the deps in the debian control a in a different order, no point changing that, we'd just get useless delta there
[20:49] <Riddell> follow debian
[20:49] <Riddell> unless there's a reason not to
[20:55] <Quintasan> Riddell: plasma-widgets-addons suggests plasma-widget-lancelot instead of recommends, do we keep the change or make it Recommends as Debian does?
[20:56] <Riddell> look at the changelog to see why it was made?
[20:56] <Riddell> we have plasma-widgets-addons on the CD
[20:56] <Riddell> so probably it was changed to suggests to not bring in lancelot which a recommends would do
[20:56] <Riddell> so yes change it
[20:57] <Quintasan> That makes sense though the changelog doesnt mention that, I'll add it
[20:58] <Quintasan> !info libscim-dev raring
[20:58] <Quintasan> hmm
[20:58] <Quintasan> we use ibus so getting rid of that as well
[21:07] <ScottK> Riddell, shadeslayer, afiestas_: libkscreen and kscreen accepted for raring.
[21:08] <Quintasan> Not sure what it does buy yay for new ksomething package!
[21:08] <Riddell> yay!
[21:08] <Riddell> Quintasan: s/new/fixed/
[21:08] <Riddell> it'l still need someone to test it in -proposed
[21:09] <shadeslayer> ^^
[21:09] <shadeslayer> someone with an nVidia card
[21:09] <Quintasan> That sounds like me
[21:10] <Quintasan> What's the bug?
[21:10] <yofel> nvidia with nvidia or nouveau?
[21:11] <shadeslayer> binary blob afaik
[21:11] <shadeslayer> look at the boog
[21:11] <shadeslayer> 1177333
[21:12] <Riddell> bug 
[21:12] <Riddell> bug 1177333
[21:13] <Quintasan> ah an external monitor you say
[21:13] <shadeslayer> yus
[21:13] <Quintasan> lemme look for the dvi->vga switch
[21:15] <yofel> ok, nvidia-313 from the traces
[21:18] <Quintasan> Riddell: How many people we can send to Akademy?
[21:20]  * Quintasan test builds kdeplasma-addons
[21:27] <Quintasan> I'm afraid I don't have the dvi->vga connector
[21:27] <Quintasan> if noone tests it, I'll get some tomorrow
[21:53] <markey> eh, so Ubuntu are gonna roll their own package format?
[21:56] <Riddell> markey: um what?
[21:57] <Phonon> no
[21:57]  * Riddell worries that canonical has announced anothetr crazy plan
[21:57] <keithzg> markey: Only for the Ubuntu SDK apps; they're somewhat sandboxed and all, the underlying install process seems more like how one would install something on an apache server (plunk down in a folder). http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Ubuntu-SDK-apps-to-get-own-package-format-1859655.html
[21:58] <ScottK> That one actually makes sense for what they're trying to do.
[21:59] <keithzg> "That proof of concept actually uses .deb as the container format, but without using many of its features..."
[21:59] <markey> I see
[22:00] <keithzg> So, yeah. It actually does seem to make sense, and they aren't (at least yet) needlessly reinventing the wheel for it.
[22:00] <markey> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
[22:04] <Riddell> best get JontheEchidna on the case for muon support!
[22:05] <keithzg> Yeah, sensationalist writing as always. Slashdot, never change! ;) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-May/037074.html has the salient details and the start of the discussion.
[22:05] <Phonon> Riddell: I am not sure that will make sense that much
[22:05] <Phonon> SDK apps will look alien as ubuntu components have nothing to do with qt controls (i.e. desktop components)
[22:07] <Riddell> it's yet another qml toolkit no?  because there aren't enough of those
[22:07] <ScottK> One thing on the TODO is to get them to move their qtcreator plugin to a separate package.
[22:10] <keithzg> Riddel: Yup, it's different from the Plasma one, the (now defunct) MeeGo  one, the Harmattan one, the Jolla one, the Blackberry one . . .
[22:11]  * keithzg figures the the downside of QML being so easy to work with it that it makes it too tempting for entities to roll their own component sets
[22:13] <Riddell> one interesting questions is if ubiquity gets posted to ubuntu sdk would we use that frontend in kubuntu?
[22:42]  * Riddell posts http://blogs.kde.org/2013/05/08/mataro-sessions-ii-breakouts