[00:41] is pcmanfm not copy/pasting files for anybody else? [00:53] Still waiting to see if anyone answers the question i had five days ago, in regards to after updating to Ringtail, I can no longer shut my laptop down anymore. [01:09] hmm. fix releasenames is blowing cpu usage up to 20+ [01:09] That's new since I git pulled [01:10] awe crap, wrong window, sorry [01:12] csc`: have you asked on the forum or mailing list? [01:12] phillw, I don't particularly get decent feedback on Forums and I don't do mailing lists. [01:12] I get enough 'spam' as it is. [01:13] all I want to know is what log I should start looking at, I can more than likely fix it myself if I know where to look [01:15] csc`: when you say 'shut down' do you mean that the shut down option is not available, or if it is what happens when you select it? [01:16] it happens at the splash, only the splash falters and reveals the text sequencing [01:16] it spits no error message out, and i've left it for about 2 hours + to see if it shut down eventually, and it never did [01:17] to be honest i'm probably going to just go back to 12.04 LTS [01:18] csc`: have a try of http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2141890&p=12632626#post12632626 [01:18] at least then we have a chance to see what the error is? [01:20] phillw, I already notice a similarity [01:20] this is a dell inspiron 2200 [01:20] what is bumblebee? [01:21] I'm heading for bed (02:18 am here). feel free to email me on phillw@ubuntu.com with what you find and I'll dig a bit further when I have slept. There are several threads open on "cannot shut down" [01:21] csc`: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bumblebee [01:21] i saw [01:21] but this laptop is intel based [01:22] doesn't contain any nVidia chipset for graphics [01:22] obviously only of use for nvid :) [01:22] does the computer shut down if you tell it to from a console? [01:24] haven't tried [01:24] about to though [01:24] csc`: i.e. Menu --> Accessories --> LXTerminal [01:24] sudo -i [01:24] (enter password) [01:26] hiyas hyperair, and others... I'm off to bed. csc's computer hangs on selecting shutdown. Hopefully the OP will be back after running [01:26] shutdown -h -q now [01:26] to see how it got on. [01:26] hm okay [01:26] hangs on shutdown eh [01:28] hyperair: there are quite a few hits for this with 13.04. He is an intel graphic card, so not a nVid issue. I've suggested using http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2141890&p=12632626#post12632626 so any errors are reported. [01:29] I will leave him to your tender mercy :) [01:31] phillw, no, in fact after doing what the forum post suggested it actually worsened [01:31] csc`: what did you do? [01:31] oh the quiset splash thing? [01:31] removed 'quiet splash' from /etc/default/grub [01:31] and how did it worsen? [01:32] what does it do now that it doesn't do before? [01:32] now i cant even see the last remenants of the shutdown process [01:32] what last remnants? [01:32] because the splash screen still displays [01:32] huh [01:32] and unlike before I modified the file, the splash screen would proceed as normal and fail to text instead [01:32] so you mean that you could see text before? [01:32] now i've got the issue the last guy who posted has [01:32] yes. [01:32] okay [01:32] and no, it had no obvious errors. [01:32] so what did the text say? [01:33] no errors at all. [01:33] typical initscript stuff [01:33] even if there aren't errors, i'd like to know the last log message [01:33] last was timidity shutting down [01:33] that's it? [01:33] that I recall, yes [01:34] could you try again and confirm that? i think the initscripts are parallelized. there could be something else hanging. [01:34] i can confirm that [01:34] uninstall timidity and try again? [01:34] and no, i will not do it again because i've already hard-shutdown over a dozen times because of this bug [01:35] well, if you're not interested in my assistance in debugging the issue then you can continue hard-shutting down. [01:35] No, I already stated I was downgrading to 12.04 LTS. [01:35] downgrading. [01:35] phillw, requested I find the source of the issue [01:35] you can't downgrade an ubuntu installation [01:35] of course you can [01:35] no you can't. [01:36] did you fresh install an older version? [01:36] its called going from version B to version A. [01:36] it doesn't work that way [01:36] how did you perform the downgrade? [01:37] I preserved /home/ and deleted everything else [01:37] that's a fresh install. [01:37] its also downgrading from one version to another, the hard way. [01:37] downgrading bears a different meaning. [01:38] your meaning is clearly obfuscated by that of society [01:38] no it isn't. [01:38] "Reduce to a lower grade, rank, or level of importance." [01:38] Verb. Downgrade. [01:39] downgrading as a technical jargon in the context of ubuntu refers to using the package manager to downgrade all the packages back. [01:39] what you did was a fresh install [01:39] and look, i'm not interested in arguing this issue out with you [01:39] im not using technical jargon, i'm using the definition as stated by the dictionary. [01:39] if you wish to be stubborn, go to #ubuntu and be stubborn instead. there are plenty of people with more patience than i there. [01:39] Not particularly [01:40] I've never received any response to any issue in #ubuntu. [01:40] It has always gone ignored. [01:40] perhaps you weren't there are the correct time. [01:40] Doubtful. [01:40] * hyperair shrugs [01:41] if you would like a 7z of /var/log, you're more than welcome to it [01:41] ah yes please [01:41] but i really don't feel like deciphering this issue due to the 'severity' [01:41] actually, instead of hard-shutting down, could you try this instead: when it hangs, let it hang for a while, then hit alt+sysrq+s, wait 10 seconds, and alt+sysrq+b [01:42] then give me /var/log [01:42] i also had an issue with the proprietary software management system, in which my broadcom card was finally noted in it, but when I tried using the manager to manage the b43 module, i no longer had wireless [01:43] hyperair, may or may be difficult seeing as how i'd have to push four keys and typically keyboards only allow a maximum of three pressed [01:43] it's a laptop, is it? [01:43] Yes. [01:43] and sysrq requires fn? [01:43] Yes. [01:43] you can try doing it without fn [01:43] it seems to work for me [01:44] main button is Print Screen, Fn switches to SysRq [01:44] so it becomes more of Alt+PrtSc+s, wait 10 secs, and Alt+PrtSc+b [01:44] if that goes well, the +b one should reboot the system [01:44] if it doesn't, then try using the fn version [01:45] if that still doesn't work, then... well, just hard-poweroff and give me /var/log anyway [01:48] hyperair, didn't particularly do anything [01:49] hmm, okay. [01:49] then just give me /var/log anyway [01:49] what does "sysctl kernel/sysrq" say? [01:49] 176 [01:51] weird, the magic keys should work. [01:51] i pushed it several times, both with and without the fn key [01:51] could you try poking them now with the system running instead of when it's hanging? [01:52] just to test that the sysrq keys work [01:52] if the sysrq keys work now and not when it's hanging, that means the kernel has had a hard lock up [01:52] which is bad and requires a separate machine to debug. [01:52] sounds about right [01:54] so sysrq works now? [01:55] what will it do [01:55] because im uploading a 7z and transferring my home directory to the desktop via sftp [01:56] hyperair, see notice for the log as of whatever timestamp that has [01:57] alright [01:57] sysrq reboots the machine. [01:58] i mean sysrq+b reboots the machine [01:58] sysrq+s just triggers "sync" [01:58] hmm, how does ubuntu prevent root ssh access? [01:58] but it'll show up in dmesg [01:58] via config? [01:58] not sure what the default looks like, but mine has PermitRootLogin no [01:58] grep PermitRootLogin /etc/ssh/sshd_config [01:59] says yes [01:59] but the request timed out [02:01] bleh, that'll teach me for running things as root [02:01] Is encrypted filesystem support stable in 12.04, hyperair? [02:01] csc`: which kind? the dm-crypt over lvm one? [02:01] if so, then it's been stable since before 8.04 [02:02] preferably LUKS/LVM [02:02] im really not all that fluent when it comes to 'hardcore internals' [02:02] hmm, i see a hung modprobe. [02:03] hyperair, b43 id presume? [02:03] yes [02:03] yeah that was manually done. [02:03] i think that's probably what's causing your shutdown to hang. [02:03] i cannot load it manually anymore after messing with jockey or whatever the proprietary driver management thing is [02:03] it hangs for 5 minutes then dies. [02:03] it actually dies? [02:03] O_O [02:03] modprobe does [02:03] i saw a BUG. that usually results in an unkillable process [02:04] hmm. [02:04] well b43 was working before i messed with it in 'software update settings' [02:04] that wasnt really a big deal from 12.04 [02:04] did it also have the shutdown hangging issue before you messed with it? [02:05] Can't recall tbh [02:05] i don't think I ever shutdown until after I mucked with it [02:06] regardless if you think that's the issue, I'd be willing to choose 13.04 over 12.04 LTS, because the main reason for this switch was to go full paranoia mode with encrypted filesystems [02:06] but theres another issue regarding anything beyond 12.04 [02:06] the damnable PAE crap [02:06] i've been in full paranoia mode with encrypted filesystems since 8.04 [02:06] what's wrong with PAE? [02:06] this laptop doesnt support it [02:06] what?! [02:06] what CPU is that running? [02:06] Pentium M [02:07] [apparently one of the models that allows you to still run a PAE kernel [02:07] * hyperair whistles [02:07] wait, i thought you said it couldn't run a PAE kernel? [02:07] but ubuntu still ragequits [02:07] not without modification, no [02:07] eh? [02:07] I modify proc/cpuinfo [02:07] to force the kernel [02:07] ../proc/cpuinfo is modifiable? [02:08] -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 May 8 10:07 /proc/cpuinfo [02:08] something is [02:08] dunno, installed a package [02:08] what package? [02:09] i love bottlenecks [02:09] =| [02:09] fake-pae - Add missing pae flag to /proc/cpuinfo [02:09] not recommended but I haven't experienced any adverse issues besides these [02:10] interesting [02:10] hyperair: It's some mangled "fake-pae" package, funtimes. https://launchpad.net/~prof7bit/+archive/fake-pae [02:10] Unit193: yeah i just saw [02:10] bind mounts! [02:10] yeah. [02:10] bwahahaha! [02:10] very nice. [02:11] CBF'd to do it manually so I found the package during my journeys [02:11] heh [02:11] you can upgrade to 12.10 from 12.06 [02:11] in any case, can you try seeing if alt+prtsc+s works? [02:12] just hit that key, and after that run dmesg to see if anything happened [02:12] but you'll get annoying messages saying your package manager is broken [02:12] it should show something like [250782.622253] SysRq : Emergency Sync [02:12] yes, it works. [02:13] okay, so we know that your sysrq key works, but you couldn't do anything during the reboot. [02:13] nope [02:13] fubar'd [02:14] sounds like it wasn't a mere stuck process.. [02:14] could you do dmesg | grep BUG and see if you have anything now? [02:14] (you haven't run the modprobe command again have you?) [02:15] no [02:15] not since i upgraded [02:15] [ 16.351941] Kernel BUG at f0bf69da [verbose debug info unavailable] [02:15] oh wait, silly me. there it is. [02:15] yeah that's probably what's causing it. [02:15] is it something I did or something in the kernel/ubuntu [02:16] but not to mention, it's quite a pain to install straight 13.04 on this laptop, no? [02:17] i'd still have to go from 12.04 and upgrade up [02:17] well, yeah i think you need to get the netinst one [02:17] the non-pae netinst installation [02:17] which also allows you to do the LUKS/LVM setup [02:17] not an option [02:17] might i note an added complication: USB Tether [02:17] usb tethering is surprisingly problem free [02:17] is it an android? [02:17] nope [02:18] Palm Pre. [02:18] RNDIS [02:18] you sure have some old hardware there.. [02:18] rndis is about right [02:18] android uses that too [02:18] [224862.927854] rndis_host 2-1.1.4:1.0 usb0: unregister 'rndis_host' usb-0000:00:1d.0-1.1.4, RNDIS device [02:18] * csc` is talking to you right now via said tether [02:18] like that [02:18] tethering is actually pretty damn problem free. [02:18] and it's routed throughout my apartment [02:18] :) [02:18] nice [02:18] well i've had issues in the past [02:18] hang on, you mean that old laptop is the one doing the routing? [02:19] its routing into a router, yes [02:19] i see. [02:19] okay, let's see [02:19] try blacklisting the wl kernel module [02:19] will try, but yeah [02:19] gotta wait for this backup to complete :) [02:20] oh hmm... [02:20] my desktop wont use this stupid wg311v2 [02:20] just drop to a terminal and remove the broadcom-sta-dkms package [02:21] is that some new broadcom driver crap or something? [02:21] Package 'broadcom-sta-dkms' is not installed, so not removed [02:23] hmm [02:23] remove broadcom-sta-source and broadcom-sta-common [02:23] wl is loaded however [02:23] it's loaded? [02:23] O_o [02:23] oh yeah it probably is [02:23] it's just hung [02:23] according to lsmod [02:23] and probably defunct [02:23] is your wifi card working? [02:24] nope. [02:24] okay. [02:24] just remove it then [02:24] rmmod wl && modprobe b43? [02:24] yup [02:24] i'm not sure you can rmmod it [02:24] nope, complains in use [02:24] problem is that it's being modprobed during bootup [02:24] you need to blacklist or remove it [02:25] Error: could not remove module wl: Device or resource busy [02:25] sudo apt-get autoremove --purge broadcom-sta-source broadcom-sta-common [02:25] that [02:25] not rmmod [02:25] i need you to get rid of the package [02:25] neither are installed... [02:25] * hyperair stares [02:26] what does "modinfo wl" say? [02:27] want a pastebin or looking for a specific bit [02:27] just the path [02:27] something like.. [02:27] filename: /lib/modules/3.9.0-hyper1/kernel/drivers/net/netconsole.ko [02:27] http://pastebin.com/J2TqDGgs [02:27] filename: /lib/modules/3.8.0-19-generic/updates/dkms/wl.ko [02:28] hmm dkms [02:28] also im running proposed updates due to hoping it would fix the damn issue [02:28] it had no effect [02:29] no i need you to get rid of the "wl" module someho9w [02:29] from your installation, completely. [02:29] what do you have in /usr/src? [02:29] try dpkg -S /usr/src [02:30] bcmwl-kernel-source [02:30] aha [02:30] purging said package [02:30] yay [02:30] bcmwl-kernel-source* dkms* are to be removed/purged [02:31] dkms is safe to purge? [02:32] er [02:32] well if nothing else depends on it, i guess so [02:32] apt-get autoremove --purge bcmwl-kernel-source [02:32] wants to remove dkms and bcmwl-kernel-source [02:32] when you install something that needs dkms it'll be installed again. [02:32] it'll be fine then [02:32] only other thing i have is virtualbox [02:32] dkms is just a kernel module rebuilder helper thing. [02:33] and virtualbox doesn't use dkms? [02:33] * csc` shrugs [02:33] thought it did [02:33] i think it does [02:33] some things have been a bit wonky [02:33] then just do sudo apt-get install dkms [02:33] but not really as critical as this one [02:33] (it's already installed, this just makes it marked as manually installed so autoremove doesn't try to get rid of it) [02:33] oh boy, removing all dkms modules [02:33] enter the funzone [02:34] heh [02:38] so if all is well [02:38] i should be able to modprobe b43 and receive wireless correct [02:38] yeah [02:38] but you probably need to reboot [02:39] basically now you should be rid of the wl [02:39] and when you boot up the next round, dmesg | grep BUG shouldn't show anything [02:39] and you should be able to shutdown [02:41] yeah modprobe kinda stalls again [02:41] figured id try it for the fun of it [02:41] id presume thats because technically the wl module is still loaded into memory [02:48] you could strace modprobe to see where it hangs [02:48] it's probably a hanging syscall [02:48] tis still hanging [02:48] and unresponsive to ctrl+c [03:04] hyperair, so the netinstall should work with a usb tether, correct? [03:05] csc`: i think it should. [03:07] perhaps got a link to a guide to the netinstall with a non-pae CPU and doing luks/lvm? [03:07] er wait [03:07] haang on... [03:07] i think you can just direct-install it [03:07] using the normal desktop image [03:07] normal image would fail to boot [03:08] iirc your CPU supports pae, but doesn't advertise it in /proc/cpuinfo [03:08] it fails? [03:08] yes [03:08] still fails to boot [03:08] what kernel are you booting right now? [03:08] "blah blah you no has pae supported processor" [03:08] hyperair, im faking cpuinfo, remember [03:09] exactly! [03:09] but the thing is that fake-pae only tricks the *userspace* [03:09] i.e. dpkg. [03:09] it doesn't trick the kernel [03:11] http://www.webupd8.org/2012/11/how-to-install-ubuntu-1210-on-non-pae.html [03:11] hmm [03:11] looks like you need a custom kernel to do this. [03:12] oh [03:12] aha [03:13] csc`: follow the instructions in the link, but instead of the 3.5.x kernels, use the 3.8.x kernels instead [03:18] hyperair, so what about encryption? [03:18] is that fairly seamless in the 13.04 installer? [03:18] (if i choose to nuke the entire laptop and start new, that is) [03:20] uh oh [03:20] ssh died. [03:21] guess its time to see if a reboot works [03:29] hyperair, well good and bad news [03:29] hyperair, sysrq works now, but it still stalled (Pretty sure I know why) [03:30] usually stalls if i keep the tether engaged phone-side [03:45] hmm weird. [03:47] meh [03:47] initializing the tether PC side has improved since upgrading [03:47] so im not really complaining about it hanging if I leave my phone in 'tether mode' [03:48] hyperair, in regards to encryption though, is it fairly seamless with the 13.04 installer? [03:48] csc`: not the desktop one. i think you need the alternate installer [03:48] it's fairly seamless there. [03:48] damnit [03:48] but it's not hard to do the LUKS/LVM partitioning yourself [03:48] i did. [03:49] like i said im dumb when it comes to that [03:49] google some guides [03:49] i use ubuntu based distros on laptops so I don't have to muck with it [03:49] it just works (tm) [03:49] ...usually [03:49] it just works after installation. :) [03:50] so the alternate installer is fairly guided though when it comes to lvm/luks [03:50] yes [03:52] also, hyperair, i should be able to just switch to a non-pae kernel to boot the installer, then just install fake-pae instead of a non-pae kernel, in theory? [03:52] yes [03:52] ie. Follow the guide but instead of installing a kernel install fakepae [03:53] yeah probably [03:53] figured as much [03:54] hopefully i wont run into the issue of the cursed wl driver [03:54] is wl a new replacement for b43? [03:55] also on a side note, i now has wireless [05:29] heh. unetbootin made a gz and not an lz [05:29] =\ === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [06:42] hi, is there a openvpn client gui for LUbuntu that can be used by unprivileged users (means no root rights/password) to connect to a vpn? [06:54] hyperair, neither that guide nor the netinst image for stock ubuntu worked for non-pae [06:55] hm that sucks [06:55] * hyperair doesn't have a pae machine to test [06:55] er a non-pae machine [06:56] the guide modified to use 3.8 instead of 3.5 dropped to an ash terminal [06:57] hyperair, 12.04-alternate for lubuntu should be fairly painless to setup encryption though, i'd presume? [06:58] try and see? [06:58] every try pretty much results in an hour wait [07:00] well [07:00] your guess is as good as mine. [07:09] hopefully im not wasting my time, heh. [07:20] hi, after upgrade to 13.04, after login the screen just stays blue, and lubuntu doesn't start the desktop anymore. Anyone an idea howto fix? [07:21] hi- installation of lubuntu 13.04 are good, on 256MB of ram, but chromium not open page for less memory, help please. [07:45] hi, is there a way for openvpn client to be used by unprivileged users (means no root rights/password) to connect to a vpn on LUbuntu 13.04? [07:47]