[00:00] get a small one (4GB) for ubuntu [00:01] o [00:01] but can ubuntu reconize it? [00:01] cause that is all i really care about [00:01] ali1234: I think I suggested this initially [00:01] Guest81196: yes, it can [00:01] WOOT [00:01] : D [00:02] well that works for me [00:18] where can i find it [00:18] when i have it installed [00:18] the 2nd partition in ubuntu [00:20] it should have an icon on the desktop, I guess === StrontiumCat is now known as RadiumCat === G4MBY is now known as PaulW2U [06:15] Folks, my wireless networking appears completely busted :( [07:54] hello all [07:57] aloha [08:27] Good morning all, happy World Red Cross Red Crescent Day! :-D [08:28] is that a thing? [08:31] SuperMatt, would I lie to you? ;) [08:31] Morning all [08:31] yes.... [08:31] morning [08:32] SuperMatt, http://www.icrc.org/eng/ [08:32] diplo, o/ [08:32] awesome [08:33] good morning everyone, [08:33] brobostigon, o/ [08:34] morning JamesTait [08:35] happy Oh Well, That Was A Nice Summer While It Lasted Day [08:35] Laney, +1 [08:36] Laney: lol [08:36] -1, in that heat and humidity my eczema freaks, so not good. [08:37] I personally prefer this more [08:38] my plans to do several loads of laundry doesn't [08:39] I like this weather when I'm at work, but not coming from or going home on the motor bike. [08:39] ooh! laundry, thanks for the reminder [08:39] I was in the garage yesterday. Peace and quiet and no distractions. [08:39] we tried the Monday purchase yesterday [08:39] you man you [08:39] Today it's too cold in there, so I'm back in the conservatory, and can hear the TV in the lounge. [08:40] I'm supposed to be going for a run in this weather later [08:40] Laney, I should really stop calling it "the garage" and start calling it "my office", since that's what was supposed to happen. [08:40] https://www.weberbbq.co.uk/product/weber-original-charcoal-pizza-oven/ (It is really amazing) [08:41] Pizza! [08:41] also apparently developed in UK [08:41] oh yeah, that's what it is - yesterday i talked about buying a bbq, thereby causing the nice weather to end [08:42] * JamesTait glares at Laney. [08:56] if scotland went independent, can we rescind all their knighthoods? [08:56] Dang it. In 13.04 the bluetooth is crazy crashiy, sometimes my audio codec is not detected at startup and I can't power down the discrete GPU eloquently or adjust the screen brightness. [08:57] And all of this is happening because of closed sourced hardware [08:57] Just crazy [08:58] How many times do we have to reinvent the wheel? [08:58] 12? [08:58] :) that seem about right [08:59] iliketocode: Good thing that you like to code and can try to fix the code. [08:59] Go to it. [08:59] Zing. [09:00] 2 hex core processors (24 total processing cores) [09:00] ^^ what is this witchcraft? [09:01] surely hex core means 6 processing cores per socket [09:01] dodeca? [09:01] I guesstimate that the amount of repetition and parallel work being done because of this insane, fear driven closed metality we are being held back about three decades. [09:02] Yes but I am currently coding something else like most people I suppose [09:03] Okay maybe more like 5 year [09:03] hm, I think I might have ascended from thinking of getting XPS13 or Pixel into considering older Thinkpads. [09:03] But sometimes it feels like a few decades [09:04] (in the meantime I just bought myself more time to consider my options by ordering a replacement keyboard for my current laptop) [09:04] similarly, the datasheet says single 4 core processor (8 processing cores) [09:04] this is lies innit? [09:04] * Laney did that by getting an SSD [09:04] miracles happened [09:04] Laney: I'd need my screen replaced and I'm not sure this old warhorse is worth that [09:05] Yes will all the issues I just mentioned are happening on a DELL XPS L501X [09:05] self repairable? [09:05] not that i've ever done that, just heard of people doing so [09:06] Myrtti, Screen replacement is pretty straight forward if you can find a inexpensive replacement online. [09:06] there's light and dark glitches, not entirely sure where the problem is exactly. I suspect they're dead insects. Thrips, thunderbugs or whatever they are called [09:07] at some point it does become the better option to just give in and buy a new one though [09:07] also the led's are semidead [09:07] leds, even [09:07] i hope by the time this laptop gives up we have decent support for high-dpi displays in linux [09:07] mungbean, I believe that would be referring to Multi Threading [09:08] hyper [09:08] * popey eats some gummi bears and acts hyper [09:08] Myrtti, Hey I also just brought a new replacement keyboard, a back lit one [09:09] Yes thanks Laney, that what I ment [09:09] * Laney thinks about blueprints [09:09] *meant [09:09] hyper threading does not multiply the processing cores [09:09] HT = logical cores [09:09] still the number of processing cores remains static [09:09] mungbean, Intel thinks it does [09:10] iliketocode: No. [09:10] iliketocode: http://ark.intel.com/products/65713/Intel-Core-i7-3517UE-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-2_80-GHz [09:10] Don't tell them they might get upset [09:10] Just kidding. [09:11] http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/7/4309936/spotify-nightmare-chrome-extension-lets-users-download-any-song oops [09:11] That was just the impression I got from the Intel fan boys when it first came out [09:11] Yes I was a bit of an AMD fan boy [09:11] popey: yeah, saw that - "d'oh" [09:11] * popey considers himself neither an Intel nor ARM fan boy [09:11] iliketocode: the OS displays more processors, but they are logical. the actual processing cores is sockets x cores [09:12] however I refuse to buy AMD(ATI) video cards [09:12] * mungbean is an ARm sharholder [09:13] Yeah I have has some pretty big Linux (open) related problems with AMD(ATI) in the past and now I am having issues with Nvidia [09:13] Crazyness [09:14] Maybe next time I will get a Laptop from System 76 [09:14] I think I would rather build my own though [09:14] I've had no nvidia based issues for the last couple of years really === YaManicKill_ is now known as YaManicKill === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [09:15] With a risk based processor [09:15] Cool popey [09:15] Glade to hear it === mgdm_ is now known as mgdm [09:15] has decided that the datasheet is wrong, suppored by other datasheets on the web and facts he alerady believes to be true [09:15] for future reference, when wrestling with wifi problems, first port of call should be changing the channel on the router. Gah. [09:16] shrik: use wifi anaylser on android to assess channel busyness [09:16] The card I am referring to is a mobile card which figures I suppose [09:16] mungbean, sweet [09:17] yeah, i had awful wifi reception at the last sprint in oakland, turned out the hotel hadn't turned off their most powerful wifi access point which was directly above my head, and conflicted with the canonical access points [09:17] mungbean: that's what I ended up doing (after overcoming a mild twitch at the word 'analyzer') -- solid app, that [09:17] silly rabbits [09:18] i started being able to see my 5ghz network at home after upgrading to saucy [09:18] \o/ === LjL^ is now known as LjL [09:23] I am quite apprehensive to try again to install the Nvidia proprietary driver on 13.04 for my GF GT 420M as every previous attempt has resulted in a very dead Unity. [09:24] how can i find out if my wireless card supports wireless n..? [09:25] iwconfig [09:26] hmm [09:26] output of iwconfig says: eth2 IEEE 802.11abg [09:26] abg :) [09:26] wireless n doesn't work for my intel 4965agn on linux :( [09:27] And also prefer the idea of running an open source driver just wish switcheroo work a little more smoothly [09:27] but the output of [09:27] but the output of 'iw list' shows 5+ GHz frequencies as "disabled" [09:27] Band 2: [09:27] Frequencies: [09:27] * 5170 MHz [34] (disabled) [09:27] * 5180 MHz [36] (20.0 dBm) (passive scanning, no IBSS) [09:27] and so on [09:28] What driver are you using? [09:28] the bcmwl thingy [09:28] Oh [09:28] Well [09:29] Broadcom [09:29] right, Broadcom [09:29] I wish they did't exist [09:29] the bane of my Ubuntu life [09:31] If it an easy thing for you to order a replacement open friendly wireless card I highly recommend that you do [09:31] I have see them form 5 to 20 bucks [09:32] would it be easy to replace on an old-ish laptop? [09:32] An if you are in the states, europe or the uk then your options are huge and shipping is quit often free [09:32] Yes it could be [09:33] The only three things I can thinks of are, [09:33] ah ok [09:33] 1) PCI version [09:33] 2) Card size [09:33] 3) OEM BIOS lockout BS [09:34] The last one is the sole reason why I will not buy HP any more [09:34] All the best and bye for now [09:34] thanks a bunch, iliketocode [09:36] morning all. o/ [09:41] pip pip [09:41] moring === RadiumCat is now known as NimChimpsky [09:47] Gooooood Morning! [09:47] I should go get more coffee [09:51] I got back to my desk which still has half a glass of coke on it :) [09:51] morning all [09:52] morning [09:52] ewww coke [09:53] ewww fizzy sugar solution [09:54] coke is a bad cola [09:54] but cola can be delicious [09:54] it doesn't seem so bad [09:55] ew. it's very flat :( [09:56] it's like cold overnight coffee, you either love it or hate it [09:57] had my first (half) can of cokes in years [09:57] t'other day [09:57] felt guilty [09:57] and jittery [09:58] why guilty? [09:58] yeah, I started drinking Dr Pepper zero as my substance that I convert into productivity [09:58] coca cola is overly fizzy, and has a sludgey flavour. [09:58] it's much better than Coke, but probably a good deal more awful in health terms [09:58] Seeker`: guilty about my teeth [09:58] i keep finding new tasty colas which get discontinued :( [09:58] mungbean: half a can won't rot your teeth [09:58] this is where ikonia joins in and laments the cola market [10:00] meh stopped buying humble bundles after i realised i don't actually play them [10:01] which colas are better? That sounds like another set of drinks with good scope for interesting variety, actually [10:03] mungbean: I bought it, which means I've oficially paid for psychonauts 3 times already [10:03] 1) when it first came out, 2) when it was in a bundle, 3) this new bundle [10:37] I just drink coffee, and sometimes don't even turn it in to productivity. [10:41] Head Desk [10:42] coffee just sets a new basline [10:47] myh, my amaretti didn't taste nice :-( [10:47] (or right) === NimChimpsky is now known as RadiumCat [11:18] 7week old baby did a loud fart and dog barked cos she thought it was somebody knocking at the door [11:18] o_O === RadiumCat is now known as RadiumCat[bbl] === jelmer_ is now known as jelmer [12:10] anyone have recomendations for making screen cast things? eg: tutorials for youtube of some app usage? [12:12] kazam [12:12] or vokoscreen === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson [13:03] You know you live in the future, when her majesty the queen uses the word 'cyberspace' [13:03] funny you should say tht [13:03] it makes me think we're still in the 80s [13:04] +1 [13:05] haha [13:06] christel: <3 never leave us again [13:06] haha [13:07] she left us? [13:07] ㋛ [13:07] i wasn't intending to come back for some time but then some staff had a meltdown and demanded that i return immediately [13:07] popey: only for five and a half months, noting noticeable ;) [13:07] christel: ah so we just had to have a mini melt down and you'd have come back [13:07] heh [13:07] shudda done it sooner [13:07] i was intending to be gone for a while longer :) [13:08] haha [13:08] how very dare you [13:08] if anyone remembers my baby @ wedding convo the other day... [13:08] I tried to emulate somekind of motherly presense but my snark and sarcasm didn't masquerade too well [13:08] see, i figured it was safest that way -- pregnancy turns me into a hormonal wreck so my thinking was that it would be safest for users if i well, wasnt around [13:08] lest i kline them all for existing [13:09] mungbean: how could we not :) [13:09] christel: oh I can give you a list :) [13:09] we emailed the couple and they said "we had unanimous agreement that babes in arms should come along, will be v happy to see you all" [13:09] "also tell XXX who is due soon too" [13:10] aww :) [13:10] i am missing out on two weddings due to "no children" clauses (she'll be 4 and 7 weeks respectively so still very much attached to the boob) -- i clearly timed it badly :) === RadiumCat[bbl] is now known as RadiumCat [13:11] I was impressed with the patience the people running my friend's citizenship ceremony showed in the face of three crying babies yesterday [13:11] people stipulate no babies at weddings now? [13:11] well i would take any baby outside who was crying [13:12] i get a lot of practice at church every week [13:12] dwatkins: yeah [13:12] depends on the place you are, [13:12] but there is a separate room with live video feed for nursing parents [13:12] babies cry, fact :) [13:12] I'm quite surprised at that - what if a vitally important guest got pregnant between the wedding being arranged and it happening... [13:12] (depends on the person(s) i guess, some do, some doesnt) :) [13:12] cry , poo, sleep, rinse and repeat [13:12] mungbean: your first? [13:12] 2nd [13:13] cool [13:13] my 2nd is 2 in sept, time flies [13:13] 7 weeks atm [13:13] awesome [13:13] yeah... [13:13] bigcalm is doing the "no kids" thing for his so they sorta had to uninvite me, though he said itw as because they didnt fancy entertaining children -- i guess it would be unfair on other parents if they okayed me bringing a newborn after telling everyone else "no kids" :) [13:13] i might agree soon :P [13:13] mungbean: 7 to go or 7 gone? :) [13:13] I used to help out with Sunday school, there were always loads of kids running around, so I'm always surprised at any event that effectively bans them (apart from something like a night club, obviously) [13:13] gone [13:14] :) [13:14] i'm thankful i've passed the no sleep stage with my two yay! [13:14] its so much harder with another toddler already runnign around [13:14] how old is your first? :) [13:15] 3yrs 4 months [13:15] our situation has to be the most bizare ever....4 people in my family, 2 birthdays :D [13:15] :) [13:16] hehe [13:16] my 3yr old decides he hates daddy speaking to him, or doing anything for him when mummy is around [13:16] when mummy not around, he says i'm super [13:16] funny that, my daughter is the same [13:16] NOOOO DADDY DONT SPEAK [13:16] * popey boggles [13:17] feisty young man [13:17] my 4.5 year old is "daddy lets fight with lightsabers, mummies can't do that" lol [13:17] when he's good, he's wonderful [13:17] he laughs more with me than with mummy, and generally rally enjoys himself [13:18] (i am bringing a newborn on the ubuntu rat in september mind!) [13:18] brave [13:18] blimey [13:18] that seems... unwise [13:19] haha i reckon it'll be fine, you weren't all that rowdy last time! [13:19] we're not the only people on the train [13:19] christel: give them a dummy dipped in beer let them sleep ;) [13:19] ew dummies are for dollies! ;) [13:19] trains have a calming effect [13:19] christel: yeah your right :) [13:19] MooDoo: if she's anything like her brother she probably wont do much bar sleep for the first few months [13:19] dummies shouldn't be reintroduced after 3 months. mine woldn't take it before then anyway [13:20] oh...colic o'clock [13:20] christel: bless :D [13:20] ours had dummy till they were ~4 iirc [13:20] maybe 3 [13:20] they both "gave them away" [13:20] aww :) [13:20] Sophie switched to thumb [13:21] which she was advised not to do by dentist [13:21] son gave his away to babies that didn't have one :) and daughter hasn't had one [13:21] now she has a brace [13:21] my boy has a comfort blanket like linus [13:21] although it remains tie to his bed now, rather than taking it everywhere [13:21] cool my son has teddies in his bed lots of them [13:21] think we need a #ubuntu-babychat channel ;) [13:21] mine has shaun the sheep and neep and the snowman [13:22] Sophie had "raggy", sam has "taggy" [13:22] found a good snowman game on android [13:22] snowman and snowdog [13:22] introduced angry bird star wars yesterday and he loved it [13:22] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Taggies-Little-Polker-Dot/dp/B004X0WEE8/ [13:22] those [13:22] he loves star wars even though he doesn't know what it is [13:22] :S [13:22] see, i used to think i was being all clever by not introducing any comforters of any kind... as a result i have a 3 and a nearly half year old who will dive down the front of my clothes to hunt for the boob whenever he is upset/tired/annoyed/whatever... balance, i missed it and it backfired [13:22] he just knows its something great [13:22] yeah, sam only saw star wars recently [13:23] he still hasnt seen III [13:23] not missing much, but the vader story [13:23] he only knows star wars lego pyjamas and me singing the imperial march song [13:23] and already knows how awesome it is [13:23] that confuses my adult mind [13:24] my son is into avengers at the moment.. [13:24] what's that? [13:24] when he grows up he'll realise DC > Marvel [13:24] The Avengers [13:24] SuperMatt: he's a superman fan as well :D [13:24] Good lad [13:25] we have a big stash of comics in the loft [13:25] i don't like them though [13:26] I got a dandy and beano annual for christmas :) [13:27] oh thats different. beano rules [13:27] :D [13:27] i just don't get the marvel/dc stuff [13:27] they are a bit weird to me [13:27] i've tried reading and just filled with meh [13:28] i'm looking forward to taking my sone to warhammer world here in notts :) [13:29] is it a museum? [13:29] interesting news on ubuntu looking for new ways to do apps [13:30] i have to take a day off work to let my wife go to cinema to see star trek [13:30] mungbean: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?categoryId=2200008&aId=21000003a [13:31] i don't mind GW so long as its a gatewy drug to airfix :P [13:32] as a more noble hobby [13:32] \o/ Podcast day [13:32] mecanno next [13:32] that gundam/gunpla stuff seems huge in japan [13:32] yay for podcasts [13:33] i know this lovely guy who used to "work" for games workshop [13:33] he is the cutest [13:33] ? [13:33] but i've never met you christel ;) [13:34] MooDoo: i was talking about ian livingstone ;) [13:34] christel: I know you was talking about someone else lol [13:34] i introduced mc44/moocow to him on friday [13:34] it was absolutely hilarious [13:34] mc44 was all "OMG I AM ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST FANS AND I LOVED YOUR BOOKS WHEN I WAS A KID AND OH MAN I AM MAKING SUCH A FOOL OF MYSELF AND YOU'RE PROBABLY FINDING THIS REALLY AWKWARD" [13:35] and ian is all "Oh, no i always enjoy meeting an old fan... which of the fighting fantasy books was your favourite?" [13:35] "..." *blank stare" "I HAVE NO IDEA!" [13:35] yeah i read all the fighting fantasy books from the 1st one [13:35] city of thieves [13:35] ::) [13:35] -: [13:35] island of the lizard king [13:36] i never managed to finish return to firetop mountain, i still maintain this must be due to a printing error! [13:36] was one of the only ones that didn't end on 400 [13:36] my sister drew an awesome map of the city of thieves [13:36] a wasted talent she has [13:36] :) [13:42] playing fighting fantasy on the kindle aint quite the same [13:42] wikipedia not working...bad sign [13:43] waiting for bits.wikimedia.org [13:43] i'm surprised they didn't move to online sooner really [13:43] i mean that stuff is ideal for the web [13:43] even web 1.0 lol [13:44] not sure if that makes sense [13:45] a friend was telling me about an ipad game where the screen is blank and you hear 2 voices telling you what to do (one of them benedict cumberpants) [13:46] https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/the-nightjar/id431598741?mt=8 [13:50] I started with Citadel of Chaos, the artwork on the front brings back happy memories for me: http://www.fightingfantasycollector.co.uk/book_covers.htm [13:52] :D [13:52] does this link work? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_Fantasy [13:53] after a while i stopped bothering with throwing the dice for fight scenes [13:54] i had 1-18 [13:54] yay for tablet with 3g, working from the pub in the sun. [13:56] my missis got a galaxy tab 10.1 hand-me-down...really nice [13:57] :) [13:59] far nicer than my touchpad [14:01] brobostigon: which tablet? [14:06] mungbean: yes, link works [14:06] I wrote my own choose-your-own-adventure book once, it had 10 pages. [14:06] dwatkins: works now [14:06] :) [14:06] was shagged before [14:06] ah I see, silly wikipedia and all the traffic they get [14:07] i wrote one in geography gcse class in 1986 [14:07] all that money i give them [14:07] i failed geography [14:07] i got C in geog, then they sent my paper back and i got a B [14:07] mine was for english class [14:07] the marker hadn't bothered marking it properly [14:08] i wrote mine as we went along, when someone made a choice I didn't have a page for, i wrote it [14:08] i just had 2 choices per page [14:08] sounds a lot like a wiki [14:08] or the web [14:08] if you chose option A then Page = Page * 2, if you chose option B then Page = (Page * 2) +1 [14:08] :D [14:08] did anyone else not bother with the dice battles? [14:09] * dwatkins gingerly raises his hand [14:09] would be lame to buy the book and say, nah couldn't finish it cos some goblins came along [14:09] i was hoenst with the potions etc [14:09] you drank beer, lose 10 strength [14:10] i also liked twin kingdom valley on the acorn [14:10] mungbean: yes, that game was great [14:10] It had very few images, drawn slowly, but fuelled my imagination [14:10] the grate is locked [14:11] unlock grate [14:11] noes! [14:11] a grate is open [14:11] down [14:11] it is dark here [14:11] light lamp [14:11] mine started in a pub, you had two choices, leave pub or switch on jukebox.. [14:11]