[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[06:24] <Kilos> morning all
[06:54] <henkj> morning
[06:57] <Vince-0> g'day
[07:10] <superfly> *yaw*
[07:10] <superfly> *sigh*
[07:10] <superfly> ow
[07:10] <superfly> *yawn
[07:11] <superfly> morning morgs
[07:11] <morgs> morning superfly
[07:37] <superfly> morning maiatoday, psyatw
[07:38] <psyatw> morning superfly
[07:38] <psyatw> morning maiatoday
[07:38] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos waar is jy, oom?
[07:38] <Maaz> superfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[07:38] <psyatw> what time is it there, superfly?
[07:38] <psyatw> here it's 9:38 am
[07:38] <superfly> psyatw: last time I checked, the same
[07:39] <psyatw> superfly, that's nice, I remember there was a 1-hour difference at some point
[07:40] <superfly> psyatw: only if you have daylight savings
[07:40] <superfly> we don't
[07:40] <psyatw> oh, now I understand
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> for person in *;do echo "morning ${person}";done
[07:53] <superfly> bwahahaha, morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> bzzzzz bzz bzzzzz, fly! :)
[08:56] <inetpro> good mornings
[09:05] <psyatw> good vibes to you as well, inetpro
[09:05] <psyatw> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[09:06] <psyatw> and HawkiesZA 
[10:02] <inetpro> thanks psyatw
[10:03] <inetpro> wb mrs_fly_
[10:03] <inetpro> superfly: she has a tail?
[10:07] <superfly> inetpro: so she does
[10:08] <inetpro> ai!
[11:18] <magespawn> good day
[11:27] <nuvolari_> hmm, what happened there
[11:28] <nuvolari> hello
[11:43] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[11:43] <magespawn> cool google doodle today
[12:21] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[12:21] <Kilos> power just returned
[12:21] <Kilos> sigh
[12:24] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[12:24]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[12:24] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[12:25] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh good idea
[12:25] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee please
[12:25] <Maaz> inetpro: Yessir
[12:25] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday HawkiesZA ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> goeie middag oom
[12:26] <inetpro> oja en wb Kilos
[12:26] <Kilos> haha you also starting
[12:26] <Kilos> ty inetpro 
[12:26] <inetpro> wat was fout?
[12:26] <Kilos> krag het af gegaan
[12:27] <Kilos> grrrr
[12:27] <inetpro> ai! Al weer!?
[12:27] <Kilos> i dunno if its eskom pushing for a bigger increase or local peeps working
[12:27] <inetpro> seriously don't think it's Eskom
[12:28] <Kilos> well whoever it is its a nuisance without forewarning
[12:28] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro!
[12:28] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[12:28] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[12:30] <Kilos> so the drive im trying to get going has had another knock
[12:55] <Kilos> hi Trixar_za 
[12:55] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos
[12:56] <Kilos> did you see the lists mail
[12:56] <Kilos> senior unix admin oke wanted
[12:56] <Trixar_za> Really? I didn't get that one yet
[12:56] <Kilos> maybe you too junior
[13:06] <Kilos> i hope one of the guys from here gets the job
[13:54] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[13:57] <smile4ever> hi Kilos :p
[13:57] <smile4ever> wikipedia is down
[13:57] <Kilos> aw
[13:57] <smile4ever> Can you fix it for me? :)
[13:57] <smile4ever> I've found over a thousand links
[13:57] <smile4ever> ;)
[13:58] <Kilos> lol other way around
[13:58] <Kilos> mail thier admin guys
[13:58] <Kilos> their
[13:58] <smile4ever> they are already investigating the problem
[13:58] <Kilos> whats the link smile4ever 
[13:58] <Kilos> ah
[13:58] <smile4ever> maybe a broken switch
[13:58] <smile4ever> ;)
[14:55] <Kilos> yo Cantide magespawn 
[14:56] <Cantide> hello '-'/
[15:05] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[15:05] <Vince-0> hii'
[15:11] <acherv_> hi @all
[15:11] <Kilos> hi acherv_ 
[15:12] <acherv_> hi Kilos 
[15:12] <acherv_> long time ?
[15:12] <Kilos> yeah , where you been
[15:12] <acherv_> I am still around
[15:13] <acherv_> just to busy to connect myself to IRC
[15:13] <Kilos> the corner?
[15:13] <Kilos> hehe
[15:13] <Kilos> ai! thats tough
[15:13] <acherv_> Kilos, lol
[15:13]  * acherv_ use XUbuntu now
[15:13] <Kilos> nice
[15:13] <Kilos> takes some getting used to
[15:16]  * acherv_ want to also try edubuntu 
[15:16] <Kilos> what about kubuntu?
[15:18] <acherv_> too heavy for me
[15:18] <acherv_> I am also trying it
[15:18] <acherv_> nice graphic but heavy
[15:19] <Kilos> ya bit slow here too
[15:19] <acherv_> I like something fast and simple
[15:19] <Kilos> needs a fast pc
[15:19] <Kilos> thats why i still use 12.04 and 10.10
[15:20] <Kilos> 12.04 kubuntu is not bad here nor is unity
[15:20] <acherv_> about that
[15:20] <acherv_> I have some issues with this 13.04
[15:21] <Kilos> whats the prob?
[15:21] <acherv_> it is a bit slow to load something
[15:22] <Kilos> nuvolari, 13.04 xubuntu
[15:22] <acherv_> we(users) like fast OS
[15:22] <Kilos> nuvolari, is the xubuntu man
[15:22] <Kilos> lol yeah
[15:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't found 13.04 to be any slower than 12.10
[15:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i had by sound not working ther other day, but its behaved since then
[15:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> s/by/my
[15:23] <acherv_> ThatGraemeGuy,  because you have a fastest PC
[15:23] <acherv_> ThatGraemeGuy, hi
[15:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmm oh that might be it :-o
[15:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> i forget sometimes
[15:24] <acherv_> I am just using it to my laptop
[15:24] <acherv_> i can try to my old pc
[15:24] <Kilos> i find the windows that fade when you chande uses up time
[15:24] <Kilos> needs lotsa ram methnks
[15:26] <acherv_> it's a big issue but Canonical suppose to be remain why we are using ubuntu 
[15:26] <acherv_> pardon me !
[15:26] <acherv_> It is not a big issue 
[15:30] <Kilos> nope, just slow
[15:49] <acherv_> .
[15:50] <Kilos> wb acherv_ what happened
[15:50] <acherv_> sorry
[15:51] <acherv_> i just want to know if ubuntu 10.04 still support
[15:53] <Cantide> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_operating_system#Releases
[15:53] <Cantide> the desktop will be until tomorrow
[15:54] <Cantide> and the server until april 2015
[15:54] <Cantide> according to that wikipedia page >.<
[15:59] <acherv_> Cantide, thx
[15:59] <superfly> acherv_: 12.04 and up, pretty much
[15:59] <Cantide> i'd switch to a newer version if i were you
[15:59] <superfly> one of my open source projects recently stopped supporting our app on anything older than 12.04
[15:59] <Cantide> from what i've read, 13.04 is quite good - but if you need LTS then 12.04 as superfly said
[16:00] <superfly> we used to support from 10.04 up, but the packages on there are so old they don't work for what we need anymore
[16:00] <acherv_> Cantide, i am using 12.04 and 13.04
[16:00] <superfly> for a desktop there's no reason not to use the latest and greatest
[16:03] <acherv_> Cantide, for myself I try ubuntu 13.04 to differents PCs
[16:03] <acherv_> I am not to satisfy  
[16:03] <Cantide> hmm, looks good to me, but i guess everyone has their own opinion
[16:04] <superfly> I haven't noticed any issues with it, and one of my work colleagues said that he found it faster and better than 12.10
[16:04] <superfly> (not to mention less buggy)
[16:04] <superfly> but we also use fairly high-end machines because we're developers
[16:05] <Cantide> 12.10 was too buggy for me :<
[16:05] <Cantide> so i'm still on 13.04
[16:05] <superfly> Cantide: you mean 12.04 ?
[16:05] <Cantide> but i'll be building a new PC in about 6 months
[16:05] <Cantide> oh yeah, that's what i meant :p
[16:05] <Cantide> so i'm holding out for now :)
[16:05] <superfly> I'm going to move to Debian
[16:06] <Cantide> why?
[16:06] <superfly> eventually...
[16:06] <superfly> a more vanilla KDE experience
[16:06] <Cantide> i think 14.04 will either make or break Ubuntu
[16:06] <superfly> they still use kdm
[16:06] <Cantide> oh, i'm not a KDE fan.. so :>
[16:06] <superfly> I don't care for lightdm and its pile of bugs
[16:07] <Cantide> things take time to mature >_>
[16:07] <superfly> Cantide: at least I know I'm on a decent platform... if you've ever seen any of the Gnome code, you'd wonder why it still works
[16:07] <superfly> Cantide: yes, and kdm is far more mature than lightdm
[16:07] <Cantide> yeah
[16:07] <Cantide> i'll wait for 14.04 and then decide
[16:08] <Cantide> i've somehow managed to get used to unity
[16:11] <acherv_> Cantide, superfly nice comparison
[16:12] <Kilos> lightdm gave me lotsa probs but installing gdm sorted that
[16:12] <acherv_> if you have a new and fast PC you arent going to have the issue
[16:12] <acherv_> i am to talking to
[16:14] <acherv_> Ubuntu for me it's fast, simple in short user-friendly 
[16:15] <acherv_> it is why some like Xubuntu I guess
[16:17] <Cantide> ubuntu does what i need it to do :)
[16:17] <Cantide> i think that's why i like it :)
[16:18] <acherv_> even me
[16:19] <acherv_> but i need it to be fast
[16:19] <Cantide> windows does tons of other rubbish, too, and does the things i need to do very poorly
[16:19] <Cantide> yeah, i like lightweight systems myself
[16:19] <Cantide> probably why i have high hopes for 14.04
[16:20] <acherv_> Cantide, please avoid to speak about windows
[16:20] <Kilos> hehe
[16:21] <Cantide> :p
[16:48] <confluency> You guys, you can just replace lightdm with gdm or kdm.
[16:48] <Kilos> yip when you install it opens a windows asking which one you choose
[16:49] <Kilos> oh sorry confluency half read 
[16:49] <confluency> I had to do it at home because for some reason the lag between me moving the mouse between screens and the controls switching to that screen was something like 10 seconds, which led to hilarity.
[16:50] <Kilos> yeah gave me probs as well till i went gdm and kdm
[16:51] <confluency> You can also just install packages for different window managers instead of switching to a whole other *buntu.
[16:52] <Kilos> i run ubuntu on one drive and kubuntu on a second drive
[16:52] <confluency> Any particular reason why? You could just switch between WMs at the login prompt and share the same install.
[16:53] <Kilos> nope, just did one at a time so if a drive crashed id still have a working one
[17:52] <Kilos> HawkiesZA, you here?
[17:59] <Cantide> ah
[18:00] <Cantide> that email on the mailing list
[18:00] <Kilos> what?
[18:00] <Cantide> why not use a flash drive?
[18:00] <Cantide> cheaper, smaller and easier to mail
[18:00] <Cantide> also less prone to failure from being moved around a lot
[18:01] <Kilos> ya drives need to be handled with care
[18:01] <Kilos> no bumps etc
[18:02] <Cantide> imagine it crashing after going through a few hands ,_,
[18:02] <Kilos> sticks fit anywhere
[18:02] <Cantide> yeah
[18:02] <Cantide> i'm not sure if the person who sent that mail is here on IRC >_>
[18:02] <Kilos> lol i spend most of my time trying to fix drives that arent working anymore
[18:02] <Cantide> lol
[18:03] <acherv_> Kilos, really
[18:03] <Cantide> i give up on them and get new ones if i can
[18:03] <Kilos> yes acherv_ and do the odd data recoveries too
[18:03] <acherv_> Kilos, thats nice
[18:03] <Cantide> i hope my SSD doesn't fail any time soon
[18:04] <Kilos> very interesting and you learn lots
[18:04] <acherv_> Cantide, SSD is very strong 
[18:04] <acherv_> more than HDD
[18:04] <Cantide> physically, yes
[18:04] <Cantide> but i don't know much about data integrity
[18:04] <Cantide> and flash storage >_>
[18:05] <Kilos> ssd's should be similar to sticks methinks. no moving parts to get damaged
[18:05] <Cantide> yes, very similar
[18:05] <Cantide> also, not magnetic - so nice for me to travel with it
[18:06] <acherv_> but expensive
[18:06] <Cantide> yes
[18:06] <Cantide> but they've come down a lot
[18:06] <Cantide> i bought mine for less than 1K
[18:07] <Cantide> (overseas)
[18:07] <Kilos> sticks too have got so much cheaper too
[18:07] <Cantide> yeah
[18:07] <Cantide> i'm considering buying another one
[18:07] <Cantide> because i installed 13.04 on my 8GB :p
[18:07] <Kilos> game advertised 32g sticks for R199 yesterday
[18:08] <Cantide> hmm
[18:08] <Cantide> i tend to avoid the very large ones at the moment
[18:11] <Kilos> wb acherv 
[18:11] <acherv> sorry
[18:11] <Kilos> np
[18:11] <acherv> my connection
[18:12] <Kilos> ya our internet is getting worse by the day
[18:13] <Kilos> i think the flood of smart phones is overloading the net here
[18:13] <Kilos> lotsa upgrading needed
[18:13] <acherv> and also expensive for nothing
[18:18]  * acherv read an article about edubuntu
[18:19] <Kilos> oh ive also tried lubuntu acherv 
[18:19] <Kilos> that was fast but not my cuppa tea
[18:20] <acherv> that lubuntu this i am so confuse something
[18:20] <acherv> let's me ask
[18:20] <acherv> which one?
[18:20] <acherv> the ubuntu one or fedara?
[18:21] <Kilos> 12.04 because i have saved all the packages so dont need lotsa data to update/upgrade
[18:21] <Kilos> ubuntu
[18:21] <acherv> anyway not yet
[18:21] <acherv> but I heard a lot about
[18:22] <acherv> they said it is the fastest one
[18:22] <Kilos> ya it was fast
[18:23] <Kilos> if its speed you want install mate on your ubuntu
[18:23] <Kilos> mate on lubuntu was very fast
[18:23] <Kilos> gnome2
[18:23] <acherv> i am tired with this connection
[18:24] <Kilos> 3g?
[18:24] <acherv> I dont know telkom
[18:24] <Kilos> mobile or cable?
[18:25] <acherv> mobile
[18:25] <Kilos> ya telkom mobile is very sick at the moment
[18:25] <Kilos> i think they didnt plan on the growth theyve had
[18:25] <Cantide> mine seems to be okay..
[18:26] <acherv> Cantide, you are luvky
[18:26] <acherv> lucky
[18:29] <Kilos> mine is stable but slow
[18:29] <Kilos> doesnt often lose connection
[18:31] <acherv> mine is very sick 
[18:32] <smile4ever> good night!
[18:32] <smile4ever> :)
[18:32] <Cantide> good night '-'/
[18:32] <acherv> smile4ever, nite
[18:32] <smile4ever> thanks :)
[18:49] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:01] <magespawn> good evening all
[19:02] <inetpro> hmmm...
[19:02] <inetpro> looks like everyone running away just before I step in
[19:02] <inetpro> good evening
[19:04] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[19:04] <magespawn> had a similar thought
[19:04] <inetpro> magespawn: howzit
[19:04] <magespawn> maybe we are just up too late
[19:04] <magespawn> good and you?
[19:04] <inetpro> hmm... good point
[19:04] <inetpro> so maybe time to sleep early?
[19:05] <inetpro> tough with 8ta's night owl data
[19:05] <magespawn> nah busy copying data from a portaboe drive
[19:05] <magespawn> on cell c here
[19:06] <magespawn> and vodacom
[19:16] <magespawn> inetpro did you read the mails that started with kbmonkey about the drives?
[19:16] <inetpro> nope
[19:17] <inetpro> been way to busy in the last few days/weeks/months/years :-)
[19:17] <inetpro> not sure when last I was not busy
[19:18] <magespawn> just caught up on them myself, the basic idea is to have a hard drive with the complete ubuntu mirror for off line use
[19:18] <magespawn> then courier around for people
[19:18] <inetpro> and sometimes feels like I'm fooling myself by saying that, but honestly I have little time for any extra emails that I could rather ignore without implication
[19:19] <magespawn> indeed i know what you mean
[19:19] <inetpro> sadly I must add
[19:20] <magespawn> why sadly?
[19:21] <magespawn> howdy acherv
[19:23] <acherv> magespawn, hi
[19:28] <magespawn> channel has gone a bit quite, people off to bed maybe
[19:28] <magespawn> or busy
[19:30] <acherv> magespawn, a bit
[19:30] <acherv> magespawn, whats up?
[19:31] <acherv> Cantide, .
[19:31] <magespawn> not much just catching up with emails and social networks
[19:32] <acherv> nice
[19:34] <magespawn> what we do for relaxtion in the digital era
[19:35] <acherv> dont know
[19:38] <magespawn> that is what i am doing for relaxtion
[19:40] <inetpro> oh magespawn, sadly because it was always fun to contribute by email, even if it was just in very a small way, a few years ago
[19:41] <magespawn> inetpro: times will change again
[19:41] <inetpro> we hope so yes
[19:42] <magespawn> they always do
[20:01] <magespawn> i also off, good night all
[20:16] <superfly> inetpro: it looks like your DNS tip might have paid off. NFS (or more specifically, my photos) seems to be MUCH faster tonight
[20:17] <inetpro> great!
[20:17] <inetpro> probably something that one should investigate in more detail but DNS can definitely be a pain
[20:53] <sweeter> hay