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peyamHi00:13
peyamHow are you00:13
Said_Hello, I have a problem when trying to suspend my computer, it wakes up right after. Any suggestions? (Xubuntu 13.04)00:57
SlipageHi Guys, I have a question, just download 13.04 and wanting to use this on a usb key drive. having troubles booting from it, I have tried the program li li usb creater but its giving me errors on boot up ( would like to create this from windows ), any suggestions or better method? Thanks04:57
nukkeSlipage: first, make sure your download isn't corrupted. second, use either "easy usb installer" or unetbootin to copy the image to your flash drive. third, make sure you have your motherboard set up so that it boots from the usb device05:33
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LachezarHello all...08:14
LachezarI was just trying to upgrade Xubuntu 12.10 to Xubuntu 13.04 and found some very unnerving stuff: zeitgeist, gnome and unity pieces get installed. How come? Any way to not install those?08:14
baizonhi08:14
baizonLachezar: you can remove them08:15
baizonmaybe you got some application that is using this pkgs as dependencies08:15
Lachezarbaizon: last time I tried that on zeitgeist it asked me to remove half my system.08:15
baizonLachezar: try it now :)08:15
Lachezarbaizon: I'll have to upgrade first, in order to try and remove them, and I don't want any part of that OS-Sanctioned spyware on my machine.08:16
baizonLachezar: ? zeitgeist isnt spyware08:16
Lachezarbaizon: So any way to exclude those on upgrade? Like a no-no list?08:16
Lachezarbaizon: Yeah... Something that records everything you do is *not* spyware :)08:17
baizonLachezar: dont worry, just upgrade this pkgs too and after the upgrade remove them08:17
Lachezarbaizon: Any tools that can help in tracing dependencies? I'd like to remove preemptively whatever uses these packages. This is one reason I switched from Ubuntu to Xubuntu in the first place.08:18
baizon!info deborphan08:19
ubottudeborphan (source: deborphan): program that can find unused packages, e.g. libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.28.8 (raring), package size 101 kB, installed size 498 kB08:19
baizon!info GtkOrphan08:20
ubottuPackage GtkOrphan does not exist in raring08:20
baizon!info gtkorphan08:20
ubottugtkorphan (source: gtkorphan): A graphical tool to find and remove orphaned libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.4-1.1 (raring), package size 31 kB, installed size 273 kB08:20
baizonLachezar: you can try this apps08:20
baizonone gui, and the other one command line08:20
Lachezarbaizon: This might put a stick in my wheels: 'zeitgeist-core is installed as part of Ubuntu Software Center and UbuntuOne.'08:23
Lachezarbaizon: Weird... That's an year old claim...08:23
baizonLachezar: so remove them08:29
baizonand install Ubuntu Software Center again08:29
baizonand of course ubuntu one if youre using it08:29
Lachezarbaizon: it seems I can use apt preferences to disable certain packages... I'm gonna try that.08:33
ncdmrHi.  Using xubuntu raring, but can't get Shutter to respond to PrtScreen & Alt-PrtScreen.  Already removed the screenshot xfce bindings.  Anyone else have this issue?08:35
ncdmr(also had this behaviour on last release, but didn't need shutter that much at that time)08:35
baizonncdmr: http://shutter-project.org/faq-help/set-shutter-as-the-default-screenshot-tool/08:37
ncdmr ow crap. So much for googling on "shutter keyboard grab" :D08:38
* ncdmr blushes.08:38
ncdmrbaizon, right, that worked like a charm.  Was looking at the keyboard settings inside the shutter tool this whole time.08:39
baizon:)08:39
* ncdmr mutters something about strace and xev.08:40
GrandCouillonHello guys, I would like to totally disable the screensaver but it doesn't work (12.10 & 13.04). Any idea ?09:09
ntzrmtthihu777hopefully a simple question: I have 2 machines. both running x64 precise. one is xubuntu, other is server. I have shared internet thru ethernet to the server from xubuntu's wireless connection. what more do I need to do to set up shh into the server?09:10
maddernickscreensaver can be disabled in the screensaver dialog, however; energy saving might be what blacks out your screen?09:10
heoyeaneed to install openssh-server09:11
ntzrmtthihu777heoyea: on the server? I think I did that during setup; part of the install dialog09:11
heoyeayea09:11
ntzrmtthihu777heoyea: I was following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Configuring guide, I assume I need to set up my keys now?09:13
heoyeathen just connect to it; ssh username@192.168.1.XXX09:13
ntzrmtthihu777still a bit of a noob, exactly how do I determine xxx? I know its an ip, but I'm not sure how to determin the right one.09:14
heoyeago to ur server pc09:14
ntzrmtthihu777there.09:14
heoyeaand type in ifconfig09:14
ntzrmtthihu777thankya, I could not recal the counterpart to iwconfig.09:15
heoyeayea if ur on wireless then iwconfig09:15
ntzrmtthihu777ok, I got inet addr and bcast, which do I use?09:16
heoyeais usually 192.168.1.101 ; 102 ; 103 ..etc09:16
ntzrmtthihu777not in this case. I see 10.42.0.xxx09:17
heoyeayea that then09:17
heoyeaur in a company network?09:18
ntzrmtthihu777heoyea: you can think of it like that. I work for a homeless shelter and live there, and we have a network for staff usage.09:18
heoyeayea 10.xxx.xxx.xxx usually for those company types09:19
heoyea192.xxxxxx usually for home individual09:19
ntzrmtthihu777now I just needa get my publickey setup, I think. I get permission denied (publickey)09:19
heoyeanot sure never done public key09:20
heoyeathere should be guides online tho09:20
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, I'm the guide master XD. I just needed to know what to point it at.09:21
koegshttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH/OpenSSH/Keys09:24
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: already there.09:24
heoyeaso the homeless gets to use computers also?09:26
ntzrmtthihu777you'd be surprised how many have their own laptops/smartphones.09:26
heoyeausing linux also?09:27
ntzrmtthihu777heh, I've got a small linux missionary action going on, lol. I've converted quite a lot.09:27
heoyeao09:27
heoyeafree food and software09:28
ntzrmtthihu777but the direct answer to the above is no. We only have 2 company pc's here and they contain very sensitive info (we are also a temp agency), but we do have an open wifi network. if you have the means to get online, you are free to do so.09:28
GrandCouillonmaddernick, I've looked in the "energy saving" dialog and it seems you are right (even if I have to make tests). Thanks a lot !09:32
ntzrmtthihu777heoyea: thankya much, I just sshed into mah server :D09:58
LachezarRE. Upgraded to 13.04 avoiding unity and zeitgeist. Had to say goodbye to indicator-sound, since it indirectly depends on Unity. Will have to check for a XFCE plugin for volume, but no biggie: volume keys still work.10:18
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: heh, I got gedit without zeitgeist, and no broken packages :D10:26
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Manual install of .deb files?10:30
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: yep, customized .deb. special script to do it.10:35
brainwashgedit only depends on libzeitgeist, which won't pull the whole zeitgeist program10:39
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Oh. You fiddled with the package?10:39
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: yep.10:39
ntzrmtthihu777locate zeitgeist returns nothing on my system :P10:40
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: locate zeitgeist on my system returns a bunch of .mo (translation) files.10:40
ntzrmtthihu777brainwash: thing is gedit itself does not need libzeitgeist, just a plugin.10:40
LachezarAhm... Since virtualbox-ose has been removed which is the package for VirtualBox now?10:41
LachezarShould I just install virtualbox?10:41
* Lachezar is now going to send the /etc/apt/preferences.d/no-zeitgeist-and-unity file to his colleagues.10:43
brainwashhaving libzeitgeist on the system won't do any harm, or?10:44
ntzrmtthihu777no, I just don't like having crap I don't use on it.10:45
Lachezarbrainwash: I can not be sure of that... I suppose if there is no zeitgeist daemon running...10:47
Lachezarbrainwash: But doesn't libzeitgeist 'Recommend' zeitgeist? Won't it be installed automatically upon install/upgrade?10:48
knome--no-install-recommends10:48
ntzrmtthihu777now, current question. if I have a precise server set up and no windows machines, I don't need to use samba to share files from my server to the desktop, do I?10:48
koegsthen i would prefer nfs10:49
ntzrmtthihu777tutorial/link?10:49
koegswww.google.de :P10:49
koegsor .com10:49
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: bist du deutschlander?10:50
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Samba is also used by some TV Set Top Boxes.10:50
koegsntzrmtthihu777: nein, ich bin keine wurst, ich bin deutscher10:50
* elfy uses nfs10:50
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: no tvs either10:50
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: XD ich hab vergessen10:50
* Lachezar wonders if NFS can be used by users to share folders on the LAN for other users to explore? Like Samba replacement?10:52
Lachezarbrainwash: My bad. libzeitgeist0 has no dependency on the actual zeitgeist infrastructure/.10:53
ntzrmtthihu777now, is anyone aware of a way to copy files across ssh?10:54
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: scp?10:54
koegsntzrmtthihu777: scp or sshfs10:54
koegsor you might want to use filezilla, which can act as a scp-"client"10:54
ntzrmtthihu777all this scp talk is getting me nervious, don' wanna blink10:54
koegsLachezar: i prefer nfs over samba (and yes, the basic idea is "shared storage"10:55
Lachezarkoegs: Please save me the 'Google Time Waste' with any tutorial...10:56
koegswhat?10:56
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: why the nerve: 'scp thisfile remote_host:'10:56
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: scp is a kinda horror scifi wiki as well, and a video game, lol.10:57
Lachezarkoegs: Any tutorial/howto on how to use NFS as user-lever sharing platform?10:57
koegsnfs wiki ubuntu, go go go10:57
ntzrmtthihu777I think I may just use samba XD10:57
ntzrmtthihu777http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/how-to-turn-an-old-computer-into-a-file-sharing-server10:58
ntzrmtthihu777http://is.gd/TKWmKP10:58
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Are you considering Samba over SSH/SCP/SFTP?10:58
ntzrmtthihu777sorry for long link.10:58
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: yeah, I got a server setup with ssh, so I want to externally store my large collection of media and save space for actual work10:59
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Thanks a bunch… All I found were German pages…10:59
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: Ahhh... You need a file storage server... Open the Thunar file server and type: sftp://server/11:01
Lachezars/Thunar file server/Thunar file manager/11:01
ntzrmtthihu777Lachezar: host not known. I think I'll just follow this wiki.11:02
Lachezarntzrmtthihu777: I use the ~/.ssh/config to make shortcuts and configurations for the machines I use…11:03
ntzrmtthihu777heh.11:03
ntzrmtthihu777noob here, lol. just the basics XD11:04
* Lachezar nods at ntzrmtthihu77711:04
Lachezarkoegs: NFS looks like requiring a lot of root-jobs… SFTP/SCP or even nc require no root access, and are quite more user friendly.11:07
* Lachezar actually just found he can use SFTP:// URIs in Thunar...11:07
koegsLachezar: nfs is a complete transparant way of using remote file systems and permission, you can even have your home-folder on a nfs-server11:09
koegsand once understood, there a three tiny tasks to do with sudo and you are good to go11:09
koegsi am not saying samba/nfs/sftp is better than any other, there are just reasons to use on or another11:10
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: right tool for the right job, right?11:31
ntzrmtthihu777:D got it :D I can browse files on my server via thunar now :D11:34
Lachezarkoegs: Once upon a time I had serious problems with NFS being corrupted because of power failure (the Switch was without power). How does NFS fare with connectivity loss now?11:50
ntzrmtthihu777now I needa see if the bios supports autoreboot11:58
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AraneidaeIs there any way to trigger semi-intelligent placement of terminal windows when I pop them up?  Neither centre of screen or under mouse are particularly useful placements12:17
InokiAraneidae: you can use the terminal as a drop-down.12:18
Araneidae?12:18
InokiAraneidae: As a drop-down window appearing only at the top of the screen and only when you trigger it with a shortcut, let's say F12.12:18
AraneidaeReally I just want gnome style behaviour: find an halfway empty space and plonk it there12:19
InokiAraneidae: This is one very useful way of using the terminal: http://tinyw.in/J9sG12:19
Myrttitotally unrelated to almost anything, I realised today that it's semi-impossible to install Spotify for Linux in a sane way nowadays12:20
AraneidaeNo, I don't want drop-down -- my terminals are numerous and permanent12:20
Myrttisince it hardlinks to libssl0.9.8 or whatever, and I think latest versions of Ubuntu and Debian come with libssl1.0.012:21
LachezarAraneidae: Have you tried tinkering with the 'Minimum size to trigger smart placement:' bar?12:24
AraneidaeI wish it had some numbers.  Guess I need to try turning it *right* down.  One moment12:25
ntzrmtthihu777Araneidae: check out tilds, its nifty.12:25
AraneidaeHuh.  Hadn't turned down enough!12:25
ntzrmtthihu777*tilda12:25
Araneidaetilda?12:26
ntzrmtthihu777Araneidae: yeah. I've got 4 terminals hotkeyed to each quarter of my desktop12:26
AraneidaeWhat is tilda?  A program to install?12:26
ntzrmtthihu777yeah.12:26
laiteAraneidae: you can also launch terminals bit larger so it gets caught on wm placing algorithm (I have MiscDefaultGeometry=120x34 in terminalrc and it works :)12:26
ntzrmtthihu777Araneidae: http://imagebin.org/25693112:26
AraneidaeThis: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Tilda ?12:28
ntzrmtthihu777Araneidae: yes, but I suggest you find an Ubuntu tut, or better yet just play with it. its easy to learn and figure out.12:28
ntzrmtthihu777anyone info on playing music from a samba share with gmusicbrowser?12:36
koegsthat is why you actually mount a nfs or samba share instead of relying on gvfs and thunar :)12:49
ntzrmtthihu777hmm. tutorial about mounting, then?12:51
ntzrmtthihu777I can mount my smb://x.x.x.x/Music in ~/Music, no?12:52
koegsntzrmtthihu777: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently12:53
koegsi am feeling like a personal google frontend today :(12:53
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: this is a ubuntu system with ubuntu server, would that make a difference? I was just looking at this link in google, lol12:53
* ntzrmtthihu777 gives koegs a cookie12:54
koegsif you are concerned about security, you could also take a look at sshfs12:54
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: not particularly worried.12:56
koegsntzrmtthihu777: just thought about it, easy to use, secure (as samba and nfs are not encrypted)12:57
Myrttisshfs/sftp/scp is nice if you're interacting with devices outside your home network12:58
ntzrmtthihu777just me an my fileserver :P12:58
Myrttibut if it's strictly between devices in the home network, then they add noticeable amount of lag in encryption12:58
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, I just need something external to hold my ogg files, and such. I seem to have figured it out, mounted my samba onto ~/music just fine.12:59
MalsasaHello. I need help in wget. I wanna download a file from http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d. What is proper wget command? I have tried many but all fail. One of my command was wget -c -U "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.14) Gecko/20080404 Firefox/2.0.0.14" -H -O gimp.alldeb http://www1.datafilehost.com/get.php?file=12db399d.13:02
Myrttilooks like you're being helped in #ubuntu already13:03
koegswhy would you want to download gimp from a third party host O.o13:03
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: likely wants the one-window mode of the newer gimp13:03
koegsthen i would use a ppa13:04
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: like I did?13:04
koegsand also 2.8.4 with one-window-mode is available in the repo for 13.04, Malsasa13:04
koegsMalsasa: what do you need this file for and what is it actually?13:07
Malsasakoegs: no, no, I wanna make a mirror for my friend packages. He create an innovation for Ubuntu package management system.13:07
Malsasakoegs: I have GIMP preinstalled in my system. I just wanna ask about wget :)13:07
ntzrmtthihu777quite frankly the best innovation for apt-get is apt-fast. hella good.13:07
Malsasakoegs: yup, this file is GIMP packaged in his own format, .alldeb.13:07
ntzrmtthihu777:/ deb does not need a change, lol. you're reinventing the wheel here.13:08
Malsasantzrmtthihu777: maybe you will feel same with me if you life in Indonesia. Release all of your internet and you get it. My friend wanna help users in Indonesia, so wanna I support him :)13:10
ntzrmtthihu777Malsasa: don't you think a better and more overarching solution would be to work towards an internet infrastructure in indo. ?13:12
ntzrmtthihu777becuse ubuntu is not the end-all and be-all of internet usage. granted I want ubuntu to spread, but some will wish to use windows/mac/etc, and a change to ubuntu's package manager is not gonna help those folk.13:14
* ntzrmtthihu777 thinks assuming the man in charge does not turn into steve jobs :/13:14
koegsntzrmtthihu777: can you please try to keep the chatter in #xubuntu-offtopic, that would be very nice13:14
ntzrmtthihu777koegs: sure, np. and I now am playing my music from the samba share :D13:14
donnieI know nothing about tar.gz files. Need help extracting them please13:22
ntzrmtthihu777donnie: tar lxf foo.tar.gz, or use the filebrowser.13:23
ntzrmtthihu777donnie: holy crap, is that you?13:23
donnieDepends... who are you?13:24
ntzrmtthihu777corpus christi?13:24
donnieI vaugly remember... I've been gone about a month working with MS os's for a bit13:24
donnieAnd my spelling hasn't gotten any better13:25
ntzrmtthihu777donnie: nvm, couldn't be the donney I'm thinking of. M$ fanboi he is.13:26
donnieProbably not me then... :)13:26
GridCubedonnie, tar files can be open with file-roller13:27
ntzrmtthihu777yup.13:27
donnieWell I have that but don't I need to 'extract' them to somewhere/13:27
donnie?* shift key hates me13:27
ntzrmtthihu777I personally like using the terminal, as I usually had just wgotten them XD.13:27
ntzrmtthihu777donnie: right-click, extract here.13:27
GridCubedonnie, each tar file, if its a program, has a "README" file13:28
GridCubeguess what you have to do with it?13:28
donnieRead it :) I just found the readme13:28
GridCube(:13:28
yourfriendarmandsshfs works for me, and a wrapper script to mount and unmount makes things sweet14:45
xubuntu350Hello15:00
xubuntu350I am in the process of installing Xubuntu... Where do I go to encrypt the hard drive so that it asks for password when booting?15:01
elfypretty sure it asks that at the username stage15:01
koegsxubuntu350: during the partitioning dialog15:01
xubuntu350it only asks to encrypt the home folder but not entire drive15:01
koegsxubuntu350: which version do you install?15:02
xubuntu350partitioning dialog?? I am at the installation type now... 12.04.215:03
koegsxubuntu350: with 12.04 you have to use the alternate iso, from 12.10 on it is integrated in the normal cd15:03
xubuntu350Ok. so I need to download version 12.10 of Xubuntu15:04
koegsxubuntu350: or 13.04, which is the latest version15:04
koegsif you want 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support), you have to use the 12.04.2 alternate iso15:04
xubuntu350I have been looking at reviews and watching videos but none of them got to the where is asks about  encryption other than home folder.15:04
xubuntu350Looking for download now15:05
koegsxubuntu350: xubuntu.org :)15:05
xubuntu350Thank you for your help!15:05
ntzrmtthihu777question. if I have my fstab set up to automount my samba shares on boot it should not show up twice in thunar, no? just like my home partition only shows up as a folder, right?15:09
GridCubeknown bug15:09
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: @ me or another?15:10
GridCubeat you15:11
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: known, and fixable? *hopes*15:11
GridCubein 13.04 with the new thunar it should be fixed15:11
GridCubentzrmtthihu777, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/103937515:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu Raring) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Medium,Fix released]15:12
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: damn. I'm looking to stick with precise XD15:12
GridCubentzrmtthihu777, sorry mate15:13
ntzrmtthihu777XD it happens. perhaps there is a thunar dev ppa?15:15
bwat47ntzrmtthihu777, there is an xfce 4.10 ppa and an xfce 4.12 ppa that should have it i think15:15
bwat47ntzrmtthihu777, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12, yea its got the latest thunar 1.615:16
ntzrmtthihu777I think I have that version... I got tabbed browsing :D15:16
bwat47ntzrmtthihu777, yeah then u have the latest one already indeed15:17
bwat47ntzrmtthihu777, the tabbed browsing was only introduced in 1.615:17
GridCubei would do a bug report then, but im not sure it will be taken seriously becuase you are using a ppa15:18
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: true. I think its just because I have not booted with my new fstab settings yet.15:18
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ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: ok, just rebooted with the new fstab, still shows up twice in thunar. you had made mention of a ppa that solves this?15:54
GridCubesomeone did15:54
GridCube<bwat47> ntzrmtthihu777, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12, yea its got the latest thunar 1.615:54
ntzrmtthihu777damn, think I already have that...15:55
ntzrmtthihu777yep, got it.15:55
GridCubeppa can fail15:55
GridCubeor i dont know15:55
GridCubeyou should updgrade to 13.0415:55
GridCubemaybe its something else15:56
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: sorry, not desired.15:56
GridCuberead the bug report15:56
GridCubentzrmtthihu777, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/103937515:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1039375 in thunar (Ubuntu Raring) "Duplicate partitions shown" [Medium,Fix released]15:56
ntzrmtthihu777I'm just a lts kinda guy.15:56
GridCubeme too. but if something fails tehn its time to update15:56
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: not so much a failure as an annoyance.15:56
GridCubeyou could add to the bug report with your situation15:57
ntzrmtthihu777I'm not sure the bug report reflects my situation.16:00
ntzrmtthihu777http://imagebin.org/25695416:00
ntzrmtthihu777the stuff listed under Devices is on my samba server, but they are not duplicated per se.16:01
GridCubei dont see the problem16:02
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: for example: the Documents device is mounted to ~/Documents, but if I click the ~/Documents icon it switches to the Documents device. granted they are the same, its just a cosmetic issue.16:03
GridCubeyeah its a behaviour16:04
GridCubeit does that16:04
ntzrmtthihu777GridCube: what about the bind option?16:12
GridCubeno idea16:12
dahu57hello. can anybody help me to get gpu acceleration on nvidia ion ? xubuntu 13.0416:20
GridCubedahu57, have you installed the privative drivers?16:21
dahu57no, default drivers, I just installed xubuntu and didn't manipulate anything on graphic driver...16:22
GridCube:) ok then, first go to the ubuntu software center and look for the hardware tab16:23
DeepfriediceGridCube: I hate to contradict you, but isn't system -> Additional Drivers easier?16:25
GridCubein 12.04 sure, but jockey-gtk was deprecated after 12.10, now its concentrated on the USC16:25
elfyor in settings manager - software sources - addition drivers16:26
Deepfriedice...Huh16:26
ntzrmtthihu777Deepfriedice: what GridCube said. quantal and later no longer have jockey-gtk16:26
GridCubeoh, elfy might be right, im using 12.04 here so i dont have software sources on settings16:27
ntzrmtthihu777Yeah, I think elfy is exactly right. either way the additional drivers dialogue is no longer available passed precise.16:28
DeepfriediceSo, how do you set that up without USC then?16:29
ntzrmtthihu777Deepfriedice: do you not have Ubuntu Software Center? if that is the case you likely changed something you probly shouldn't have :P16:30
ochosiDeepfriedice: what elfy said doesn't involve USC i would think16:30
Deepfriedicentzrmtthihu777: It's okay, I'm useing Precise and am just curious.16:31
Deepfriediceochosi: fair enough.16:31
* drc cuts Deepfriedice some slack...drc has trouble keeping what everything is called in his head, especially since it keeps changing and he only has one computer and one distro/version installed :)16:35
ntzrmtthihu777hmm. ubuntu server has no answer for me yet. perhaps you folk know? I have precise x64 server installed on my fileserver, but dpgk --get-selections | grep linux-headers  showes linux-headers-generic-lts-quantal to be installed16:35
Deepfriedicentzrmtthihu777: I'll take a look at them.16:36
DeepfriediceThat don't seem to have any interesting dependants, what happens if you unselect it.16:38
ntzrmtthihu777heh, I should rather avoid scragging my fileserver. I'm just curious16:39
DeepfriediceI can't see any reason you'd want that package.16:39
Deepfriedicealso, why are you using dpkg to maintain your sever?16:40
ntzrmtthihu777Deepfriedice: not useing it to maintain, just the command I am familiar with to find what is and isnt installed.16:40
Deepfriediceokay16:40
ntzrmtthihu777using apt-fast, and sides which I'm not doing anything fancy with it. just a glorified external hard drive XD16:44
Deepfriedicentzrmtthihu777, Okay, what on earth is apt-fast?16:58
* ntzrmtthihu777 is debating on moving his dropbox instance to the server :P16:58
ntzrmtthihu777Deepfriedice: apt-fast = apt-get + aria2, basically an accelerated apt-get16:59
ntzrmtthihu777Deepfriedice: you should check it out, its now the very first thing I install on a fresh install. makes everthing else so much faster.17:08
DeepfriediceHmm, It looks interesting but a) I rarely use apt-get or aptitude directly and b) It sounds like another point of failure for not much gain17:09
Deepfriedicestill, I'll look into it.17:10
ntzrmtthihu777heh, I almost always use apt-get unless I'm "shopping"17:12
=== anonymous is now known as lelz
PeyamHi17:53
PeyamBought a mechanical keyboard17:53
Peyamand it works nicely17:53
Peyamrecommend everyone to buy a mechanical keyboard and enjoy17:54
fatpudding+117:54
Peyam;)17:58
DeepfriediceDammit I just left /g/17:58
* [0gb_us] isn't sure what a mechanical keyboard even is17:59
Peyamwhy?17:59
TheSheep[0gb_us]: a keyboard that has mechanical switches under the keys, as opposed to simple membrane or contacts17:59
drcMaybe one of the old IBM "clickety-click" keyboards?17:59
TheSheepalso, this should go to #xubuntu-offtopic18:00
Peyamgood! bye it looks old when I got it so I m gona send it back and get a new one18:00
TheSheepPeyam: please go to #xubuntu-offtopic if you want to talk about that18:01
[0gb_us]Oh, okay. THanks!18:01
Peyamno Im finished18:01
lelzi dont know how to install this program. could one of you help me out? im new to xfce+ubuntu+gnu+linux http://i.imgur.com/R4qDeuK.png18:24
[0gb_us]That's a directory ....18:25
mopperslelz, right click 'installl me', set it to executable, then double left click it18:25
lelzi can right click and then click execute18:27
lelzbut nothing happens18:27
holsteinwhat i did was ran that from the terminal.. the INSTALL-ME.sh ..i had error output18:27
moppersneed to double left click after you make it executable18:27
holsteinlelz: if you run it from the terminal, you'll see the error output18:27
lelzhow do you make it executable? sorry, im new18:27
yourfriendarmandchmod +x script18:28
yourfriendarmandrun it: $ ./script.sh18:28
yourfriendarmandthe ./ tripped me up at first when I first started18:28
holsteinyourfriendarmand: it works for you?18:29
* holstein is on 12.04, and i get a few errors... no joy18:30
yourfriendarmandoh no, I have no idea what you're installing, just helpful hints for general use18:30
nukkethe errors are probably that you're lacking dependencies18:30
nukketry looking at the website and seeing what dependencies are required18:31
nukkefor example, if it's a music player app, you might be missing the library that lets you read the tags off the files18:31
holsteini dont think so.. http://paste.ubuntu.com/5645503/18:31
yourfriendarmandI know when I would install the virtual box guest adds for linux, occasionally a: $ sh script.sh18:31
holsteinlooks like errors in the code to me18:31
holsteinthats why i suggest sharing the error output with the developer18:32
nukkeah, ok. try running $ ./makefile first18:32
holsteinnukke: looking at Makefile, i bet that is the issue18:34
rickbi officially love you guys for not using a pae-kernel in 12.0418:35
holsteinnukke: looks like it needs to make a database18:35
nukkemakefile is supposed to configure the install for your machine18:35
nukkewhat error is it displaying?18:35
holsteinlelz: im not interested in personally polluting my box with that package right now.. but that looks like the way to do it18:35
holsteinrunning makefile, then the installer18:35
rickbi was able to flash an ancient tablet over vnc using a flash drive as a hard drive and lots and lots of patience. any idea how to get a touch screen to work on Xubuntu :)18:36
lelzim sorry. i dont know what makefile is18:36
rickblelz: when you type make it looks for the makefile to do stuff18:36
nukkealright lelz, what you need to do, is open up your terminal18:36
holsteinlelz: thats why i still sugggest you *not* install this application.. i suggest you use something from the default repos18:36
holsteinotherwise, it will be up to the developer to ideally let you know how you are to install the application18:37
nukkelelz: have you made sure this app isn't in the Ubuntu Software Center?18:37
holsteinif nukke wants to walk you through it, i would trust that, lelz18:37
lelzi have18:37
holsteinnukke: i dont see it in the repos18:37
yourfriendarmandwhat's the app in question?18:38
lelzyourfriendarmand: pythonol18:38
holsteinyourfriendarmand: pythonol.. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pythonol/18:38
nukkelelz: i can guide you through the installation, but if you want to learn a language, i'd recommend you use other resources.18:41
lelzi have other resources but i as just looking for a program on linux18:42
nukkethere are several website that are more dynamic than that, which can really help you, instead of the more static approach by (most) language-learning software18:42
nukkealright, as i said, i can  help you out18:42
lelzthanks18:43
nukkefirst, find the place were you extracted the tarball. i'm guessing it's going to be something like ~/Downloads/Pythonol-2.118:44
nukkeopen up the terminal by going to App menu > Accessories > Terminal emulator18:44
Sekoiahi, is there a known issue with the power system on xubuntu? my battery lasts only 2 hours :/18:45
lelzive done both of those18:45
nukkeSekoia: make sure you've installed the drivers for your graphics card18:45
nukkelelz: alright. type in "cd ~/Downloads/Pythonol-2.1" in your terminal without the quotes, and with the correct path to the folder18:46
yourfriendarmandIn this page: http://www.phrozensmoke.com/mainsite.php?template=/projects/pythonol : States the software is unmaintained and +7 years old18:47
Sekoiathanks nukke, Im gonna check it18:47
nukkehmm, you're right. the sourceforce page says that it was updated a month or two ago, but the files themselves haven't been touched since 200418:48
yourfriendarmandThe way I keep Spanish technical lingo fresh in my head is with the locale settings18:48
yourfriendarmandIt's nice having that freedom without requiring an ultimate edition of some other os18:49
lelzmaybe its not even worth downloading then. what do you think?18:49
nukkethat could definitely work, yeah. something like Duolingo is nice, too18:49
lelzi have duolingo, rosetta stone, an iOS app, and some textbooks18:50
nukkeyeah, don't bother with that app. it most likely relies on outdated/deprecated libraries. how did you find it, anyway?18:50
yourfriendarmandinstall some text to speech apps for starters, throw some phrases at it18:50
nukkeoh man, that should be more than enough resources to learn it. especially something as studied and common as spanish18:51
lelzi search on startpage for "best learn spanish programs linux" and clicked around18:51
lelzyeah i wont mess with it then18:51
lelzthanks for the help though guys18:51
nukkeno problem. if you have any more questions, don't hesitate coming here :)18:52
yourfriendarmandunless you want to bring the code up to date, python3-ify-it18:52
lelz2much work4me18:52
yourfriendarmandyoutubes and even a set top box player channels that teach language by real language speakers18:53
lelzi know an argentinian girl too18:53
ntzrmtthihu777lelz: check out busuu. its a languauge learning social network site, pretty good for japanese, should be fine for spanish. chat with native speakers, text and voice18:53
yourfriendarmandthere you go, ask her for some Spanish, and some empanadas18:54
lelzunfortunately, what she thinks sounds good is a weird accent to the more mexican speakers near where i live18:54
lelzlel18:54
lelz<ntzrmtthihu777> ill check it out18:54
ntzrmtthihu777lelz: save yourself some time, just type ntz then tab18:55
drclelz: Argentine spanish has a sort of Italian accent :)18:55
nukkewell, coming from someone who speaks spanish, the accent is the least of your worries. in fact, broken spanish is fine, too. just learn how to structure the sentences18:55
ntzrmtthihu777grammar > accents18:55
nukkeprecisely18:55
yourfriendarmandgood luck, interesting dig though with pythonol. Argentinians are a little more adept to traditional spanish than, say, Mex Spanish18:55
nukkelearn the numbers and "taco" and you're set18:56
drcand getting off topic :)18:56
ntzrmtthihu777+ mas cervesa18:56
nukkeoh man, i'm checking out busuu and they have lots of cool languages, but no swedish. i've been meaning to find a site that has swedish18:57
yourfriendarmandand try the locale settings in buntu if you dare, maybe even a set of man pages in Spanish18:57
ntzrmtthihu777yeah, busuu is pretty good. I polished my japanese there.18:57
lelzsaying things like, "y sho soy parte de todos" & "las cashes peligran" make people think you dont know what youre saying18:57
yourfriendarmandI learned a lot of terminology most Spanish-born folks don't know18:57
elfycan you take the chat about learning language to -offtopic please18:57
lelznp18:58
elfyta :)18:58
lelzin fact, is there a language learning room?18:58
yourfriendarmand< tried to relate it back to *buntu18:58
ntzrmtthihu777elfy: you an englander?18:58
lelz<noticed and commends you18:58
* lelz claps.18:58
elfyyep18:59
ntzrmtthihu777elfy: 's what I thought. ta is like thankyou, right?19:00
elfy:)19:00
lelzthanks to whoever recommended busuu. it seems solid. also, uhh update your kernel and stuff19:09
ntzrmtthihu777lelz: twas me, and my kernel is good, thank you for the concernt :D19:11
lelz;)19:11
lelzi have one for you guys, my volume in xubuntu goes  wayyy too quiet after the volume is about 70%  turned down and then it gets really loud19:14
lelzerrr 30% turned down19:14
lelzit seems like the scale of volume is messed up, if that makes sense19:15
drclelz: Take a look at apps menu>MutliMedia>pulse audio>Playback and Output devices.19:17
yourfriendarmandcat /etc/pulse/daemon.conf |grep -i vol19:18
yourfriendarmandwould the volume stepping options help?19:18
drcmake sure Playback is ~100%19:18
yourfriendarmandmine is left alone at default: flat-volumes = no19:18
lelzit just seems like its very quiet and then a few clicks higher is BAM LOUD19:20
lelzplayback is at 100%19:20
yourfriendarmandon any device? headphones, amp19:20
lelzbuilt in laptop speakers19:21
yourfriendarmandtry some earbuds you know work with something else19:21
yourfriendarmanddon't put them to your ears though19:21
lelzits the same19:23
lelzit takes five clicks down to become completely unable to be heard19:23
lelzi have five volume settings, basically19:24
yourfriendarmandReminds me of the odd toshiba laptop that had a volume pot. on the side. As we know how those fare as the elements interact with them19:25
lelzim dualbooting windows on this and i dont have that problem19:27
yourfriendarmandI would start out with an $ lspci && lspci -n , to see the model, make, pci ID of the sound chip. Then peruse alsa/pulse resources. Perhaps there's a modprobe setting to append to the driver to correct the volume upon load into kernel19:30
ntzrmtthihu777question: can an ip address change after a reboot?20:38
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: sure, depends on how it is given20:40
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: if you get it from a DHCP server, then the server can give a different address every time20:40
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: well I had just set up ubuntu server on an older tower, and after a server reboot I can't ssh in again. any way you know of to diagnose it? I currently do not have a monitor to check with.20:41
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: how is it connected to the network?20:41
ntzrmtthihu777both this machine and the server are connected via an ethernet cable, and this one is connected via wifi.20:42
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: you could check on your router what IP it got20:42
ntzrmtthihu777the wifi is shared thru to the server via the cable.20:42
Peyamntzrmtthihu777: what is the issue?20:42
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: well, then just check the logs on your machine20:42
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: where?20:42
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: /var/log20:43
ntzrmtthihu777Peyam: cannot ssh into my server after reboot.20:43
Peyamhmm20:43
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: there will be something for the dhcp server, or just check in the syslog20:43
yourfriendarmandcan you ping it by hostname? avahi allows you to ping hostname.local20:43
ntzrmtthihu777yourfriendarmand: don't understand your drift here, lol.20:45
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: yeah, I see this in the log. but how am I to know the ip of the server from what is going on desktop side?20:46
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: well, it should say something about rreceiving a dhcp request and responding with an IP20:47
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: that's the ip it got20:47
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: ahh, seeing what you're talking about. thing is it says the same ip as I'm trying to ssh into20:49
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: then maybe the ssh server didn't start?20:52
ntzrmtthihu777maybe. sudo service sshd start?20:53
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: but you need to do that on the server...20:53
TheSheepntzrmtthihu777: you can use nmap to see what ports are open on it..20:53
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: yes, I get that. I have the keyboard right here, just will have to type blinde XD20:53
ntzrmtthihu777TheSheep: port 22 is open according to nmap20:53
TheSheepwhat is the error you are getting exactly?20:54
ntzrmtthihu777ssh: connect to host x.x.x.x port 22: No route to host20:55
TheSheepthat looks like your wifi sharing is wrong somehow20:55
TheSheeplike you are missing a route?20:56
ntzrmtthihu777well it was *just* working, lol. did an update && upgrade on the server via ssh20:56
edinhohelp in portuguese plsssss21:37
knome!pt | edinho21:37
ubottuedinho: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigada.21:37
edinho_thks21:38
edinho_hi ppl someone help in portuguese preferencial?!21:57
nukkei can help in spanish21:59
edinho_i need help for my connection wireless, i detect the wire, insert the password, but it doesn't connect, show me everytime the popup for insert password...21:59
edinho_*i detect the network22:01
edinho_i runned commands22:02
edinho_ sudo lshw -C networki22:03
edinho_that tells me wireless card the logic name is eth1 and ethernet interface the logic name is eth022:05
edinho_wireless card should be wlan0 correct?22:06
edinho_nuke: help me pls22:06
edinho_nukke: help me pls22:06
knome!patience | edinho_22:07
ubottuedinho_: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com/ or http://ubuntuforums.org/ or http://askubuntu.com/22:07
edinho_:(22:11
koegsdepending on the driver even a wifi card is not named wlan0 buth ethX22:12
yourfriendarmandedinho, can you perform an lspci at a terminal shell? find out what the wireless chipset is. It may be categorized as Network Controller or "controlador de rede" if it's in portugeis22:18
yourfriendarmandI know on older broadcom chipsets, network manager settings  would detect networks, but would fail associating. After downloading the firmware for the card, it was able to successfully connect22:19
carreraGreetings!  :)22:41
carreraI installed xubuntu 13.04 about a week ago and I love it!  However, I thought it came without zeitgeist. Any suggestions on how I can get rid of it without ruining the rest of my system?22:45
yourfriendarmandlook at ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1773497 to remove zeitgeist any lingering configs22:47
carrerayourfriendarmand, thanks u sir!  :)22:48
yourfriendarmandyou're welcome, I'm probably going to remove it too, save some resources22:48
brainwashcarrera, the new version of catfish (search tool) depends on zeitgeist, delete it if you don't use it or rebuild the package or whatever :)22:49
brainwashcatfish should actually run without zeitgeist22:49
carrerayourfriendarmand, zeitgeist and Unity are the reasons I decided to move away from Ubuntu22:49
yourfriendarmandAnother article I found on google search shows the information it collects isn't transmitted22:50
yourfriendarmandultimately I would prefer a doc indexer22:50
carrerabrainwash, I didn't even know of catfish until now!  is it just a fancy find?22:50
brainwashcarrera, actually a nice gui tool22:51
carrerabrainwash, oh, ok. it looks a lot like the dictionary22:51
carrerabrainwash, second rightmost icon in the bottom pop up menu22:52
carrerawhat's the bottom pop up panel called btw?22:52
nukkethe dock at the bottom?22:52
carreranukke, dock?22:53
nukkego to Menu > Settings Manager > Panel > Panel 122:53
nukkethe one at the bottom of your screen, correct? with the apps22:53
xubuntu200guys when i am going to software center it insists to update to ubuntu 13xx but it doesnt allo me to search for applications any more22:53
xubuntu200wtf?22:53
carreranukke, correct sir!22:53
nukkeyeah, think of it as the dock in Mac OSX. quick shortcuts for your apps22:54
carreracatfish is fast!22:54
nukkein Xubuntu it's called a panel, but it's commonly referred as application dock22:54
brainwashcarrera, powered by zeitgeist :P22:54
carreraI just searched for GTS and it brought up all the folders and files that had GTS in the name in a blink22:55
nukkexubuntu200: what version of Xubuntu are you using?22:56
carrerabrainwash, yeah, but I guess how much slower it would be if it had to search my 2  480 GB SSDs with Sandforce 2281 controller in  RAID 0?22:57
xubuntu200nukke i am using xubuntu 12.1022:59
xubuntu200so i have to upgrade to 13xx even if i dont want yet?22:59
xubuntu200for to be able to use software manager?22:59
xubuntu200?23:07
xubuntu200anyone know23:07
xubuntu200?23:07
knomexubuntu200, you are given the possibility yo upgrade to 14.04 when it's out, or you can upgrade via 13.04 and 13.1023:08
xubuntu200what you mean?23:09
xubuntu20014.04?23:09
xubuntu200is out or?23:09
knomeno.23:09
bekksxubuntu200: In April 2014 14.04 will be released.23:09
knome14.04 will be out on april 2014, it is the next LTS release23:09
knomeapart from the usual upgrade paths, you are also given the possibility to upgrade from 12.10 to 14.04 directly.23:10
xubuntu200yes but can i now?23:11
xubuntu200you talking about bet?23:11
xubuntu200beta?23:11
bekksNo. In April 2014 you can.23:11
xubuntu200oh okie23:11
xubuntu200upgrading to 13.1023:11
xubuntu200i will loose settings?23:11
xubuntu200of my programs?23:11
xubuntu200applications23:11
knomethere is no 13.10 out yet.23:11
xubuntu200oh ok when will be anyway :P23:12
knomewhen you upgrade, you shouldn't lose settings, but we highly suggest you to take backups23:12
knomeyou can't upgrade from 12.10 to 13.10.23:12
xubuntu200why?23:13
bekksBecause thats not supported.23:14
knomeyou are only able to upgrade a normal release to a next normal release23:14
knome(except now you're also able to upgrade 12.10->14.04, because there was some changes to the support windows for normal releases)23:15
knomebut if you eventually want to be on 13.10, you will have to upgrade to 13.04, then 13.10; or alternatively, do a fresh install for 13.1023:15
xubuntu200oh interesting! thank you so much for these information since i am newbie....so you suggest me to upgrade to 13.04?i heard that there are alot problems and bugs23:16
knomethere are always bugs in software, no matter what version you're talking about.23:16
xubuntu200okie maybe i consider then a upgrade23:17
xubuntu200by the way what is the best pdf viewer?23:18
xubuntu200for xubuntu?23:18
xubuntu200i am using the default23:18
knome!best23:18
ubottuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors.23:18
xubuntu200but i was thinking if it is something more special that is good23:18
knomeif evince (the default viewer) is fine for you, then use that23:18
xubuntu200okie...and my last problem for today :P i am trying to add greek to my keybaord23:19
xubuntu200but i cant23:19
xubuntu200i mean i opened i bus and23:19
xubuntu200when i am going preferences input method23:19
xubuntu200it have only chinese to add lol23:19

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